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“Propaganda” What is it good for?
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Tisra Til
2022-05-12 19:57:27 UTC
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“Universal literacy was supposed to educate the common man to control his environment. Once he could read and write he would have a mind fit to rule. So ran the democratic doctrine. But instead of a mind, universal literacy has given him rubber stamps, rubber stamps inked with advertising slogans, with editorials, with published scientific data, with the trivialities of the tabloids and the platitudes of history, but quite innocent of original thought. Each man's rubber stamps are the duplicates of millions of others, so that when those millions are exposed to the same stimuli, all receive identical imprints. It may seem an exaggeration to say that the American public gets most of its ideas in this wholesale fashion. The mechanism by which ideas are disseminated on a large scale is propaganda, in the broad sense of an organized effort to spread a particular belief or doctrine.
I am aware that the word "propaganda" carries to many minds an unpleasant connotation. Yet whether, in any instance, propaganda is good or bad depends upon the merit of the cause urged, and the correctness of the information published.
In itself, the word "propaganda" has certain technical meanings which, like most things in this world, are "neither good nor bad but custom makes them so." I find the word defined in Funk and Wagnalls' Dictionary in four ways:
"A society of cardinals, the overseers of foreign missions; also the College of the Propaganda at Rome founded by Pope Urban VIII in 1627 for the education of missionary priests; Sacred College de Propaganda Fide.
"Hence, any institution or scheme for propagating a doctrine or system.
"Effort directed systematically toward the gaining of public support for an opinion or a course of action.
"The principles advanced by a propaganda."
The Scientific American, in a recent issue, pleads for the restoration to respectable usage of that "fine old word 'propaganda.'"
"There is no word in the English language," it says, "whose meaning has been so sadly distorted as the word 'propaganda.' The change took place mainly during the late war when the term took on a decidedly sinister complexion.
"If you turn to the Standard Dictionary, you will find that the word was applied to a congregation or society of cardinals for the care and oversight of foreign missions which was instituted at Rome in the year 1627. It was applied also to the College of the Propaganda at Rome that was founded by Pope Urban VIII, for the education of the missionary priests. Hence, in later years the word came to be applied to any institution or scheme for propagating a doctrine or system.”

