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Former NATO Military Analyst Blows the Whistle on West’s Ukraine Invasion Narrative
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Henosis Sage
2022-04-10 11:25:16 UTC
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The truth rarely matters .. here's proof.

https://cf2r.org/documentation/la-situation-militaire-en-ukraine/

https://scheerpost.com/2022/04/09/former-nato-military-analyst-blows-the-whistle-on-wests-ukraine-invasion-narrative/

again reiterates how dysfunctional and corrupt (and incompetent as well) the MSM, news media, western media, social media and the extremely undemocratic western " democratic politics " has become.

the liars rule the day ... every day.
Henosis Sage
2022-04-10 12:21:35 UTC
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Post by Henosis Sage
The truth rarely matters .. here's proof.
https://cf2r.org/documentation/la-situation-militaire-en-ukraine/
https://scheerpost.com/2022/04/09/former-nato-military-analyst-blows-the-whistle-on-wests-ukraine-invasion-narrative/
again reiterates how dysfunctional and corrupt (and incompetent as well) the MSM, news media, western media, social media and the extremely undemocratic western " democratic politics " has become.
the liars rule the day ... every day.
" Today we are in the management of perception, it is no longer the truth that matters ,”

"Americans will be able to access all the personal data of Europeans"
https://www-francesoir-fr.translate.goog/videos-lentretien-essentiel/eric-denece?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp
Henosis Sage
2022-04-10 12:43:25 UTC
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Post by Henosis Sage
Post by Henosis Sage
The truth rarely matters .. here's proof.
https://cf2r.org/documentation/la-situation-militaire-en-ukraine/
https://scheerpost.com/2022/04/09/former-nato-military-analyst-blows-the-whistle-on-wests-ukraine-invasion-narrative/
again reiterates how dysfunctional and corrupt (and incompetent as well) the MSM, news media, western media, social media and the extremely undemocratic western " democratic politics " has become.
the liars rule the day ... every day.
" Today we are in the management of perception, it is no longer the truth that matters ,”
"Americans will be able to access all the personal data of Europeans"
https://www-francesoir-fr.translate.goog/videos-lentretien-essentiel/eric-denece?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp
– Western intelligence ignored by policy makers

The military documents found with Ukrainian headquarters in the south of the country confirm that Ukraine was preparing to attack the Donbass [with 60,000 plus troops inside the ukraine held donbass sector ] and that the shots observed by OSCE observers from February 16 announced an imminent outbreak in the days when the weeks.

Here, a reflection is necessary for Westerners: either their intelligence services did not see what was happening and they are very bad, or the political decision-makers have chosen not to listen to them. We know that Russian intelligence services have far superior analytical capabilities than Western services. We also know that the American and German intelligence services had understood the situation very well since the end of 2021, and knew that Ukraine was preparing to attack Donbass.

This allows us to deduce that American and European political leaders deliberately pushed Ukraine into a conflict that they knew would be lost, for the sole purpose of dealing a political blow to Russia.

The reason Zelensky did not deploy his forces on the Russian border and repeatedly asserted that his larger neighbor would not attack him was presumably that he thought he was relying on Western deterrence. This is what he confided to CNN on March 20 : he was clearly told that Ukraine would not be part of NATO, but that publicly it seems the opposite! So Ukraine was exploited to affect Russia. The objective being the closure of the North Stream 2 gas pipeline, announced on February 8 by Joe Biden during the visit of Olaf Scholz and which was followed by a shower of sanctions.

https://cf2r-org.translate.goog/documentation/le-point-sur-la-situation-militaire-en-ukraine-au-25-mars-2022/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp

best read the whole article .... now 2 weeks out of date ...
those 60k plus ukrainian troops/militias are now surrounded by russian, chechen and donbass military ..... caught in a trap .... the western politicians ... especially the usa/nato are lying through their teeth ...

and do read this in full if want to know the truth and not the fiction
https://scheerpost.com/2022/04/09/former-nato-military-analyst-blows-the-whistle-on-wests-ukraine-invasion-narrative/
Henosis Sage
2022-04-10 15:01:22 UTC
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Post by Henosis Sage
Post by Henosis Sage
Post by Henosis Sage
The truth rarely matters .. here's proof.
https://cf2r.org/documentation/la-situation-militaire-en-ukraine/
https://scheerpost.com/2022/04/09/former-nato-military-analyst-blows-the-whistle-on-wests-ukraine-invasion-narrative/
again reiterates how dysfunctional and corrupt (and incompetent as well) the MSM, news media, western media, social media and the extremely undemocratic western " democratic politics " has become.
the liars rule the day ... every day.
" Today we are in the management of perception, it is no longer the truth that matters ,”
"Americans will be able to access all the personal data of Europeans"
https://www-francesoir-fr.translate.goog/videos-lentretien-essentiel/eric-denece?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp
– Western intelligence ignored by policy makers
The military documents found with Ukrainian headquarters in the south of the country confirm that Ukraine was preparing to attack the Donbass [with 60,000 plus troops inside the ukraine held donbass sector ] and that the shots observed by OSCE observers from February 16 announced an imminent outbreak in the days when the weeks.
Here, a reflection is necessary for Westerners: either their intelligence services did not see what was happening and they are very bad, or the political decision-makers have chosen not to listen to them. We know that Russian intelligence services have far superior analytical capabilities than Western services. We also know that the American and German intelligence services had understood the situation very well since the end of 2021, and knew that Ukraine was preparing to attack Donbass.
This allows us to deduce that American and European political leaders deliberately pushed Ukraine into a conflict that they knew would be lost, for the sole purpose of dealing a political blow to Russia.
The reason Zelensky did not deploy his forces on the Russian border and repeatedly asserted that his larger neighbor would not attack him was presumably that he thought he was relying on Western deterrence. This is what he confided to CNN on March 20 : he was clearly told that Ukraine would not be part of NATO, but that publicly it seems the opposite! So Ukraine was exploited to affect Russia. The objective being the closure of the North Stream 2 gas pipeline, announced on February 8 by Joe Biden during the visit of Olaf Scholz and which was followed by a shower of sanctions.
https://cf2r-org.translate.goog/documentation/le-point-sur-la-situation-militaire-en-ukraine-au-25-mars-2022/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp
best read the whole article .... now 2 weeks out of date ...
those 60k plus ukrainian troops/militias are now surrounded by russian, chechen and donbass military ..... caught in a trap .... the western politicians ... especially the usa/nato are lying through their teeth ...
and do read this in full if want to know the truth and not the fiction
https://scheerpost.com/2022/04/09/former-nato-military-analyst-blows-the-whistle-on-wests-ukraine-invasion-narrative/
AND .....

US [EU NATO Western] Media Pushes “War Crime” Propaganda In Ukraine

April 5, 2022
If you get your news about the Ukraine war from the mainstream media in the United States, you’ve been inundated with uncorroborated reports of the brutal and unconscionable war crimes the Russian military is committing in cities like Bucha and Mariupol. The possibility that pro-Ukrainian propaganda could be responsible for these reports is never broached or even considered.

Jimmy and The Grayzone’s Aaron Maté ( https://mate.substack.com ) discuss the propaganda war surrounding the military conflict in Ukraine and the media’s frequent past failures to report accurately on matters of war.

Aaron is careful about getting his facts straight, and not pretending they're proving something that they're not. Unfortunate that there's nobody left in the corporate media like that...

Russia has called twice for the UN Security Council to forensically investigate the atrocities in Bucha. A meeting was requested for the 4th April where all parties could present their evidence. The UK is leading the UNSC at the moment and refused both requests. The US agrees. What does that tell you?



