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Bad Science - Isolating and Purifying
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Tisra Til
2021-07-20 22:57:24 UTC
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“As for viruses, when viewed under an electron microscope they appear as tiny blobs in and around cells. But no virus has ever been isolated from the body, purified of all contaminants and cell debris, and then shown – in properly controlled experiments – to cause disease in a cell, animal or human (Lanka, 2015, 2020; Roberts 2009, 2010; Engelbrecht et al., 2021; theinfectiousmyth.com).

“The proper method for isolating a virus is as follows: take fluid from a patient, filter it (to remove anything the size of bacteria), spin it in a density-gradient centrifuge so that the constituents separate into different density bands, and extract the purified virus particles with a pipette; they can then be genetically and biochemically characterized. This method has been used to isolate bacteriophages (‘bacteria eaters’) and ‘giant viruses’ (these types of spores are wrongly assumed to attack bacteria and other unicellular organisms such as algae, but actually help them by sharing their own genetic material with them), and also exosomes (produced by our own cellular defence mechanisms; see below). But this method has never been applied to alleged pathogenic viruses. Instead, virologists take diseased fluid that is assumed to contain the virus, along with all manner of other particles and contaminants, and then either add it to a culture of human or monkey cells which has been starved of nutrients and poisoned with antibiotics and other chemicals, or administer it in an unnatural manner (e.g. via the brain) to laboratory animals such as mice or monkeys. If some of the cells become unhealthy or die, or if the lab animals show any ill effects, the virus is assumed to be responsible – and is then said to have been ‘isolated’ and proven to be infectious!

Consider the CDC-approved procedure for ‘isolating’ the measles virus for use in vaccines (cdc.gov; Hanley, 2018, pp. 28-30). Wash monkey kidney cells with trypsin, a digestive enzyme taken from a pig’s pancreas, which will begin to dissolve the cells. Add the kidney cells to a cell culture containing antibiotics (poisons), and then add fetal bovine serum (a growth supplement). Next add a urine, mucus or saliva sample from a measles patient (assumed to contain the measles virus). If the cells start showing signs of damage, this is blamed on the virus. Add more trypsin until at least half the cells look sick and distorted. Scrape the cells off the top and use as a measles-virus stock for making vaccines. At no point is the measles virus actually detected, purified and photographed with an electron microscope. No control experiment is conducted in which the cell culture is treated in the same way but without the human sample (and alleged virus). No telltale signs of measles are observed: the damaged cells are monkey kidney cells, whereas measles manifests on the skin. No attempt is made to identify and remove other organisms or contaminants mixed in with the pig trypsin, monkey kidney cells or calf fetus blood that may end up in the vaccine.

Stefan Lanka (2020, pt. 1) commissioned an independent laboratory to carry out the sort of control experiments that virologists never perform. The result was that the tissues and cells in the cell culture die regardless of whether material from a patient allegedly ‘infected’ with the measles virus is added, because during the laboratory procedure the cells are poisoned with antibiotics and deprived of nutrients (so that they will more easily absorb the alleged viruses). The death of tissue and cells in a test tube has been regarded as proof for the existence of a virus since June 1954, when John Enders published a speculative paper on his experiments with the measles virus, which included no control experiment. Enders admitted in the paper that his findings were not conclusive, but he received the Nobel Prize for Medicine later that year, and his unscientific cell culture technique became unquestioned scientific dogma.”