Edward Bernays
fife
2022-05-12 22:15:48 UTC
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“Universal literacy was supposed to educate the common man to control his environment. Once he could read and write he would have a mind fit to rule. So ran the democratic doctrine. But instead of a mind, universal literacy has given him rubber stamps, rubber stamps inked with advertising slogans, with editorials, with published scientific data, with the trivialities of the tabloids and the platitudes of history, but quite innocent of original thought. Each man's rubber stamps are the duplicates of millions of others, so that when those millions are exposed to the same stimuli, all receive identical imprints. It may seem an exaggeration to say that the American public gets most of its ideas in this wholesale fashion. The mechanism by which ideas are disseminated on a large scale is propaganda, in the broad sense of an organized effort to spread a particular belief or doctrine.
I am aware that the word "propaganda" carries to many minds an unpleasant connotation. Yet whether, in any instance, propaganda is good or bad depends upon the merit of the cause urged, and the correctness of the information published.
"A society of cardinals, the overseers of foreign missions; also the College of the Propaganda at Rome founded by Pope Urban VIII in 1627 for the education of missionary priests; Sacred College de Propaganda Fide.
"Hence, any institution or scheme for propagating a doctrine or system.
"Effort directed systematically toward the gaining of public support for an opinion or a course of action.
"The principles advanced by a propaganda."
The Scientific American, in a recent issue, pleads for the restoration to respectable usage of that "fine old word 'propaganda.'"
"There is no word in the English language," it says, "whose meaning has been so sadly distorted as the word 'propaganda.' The change took place mainly during the late war when the term took on a decidedly sinister complexion.
"If you turn to the Standard Dictionary, you will find that the word was applied to a congregation or society of cardinals for the care and oversight of foreign missions which was instituted at Rome in the year 1627. It was applied also to the College of the Propaganda at Rome that was founded by Pope Urban VIII, for the education of the missionary priests. Hence, in later years the word came to be applied to any institution or scheme for propagating a doctrine or system.”
Edward Bernays
"Propaganda"... "propagation". Unfortunately the problem isn't just the propagation of ideas, policies, and so forth. But the unfortunate marriage of "propaganda", "consumerism", and "psychology" developing in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries.
"Consumerism?" Consume what? Apparently anything and everything from durable goods, to ideas, to popular music, to you name it.
Tisra Til
2022-05-12 23:12:29 UTC
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“Universal literacy was supposed to educate the common man to control his environment. Once he could read and write he would have a mind fit to rule. So ran the democratic doctrine. But instead of a mind, universal literacy has given him rubber stamps, rubber stamps inked with advertising slogans, with editorials, with published scientific data, with the trivialities of the tabloids and the platitudes of history, but quite innocent of original thought. Each man's rubber stamps are the duplicates of millions of others, so that when those millions are exposed to the same stimuli, all receive identical imprints. It may seem an exaggeration to say that the American public gets most of its ideas in this wholesale fashion. The mechanism by which ideas are disseminated on a large scale is propaganda, in the broad sense of an organized effort to spread a particular belief or doctrine.
I am aware that the word "propaganda" carries to many minds an unpleasant connotation. Yet whether, in any instance, propaganda is good or bad depends upon the merit of the cause urged, and the correctness of the information published.
"A society of cardinals, the overseers of foreign missions; also the College of the Propaganda at Rome founded by Pope Urban VIII in 1627 for the education of missionary priests; Sacred College de Propaganda Fide.
"Hence, any institution or scheme for propagating a doctrine or system.
"Effort directed systematically toward the gaining of public support for an opinion or a course of action.
"The principles advanced by a propaganda."
The Scientific American, in a recent issue, pleads for the restoration to respectable usage of that "fine old word 'propaganda.'"
"There is no word in the English language," it says, "whose meaning has been so sadly distorted as the word 'propaganda.' The change took place mainly during the late war when the term took on a decidedly sinister complexion.
"If you turn to the Standard Dictionary, you will find that the word was applied to a congregation or society of cardinals for the care and oversight of foreign missions which was instituted at Rome in the year 1627. It was applied also to the College of the Propaganda at Rome that was founded by Pope Urban VIII, for the education of the missionary priests. Hence, in later years the word came to be applied to any institution or scheme for propagating a doctrine or system.”
Edward Bernays
"Propaganda"... "propagation". Unfortunately the problem isn't just the propagation of ideas, policies, and so forth. But the unfortunate marriage of "propaganda", "consumerism", and "psychology" developing in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries.
"Consumerism?" Consume what? Apparently anything and everything from durable goods, to ideas, to popular music, to you name it.
In case you didn’t already Google the name -