The mass grave in the church grounds of Bucha is equally ludicrous as a " crime" by Russia military .... it was an emergency mass grave in the middle of battles/shelling ... dug and arranged by ukrainians.

it's all insane
Henosis Sage
2022-04-11 02:43:46 UTC
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Post by Henosis Sage
Post by Henosis Sage
Post by Henosis Sage
Post by Henosis Sage
The truth rarely matters .. here's proof.
https://cf2r.org/documentation/la-situation-militaire-en-ukraine/
https://scheerpost.com/2022/04/09/former-nato-military-analyst-blows-the-whistle-on-wests-ukraine-invasion-narrative/
again reiterates how dysfunctional and corrupt (and incompetent as well) the MSM, news media, western media, social media and the extremely undemocratic western " democratic politics " has become.
the liars rule the day ... every day.
" Today we are in the management of perception, it is no longer the truth that matters ,”
"Americans will be able to access all the personal data of Europeans"
https://www-francesoir-fr.translate.goog/videos-lentretien-essentiel/eric-denece?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp
– Western intelligence ignored by policy makers
The military documents found with Ukrainian headquarters in the south of the country confirm that Ukraine was preparing to attack the Donbass [with 60,000 plus troops inside the ukraine held donbass sector ] and that the shots observed by OSCE observers from February 16 announced an imminent outbreak in the days when the weeks.
Here, a reflection is necessary for Westerners: either their intelligence services did not see what was happening and they are very bad, or the political decision-makers have chosen not to listen to them. We know that Russian intelligence services have far superior analytical capabilities than Western services. We also know that the American and German intelligence services had understood the situation very well since the end of 2021, and knew that Ukraine was preparing to attack Donbass.
This allows us to deduce that American and European political leaders deliberately pushed Ukraine into a conflict that they knew would be lost, for the sole purpose of dealing a political blow to Russia.
The reason Zelensky did not deploy his forces on the Russian border and repeatedly asserted that his larger neighbor would not attack him was presumably that he thought he was relying on Western deterrence. This is what he confided to CNN on March 20 : he was clearly told that Ukraine would not be part of NATO, but that publicly it seems the opposite! So Ukraine was exploited to affect Russia. The objective being the closure of the North Stream 2 gas pipeline, announced on February 8 by Joe Biden during the visit of Olaf Scholz and which was followed by a shower of sanctions.
https://cf2r-org.translate.goog/documentation/le-point-sur-la-situation-militaire-en-ukraine-au-25-mars-2022/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp
best read the whole article .... now 2 weeks out of date ...
those 60k plus ukrainian troops/militias are now surrounded by russian, chechen and donbass military ..... caught in a trap .... the western politicians ... especially the usa/nato are lying through their teeth ...
and do read this in full if want to know the truth and not the fiction
https://scheerpost.com/2022/04/09/former-nato-military-analyst-blows-the-whistle-on-wests-ukraine-invasion-narrative/
AND .....
US [EU NATO Western] Media Pushes “War Crime” Propaganda In Ukraine
April 5, 2022
If you get your news about the Ukraine war from the mainstream media in the United States, you’ve been inundated with uncorroborated reports of the brutal and unconscionable war crimes the Russian military is committing in cities like Bucha and Mariupol. The possibility that pro-Ukrainian propaganda could be responsible for these reports is never broached or even considered.
Jimmy and The Grayzone’s Aaron Maté ( https://mate.substack.com ) discuss the propaganda war surrounding the military conflict in Ukraine and the media’s frequent past failures to report accurately on matters of war.
Aaron is careful about getting his facts straight, and not pretending they're proving something that they're not. Unfortunate that there's nobody left in the corporate media like that...
Russia has called twice for the UN Security Council to forensically investigate the atrocities in Bucha. A meeting was requested for the 4th April where all parties could present their evidence. The UK is leading the UNSC at the moment and refused both requests. The US agrees. What does that tell you?
http://youtu.be/3pePfCOrysY
The mass grave in the church grounds of Bucha is equally ludicrous as a " crime" by Russia military .... it was an emergency mass grave in the middle of battles/shelling ... dug and arranged by ukrainians.
it's all insane
I'm reminded of this parable .....


The Wise King
By Kahlil Gibran
Once there ruled in the distant city of Wirani a king who was both
mighty and wise. And he was feared for his might and loved for
his wisdom.

Now, in the heart of that city was a well, whose water was cool and
crystalline, from which all the inhabitants drank, even the king
and his courtiers; for there was no other well.

One night when all were asleep, a witch entered the city, and poured
seven drops of strange liquid into the well, and said, “From this
hour he who drinks this water shall become mad.”

Next morning all the inhabitants, save the king and his lord
chamberlain, drank from the well and became mad, even as the witch
had foretold.

And during that day the people in the narrow streets and in the
market places did naught but whisper to one another, “The king is
mad. Our king and his lord chamberlain have lost their reason.
Surely we cannot be ruled by a mad king. We must dethrone him.”

That evening the king ordered a golden goblet to be filled from the
well. And when it was brought to him he drank deeply, and gave it
to his lord chamberlain to drink.

And there was great rejoicing in that distant city of Wirani,
because its king and its lord chamberlain had regained their reason.
Maplin
2022-04-15 04:25:55 UTC
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Post by Henosis Sage
Post by Henosis Sage
Post by Henosis Sage
The truth rarely matters .. here's proof.
https://cf2r.org/documentation/la-situation-militaire-en-ukraine/
https://scheerpost.com/2022/04/09/former-nato-military-analyst-blows-the-whistle-on-wests-ukraine-invasion-narrative/
again reiterates how dysfunctional and corrupt (and incompetent as well) the MSM, news media, western media, social media and the extremely undemocratic western " democratic politics " has become.
the liars rule the day ... every day.
" Today we are in the management of perception, it is no longer the truth that matters ,”
"Americans will be able to access all the personal data of Europeans"
https://www-francesoir-fr.translate.goog/videos-lentretien-essentiel/eric-denece?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp
– Western intelligence ignored by policy makers
The military documents found with Ukrainian headquarters in the south of the country confirm that Ukraine was preparing to attack the Donbass [with 60,000 plus troops inside the ukraine held donbass sector ] and that the shots observed by OSCE observers from February 16 announced an imminent outbreak in the days when the weeks.
Here, a reflection is necessary for Westerners: either their intelligence services did not see what was happening and they are very bad, or the political decision-makers have chosen not to listen to them. We know that Russian intelligence services have far superior analytical capabilities than Western services. We also know that the American and German intelligence services had understood the situation very well since the end of 2021, and knew that Ukraine was preparing to attack Donbass.
This allows us to deduce that American and European political leaders deliberately pushed Ukraine into a conflict that they knew would be lost, for the sole purpose of dealing a political blow to Russia.
The reason Zelensky did not deploy his forces on the Russian border and repeatedly asserted that his larger neighbor would not attack him was presumably that he thought he was relying on Western deterrence. This is what he confided to CNN on March 20 : he was clearly told that Ukraine would not be part of NATO, but that publicly it seems the opposite! So Ukraine was exploited to affect Russia. The objective being the closure of the North Stream 2 gas pipeline, announced on February 8 by Joe Biden during the visit of Olaf Scholz and which was followed by a shower of sanctions.
https://cf2r-org.translate.goog/documentation/le-point-sur-la-situation-militaire-en-ukraine-au-25-mars-2022/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp
best read the whole article .... now 2 weeks out of date ...
those 60k plus ukrainian troops/militias are now surrounded by russian, chechen and donbass military ..... caught in a trap .... the western politicians ... especially the usa/nato are lying through their teeth ...
and do read this in full if want to know the truth and not the fiction
https://scheerpost.com/2022/04/09/former-nato-military-analyst-blows-the-whistle-on-wests-ukraine-invasion-narrative/
So to clarify... you believe this to mean that Russia's reason for
invading Ukraine was to prevent, or because of the threat of, Ukraine's
apparently imminent invasion of the Donbas region? (I'm assuming by
"Donbas/Donbass" the article means the short name for the Donets Basin area)