https://www.davidpratt.info/ozone.htm

“Cells that come under threat from chemical poisons, poor nourishment or electromagnetic smog are known to produce particles called exosomes as a defence mechanism, possibly as a way of warning other cells of the danger, or of instructing them how to respond to the trauma, or in some cases to devour and clean up toxins. Exosomes are one of several types of extracellular vesicles (EVs), which mediate intracellular communication by transporting lipids, proteins or nucleic acids to target cells. Because proteins associated with viruses have been detected in some EVs, mainstream scientists have jumped to the conclusion that viruses are ‘hijacking’ EVs in an effort to cause ‘infection’ (Giannessi et al., 2020). Exosomes are often indistinguishable from viruses, and it is questionable whether any such particle is a virus in the literal sense of the word (i.e. ‘poison’) (Cowan & Morell, 2020, ch. 6; Roberts, 2009). However, in so far as viruses are debris from disintegrated cells, they could contribute to ill health if they accumulate faster than the body can eliminate them (Baker, 2005), or if the bodily environment causes them to evolve into more complex, toxigenic forms (Young, 2016a). Cells that are sick and start to malfunction sometimes produce so many ‘viruses’ that they eventually burst apart, following which immune cells clean up the debris. Cells may produce a multitude of ‘viruses’ with slightly different genetic codes, making it look like the viruses are ‘deliberately’ mutating.“
Etznab
2021-07-21 01:12:30 UTC
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Post by Tisra Til
“As for viruses, when viewed under an electron microscope they appear as tiny blobs in and around cells. But no virus has ever been isolated from the body, purified of all contaminants and cell debris, and then shown – in properly controlled experiments – to cause disease in a cell, animal or human (Lanka, 2015, 2020; Roberts 2009, 2010; Engelbrecht et al., 2021; theinfectiousmyth.com).
“The proper method for isolating a virus is as follows: take fluid from a patient, filter it (to remove anything the size of bacteria), spin it in a density-gradient centrifuge so that the constituents separate into different density bands, and extract the purified virus particles with a pipette; they can then be genetically and biochemically characterized. This method has been used to isolate bacteriophages (‘bacteria eaters’) and ‘giant viruses’ (these types of spores are wrongly assumed to attack bacteria and other unicellular organisms such as algae, but actually help them by sharing their own genetic material with them), and also exosomes (produced by our own cellular defence mechanisms; see below). But this method has never been applied to alleged pathogenic viruses. Instead, virologists take diseased fluid that is assumed to contain the virus, along with all manner of other particles and contaminants, and then either add it to a culture of human or monkey cells which has been starved of nutrients and poisoned with antibiotics and other chemicals, or administer it in an unnatural manner (e.g. via the brain) to laboratory animals such as mice or monkeys. If some of the cells become unhealthy or die, or if the lab animals show any ill effects, the virus is assumed to be responsible – and is then said to have been ‘isolated’ and proven to be infectious!
Consider the CDC-approved procedure for ‘isolating’ the measles virus for use in vaccines (cdc.gov; Hanley, 2018, pp. 28-30). Wash monkey kidney cells with trypsin, a digestive enzyme taken from a pig’s pancreas, which will begin to dissolve the cells. Add the kidney cells to a cell culture containing antibiotics (poisons), and then add fetal bovine serum (a growth supplement). Next add a urine, mucus or saliva sample from a measles patient (assumed to contain the measles virus). If the cells start showing signs of damage, this is blamed on the virus. Add more trypsin until at least half the cells look sick and distorted. Scrape the cells off the top and use as a measles-virus stock for making vaccines. At no point is the measles virus actually detected, purified and photographed with an electron microscope. No control experiment is conducted in which the cell culture is treated in the same way but without the human sample (and alleged virus). No telltale signs of measles are observed: the damaged cells are monkey kidney cells, whereas measles manifests on the skin. No attempt is made to identify and remove other organisms or contaminants mixed in with the pig trypsin, monkey kidney cells or calf fetus blood that may end up in the vaccine.
Stefan Lanka (2020, pt. 1) commissioned an independent laboratory to carry out the sort of control experiments that virologists never perform. The result was that the tissues and cells in the cell culture die regardless of whether material from a patient allegedly ‘infected’ with the measles virus is added, because during the laboratory procedure the cells are poisoned with antibiotics and deprived of nutrients (so that they will more easily absorb the alleged viruses). The death of tissue and cells in a test tube has been regarded as proof for the existence of a virus since June 1954, when John Enders published a speculative paper on his experiments with the measles virus, which included no control experiment. Enders admitted in the paper that his findings were not conclusive, but he received the Nobel Prize for Medicine later that year, and his unscientific cell culture technique became unquestioned scientific dogma.”