That’s basically what the book I quoted from - Propaganda - by Edward Bernays, is expounding on. Came out in 1928. He was born in Austria, and Sigmund Freud was his uncle. He eventually moved to the U.S.
I just started reading it a couple of days ago. ”Public Relations” came out of that. Twitchell was probably aware of the book.
fife
2022-05-13 16:53:50 UTC
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“Universal literacy was supposed to educate the common man to control his environment. Once he could read and write he would have a mind fit to rule. So ran the democratic doctrine. But instead of a mind, universal literacy has given him rubber stamps, rubber stamps inked with advertising slogans, with editorials, with published scientific data, with the trivialities of the tabloids and the platitudes of history, but quite innocent of original thought. Each man's rubber stamps are the duplicates of millions of others, so that when those millions are exposed to the same stimuli, all receive identical imprints. It may seem an exaggeration to say that the American public gets most of its ideas in this wholesale fashion. The mechanism by which ideas are disseminated on a large scale is propaganda, in the broad sense of an organized effort to spread a particular belief or doctrine.
I am aware that the word "propaganda" carries to many minds an unpleasant connotation. Yet whether, in any instance, propaganda is good or bad depends upon the merit of the cause urged, and the correctness of the information published.
"A society of cardinals, the overseers of foreign missions; also the College of the Propaganda at Rome founded by Pope Urban VIII in 1627 for the education of missionary priests; Sacred College de Propaganda Fide.
"Hence, any institution or scheme for propagating a doctrine or system.
"Effort directed systematically toward the gaining of public support for an opinion or a course of action.
"The principles advanced by a propaganda."
The Scientific American, in a recent issue, pleads for the restoration to respectable usage of that "fine old word 'propaganda.'"
"There is no word in the English language," it says, "whose meaning has been so sadly distorted as the word 'propaganda.' The change took place mainly during the late war when the term took on a decidedly sinister complexion.
"If you turn to the Standard Dictionary, you will find that the word was applied to a congregation or society of cardinals for the care and oversight of foreign missions which was instituted at Rome in the year 1627. It was applied also to the College of the Propaganda at Rome that was founded by Pope Urban VIII, for the education of the missionary priests. Hence, in later years the word came to be applied to any institution or scheme for propagating a doctrine or system.”
Edward Bernays
"Propaganda"... "propagation". Unfortunately the problem isn't just the propagation of ideas, policies, and so forth. But the unfortunate marriage of "propaganda", "consumerism", and "psychology" developing in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries.
"Consumerism?" Consume what? Apparently anything and everything from durable goods, to ideas, to popular music, to you name it.
In case you didn’t already Google the name -
That’s basically what the book I quoted from - Propaganda - by Edward Bernays, is expounding on. Came out in 1928. He was born in Austria, and Sigmund Freud was his uncle. He eventually moved to the U.S.
I just started reading it a couple of days ago. ”Public Relations” came out of that. Twitchell was probably aware of the book.
Okay.
Henosis Sage
2022-05-15 07:58:43 UTC
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“Universal literacy was supposed to educate the common man to control his environment. Once he could read and write he would have a mind fit to rule. So ran the democratic doctrine. But instead of a mind, universal literacy has given him rubber stamps, rubber stamps inked with advertising slogans, with editorials, with published scientific data, with the trivialities of the tabloids and the platitudes of history, but quite innocent of original thought. Each man's rubber stamps are the duplicates of millions of others, so that when those millions are exposed to the same stimuli, all receive identical imprints. It may seem an exaggeration to say that the American public gets most of its ideas in this wholesale fashion. The mechanism by which ideas are disseminated on a large scale is propaganda, in the broad sense of an organized effort to spread a particular belief or doctrine.
I am aware that the word "propaganda" carries to many minds an unpleasant connotation. Yet whether, in any instance, propaganda is good or bad depends upon the merit of the cause urged, and the correctness of the information published.
"A society of cardinals, the overseers of foreign missions; also the College of the Propaganda at Rome founded by Pope Urban VIII in 1627 for the education of missionary priests; Sacred College de Propaganda Fide.
"Hence, any institution or scheme for propagating a doctrine or system.
"Effort directed systematically toward the gaining of public support for an opinion or a course of action.
"The principles advanced by a propaganda."
The Scientific American, in a recent issue, pleads for the restoration to respectable usage of that "fine old word 'propaganda.'"