If so you're absolutely right that the whole appearance in the media of
the Russian invasion is totally distorted. But, they're right about one
thing, it's been a horrific and cruel way to run a war. I was expecting
the type of modern, precisely targeted operation that's over in a week,
and all the targets being critical institutions. But what's happening to
the cities and civilians is really shocking. Russia does have a long
history of using chaos against civilian targets, but I honestly expected
something more like the Iraq wars... a dagger in the heart of the
country, not this kind of Syria-style flattening of everything in sight.
Henosis Sage
2022-04-15 08:38:21 UTC
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Post by Maplin
Post by Henosis Sage
Post by Henosis Sage
Post by Henosis Sage
The truth rarely matters .. here's proof.
https://cf2r.org/documentation/la-situation-militaire-en-ukraine/
https://scheerpost.com/2022/04/09/former-nato-military-analyst-blows-the-whistle-on-wests-ukraine-invasion-narrative/
again reiterates how dysfunctional and corrupt (and incompetent as well) the MSM, news media, western media, social media and the extremely undemocratic western " democratic politics " has become.
the liars rule the day ... every day.
" Today we are in the management of perception, it is no longer the truth that matters ,”
"Americans will be able to access all the personal data of Europeans"
https://www-francesoir-fr.translate.goog/videos-lentretien-essentiel/eric-denece?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp
– Western intelligence ignored by policy makers
The military documents found with Ukrainian headquarters in the south of the country confirm that Ukraine was preparing to attack the Donbass [with 60,000 plus troops inside the ukraine held donbass sector ] and that the shots observed by OSCE observers from February 16 announced an imminent outbreak in the days when the weeks.
Here, a reflection is necessary for Westerners: either their intelligence services did not see what was happening and they are very bad, or the political decision-makers have chosen not to listen to them. We know that Russian intelligence services have far superior analytical capabilities than Western services. We also know that the American and German intelligence services had understood the situation very well since the end of 2021, and knew that Ukraine was preparing to attack Donbass.
This allows us to deduce that American and European political leaders deliberately pushed Ukraine into a conflict that they knew would be lost, for the sole purpose of dealing a political blow to Russia.
The reason Zelensky did not deploy his forces on the Russian border and repeatedly asserted that his larger neighbor would not attack him was presumably that he thought he was relying on Western deterrence. This is what he confided to CNN on March 20 : he was clearly told that Ukraine would not be part of NATO, but that publicly it seems the opposite! So Ukraine was exploited to affect Russia. The objective being the closure of the North Stream 2 gas pipeline, announced on February 8 by Joe Biden during the visit of Olaf Scholz and which was followed by a shower of sanctions.
https://cf2r-org.translate.goog/documentation/le-point-sur-la-situation-militaire-en-ukraine-au-25-mars-2022/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp
best read the whole article .... now 2 weeks out of date ...
those 60k plus ukrainian troops/militias are now surrounded by russian, chechen and donbass military ..... caught in a trap .... the western politicians ... especially the usa/nato are lying through their teeth ...
and do read this in full if want to know the truth and not the fiction
https://scheerpost.com/2022/04/09/former-nato-military-analyst-blows-the-whistle-on-wests-ukraine-invasion-narrative/
So to clarify... you believe this to mean that Russia's reason for
invading Ukraine was to prevent, or because of the threat of, Ukraine's
apparently imminent invasion of the Donbas region? (I'm assuming by
"Donbas/Donbass" the article means the short name for the Donets Basin area)
hey maplin, how goes it?

I can't know for sure of anything.

including russias specific reasons who what when why etc but the distorted massaged propaganda we've all been fed about ukraine is fairly clear to me. one doesn't need to dig very far to find the inconsistencies in the narrative. but helps to have solid grounding in the historical facts leading up to now and an ability to remain skeptical rather than having ones emotions manipulated by rhetoric and vision. hard to do ...

I guess it often depends on how much faith and belief people choose to place on the USA/nato/media pronouncements of what is.
because no matter how many times the US and the media have been caught out people continue to accept what they say at face value with nary a thought.

the idea that the mass grave in the church grounds is done by the russians or is a war crime is simply ludicrous. it defies credibility and all reason. there's photos of ukrainians medicos standing on the side of the pit when it was first being used, for dead people in body bags ..... it is as dangerous as hell to automatically believe what one is shown on social media and news reports during a war in a war zone. Syria included.
Post by Maplin
If so you're absolutely right that the whole appearance in the media of
the Russian invasion is totally distorted. But, they're right about one
thing, it's been a horrific and cruel way to run a war. I was expecting
the type of modern, precisely targeted operation that's over in a week,
and all the targets being critical institutions. But what's happening to
the cities and civilians is really shocking. Russia does have a long
history of using chaos against civilian targets, but I honestly expected
something more like the Iraq wars... a dagger in the heart of the
country, not this kind of Syria-style flattening of everything in sight.
I think the " modern, precisely targeted operations" only happen on tv. none of these wars are clean. they are heavily redacted for consumption imho. how much video have you seen of the us/saudi air strikes on yemen? or libya and in syria so on.
why do people assume the actions of the ukrianians causes no deaths or destruction of their own country? only assad does things like that? don't think so.

if our criminal justice system operated like political media hype about genocide war crimes who did what when in ukraine no one would be safe from false imprisonment anywhere.

the ' empire' and 'lies' truly rules the world today . apparently many really like it. i cannot see anything is going to stop it.
i believe the world has gone mad ..... those that rule it and the masses as well... especially in the west so dominated it is by empire.
as per

The Wise King
By Kahlil Gibran
Once there ruled in the distant city of Wirani a king who was both
mighty and wise. And he was feared for his might and loved for
his wisdom.

Now, in the heart of that city was a well, whose water was cool and
crystalline, from which all the inhabitants drank, even the king
and his courtiers; for there was no other well.

One night when all were asleep, a witch entered the city, and poured
seven drops of strange liquid into the well, and said, “From this
hour he who drinks this water shall become mad.”

Next morning all the inhabitants, save the king and his lord
chamberlain, drank from the well and became mad, even as the witch
had foretold.

And during that day the people in the narrow streets and in the
market places did naught but whisper to one another, “The king is
mad. Our king and his lord chamberlain have lost their reason.
Surely we cannot be ruled by a mad king. We must dethrone him.”

That evening the king ordered a golden goblet to be filled from the
well. And when it was brought to him he drank deeply, and gave it
to his lord chamberlain to drink.

And there was great rejoicing in that distant city of Wirani,
because its king and its lord chamberlain had regained their reason.

anyway .... shouldn't impact wa much, keep making music and ignore it is best.

cheers sean
Maplin
2022-04-15 12:13:15 UTC
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Post by Maplin
Post by Henosis Sage
Post by Henosis Sage
Post by Henosis Sage
The truth rarely matters .. here's proof.
https://cf2r.org/documentation/la-situation-militaire-en-ukraine/
https://scheerpost.com/2022/04/09/former-nato-military-analyst-blows-the-whistle-on-wests-ukraine-invasion-narrative/
again reiterates how dysfunctional and corrupt (and incompetent as well) the MSM, news media, western media, social media and the extremely undemocratic western " democratic politics " has become.
the liars rule the day ... every day.
" Today we are in the management of perception, it is no longer the truth that matters ,”
"Americans will be able to access all the personal data of Europeans"
https://www-francesoir-fr.translate.goog/videos-lentretien-essentiel/eric-denece?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp
– Western intelligence ignored by policy makers
The military documents found with Ukrainian headquarters in the south of the country confirm that Ukraine was preparing to attack the Donbass [with 60,000 plus troops inside the ukraine held donbass sector ] and that the shots observed by OSCE observers from February 16 announced an imminent outbreak in the days when the weeks.
Here, a reflection is necessary for Westerners: either their intelligence services did not see what was happening and they are very bad, or the political decision-makers have chosen not to listen to them. We know that Russian intelligence services have far superior analytical capabilities than Western services. We also know that the American and German intelligence services had understood the situation very well since the end of 2021, and knew that Ukraine was preparing to attack Donbass.
This allows us to deduce that American and European political leaders deliberately pushed Ukraine into a conflict that they knew would be lost, for the sole purpose of dealing a political blow to Russia.
The reason Zelensky did not deploy his forces on the Russian border and repeatedly asserted that his larger neighbor would not attack him was presumably that he thought he was relying on Western deterrence. This is what he confided to CNN on March 20 : he was clearly told that Ukraine would not be part of NATO, but that publicly it seems the opposite! So Ukraine was exploited to affect Russia. The objective being the closure of the North Stream 2 gas pipeline, announced on February 8 by Joe Biden during the visit of Olaf Scholz and which was followed by a shower of sanctions.
https://cf2r-org.translate.goog/documentation/le-point-sur-la-situation-militaire-en-ukraine-au-25-mars-2022/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp
best read the whole article .... now 2 weeks out of date ...
those 60k plus ukrainian troops/militias are now surrounded by russian, chechen and donbass military ..... caught in a trap .... the western politicians ... especially the usa/nato are lying through their teeth ...
and do read this in full if want to know the truth and not the fiction
https://scheerpost.com/2022/04/09/former-nato-military-analyst-blows-the-whistle-on-wests-ukraine-invasion-narrative/
So to clarify... you believe this to mean that Russia's reason for
invading Ukraine was to prevent, or because of the threat of, Ukraine's
apparently imminent invasion of the Donbas region? (I'm assuming by
"Donbas/Donbass" the article means the short name for the Donets Basin area)
hey maplin, how goes it?
I can't know for sure of anything.
including russias specific reasons who what when why etc but the distorted massaged propaganda we've all been fed about ukraine is fairly clear to me. one doesn't need to dig very far to find the inconsistencies in the narrative. but helps to have solid grounding in the historical facts leading up to now and an ability to remain skeptical rather than having ones emotions manipulated by rhetoric and vision. hard to do ...
I guess it often depends on how much faith and belief people choose to place on the USA/nato/media pronouncements of what is.
because no matter how many times the US and the media have been caught out people continue to accept what they say at face value with nary a thought.
the idea that the mass grave in the church grounds is done by the russians or is a war crime is simply ludicrous. it defies credibility and all reason. there's photos of ukrainians medicos standing on the side of the pit when it was first being used, for dead people in body bags ..... it is as dangerous as hell to automatically believe what one is shown on social media and news reports during a war in a war zone. Syria included.
Post by Maplin
If so you're absolutely right that the whole appearance in the media of
the Russian invasion is totally distorted. But, they're right about one
thing, it's been a horrific and cruel way to run a war. I was expecting
the type of modern, precisely targeted operation that's over in a week,
and all the targets being critical institutions. But what's happening to
the cities and civilians is really shocking. Russia does have a long
history of using chaos against civilian targets, but I honestly expected
something more like the Iraq wars... a dagger in the heart of the
country, not this kind of Syria-style flattening of everything in sight.
I think the " modern, precisely targeted operations" only happen on tv. none of these wars are clean. they are heavily redacted for consumption imho. how much video have you seen of the us/saudi air strikes on yemen? or libya and in syria so on.
why do people assume the actions of the ukrianians causes no deaths or destruction of their own country? only assad does things like that? don't think so.
if our criminal justice system operated like political media hype about genocide war crimes who did what when in ukraine no one would be safe from false imprisonment anywhere.
the ' empire' and 'lies' truly rules the world today . apparently many really like it. i cannot see anything is going to stop it.
i believe the world has gone mad ..... those that rule it and the masses as well... especially in the west so dominated it is by empire.
as per
The Wise King
By Kahlil Gibran
Once there ruled in the distant city of Wirani a king who was both
mighty and wise. And he was feared for his might and loved for
his wisdom.
Now, in the heart of that city was a well, whose water was cool and
crystalline, from which all the inhabitants drank, even the king
and his courtiers; for there was no other well.
One night when all were asleep, a witch entered the city, and poured
seven drops of strange liquid into the well, and said, “From this
hour he who drinks this water shall become mad.”
Next morning all the inhabitants, save the king and his lord
chamberlain, drank from the well and became mad, even as the witch
had foretold.
And during that day the people in the narrow streets and in the
market places did naught but whisper to one another, “The king is
mad. Our king and his lord chamberlain have lost their reason.
Surely we cannot be ruled by a mad king. We must dethrone him.”
That evening the king ordered a golden goblet to be filled from the
well. And when it was brought to him he drank deeply, and gave it
to his lord chamberlain to drink.
And there was great rejoicing in that distant city of Wirani,
because its king and its lord chamberlain had regained their reason.
anyway .... shouldn't impact wa much, keep making music and ignore it is best.
cheers sean
No you're right of course, everything we see and read is all filtered
through someone's agenda. And yes, there's something inconsistent going
on with the footage of those mass graves. Of course war IS a messy,
dirty business and I guess there's no such thing as clean war. The
moment it starts, is a failure. It's never supposed to come to that.