https://www.davidpratt.info/ozone.htm
“Cells that come under threat from chemical poisons, poor nourishment or electromagnetic smog are known to produce particles called exosomes as a defence mechanism, possibly as a way of warning other cells of the danger, or of instructing them how to respond to the trauma, or in some cases to devour and clean up toxins. Exosomes are one of several types of extracellular vesicles (EVs), which mediate intracellular communication by transporting lipids, proteins or nucleic acids to target cells. Because proteins associated with viruses have been detected in some EVs, mainstream scientists have jumped to the conclusion that viruses are ‘hijacking’ EVs in an effort to cause ‘infection’ (Giannessi et al., 2020). Exosomes are often indistinguishable from viruses, and it is questionable whether any such particle is a virus in the literal sense of the word (i.e. ‘poison’) (Cowan & Morell, 2020, ch. 6; Roberts, 2009). However, in so far as viruses are debris from disintegrated cells, they could contribute to ill health if they accumulate faster than the body can eliminate them (Baker, 2005), or if the bodily environment causes them to evolve into more complex, toxigenic forms (Young, 2016a). Cells that are sick and start to malfunction sometimes produce so many ‘viruses’ that they eventually burst apart, following which immune cells clean up the debris. Cells may produce a multitude of ‘viruses’ with slightly different genetic codes, making it look like the viruses are ‘deliberately’ mutating.“
I've heard this kind of thing before. Sounds interesting, but how to verify the truth of it?

All those other viruses we got vaccinations for in school? Evidently they took weakened form of THE VIRUS and shot them into us to spark immunity.
Tisra Til
2021-07-21 21:09:17 UTC
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“As for viruses, when viewed under an electron microscope they appear as tiny blobs in and around cells. But no virus has ever been isolated from the body, purified of all contaminants and cell debris, and then shown – in properly controlled experiments – to cause disease in a cell, animal or human (Lanka, 2015, 2020; Roberts 2009, 2010; Engelbrecht et al., 2021; theinfectiousmyth.com).
“The proper method for isolating a virus is as follows: take fluid from a patient, filter it (to remove anything the size of bacteria), spin it in a density-gradient centrifuge so that the constituents separate into different density bands, and extract the purified virus particles with a pipette; they can then be genetically and biochemically characterized. This method has been used to isolate bacteriophages (‘bacteria eaters’) and ‘giant viruses’ (these types of spores are wrongly assumed to attack bacteria and other unicellular organisms such as algae, but actually help them by sharing their own genetic material with them), and also exosomes (produced by our own cellular defence mechanisms; see below). But this method has never been applied to alleged pathogenic viruses. Instead, virologists take diseased fluid that is assumed to contain the virus, along with all manner of other particles and contaminants, and then either add it to a culture of human or monkey cells which has been starved of nutrients and poisoned with antibiotics and other chemicals, or administer it in an unnatural manner (e.g. via the brain) to laboratory animals such as mice or monkeys. If some of the cells become unhealthy or die, or if the lab animals show any ill effects, the virus is assumed to be responsible – and is then said to have been ‘isolated’ and proven to be infectious!
Consider the CDC-approved procedure for ‘isolating’ the measles virus for use in vaccines (cdc.gov; Hanley, 2018, pp. 28-30). Wash monkey kidney cells with trypsin, a digestive enzyme taken from a pig’s pancreas, which will begin to dissolve the cells. Add the kidney cells to a cell culture containing antibiotics (poisons), and then add fetal bovine serum (a growth supplement). Next add a urine, mucus or saliva sample from a measles patient (assumed to contain the measles virus). If the cells start showing signs of damage, this is blamed on the virus. Add more trypsin until at least half the cells look sick and distorted. Scrape the cells off the top and use as a measles-virus stock for making vaccines. At no point is the measles virus actually detected, purified and photographed with an electron microscope. No control experiment is conducted in which the cell culture is treated in the same way but without the human sample (and alleged virus). No telltale signs of measles are observed: the damaged cells are monkey kidney cells, whereas measles manifests on the skin. No attempt is made to identify and remove other organisms or contaminants mixed in with the pig trypsin, monkey kidney cells or calf fetus blood that may end up in the vaccine.