"There is no word in the English language," it says, "whose meaning has been so sadly distorted as the word 'propaganda.' The change took place mainly during the late war when the term took on a decidedly sinister complexion.
"If you turn to the Standard Dictionary, you will find that the word was applied to a congregation or society of cardinals for the care and oversight of foreign missions which was instituted at Rome in the year 1627. It was applied also to the College of the Propaganda at Rome that was founded by Pope Urban VIII, for the education of the missionary priests. Hence, in later years the word came to be applied to any institution or scheme for propagating a doctrine or system.”
Edward Bernays
"Propaganda"... "propagation". Unfortunately the problem isn't just the propagation of ideas, policies, and so forth. But the unfortunate marriage of "propaganda", "consumerism", and "psychology" developing in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries.
"Consumerism?" Consume what? Apparently anything and everything from durable goods, to ideas, to popular music, to you name it.
In case you didn’t already Google the name -
That’s basically what the book I quoted from - Propaganda - by Edward Bernays, is expounding on. Came out in 1928. He was born in Austria, and Sigmund Freud was his uncle. He eventually moved to the U.S.
I just started reading it a couple of days ago. ”Public Relations” came out of that. Twitchell was probably aware of the book.
Okay.
Silence is golden when one hopes to avoid an elephant in the room. Okay. No surprises there. It's to be expected. What could one say anyway given the history? Why nothing, of course.
fife
2022-05-16 14:00:56 UTC
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“Universal literacy was supposed to educate the common man to control his environment. Once he could read and write he would have a mind fit to rule. So ran the democratic doctrine. But instead of a mind, universal literacy has given him rubber stamps, rubber stamps inked with advertising slogans, with editorials, with published scientific data, with the trivialities of the tabloids and the platitudes of history, but quite innocent of original thought. Each man's rubber stamps are the duplicates of millions of others, so that when those millions are exposed to the same stimuli, all receive identical imprints. It may seem an exaggeration to say that the American public gets most of its ideas in this wholesale fashion. The mechanism by which ideas are disseminated on a large scale is propaganda, in the broad sense of an organized effort to spread a particular belief or doctrine.
I am aware that the word "propaganda" carries to many minds an unpleasant connotation. Yet whether, in any instance, propaganda is good or bad depends upon the merit of the cause urged, and the correctness of the information published.
"A society of cardinals, the overseers of foreign missions; also the College of the Propaganda at Rome founded by Pope Urban VIII in 1627 for the education of missionary priests; Sacred College de Propaganda Fide.
"Hence, any institution or scheme for propagating a doctrine or system.
"Effort directed systematically toward the gaining of public support for an opinion or a course of action.
"The principles advanced by a propaganda."
The Scientific American, in a recent issue, pleads for the restoration to respectable usage of that "fine old word 'propaganda.'"
"There is no word in the English language," it says, "whose meaning has been so sadly distorted as the word 'propaganda.' The change took place mainly during the late war when the term took on a decidedly sinister complexion.
"If you turn to the Standard Dictionary, you will find that the word was applied to a congregation or society of cardinals for the care and oversight of foreign missions which was instituted at Rome in the year 1627. It was applied also to the College of the Propaganda at Rome that was founded by Pope Urban VIII, for the education of the missionary priests. Hence, in later years the word came to be applied to any institution or scheme for propagating a doctrine or system.”
Edward Bernays
"Propaganda"... "propagation". Unfortunately the problem isn't just the propagation of ideas, policies, and so forth. But the unfortunate marriage of "propaganda", "consumerism", and "psychology" developing in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries.
"Consumerism?" Consume what? Apparently anything and everything from durable goods, to ideas, to popular music, to you name it.
In case you didn’t already Google the name -
That’s basically what the book I quoted from - Propaganda - by Edward Bernays, is expounding on. Came out in 1928. He was born in Austria, and Sigmund Freud was his uncle. He eventually moved to the U.S.
I just started reading it a couple of days ago. ”Public Relations” came out of that. Twitchell was probably aware of the book.
Okay.
Silence is golden when one hopes to avoid an elephant in the room. Okay. No surprises there. It's to be expected. What could one say anyway given the history? Why nothing, of course.
Look, Arundel. Am I supposed to think about what you wrote?
:-/
You know you're fucked. Right? After 29 years of this forum you're the only one left who wants to snark on others posting here. I don't. What are you going to do now?