WA is once again doing relatively well. The days of zero COVID were nice
but that ended by New Year. We're getting our wave now but even so, the
numbers aren't as out of control as we feared. People are dying but not
in the numbers they could have done. I guess having that chance to be
prepared was a help. I'm still glad it's not me having to make the big
decisions.

Last week I was able to get back to my live gigs, after just over a
month without. That's been a great feeling, doing what I enjoy for a
living again. Poor Melbourne is really the home of live music in
Australia, more so than Sydney, and they had the worst and longest
closures of all. I was worried there wouldn't be the crowds to make it
viable for the venues but we've actually been well attended, they should
be catching up with what they had to lose during that time.

I ordered yet more fancy mics and once again was lucky. I got what seems
to be the last matched pair of a type I really wanted and at a great
price. When I search for them now I can't find another pair in stock at
any supplier. I can't help thinking that they're going to have a hard
time getting any more stock out of Russia for a while; rightly or
wrongly they're not in the good books of world opinion. With sanctions
ratcheting up ever tighter I would expect the German distributor not to
be able to get much more stock.

It's amazing, I only sent the money just over 48 hours ago and the mics
just cleared customs in Perth after starting in Germany, and on Good
Friday too! Now I guess it'll be a week to travel the last 3 suburbs to
my place as before, never mind. I've been using the last ones I bought
in my live work and am amazed at what they can do. I bought them for the
new recording venture but for live music they give me a fresh sound for
rock bands that I just haven't heard on this small scale of show before.
It's a sound made fashionable by the rock revival of the early 2000's
and gives me a real advantage in my rather specialised trade. But more
importantly, it's just a pleasure. You know I love what I do, and here I
have this exciting and new facet of it to enjoy. I think the bands and
venues appreciate having someone who wants to do a good job and gets
involved, I just want to avoid what I call "grumpy old sound guy
syndrome". They can be difficult and unapproachable, I think because
it's easy to get jaded by too many years in the pubs with the drunks.
But I keep away from all that and just think about the music. To me it's
a privilege.

I've also been working installing the audio cabling in a friend's home
studio. He's a composer making music for TV, web ads and all sorts of
stuff, and he's young and positive and good at what he does. I met him
at my night job because he plays in a great little rock band on the
weekends. It's nice to work in good company doing something interesting
too. It's only a short job but a nice one to get.