Stefan Lanka (2020, pt. 1) commissioned an independent laboratory to carry out the sort of control experiments that virologists never perform. The result was that the tissues and cells in the cell culture die regardless of whether material from a patient allegedly ‘infected’ with the measles virus is added, because during the laboratory procedure the cells are poisoned with antibiotics and deprived of nutrients (so that they will more easily absorb the alleged viruses). The death of tissue and cells in a test tube has been regarded as proof for the existence of a virus since June 1954, when John Enders published a speculative paper on his experiments with the measles virus, which included no control experiment. Enders admitted in the paper that his findings were not conclusive, but he received the Nobel Prize for Medicine later that year, and his unscientific cell culture technique became unquestioned scientific dogma.”
https://www.davidpratt.info/ozone.htm
“Cells that come under threat from chemical poisons, poor nourishment or electromagnetic smog are known to produce particles called exosomes as a defence mechanism, possibly as a way of warning other cells of the danger, or of instructing them how to respond to the trauma, or in some cases to devour and clean up toxins. Exosomes are one of several types of extracellular vesicles (EVs), which mediate intracellular communication by transporting lipids, proteins or nucleic acids to target cells. Because proteins associated with viruses have been detected in some EVs, mainstream scientists have jumped to the conclusion that viruses are ‘hijacking’ EVs in an effort to cause ‘infection’ (Giannessi et al., 2020). Exosomes are often indistinguishable from viruses, and it is questionable whether any such particle is a virus in the literal sense of the word (i.e. ‘poison’) (Cowan & Morell, 2020, ch. 6; Roberts, 2009). However, in so far as viruses are debris from disintegrated cells, they could contribute to ill health if they accumulate faster than the body can eliminate them (Baker, 2005), or if the bodily environment causes them to evolve into more complex, toxigenic forms (Young, 2016a). Cells that are sick and start to malfunction sometimes produce so many ‘viruses’ that they eventually burst apart, following which immune cells clean up the debris. Cells may produce a multitude of ‘viruses’ with slightly different genetic codes, making it look like the viruses are ‘deliberately’ mutating.“
I've heard this kind of thing before. Sounds interesting, but how to verify the truth of it?
All those other viruses we got vaccinations for in school? Evidently they took weakened form of THE VIRUS and shot them into us to spark immunity.
Fact is most of the vaccines came out AFTER most of the childhood disease mortality was virtually down to zero in the industrialized countries. Epidemiology studies show this.
Henosis Sage
2021-07-22 00:26:26 UTC
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“As for viruses, when viewed under an electron microscope they appear as tiny blobs in and around cells. But no virus has ever been isolated from the body, purified of all contaminants and cell debris, and then shown – in properly controlled experiments – to cause disease in a cell, animal or human (Lanka, 2015, 2020; Roberts 2009, 2010; Engelbrecht et al., 2021; theinfectiousmyth.com).
“The proper method for isolating a virus is as follows: take fluid from a patient, filter it (to remove anything the size of bacteria), spin it in a density-gradient centrifuge so that the constituents separate into different density bands, and extract the purified virus particles with a pipette; they can then be genetically and biochemically characterized. This method has been used to isolate bacteriophages (‘bacteria eaters’) and ‘giant viruses’ (these types of spores are wrongly assumed to attack bacteria and other unicellular organisms such as algae, but actually help them by sharing their own genetic material with them), and also exosomes (produced by our own cellular defence mechanisms; see below). But this method has never been applied to alleged pathogenic viruses. Instead, virologists take diseased fluid that is assumed to contain the virus, along with all manner of other particles and contaminants, and then either add it to a culture of human or monkey cells which has been starved of nutrients and poisoned with antibiotics and other chemicals, or administer it in an unnatural manner (e.g. via the brain) to laboratory animals such as mice or monkeys. If some of the cells become unhealthy or die, or if the lab animals show any ill effects, the virus is assumed to be responsible – and is then said to have been ‘isolated’ and proven to be infectious!