snark: (to be) touchy, short-tempered, irritable, etc.
Henosis Sage
2022-05-16 15:09:38 UTC
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“Universal literacy was supposed to educate the common man to control his environment. Once he could read and write he would have a mind fit to rule. So ran the democratic doctrine. But instead of a mind, universal literacy has given him rubber stamps, rubber stamps inked with advertising slogans, with editorials, with published scientific data, with the trivialities of the tabloids and the platitudes of history, but quite innocent of original thought. Each man's rubber stamps are the duplicates of millions of others, so that when those millions are exposed to the same stimuli, all receive identical imprints. It may seem an exaggeration to say that the American public gets most of its ideas in this wholesale fashion. The mechanism by which ideas are disseminated on a large scale is propaganda, in the broad sense of an organized effort to spread a particular belief or doctrine.
I am aware that the word "propaganda" carries to many minds an unpleasant connotation. Yet whether, in any instance, propaganda is good or bad depends upon the merit of the cause urged, and the correctness of the information published.
"A society of cardinals, the overseers of foreign missions; also the College of the Propaganda at Rome founded by Pope Urban VIII in 1627 for the education of missionary priests; Sacred College de Propaganda Fide.
"Hence, any institution or scheme for propagating a doctrine or system.
"Effort directed systematically toward the gaining of public support for an opinion or a course of action.
"The principles advanced by a propaganda."
The Scientific American, in a recent issue, pleads for the restoration to respectable usage of that "fine old word 'propaganda.'"
"There is no word in the English language," it says, "whose meaning has been so sadly distorted as the word 'propaganda.' The change took place mainly during the late war when the term took on a decidedly sinister complexion.
"If you turn to the Standard Dictionary, you will find that the word was applied to a congregation or society of cardinals for the care and oversight of foreign missions which was instituted at Rome in the year 1627. It was applied also to the College of the Propaganda at Rome that was founded by Pope Urban VIII, for the education of the missionary priests. Hence, in later years the word came to be applied to any institution or scheme for propagating a doctrine or system.”
Edward Bernays
"Propaganda"... "propagation". Unfortunately the problem isn't just the propagation of ideas, policies, and so forth. But the unfortunate marriage of "propaganda", "consumerism", and "psychology" developing in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries.
"Consumerism?" Consume what? Apparently anything and everything from durable goods, to ideas, to popular music, to you name it.
In case you didn’t already Google the name -
That’s basically what the book I quoted from - Propaganda - by Edward Bernays, is expounding on. Came out in 1928. He was born in Austria, and Sigmund Freud was his uncle. He eventually moved to the U.S.
I just started reading it a couple of days ago. ”Public Relations” came out of that. Twitchell was probably aware of the book.
Okay.
Silence is golden when one hopes to avoid an elephant in the room. Okay. No surprises there. It's to be expected. What could one say anyway given the history? Why nothing, of course.
Look, Arundel. Am I supposed to think about what you wrote?
:-/
You know you're fucked. Right? After 29 years of this forum you're the only one left who wants to snark on others posting here. I don't. What are you going to do now?
snark: (to be) touchy, short-tempered, irritable, etc.
ROFL