Thanks Sean, hope you're keeping well. I appreciate our exchanges, here
we are with the whole world at our fingertips and mostly all I can find
is trolls, abuse and childishness. Who needs it, I say.
Henosis Sage
2022-04-16 00:43:00 UTC
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The truth rarely matters .. here's proof.
https://cf2r.org/documentation/la-situation-militaire-en-ukraine/
https://scheerpost.com/2022/04/09/former-nato-military-analyst-blows-the-whistle-on-wests-ukraine-invasion-narrative/
again reiterates how dysfunctional and corrupt (and incompetent as well) the MSM, news media, western media, social media and the extremely undemocratic western " democratic politics " has become.
the liars rule the day ... every day.
" Today we are in the management of perception, it is no longer the truth that matters ,”
"Americans will be able to access all the personal data of Europeans"
https://www-francesoir-fr.translate.goog/videos-lentretien-essentiel/eric-denece?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp
– Western intelligence ignored by policy makers
The military documents found with Ukrainian headquarters in the south of the country confirm that Ukraine was preparing to attack the Donbass [with 60,000 plus troops inside the ukraine held donbass sector ] and that the shots observed by OSCE observers from February 16 announced an imminent outbreak in the days when the weeks.
Here, a reflection is necessary for Westerners: either their intelligence services did not see what was happening and they are very bad, or the political decision-makers have chosen not to listen to them. We know that Russian intelligence services have far superior analytical capabilities than Western services. We also know that the American and German intelligence services had understood the situation very well since the end of 2021, and knew that Ukraine was preparing to attack Donbass.
This allows us to deduce that American and European political leaders deliberately pushed Ukraine into a conflict that they knew would be lost, for the sole purpose of dealing a political blow to Russia.
The reason Zelensky did not deploy his forces on the Russian border and repeatedly asserted that his larger neighbor would not attack him was presumably that he thought he was relying on Western deterrence. This is what he confided to CNN on March 20 : he was clearly told that Ukraine would not be part of NATO, but that publicly it seems the opposite! So Ukraine was exploited to affect Russia. The objective being the closure of the North Stream 2 gas pipeline, announced on February 8 by Joe Biden during the visit of Olaf Scholz and which was followed by a shower of sanctions.
https://cf2r-org.translate.goog/documentation/le-point-sur-la-situation-militaire-en-ukraine-au-25-mars-2022/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp
best read the whole article .... now 2 weeks out of date ...
those 60k plus ukrainian troops/militias are now surrounded by russian, chechen and donbass military ..... caught in a trap .... the western politicians ... especially the usa/nato are lying through their teeth ...
and do read this in full if want to know the truth and not the fiction
https://scheerpost.com/2022/04/09/former-nato-military-analyst-blows-the-whistle-on-wests-ukraine-invasion-narrative/
So to clarify... you believe this to mean that Russia's reason for
invading Ukraine was to prevent, or because of the threat of, Ukraine's
apparently imminent invasion of the Donbas region? (I'm assuming by
"Donbas/Donbass" the article means the short name for the Donets Basin area)
hey maplin, how goes it?
I can't know for sure of anything.
including russias specific reasons who what when why etc but the distorted massaged propaganda we've all been fed about ukraine is fairly clear to me. one doesn't need to dig very far to find the inconsistencies in the narrative. but helps to have solid grounding in the historical facts leading up to now and an ability to remain skeptical rather than having ones emotions manipulated by rhetoric and vision. hard to do ...
I guess it often depends on how much faith and belief people choose to place on the USA/nato/media pronouncements of what is.
because no matter how many times the US and the media have been caught out people continue to accept what they say at face value with nary a thought.
the idea that the mass grave in the church grounds is done by the russians or is a war crime is simply ludicrous. it defies credibility and all reason. there's photos of ukrainians medicos standing on the side of the pit when it was first being used, for dead people in body bags ..... it is as dangerous as hell to automatically believe what one is shown on social media and news reports during a war in a war zone. Syria included.
Post by Maplin
If so you're absolutely right that the whole appearance in the media of
the Russian invasion is totally distorted. But, they're right about one
thing, it's been a horrific and cruel way to run a war. I was expecting
the type of modern, precisely targeted operation that's over in a week,
and all the targets being critical institutions. But what's happening to
the cities and civilians is really shocking. Russia does have a long
history of using chaos against civilian targets, but I honestly expected
something more like the Iraq wars... a dagger in the heart of the
country, not this kind of Syria-style flattening of everything in sight.
I think the " modern, precisely targeted operations" only happen on tv. none of these wars are clean. they are heavily redacted for consumption imho. how much video have you seen of the us/saudi air strikes on yemen? or libya and in syria so on.
why do people assume the actions of the ukrianians causes no deaths or destruction of their own country? only assad does things like that? don't think so.
if our criminal justice system operated like political media hype about genocide war crimes who did what when in ukraine no one would be safe from false imprisonment anywhere.
the ' empire' and 'lies' truly rules the world today . apparently many really like it. i cannot see anything is going to stop it.
i believe the world has gone mad ..... those that rule it and the masses as well... especially in the west so dominated it is by empire.
as per
The Wise King
By Kahlil Gibran
Once there ruled in the distant city of Wirani a king who was both
mighty and wise. And he was feared for his might and loved for
his wisdom.
Now, in the heart of that city was a well, whose water was cool and
crystalline, from which all the inhabitants drank, even the king
and his courtiers; for there was no other well.
One night when all were asleep, a witch entered the city, and poured
seven drops of strange liquid into the well, and said, “From this
hour he who drinks this water shall become mad.”
Next morning all the inhabitants, save the king and his lord
chamberlain, drank from the well and became mad, even as the witch
had foretold.
And during that day the people in the narrow streets and in the
market places did naught but whisper to one another, “The king is
mad. Our king and his lord chamberlain have lost their reason.
Surely we cannot be ruled by a mad king. We must dethrone him.”
That evening the king ordered a golden goblet to be filled from the
well. And when it was brought to him he drank deeply, and gave it
to his lord chamberlain to drink.
And there was great rejoicing in that distant city of Wirani,
because its king and its lord chamberlain had regained their reason.
anyway .... shouldn't impact wa much, keep making music and ignore it is best.
cheers sean
No you're right of course, everything we see and read is all filtered
through someone's agenda. And yes, there's something inconsistent going
on with the footage of those mass graves. Of course war IS a messy,
dirty business and I guess there's no such thing as clean war. The
moment it starts, is a failure. It's never supposed to come to that.
WA is once again doing relatively well. The days of zero COVID were nice
but that ended by New Year. We're getting our wave now but even so, the
numbers aren't as out of control as we feared. People are dying but not
in the numbers they could have done. I guess having that chance to be
prepared was a help. I'm still glad it's not me having to make the big
decisions.
Last week I was able to get back to my live gigs, after just over a
month without. That's been a great feeling, doing what I enjoy for a
living again. Poor Melbourne is really the home of live music in
Australia, more so than Sydney, and they had the worst and longest
closures of all. I was worried there wouldn't be the crowds to make it
viable for the venues but we've actually been well attended, they should
be catching up with what they had to lose during that time.
I ordered yet more fancy mics and once again was lucky. I got what seems
to be the last matched pair of a type I really wanted and at a great
price. When I search for them now I can't find another pair in stock at
any supplier. I can't help thinking that they're going to have a hard
time getting any more stock out of Russia for a while; rightly or
wrongly they're not in the good books of world opinion. With sanctions
ratcheting up ever tighter I would expect the German distributor not to
be able to get much more stock.
It's amazing, I only sent the money just over 48 hours ago and the mics
just cleared customs in Perth after starting in Germany, and on Good
Friday too! Now I guess it'll be a week to travel the last 3 suburbs to
my place as before, never mind. I've been using the last ones I bought
in my live work and am amazed at what they can do. I bought them for the
new recording venture but for live music they give me a fresh sound for
rock bands that I just haven't heard on this small scale of show before.
It's a sound made fashionable by the rock revival of the early 2000's
and gives me a real advantage in my rather specialised trade. But more
importantly, it's just a pleasure. You know I love what I do, and here I
have this exciting and new facet of it to enjoy. I think the bands and
venues appreciate having someone who wants to do a good job and gets
involved, I just want to avoid what I call "grumpy old sound guy
syndrome". They can be difficult and unapproachable, I think because
it's easy to get jaded by too many years in the pubs with the drunks.
But I keep away from all that and just think about the music. To me it's
a privilege.
I've also been working installing the audio cabling in a friend's home
studio. He's a composer making music for TV, web ads and all sorts of
stuff, and he's young and positive and good at what he does. I met him
at my night job because he plays in a great little rock band on the
weekends. It's nice to work in good company doing something interesting
too. It's only a short job but a nice one to get.
Thanks Sean, hope you're keeping well. I appreciate our exchanges, here
we are with the whole world at our fingertips and mostly all I can find
is trolls, abuse and childishness. Who needs it, I say.
i'm pleased to hear everything is going so well, enjoy and i hope those mins are up to expectations. :-)

the internet can be downer for sure. people take things too seriously re different opinions and different levels of knowledge etc, i too have my bad days get overreactive at times it can become really frustrating especially when people tell you what you mean think believe and they are totally off base (its as if they cannot read at times ... or didn't bother care either way)