Consider the CDC-approved procedure for ‘isolating’ the measles virus for use in vaccines (cdc.gov; Hanley, 2018, pp. 28-30). Wash monkey kidney cells with trypsin, a digestive enzyme taken from a pig’s pancreas, which will begin to dissolve the cells. Add the kidney cells to a cell culture containing antibiotics (poisons), and then add fetal bovine serum (a growth supplement). Next add a urine, mucus or saliva sample from a measles patient (assumed to contain the measles virus). If the cells start showing signs of damage, this is blamed on the virus. Add more trypsin until at least half the cells look sick and distorted. Scrape the cells off the top and use as a measles-virus stock for making vaccines. At no point is the measles virus actually detected, purified and photographed with an electron microscope. No control experiment is conducted in which the cell culture is treated in the same way but without the human sample (and alleged virus). No telltale signs of measles are observed: the damaged cells are monkey kidney cells, whereas measles manifests on the skin. No attempt is made to identify and remove other organisms or contaminants mixed in with the pig trypsin, monkey kidney cells or calf fetus blood that may end up in the vaccine.
Stefan Lanka (2020, pt. 1) commissioned an independent laboratory to carry out the sort of control experiments that virologists never perform. The result was that the tissues and cells in the cell culture die regardless of whether material from a patient allegedly ‘infected’ with the measles virus is added, because during the laboratory procedure the cells are poisoned with antibiotics and deprived of nutrients (so that they will more easily absorb the alleged viruses). The death of tissue and cells in a test tube has been regarded as proof for the existence of a virus since June 1954, when John Enders published a speculative paper on his experiments with the measles virus, which included no control experiment. Enders admitted in the paper that his findings were not conclusive, but he received the Nobel Prize for Medicine later that year, and his unscientific cell culture technique became unquestioned scientific dogma.”
https://www.davidpratt.info/ozone.htm
“Cells that come under threat from chemical poisons, poor nourishment or electromagnetic smog are known to produce particles called exosomes as a defence mechanism, possibly as a way of warning other cells of the danger, or of instructing them how to respond to the trauma, or in some cases to devour and clean up toxins. Exosomes are one of several types of extracellular vesicles (EVs), which mediate intracellular communication by transporting lipids, proteins or nucleic acids to target cells. Because proteins associated with viruses have been detected in some EVs, mainstream scientists have jumped to the conclusion that viruses are ‘hijacking’ EVs in an effort to cause ‘infection’ (Giannessi et al., 2020). Exosomes are often indistinguishable from viruses, and it is questionable whether any such particle is a virus in the literal sense of the word (i.e. ‘poison’) (Cowan & Morell, 2020, ch. 6; Roberts, 2009). However, in so far as viruses are debris from disintegrated cells, they could contribute to ill health if they accumulate faster than the body can eliminate them (Baker, 2005), or if the bodily environment causes them to evolve into more complex, toxigenic forms (Young, 2016a). Cells that are sick and start to malfunction sometimes produce so many ‘viruses’ that they eventually burst apart, following which immune cells clean up the debris. Cells may produce a multitude of ‘viruses’ with slightly different genetic codes, making it look like the viruses are ‘deliberately’ mutating.“
I've heard this kind of thing before. Sounds interesting, but how to verify the truth of it?
All those other viruses we got vaccinations for in school? Evidently they took weakened form of THE VIRUS and shot them into us to spark immunity.
Fact is most of the vaccines came out AFTER most of the childhood disease mortality was virtually down to zero in the industrialized countries. Epidemiology studies show this.
I thought you said "Epidemiology " can't be trusted .. they're all corrupt?

So what your HARD CREDIBLE Evidence that "most of the childhood disease mortality was virtually down to zero in the industrialized countries" BEFORE vaccination was begun?

And why do you believe it is credible evidence that is actually true?