:You do You .... go right ahead.

Keep lying about other people, me, and yourself.

Cry me a River or remain Silent you addled brain illiterate nutcase.
fife
2022-05-16 23:06:59 UTC
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“Universal literacy was supposed to educate the common man to control his environment. Once he could read and write he would have a mind fit to rule. So ran the democratic doctrine. But instead of a mind, universal literacy has given him rubber stamps, rubber stamps inked with advertising slogans, with editorials, with published scientific data, with the trivialities of the tabloids and the platitudes of history, but quite innocent of original thought. Each man's rubber stamps are the duplicates of millions of others, so that when those millions are exposed to the same stimuli, all receive identical imprints. It may seem an exaggeration to say that the American public gets most of its ideas in this wholesale fashion. The mechanism by which ideas are disseminated on a large scale is propaganda, in the broad sense of an organized effort to spread a particular belief or doctrine.
I am aware that the word "propaganda" carries to many minds an unpleasant connotation. Yet whether, in any instance, propaganda is good or bad depends upon the merit of the cause urged, and the correctness of the information published.
"A society of cardinals, the overseers of foreign missions; also the College of the Propaganda at Rome founded by Pope Urban VIII in 1627 for the education of missionary priests; Sacred College de Propaganda Fide.
"Hence, any institution or scheme for propagating a doctrine or system.
"Effort directed systematically toward the gaining of public support for an opinion or a course of action.
"The principles advanced by a propaganda."
The Scientific American, in a recent issue, pleads for the restoration to respectable usage of that "fine old word 'propaganda.'"
"There is no word in the English language," it says, "whose meaning has been so sadly distorted as the word 'propaganda.' The change took place mainly during the late war when the term took on a decidedly sinister complexion.
"If you turn to the Standard Dictionary, you will find that the word was applied to a congregation or society of cardinals for the care and oversight of foreign missions which was instituted at Rome in the year 1627. It was applied also to the College of the Propaganda at Rome that was founded by Pope Urban VIII, for the education of the missionary priests. Hence, in later years the word came to be applied to any institution or scheme for propagating a doctrine or system.”
Edward Bernays
"Propaganda"... "propagation". Unfortunately the problem isn't just the propagation of ideas, policies, and so forth. But the unfortunate marriage of "propaganda", "consumerism", and "psychology" developing in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries.
"Consumerism?" Consume what? Apparently anything and everything from durable goods, to ideas, to popular music, to you name it.
In case you didn’t already Google the name -
That’s basically what the book I quoted from - Propaganda - by Edward Bernays, is expounding on. Came out in 1928. He was born in Austria, and Sigmund Freud was his uncle. He eventually moved to the U.S.
I just started reading it a couple of days ago. ”Public Relations” came out of that. Twitchell was probably aware of the book.
Okay.
Silence is golden when one hopes to avoid an elephant in the room. Okay. No surprises there. It's to be expected. What could one say anyway given the history? Why nothing, of course.
Look, Arundel. Am I supposed to think about what you wrote?
:-/
You know you're fucked. Right? After 29 years of this forum you're the only one left who wants to snark on others posting here. I don't. What are you going to do now?
snark: (to be) touchy, short-tempered, irritable, etc.
ROFL
:You do You .... go right ahead.
Keep lying about other people, me, and yourself.
Cry me a River or remain Silent you addled brain illiterate nutcase.
:-)
So. Same-old, same-old from you? At every opportunity?
Of course.
Henosis Sage
2022-05-17 03:42:17 UTC
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“Universal literacy was supposed to educate the common man to control his environment. Once he could read and write he would have a mind fit to rule. So ran the democratic doctrine. But instead of a mind, universal literacy has given him rubber stamps, rubber stamps inked with advertising slogans, with editorials, with published scientific data, with the trivialities of the tabloids and the platitudes of history, but quite innocent of original thought. Each man's rubber stamps are the duplicates of millions of others, so that when those millions are exposed to the same stimuli, all receive identical imprints. It may seem an exaggeration to say that the American public gets most of its ideas in this wholesale fashion. The mechanism by which ideas are disseminated on a large scale is propaganda, in the broad sense of an organized effort to spread a particular belief or doctrine.
I am aware that the word "propaganda" carries to many minds an unpleasant connotation. Yet whether, in any instance, propaganda is good or bad depends upon the merit of the cause urged, and the correctness of the information published.
"A society of cardinals, the overseers of foreign missions; also the College of the Propaganda at Rome founded by Pope Urban VIII in 1627 for the education of missionary priests; Sacred College de Propaganda Fide.
"Hence, any institution or scheme for propagating a doctrine or system.
"Effort directed systematically toward the gaining of public support for an opinion or a course of action.
"The principles advanced by a propaganda."
The Scientific American, in a recent issue, pleads for the restoration to respectable usage of that "fine old word 'propaganda.'"
"There is no word in the English language," it says, "whose meaning has been so sadly distorted as the word 'propaganda.' The change took place mainly during the late war when the term took on a decidedly sinister complexion.
"If you turn to the Standard Dictionary, you will find that the word was applied to a congregation or society of cardinals for the care and oversight of foreign missions which was instituted at Rome in the year 1627. It was applied also to the College of the Propaganda at Rome that was founded by Pope Urban VIII, for the education of the missionary priests. Hence, in later years the word came to be applied to any institution or scheme for propagating a doctrine or system.”
Edward Bernays
"Propaganda"... "propagation". Unfortunately the problem isn't just the propagation of ideas, policies, and so forth. But the unfortunate marriage of "propaganda", "consumerism", and "psychology" developing in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries.
"Consumerism?" Consume what? Apparently anything and everything from durable goods, to ideas, to popular music, to you name it.
In case you didn’t already Google the name -
That’s basically what the book I quoted from - Propaganda - by Edward Bernays, is expounding on. Came out in 1928. He was born in Austria, and Sigmund Freud was his uncle. He eventually moved to the U.S.
I just started reading it a couple of days ago. ”Public Relations” came out of that. Twitchell was probably aware of the book.
Okay.
Silence is golden when one hopes to avoid an elephant in the room. Okay. No surprises there. It's to be expected. What could one say anyway given the history? Why nothing, of course.
Look, Arundel. Am I supposed to think about what you wrote?
:-/
You know you're fucked. Right? After 29 years of this forum you're the only one left who wants to snark on others posting here. I don't. What are you going to do now?
snark: (to be) touchy, short-tempered, irritable, etc.
ROFL
:You do You .... go right ahead.
Keep lying about other people, me, and yourself.
Cry me a River or remain Silent you addled brain illiterate nutcase.
:-)
So. Same-old, same-old from you? At every opportunity?
Of course.
Whatever shrug. Do not mention his name! There is no elephant in the room.