anyway thats the way it is ; cheers maplin, all the best.
Henosis Sage
2022-04-16 02:12:43 UTC
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The truth rarely matters .. here's proof.
https://cf2r.org/documentation/la-situation-militaire-en-ukraine/
https://scheerpost.com/2022/04/09/former-nato-military-analyst-blows-the-whistle-on-wests-ukraine-invasion-narrative/
again reiterates how dysfunctional and corrupt (and incompetent as well) the MSM, news media, western media, social media and the extremely undemocratic western " democratic politics " has become.
the liars rule the day ... every day.
" Today we are in the management of perception, it is no longer the truth that matters ,”
"Americans will be able to access all the personal data of Europeans"
https://www-francesoir-fr.translate.goog/videos-lentretien-essentiel/eric-denece?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp
– Western intelligence ignored by policy makers
The military documents found with Ukrainian headquarters in the south of the country confirm that Ukraine was preparing to attack the Donbass [with 60,000 plus troops inside the ukraine held donbass sector ] and that the shots observed by OSCE observers from February 16 announced an imminent outbreak in the days when the weeks.
Here, a reflection is necessary for Westerners: either their intelligence services did not see what was happening and they are very bad, or the political decision-makers have chosen not to listen to them. We know that Russian intelligence services have far superior analytical capabilities than Western services. We also know that the American and German intelligence services had understood the situation very well since the end of 2021, and knew that Ukraine was preparing to attack Donbass.
This allows us to deduce that American and European political leaders deliberately pushed Ukraine into a conflict that they knew would be lost, for the sole purpose of dealing a political blow to Russia.
The reason Zelensky did not deploy his forces on the Russian border and repeatedly asserted that his larger neighbor would not attack him was presumably that he thought he was relying on Western deterrence. This is what he confided to CNN on March 20 : he was clearly told that Ukraine would not be part of NATO, but that publicly it seems the opposite! So Ukraine was exploited to affect Russia. The objective being the closure of the North Stream 2 gas pipeline, announced on February 8 by Joe Biden during the visit of Olaf Scholz and which was followed by a shower of sanctions.
https://cf2r-org.translate.goog/documentation/le-point-sur-la-situation-militaire-en-ukraine-au-25-mars-2022/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp
best read the whole article .... now 2 weeks out of date ...
those 60k plus ukrainian troops/militias are now surrounded by russian, chechen and donbass military ..... caught in a trap .... the western politicians ... especially the usa/nato are lying through their teeth ...
and do read this in full if want to know the truth and not the fiction
https://scheerpost.com/2022/04/09/former-nato-military-analyst-blows-the-whistle-on-wests-ukraine-invasion-narrative/
So to clarify... you believe this to mean that Russia's reason for
invading Ukraine was to prevent, or because of the threat of, Ukraine's
apparently imminent invasion of the Donbas region? (I'm assuming by
"Donbas/Donbass" the article means the short name for the Donets Basin area)
hey maplin, how goes it?
I can't know for sure of anything.
including russias specific reasons who what when why etc but the distorted massaged propaganda we've all been fed about ukraine is fairly clear to me. one doesn't need to dig very far to find the inconsistencies in the narrative. but helps to have solid grounding in the historical facts leading up to now and an ability to remain skeptical rather than having ones emotions manipulated by rhetoric and vision. hard to do ...
I guess it often depends on how much faith and belief people choose to place on the USA/nato/media pronouncements of what is.
because no matter how many times the US and the media have been caught out people continue to accept what they say at face value with nary a thought.
the idea that the mass grave in the church grounds is done by the russians or is a war crime is simply ludicrous. it defies credibility and all reason. there's photos of ukrainians medicos standing on the side of the pit when it was first being used, for dead people in body bags ..... it is as dangerous as hell to automatically believe what one is shown on social media and news reports during a war in a war zone. Syria included.
Post by Maplin
If so you're absolutely right that the whole appearance in the media of
the Russian invasion is totally distorted. But, they're right about one
thing, it's been a horrific and cruel way to run a war. I was expecting
the type of modern, precisely targeted operation that's over in a week,
and all the targets being critical institutions. But what's happening to
the cities and civilians is really shocking. Russia does have a long
history of using chaos against civilian targets, but I honestly expected
something more like the Iraq wars... a dagger in the heart of the
country, not this kind of Syria-style flattening of everything in sight.
I think the " modern, precisely targeted operations" only happen on tv. none of these wars are clean. they are heavily redacted for consumption imho. how much video have you seen of the us/saudi air strikes on yemen? or libya and in syria so on.
why do people assume the actions of the ukrianians causes no deaths or destruction of their own country? only assad does things like that? don't think so.
if our criminal justice system operated like political media hype about genocide war crimes who did what when in ukraine no one would be safe from false imprisonment anywhere.
the ' empire' and 'lies' truly rules the world today . apparently many really like it. i cannot see anything is going to stop it.
i believe the world has gone mad ..... those that rule it and the masses as well... especially in the west so dominated it is by empire.
as per
The Wise King
By Kahlil Gibran
Once there ruled in the distant city of Wirani a king who was both
mighty and wise. And he was feared for his might and loved for
his wisdom.
Now, in the heart of that city was a well, whose water was cool and
crystalline, from which all the inhabitants drank, even the king
and his courtiers; for there was no other well.
One night when all were asleep, a witch entered the city, and poured
seven drops of strange liquid into the well, and said, “From this
hour he who drinks this water shall become mad.”
Next morning all the inhabitants, save the king and his lord
chamberlain, drank from the well and became mad, even as the witch
had foretold.
And during that day the people in the narrow streets and in the
market places did naught but whisper to one another, “The king is
mad. Our king and his lord chamberlain have lost their reason.
Surely we cannot be ruled by a mad king. We must dethrone him.”
That evening the king ordered a golden goblet to be filled from the
well. And when it was brought to him he drank deeply, and gave it
to his lord chamberlain to drink.
And there was great rejoicing in that distant city of Wirani,
because its king and its lord chamberlain had regained their reason.
anyway .... shouldn't impact wa much, keep making music and ignore it is best.
cheers sean
No you're right of course, everything we see and read is all filtered
through someone's agenda. And yes, there's something inconsistent going
on with the footage of those mass graves. Of course war IS a messy,
dirty business and I guess there's no such thing as clean war. The
moment it starts, is a failure. It's never supposed to come to that.
WA is once again doing relatively well. The days of zero COVID were nice
but that ended by New Year. We're getting our wave now but even so, the
numbers aren't as out of control as we feared. People are dying but not
in the numbers they could have done. I guess having that chance to be
prepared was a help. I'm still glad it's not me having to make the big
decisions.
Last week I was able to get back to my live gigs, after just over a
month without. That's been a great feeling, doing what I enjoy for a
living again. Poor Melbourne is really the home of live music in
Australia, more so than Sydney, and they had the worst and longest
closures of all. I was worried there wouldn't be the crowds to make it
viable for the venues but we've actually been well attended, they should
be catching up with what they had to lose during that time.
I ordered yet more fancy mics and once again was lucky. I got what seems
to be the last matched pair of a type I really wanted and at a great
price. When I search for them now I can't find another pair in stock at
any supplier. I can't help thinking that they're going to have a hard
time getting any more stock out of Russia for a while; rightly or
wrongly they're not in the good books of world opinion. With sanctions
ratcheting up ever tighter I would expect the German distributor not to
be able to get much more stock.
It's amazing, I only sent the money just over 48 hours ago and the mics
just cleared customs in Perth after starting in Germany, and on Good
Friday too! Now I guess it'll be a week to travel the last 3 suburbs to
my place as before, never mind. I've been using the last ones I bought
in my live work and am amazed at what they can do. I bought them for the
new recording venture but for live music they give me a fresh sound for
rock bands that I just haven't heard on this small scale of show before.
It's a sound made fashionable by the rock revival of the early 2000's
and gives me a real advantage in my rather specialised trade. But more
importantly, it's just a pleasure. You know I love what I do, and here I
have this exciting and new facet of it to enjoy. I think the bands and
venues appreciate having someone who wants to do a good job and gets
involved, I just want to avoid what I call "grumpy old sound guy
syndrome". They can be difficult and unapproachable, I think because
it's easy to get jaded by too many years in the pubs with the drunks.
But I keep away from all that and just think about the music. To me it's
a privilege.
I've also been working installing the audio cabling in a friend's home
studio. He's a composer making music for TV, web ads and all sorts of
stuff, and he's young and positive and good at what he does. I met him
at my night job because he plays in a great little rock band on the
weekends. It's nice to work in good company doing something interesting
too. It's only a short job but a nice one to get.
Thanks Sean, hope you're keeping well. I appreciate our exchanges, here
we are with the whole world at our fingertips and mostly all I can find
is trolls, abuse and childishness. Who needs it, I say.
i'm pleased to hear everything is going so well, enjoy and i hope those mins are up to expectations. :-)
the internet can be downer for sure. people take things too seriously re different opinions and different levels of knowledge etc, i too have my bad days get overreactive at times it can become really frustrating especially when people tell you what you mean think believe and they are totally off base (its as if they cannot read at times ... or didn't bother care either way)
anyway thats the way it is ; cheers maplin, all the best.
FWIW this is reasonable summary by Greewald of what some quarters find most disturbing about the usa/west/empire vs russia in ukraine ....

Glenn Greenwald: The Censorship Campaign Against Western Criticism of NATO’s Ukraine Policy Is Extreme
Preventing populations from asking who benefits from a protracted proxy war, and who pays the price, is paramount. A closed propaganda system achieves that.
If one wishes to be exposed to news, information or perspective that contravenes the prevailing US/NATO view on the war in Ukraine, a rigorous search is required. And there is no guarantee that search will succeed. That is because the state/corporate censorship regime that has been imposed in the West with regard to this war is stunningly aggressive, rapid and comprehensive.
https://scheerpost.com/2022/04/13/glenn-greenwald-the-censorship-campaign-against-western-criticism-of-natos-ukraine-policy-is-extreme/

knowing where to go is the first thing to know, but most folks do not have the time to do this in real time. anyway fwiw, but it is like some people find what's being done to julian assange disturbing while others do not. Never the Twain shall meet.

eg It’s Obvious Who Gains From Bucha Massacre But There’s Hardly Any Media Left To Say It
The big difference now, however, is that Western propaganda has near-total dominance because all other critical, independent sources have been silenced or blackballed.
The criminalization of independent journalism as the persecution of Julian Assange prefigured is now bearing evil fruit.
https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2022/04/06/its-obvious-who-gains-from-bucha-massacre-but-there-hardly-any-media-left-to-say-it/

and
In one sense, I don’t have much to say about the newest chapter in the eight-year-old American war against the people of Ukraine – nothing that you can’t learn from an array of sources as politically diverse as George Galloway and Peter Hitchens, Tariq Ali and John Mearsheimer.