Rhetorical questions ... no need to fell obligated to back up your claim about what the FACT IS .... :-)
Tisra Til
2021-07-22 22:37:55 UTC
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“As for viruses, when viewed under an electron microscope they appear as tiny blobs in and around cells. But no virus has ever been isolated from the body, purified of all contaminants and cell debris, and then shown – in properly controlled experiments – to cause disease in a cell, animal or human (Lanka, 2015, 2020; Roberts 2009, 2010; Engelbrecht et al., 2021; theinfectiousmyth.com).
“The proper method for isolating a virus is as follows: take fluid from a patient, filter it (to remove anything the size of bacteria), spin it in a density-gradient centrifuge so that the constituents separate into different density bands, and extract the purified virus particles with a pipette; they can then be genetically and biochemically characterized. This method has been used to isolate bacteriophages (‘bacteria eaters’) and ‘giant viruses’ (these types of spores are wrongly assumed to attack bacteria and other unicellular organisms such as algae, but actually help them by sharing their own genetic material with them), and also exosomes (produced by our own cellular defence mechanisms; see below). But this method has never been applied to alleged pathogenic viruses. Instead, virologists take diseased fluid that is assumed to contain the virus, along with all manner of other particles and contaminants, and then either add it to a culture of human or monkey cells which has been starved of nutrients and poisoned with antibiotics and other chemicals, or administer it in an unnatural manner (e.g. via the brain) to laboratory animals such as mice or monkeys. If some of the cells become unhealthy or die, or if the lab animals show any ill effects, the virus is assumed to be responsible – and is then said to have been ‘isolated’ and proven to be infectious!
Consider the CDC-approved procedure for ‘isolating’ the measles virus for use in vaccines (cdc.gov; Hanley, 2018, pp. 28-30). Wash monkey kidney cells with trypsin, a digestive enzyme taken from a pig’s pancreas, which will begin to dissolve the cells. Add the kidney cells to a cell culture containing antibiotics (poisons), and then add fetal bovine serum (a growth supplement). Next add a urine, mucus or saliva sample from a measles patient (assumed to contain the measles virus). If the cells start showing signs of damage, this is blamed on the virus. Add more trypsin until at least half the cells look sick and distorted. Scrape the cells off the top and use as a measles-virus stock for making vaccines. At no point is the measles virus actually detected, purified and photographed with an electron microscope. No control experiment is conducted in which the cell culture is treated in the same way but without the human sample (and alleged virus). No telltale signs of measles are observed: the damaged cells are monkey kidney cells, whereas measles manifests on the skin. No attempt is made to identify and remove other organisms or contaminants mixed in with the pig trypsin, monkey kidney cells or calf fetus blood that may end up in the vaccine.
Stefan Lanka (2020, pt. 1) commissioned an independent laboratory to carry out the sort of control experiments that virologists never perform. The result was that the tissues and cells in the cell culture die regardless of whether material from a patient allegedly ‘infected’ with the measles virus is added, because during the laboratory procedure the cells are poisoned with antibiotics and deprived of nutrients (so that they will more easily absorb the alleged viruses). The death of tissue and cells in a test tube has been regarded as proof for the existence of a virus since June 1954, when John Enders published a speculative paper on his experiments with the measles virus, which included no control experiment. Enders admitted in the paper that his findings were not conclusive, but he received the Nobel Prize for Medicine later that year, and his unscientific cell culture technique became unquestioned scientific dogma.”