typo - brain addled
Opus-Dei
2022-05-25 08:19:56 UTC
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On Monday, May 16, 2022 at 4:07:00 PM UTC-7, fife wrote:
Okay
Of course. --- blah blah blah we're swimming in it 24/7 --- cheers
Henosis Sage
2022-05-25 10:01:47 UTC
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Okay
Of course. --- blah blah blah we're swimming in it 24/7 --- cheers
Hi Mr Abusive Asshole,

Richard died

Make you happy now?
Henosis Sage
2022-05-25 10:12:27 UTC
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Okay
Of course. --- blah blah blah we're swimming in it 24/7 --- cheers
What on earth happened to you to become this sick and inhuman? goes for matt and fife as well.

the most disgusting people i have ever come across online or in person. and i am not alone in that evaluation.

" Yeah about fife, I checked a.r.e. yesterday just briefly and I could see your
post about the blah blah blah and I thought fife was a fuckin' total asshole
and you see this is the kind of thing that really gets me, and when I see
responses like that I think of kinpa, you know,
- somebody who doesn't want to understand, thinks they're fuckin' self-righteous,
thinks that their shit doesn't stink and they're just god's gift to the world,
screw everyone else, they can talk down to people anyway they want -

I thought that was horrible what he came back with. If I wasn't busy I would
have written something back about it. But it seems like nothing works.

" And people who want to be assholes - it's like way too easy to be an asshole
online, on a chat group, because nobody can touch you, all they can is only
send words, and they don't even know who you are [...] whether you're a
pseudonym created by somebody else to look like some other person [...]
that kind of pissed me off that asshole fife, it's not like we haven't given
him feedback and other people besides us have given him feedback too.
and he's still acting like the same old asshole, now who does that remind
you of?