After all, the facts really aren’t complicated. Russia’s recent invasion, far from being “unprovoked” (as shamelessly claimed in mainstream media), follows eight years of the US-backed Ukrainian regime’s deadly shelling of ethnic Russians near the border of Russia itself, in fighting that has killed more than 13,000 civilians in territory Vladimir Putin’s administration pledged to protect long ago.

And that carnage had a fairly obvious cause, too: it was precipitated by the US-supported coup that toppled Ukraine’s elected government in 2014, ostensibly because of human rights abuses but more fundamentally because that government had refused to convert the former Soviet republic into a vassal state of NATO.

The machinations resulting in what is now called the “Maidan coup” destroyed Ukraine’s neutrality between Russia and the West, unleashing in its stead a violent and bigotednationalist movement for which the inhabitants of the Don River basin, mostly ethnic Russians, have been paying with their lives ever since.
https://off-guardian.org/2022/04/09/ukraine-a-new-battle-in-the-old-war-of-the-new-normal/

plus

Kim Dotcom @KimDotcom
Apr 8
The US proxy war in Ukraine explained for dummies:
4 hours of your time.
A lifetime of wisdom.
https://de.nttr.stream/KimDotcom/status/1512486639687581696#m

Twitter IS "State-Affiliated Media"
by aussie Caitlin Johnstone
https://caitlinjohnstone.substack.com/p/twitter-is-state-affiliated-media?s=r

and yet people here label me Crazy? far out man!
Henosis Sage
2022-04-16 02:23:07 UTC
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The truth rarely matters .. here's proof.
https://cf2r.org/documentation/la-situation-militaire-en-ukraine/
https://scheerpost.com/2022/04/09/former-nato-military-analyst-blows-the-whistle-on-wests-ukraine-invasion-narrative/
again reiterates how dysfunctional and corrupt (and incompetent as well) the MSM, news media, western media, social media and the extremely undemocratic western " democratic politics " has become.
the liars rule the day ... every day.
" Today we are in the management of perception, it is no longer the truth that matters ,”
"Americans will be able to access all the personal data of Europeans"
https://www-francesoir-fr.translate.goog/videos-lentretien-essentiel/eric-denece?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp
– Western intelligence ignored by policy makers
The military documents found with Ukrainian headquarters in the south of the country confirm that Ukraine was preparing to attack the Donbass [with 60,000 plus troops inside the ukraine held donbass sector ] and that the shots observed by OSCE observers from February 16 announced an imminent outbreak in the days when the weeks.
Here, a reflection is necessary for Westerners: either their intelligence services did not see what was happening and they are very bad, or the political decision-makers have chosen not to listen to them. We know that Russian intelligence services have far superior analytical capabilities than Western services. We also know that the American and German intelligence services had understood the situation very well since the end of 2021, and knew that Ukraine was preparing to attack Donbass.
This allows us to deduce that American and European political leaders deliberately pushed Ukraine into a conflict that they knew would be lost, for the sole purpose of dealing a political blow to Russia.
The reason Zelensky did not deploy his forces on the Russian border and repeatedly asserted that his larger neighbor would not attack him was presumably that he thought he was relying on Western deterrence. This is what he confided to CNN on March 20 : he was clearly told that Ukraine would not be part of NATO, but that publicly it seems the opposite! So Ukraine was exploited to affect Russia. The objective being the closure of the North Stream 2 gas pipeline, announced on February 8 by Joe Biden during the visit of Olaf Scholz and which was followed by a shower of sanctions.
https://cf2r-org.translate.goog/documentation/le-point-sur-la-situation-militaire-en-ukraine-au-25-mars-2022/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp
best read the whole article .... now 2 weeks out of date ...
those 60k plus ukrainian troops/militias are now surrounded by russian, chechen and donbass military ..... caught in a trap .... the western politicians ... especially the usa/nato are lying through their teeth ...
and do read this in full if want to know the truth and not the fiction
https://scheerpost.com/2022/04/09/former-nato-military-analyst-blows-the-whistle-on-wests-ukraine-invasion-narrative/
So to clarify... you believe this to mean that Russia's reason for
invading Ukraine was to prevent, or because of the threat of, Ukraine's
apparently imminent invasion of the Donbas region? (I'm assuming by
"Donbas/Donbass" the article means the short name for the Donets Basin area)
hey maplin, how goes it?
I can't know for sure of anything.
including russias specific reasons who what when why etc but the distorted massaged propaganda we've all been fed about ukraine is fairly clear to me. one doesn't need to dig very far to find the inconsistencies in the narrative. but helps to have solid grounding in the historical facts leading up to now and an ability to remain skeptical rather than having ones emotions manipulated by rhetoric and vision. hard to do ...
I guess it often depends on how much faith and belief people choose to place on the USA/nato/media pronouncements of what is.
because no matter how many times the US and the media have been caught out people continue to accept what they say at face value with nary a thought.
the idea that the mass grave in the church grounds is done by the russians or is a war crime is simply ludicrous. it defies credibility and all reason. there's photos of ukrainians medicos standing on the side of the pit when it was first being used, for dead people in body bags ..... it is as dangerous as hell to automatically believe what one is shown on social media and news reports during a war in a war zone. Syria included.
Post by Maplin
If so you're absolutely right that the whole appearance in the media of
the Russian invasion is totally distorted. But, they're right about one
thing, it's been a horrific and cruel way to run a war. I was expecting
the type of modern, precisely targeted operation that's over in a week,
and all the targets being critical institutions. But what's happening to
the cities and civilians is really shocking. Russia does have a long
history of using chaos against civilian targets, but I honestly expected
something more like the Iraq wars... a dagger in the heart of the
country, not this kind of Syria-style flattening of everything in sight.
I think the " modern, precisely targeted operations" only happen on tv. none of these wars are clean. they are heavily redacted for consumption imho. how much video have you seen of the us/saudi air strikes on yemen? or libya and in syria so on.
why do people assume the actions of the ukrianians causes no deaths or destruction of their own country? only assad does things like that? don't think so.
if our criminal justice system operated like political media hype about genocide war crimes who did what when in ukraine no one would be safe from false imprisonment anywhere.
the ' empire' and 'lies' truly rules the world today . apparently many really like it. i cannot see anything is going to stop it.
i believe the world has gone mad ..... those that rule it and the masses as well... especially in the west so dominated it is by empire.
as per
The Wise King
By Kahlil Gibran
Once there ruled in the distant city of Wirani a king who was both
mighty and wise. And he was feared for his might and loved for
his wisdom.
Now, in the heart of that city was a well, whose water was cool and
crystalline, from which all the inhabitants drank, even the king
and his courtiers; for there was no other well.
One night when all were asleep, a witch entered the city, and poured
seven drops of strange liquid into the well, and said, “From this
hour he who drinks this water shall become mad.”
Next morning all the inhabitants, save the king and his lord
chamberlain, drank from the well and became mad, even as the witch
had foretold.
And during that day the people in the narrow streets and in the
market places did naught but whisper to one another, “The king is
mad. Our king and his lord chamberlain have lost their reason.
Surely we cannot be ruled by a mad king. We must dethrone him.”
That evening the king ordered a golden goblet to be filled from the
well. And when it was brought to him he drank deeply, and gave it
to his lord chamberlain to drink.
And there was great rejoicing in that distant city of Wirani,
because its king and its lord chamberlain had regained their reason.
anyway .... shouldn't impact wa much, keep making music and ignore it is best.
cheers sean
No you're right of course, everything we see and read is all filtered
through someone's agenda. And yes, there's something inconsistent going
on with the footage of those mass graves. Of course war IS a messy,
dirty business and I guess there's no such thing as clean war. The
moment it starts, is a failure. It's never supposed to come to that.
WA is once again doing relatively well. The days of zero COVID were nice
but that ended by New Year. We're getting our wave now but even so, the
numbers aren't as out of control as we feared. People are dying but not
in the numbers they could have done. I guess having that chance to be
prepared was a help. I'm still glad it's not me having to make the big
decisions.
Last week I was able to get back to my live gigs, after just over a
month without. That's been a great feeling, doing what I enjoy for a
living again. Poor Melbourne is really the home of live music in
Australia, more so than Sydney, and they had the worst and longest
closures of all. I was worried there wouldn't be the crowds to make it
viable for the venues but we've actually been well attended, they should
be catching up with what they had to lose during that time.
I ordered yet more fancy mics and once again was lucky. I got what seems
to be the last matched pair of a type I really wanted and at a great
price. When I search for them now I can't find another pair in stock at
any supplier. I can't help thinking that they're going to have a hard
time getting any more stock out of Russia for a while; rightly or
wrongly they're not in the good books of world opinion. With sanctions
ratcheting up ever tighter I would expect the German distributor not to
be able to get much more stock.
It's amazing, I only sent the money just over 48 hours ago and the mics
just cleared customs in Perth after starting in Germany, and on Good
Friday too! Now I guess it'll be a week to travel the last 3 suburbs to
my place as before, never mind. I've been using the last ones I bought
in my live work and am amazed at what they can do. I bought them for the
new recording venture but for live music they give me a fresh sound for
rock bands that I just haven't heard on this small scale of show before.
It's a sound made fashionable by the rock revival of the early 2000's
and gives me a real advantage in my rather specialised trade. But more
importantly, it's just a pleasure. You know I love what I do, and here I
have this exciting and new facet of it to enjoy. I think the bands and
venues appreciate having someone who wants to do a good job and gets
involved, I just want to avoid what I call "grumpy old sound guy
syndrome". They can be difficult and unapproachable, I think because
it's easy to get jaded by too many years in the pubs with the drunks.
But I keep away from all that and just think about the music. To me it's
a privilege.
I've also been working installing the audio cabling in a friend's home
studio. He's a composer making music for TV, web ads and all sorts of
stuff, and he's young and positive and good at what he does. I met him
at my night job because he plays in a great little rock band on the
weekends. It's nice to work in good company doing something interesting
too. It's only a short job but a nice one to get.
Thanks Sean, hope you're keeping well. I appreciate our exchanges, here
we are with the whole world at our fingertips and mostly all I can find
is trolls, abuse and childishness. Who needs it, I say.
i'm pleased to hear everything is going so well, enjoy and i hope those mins are up to expectations. :-)
the internet can be downer for sure. people take things too seriously re different opinions and different levels of knowledge etc, i too have my bad days get overreactive at times it can become really frustrating especially when people tell you what you mean think believe and they are totally off base (its as if they cannot read at times ... or didn't bother care either way)
anyway thats the way it is ; cheers maplin, all the best.
FWIW this is reasonable summary by Greewald of what some quarters find most disturbing about the usa/west/empire vs russia in ukraine ....
Glenn Greenwald: The Censorship Campaign Against Western Criticism of NATO’s Ukraine Policy Is Extreme
Preventing populations from asking who benefits from a protracted proxy war, and who pays the price, is paramount. A closed propaganda system achieves that.
If one wishes to be exposed to news, information or perspective that contravenes the prevailing US/NATO view on the war in Ukraine, a rigorous search is required. And there is no guarantee that search will succeed. That is because the state/corporate censorship regime that has been imposed in the West with regard to this war is stunningly aggressive, rapid and comprehensive.
https://scheerpost.com/2022/04/13/glenn-greenwald-the-censorship-campaign-against-western-criticism-of-natos-ukraine-policy-is-extreme/
knowing where to go is the first thing to know, but most folks do not have the time to do this in real time. anyway fwiw, but it is like some people find what's being done to julian assange disturbing while others do not. Never the Twain shall meet.
eg It’s Obvious Who Gains From Bucha Massacre But There’s Hardly Any Media Left To Say It
The big difference now, however, is that Western propaganda has near-total dominance because all other critical, independent sources have been silenced or blackballed.
The criminalization of independent journalism as the persecution of Julian Assange prefigured is now bearing evil fruit.
https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2022/04/06/its-obvious-who-gains-from-bucha-massacre-but-there-hardly-any-media-left-to-say-it/
and
In one sense, I don’t have much to say about the newest chapter in the eight-year-old American war against the people of Ukraine – nothing that you can’t learn from an array of sources as politically diverse as George Galloway and Peter Hitchens, Tariq Ali and John Mearsheimer.
After all, the facts really aren’t complicated. Russia’s recent invasion, far from being “unprovoked” (as shamelessly claimed in mainstream media), follows eight years of the US-backed Ukrainian regime’s deadly shelling of ethnic Russians near the border of Russia itself, in fighting that has killed more than 13,000 civilians in territory Vladimir Putin’s administration pledged to protect long ago.
And that carnage had a fairly obvious cause, too: it was precipitated by the US-supported coup that toppled Ukraine’s elected government in 2014, ostensibly because of human rights abuses but more fundamentally because that government had refused to convert the former Soviet republic into a vassal state of NATO.
The machinations resulting in what is now called the “Maidan coup” destroyed Ukraine’s neutrality between Russia and the West, unleashing in its stead a violent and bigotednationalist movement for which the inhabitants of the Don River basin, mostly ethnic Russians, have been paying with their lives ever since.
https://off-guardian.org/2022/04/09/ukraine-a-new-battle-in-the-old-war-of-the-new-normal/
plus
Apr 8
4 hours of your time.
A lifetime of wisdom.
https://de.nttr.stream/KimDotcom/status/1512486639687581696#m
Twitter IS "State-Affiliated Media"
by aussie Caitlin Johnstone
https://caitlinjohnstone.substack.com/p/twitter-is-state-affiliated-media?s=r
and yet people here label me Crazy? far out man!
ps more info from an expert on the subject .... prof. John Mearsheimer.