https://www.davidpratt.info/ozone.htm
“Cells that come under threat from chemical poisons, poor nourishment or electromagnetic smog are known to produce particles called exosomes as a defence mechanism, possibly as a way of warning other cells of the danger, or of instructing them how to respond to the trauma, or in some cases to devour and clean up toxins. Exosomes are one of several types of extracellular vesicles (EVs), which mediate intracellular communication by transporting lipids, proteins or nucleic acids to target cells. Because proteins associated with viruses have been detected in some EVs, mainstream scientists have jumped to the conclusion that viruses are ‘hijacking’ EVs in an effort to cause ‘infection’ (Giannessi et al., 2020). Exosomes are often indistinguishable from viruses, and it is questionable whether any such particle is a virus in the literal sense of the word (i.e. ‘poison’) (Cowan & Morell, 2020, ch. 6; Roberts, 2009). However, in so far as viruses are debris from disintegrated cells, they could contribute to ill health if they accumulate faster than the body can eliminate them (Baker, 2005), or if the bodily environment causes them to evolve into more complex, toxigenic forms (Young, 2016a). Cells that are sick and start to malfunction sometimes produce so many ‘viruses’ that they eventually burst apart, following which immune cells clean up the debris. Cells may produce a multitude of ‘viruses’ with slightly different genetic codes, making it look like the viruses are ‘deliberately’ mutating.“
I've heard this kind of thing before. Sounds interesting, but how to verify the truth of it?
All those other viruses we got vaccinations for in school? Evidently they took weakened form of THE VIRUS and shot them into us to spark immunity.
Fact is most of the vaccines came out AFTER most of the childhood disease mortality was virtually down to zero in the industrialized countries. Epidemiology studies show this.
I thought you said "Epidemiology " can't be trusted .. they're all corrupt?
So what your HARD CREDIBLE Evidence that "most of the childhood disease mortality was virtually down to zero in the industrialized countries" BEFORE vaccination was begun?
And why do you believe it is credible evidence that is actually true?
Rhetorical questions ... no need to fell obligated to back up your claim about what the FACT IS .... :-)
fwiw, Doug Marman told me, he never presented any info in his various writings about Twitchell and Eckankar that he didn't first confirm as being true "on the inner"
Difference is this has nothing to with the inner. Or subjective. These facts CAN BE verified with a little digging.... ;o))
Henosis Sage
2021-07-23 01:04:35 UTC
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“As for viruses, when viewed under an electron microscope they appear as tiny blobs in and around cells. But no virus has ever been isolated from the body, purified of all contaminants and cell debris, and then shown – in properly controlled experiments – to cause disease in a cell, animal or human (Lanka, 2015, 2020; Roberts 2009, 2010; Engelbrecht et al., 2021; theinfectiousmyth.com).
“The proper method for isolating a virus is as follows: take fluid from a patient, filter it (to remove anything the size of bacteria), spin it in a density-gradient centrifuge so that the constituents separate into different density bands, and extract the purified virus particles with a pipette; they can then be genetically and biochemically characterized. This method has been used to isolate bacteriophages (‘bacteria eaters’) and ‘giant viruses’ (these types of spores are wrongly assumed to attack bacteria and other unicellular organisms such as algae, but actually help them by sharing their own genetic material with them), and also exosomes (produced by our own cellular defence mechanisms; see below). But this method has never been applied to alleged pathogenic viruses. Instead, virologists take diseased fluid that is assumed to contain the virus, along with all manner of other particles and contaminants, and then either add it to a culture of human or monkey cells which has been starved of nutrients and poisoned with antibiotics and other chemicals, or administer it in an unnatural manner (e.g. via the brain) to laboratory animals such as mice or monkeys. If some of the cells become unhealthy or die, or if the lab animals show any ill effects, the virus is assumed to be responsible – and is then said to have been ‘isolated’ and proven to be infectious!
Consider the CDC-approved procedure for ‘isolating’ the measles virus for use in vaccines (cdc.gov; Hanley, 2018, pp. 28-30). Wash monkey kidney cells with trypsin, a digestive enzyme taken from a pig’s pancreas, which will begin to dissolve the cells. Add the kidney cells to a cell culture containing antibiotics (poisons), and then add fetal bovine serum (a growth supplement). Next add a urine, mucus or saliva sample from a measles patient (assumed to contain the measles virus). If the cells start showing signs of damage, this is blamed on the virus. Add more trypsin until at least half the cells look sick and distorted. Scrape the cells off the top and use as a measles-virus stock for making vaccines. At no point is the measles virus actually detected, purified and photographed with an electron microscope. No control experiment is conducted in which the cell culture is treated in the same way but without the human sample (and alleged virus). No telltale signs of measles are observed: the damaged cells are monkey kidney cells, whereas measles manifests on the skin. No attempt is made to identify and remove other organisms or contaminants mixed in with the pig trypsin, monkey kidney cells or calf fetus blood that may end up in the vaccine.