"look the good news is I think um that Tisra Til and Maplin both, and you
and I have got these character's numbers and know that they are both
assholes. and anyone can see that if they follow their a.r.e. posts,
that's all I can say about that. "
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Henosis Sage
2022-05-18 02:52:30 UTC
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Post by Tisra Til
“Universal literacy was supposed to educate the common man to control his environment. Once he could read and write he would have a mind fit to rule. So ran the democratic doctrine. But instead of a mind, universal literacy has given him rubber stamps, rubber stamps inked with advertising slogans, with editorials, with published scientific data, with the trivialities of the tabloids and the platitudes of history, but quite innocent of original thought. Each man's rubber stamps are the duplicates of millions of others, so that when those millions are exposed to the same stimuli, all receive identical imprints. It may seem an exaggeration to say that the American public gets most of its ideas in this wholesale fashion. The mechanism by which ideas are disseminated on a large scale is propaganda, in the broad sense of an organized effort to spread a particular belief or doctrine.
I am aware that the word "propaganda" carries to many minds an unpleasant connotation. Yet whether, in any instance, propaganda is good or bad depends upon the merit of the cause urged, and the correctness of the information published.
"A society of cardinals, the overseers of foreign missions; also the College of the Propaganda at Rome founded by Pope Urban VIII in 1627 for the education of missionary priests; Sacred College de Propaganda Fide.
"Hence, any institution or scheme for propagating a doctrine or system.
"Effort directed systematically toward the gaining of public support for an opinion or a course of action.
"The principles advanced by a propaganda."
The Scientific American, in a recent issue, pleads for the restoration to respectable usage of that "fine old word 'propaganda.'"
"There is no word in the English language," it says, "whose meaning has been so sadly distorted as the word 'propaganda.' The change took place mainly during the late war when the term took on a decidedly sinister complexion.
"If you turn to the Standard Dictionary, you will find that the word was applied to a congregation or society of cardinals for the care and oversight of foreign missions which was instituted at Rome in the year 1627. It was applied also to the College of the Propaganda at Rome that was founded by Pope Urban VIII, for the education of the missionary priests. Hence, in later years the word came to be applied to any institution or scheme for propagating a doctrine or system.”
Edward Bernays
a current example fwiw copied from the net -- (and fwiw there is a spin off group/concept from ex-scientology people called NLP neural linguistic programming - I think it underlies why/how Hubbard was so successful with his writings and lectures ... how committed followers became. Twitchell similar but less successful ... George Lakoff cognitive psychology also touches on this via frames and word use. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLunO6ghcPSn-zWFtHVFXXf-vRgL65kSDK -- Chomsky's manufacturing consent explains some of it too see
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We used to have religion in the past that proscribed norms and values but today we dont have that anymore, it is substituted with propaganda.

“Soldiers at Azovstal are evacuated after ending their mission”

How does linguistic programming work here a.k.a. the reason it angers us so much.

The statement is in fact true if you look at it as a sequence of words. They are evacuated, and they have indeed ended their mission. So what is the problem then we ask? Why are we angered by a truth? How can there be two opposing truths coexisting about this particular sequence of events? The one above and the one we know as simply “They surrendered”.

You can call it obfuscation or a misdirection about events or facts that happened in physical reality. But what is that?

The matter is solved by accounting for the way our minds deal with truths. We have constructs in our heads to give meaning to certain words. E.g. the meaning of “surrender” being one. Something is “true” in our minds if it falls unequivocally within a construct when linguistically communicated to us.

What happens with the statement above has two nested misdirections.

One is direct, connecting the word “evacuate” to a construct different from surrender. Or at least trying in the more intelligent/critical recipients of this message to sow doubt whether it is evacuation (by helicopters Rambo style) or some form of mild surrender.

The second is indirect. “Ending the mission” is supposed to connect to the constructs of “mission accomplished” or some other form of successful resolution. This is then in some of the headlines strengthened by “finalized their tasks”.

So, they have searched for phrases describing the event that are true on the face of it (the truth has a ring to it) but also maximally close to “success” and simultaneously as far away from “surrender”.

All this for the purpose of manufacturing consent (yes thats where this is coming from) in one group for the selfish purposes of another group that is costing innocent lives.

This is of course - in my view - deeply unethical and as I mentioned maybe in the future criminal act of physiological abuse. They also do it in advertising. I believe that should also be reigned in. Its a tool in the hands of the few that is as dangerous and destructive as a nuke.


--- blah blah blah we're swimming in it 24/7 --- cheers
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