Stefan Lanka (2020, pt. 1) commissioned an independent laboratory to carry out the sort of control experiments that virologists never perform. The result was that the tissues and cells in the cell culture die regardless of whether material from a patient allegedly ‘infected’ with the measles virus is added, because during the laboratory procedure the cells are poisoned with antibiotics and deprived of nutrients (so that they will more easily absorb the alleged viruses). The death of tissue and cells in a test tube has been regarded as proof for the existence of a virus since June 1954, when John Enders published a speculative paper on his experiments with the measles virus, which included no control experiment. Enders admitted in the paper that his findings were not conclusive, but he received the Nobel Prize for Medicine later that year, and his unscientific cell culture technique became unquestioned scientific dogma.”
https://www.davidpratt.info/ozone.htm
“Cells that come under threat from chemical poisons, poor nourishment or electromagnetic smog are known to produce particles called exosomes as a defence mechanism, possibly as a way of warning other cells of the danger, or of instructing them how to respond to the trauma, or in some cases to devour and clean up toxins. Exosomes are one of several types of extracellular vesicles (EVs), which mediate intracellular communication by transporting lipids, proteins or nucleic acids to target cells. Because proteins associated with viruses have been detected in some EVs, mainstream scientists have jumped to the conclusion that viruses are ‘hijacking’ EVs in an effort to cause ‘infection’ (Giannessi et al., 2020). Exosomes are often indistinguishable from viruses, and it is questionable whether any such particle is a virus in the literal sense of the word (i.e. ‘poison’) (Cowan & Morell, 2020, ch. 6; Roberts, 2009). However, in so far as viruses are debris from disintegrated cells, they could contribute to ill health if they accumulate faster than the body can eliminate them (Baker, 2005), or if the bodily environment causes them to evolve into more complex, toxigenic forms (Young, 2016a). Cells that are sick and start to malfunction sometimes produce so many ‘viruses’ that they eventually burst apart, following which immune cells clean up the debris. Cells may produce a multitude of ‘viruses’ with slightly different genetic codes, making it look like the viruses are ‘deliberately’ mutating.“
I've heard this kind of thing before. Sounds interesting, but how to verify the truth of it?
All those other viruses we got vaccinations for in school? Evidently they took weakened form of THE VIRUS and shot them into us to spark immunity.
Fact is most of the vaccines came out AFTER most of the childhood disease mortality was virtually down to zero in the industrialized countries. Epidemiology studies show this.
I thought you said "Epidemiology " can't be trusted .. they're all corrupt?
So what your HARD CREDIBLE Evidence that "most of the childhood disease mortality was virtually down to zero in the industrialized countries" BEFORE vaccination was begun?
And why do you believe it is credible evidence that is actually true?
Rhetorical questions ... no need to fell obligated to back up your claim about what the FACT IS .... :-)
fwiw, Doug Marman told me, he never presented any info in his various writings about Twitchell and Eckankar that he didn't first confirm as being true "on the inner"
Difference is this has nothing to with the inner. Or subjective. These facts CAN BE verified with a little digging.... ;o))
Not different, that was the joke.

but if you dont want to answer my questions and provide some evidence, like Marman didnt either, thats fine and ok.
marika
2021-08-18 00:06:20 UTC
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“As for viruses, when viewed under an electron microscope they appear as tiny blobs in and around cells.
So basically, 2 viruses, but only the one on the right isn’t fat.

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Of the six main viruses that can cause deafness today — chickenpox, common cold viruses, influenza, measles, mumps, and poliomyelitis — there is evidence for all but measles in ancient Greece.
Martha L. Rose (2003). The Staff of Oedipus: Transforming Disability in Ancient Greece. University of Michigan Press. p. 68. ISBN 0-472-11339-9.
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