Mearsheimer: Many say that "Putin invaded Ukraine because he wants to conquer it & integrate it into a greater Russia. Putin is interested in recreating the Soviet Union." This all is nonsense, there is no evidence to support that. This is all about NATO expansion.
Chicago University professor said that the US has been trying to turn Ukraine into a de facto member of NATO and Russia views this as an existential threat. Mearsheimer also explained who stands to gain most from the war.
23 minutes


Why Leaders Lie: The Truth About Lying in International Politics with John Mearsheimer
5.1M views 10 years ago
The University of Chicago
John Mearsheimer, professor of Political Science at the University of Chicago, provides the first systematic analysis of lying as a tool of statecraft. He identifies the varieties, the reasons, and the potential costs and benefits, arguing that leaders often lie for good strategic reasons, while distinguishing between lying to another state and lying to one's own people.

John Mearsheimer is also the co-director of the Program on International Security Policy at the University of Chicago and has written extensively about security issues and international politics.

Henosis Sage
2022-04-16 02:31:29 UTC
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The truth rarely matters .. here's proof.
https://cf2r.org/documentation/la-situation-militaire-en-ukraine/
https://scheerpost.com/2022/04/09/former-nato-military-analyst-blows-the-whistle-on-wests-ukraine-invasion-narrative/
again reiterates how dysfunctional and corrupt (and incompetent as well) the MSM, news media, western media, social media and the extremely undemocratic western " democratic politics " has become.
the liars rule the day ... every day.
" Today we are in the management of perception, it is no longer the truth that matters ,”
"Americans will be able to access all the personal data of Europeans"
https://www-francesoir-fr.translate.goog/videos-lentretien-essentiel/eric-denece?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp
– Western intelligence ignored by policy makers
The military documents found with Ukrainian headquarters in the south of the country confirm that Ukraine was preparing to attack the Donbass [with 60,000 plus troops inside the ukraine held donbass sector ] and that the shots observed by OSCE observers from February 16 announced an imminent outbreak in the days when the weeks.
Here, a reflection is necessary for Westerners: either their intelligence services did not see what was happening and they are very bad, or the political decision-makers have chosen not to listen to them. We know that Russian intelligence services have far superior analytical capabilities than Western services. We also know that the American and German intelligence services had understood the situation very well since the end of 2021, and knew that Ukraine was preparing to attack Donbass.
This allows us to deduce that American and European political leaders deliberately pushed Ukraine into a conflict that they knew would be lost, for the sole purpose of dealing a political blow to Russia.
The reason Zelensky did not deploy his forces on the Russian border and repeatedly asserted that his larger neighbor would not attack him was presumably that he thought he was relying on Western deterrence. This is what he confided to CNN on March 20 : he was clearly told that Ukraine would not be part of NATO, but that publicly it seems the opposite! So Ukraine was exploited to affect Russia. The objective being the closure of the North Stream 2 gas pipeline, announced on February 8 by Joe Biden during the visit of Olaf Scholz and which was followed by a shower of sanctions.
https://cf2r-org.translate.goog/documentation/le-point-sur-la-situation-militaire-en-ukraine-au-25-mars-2022/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp
best read the whole article .... now 2 weeks out of date ...
those 60k plus ukrainian troops/militias are now surrounded by russian, chechen and donbass military ..... caught in a trap .... the western politicians ... especially the usa/nato are lying through their teeth ...
and do read this in full if want to know the truth and not the fiction
https://scheerpost.com/2022/04/09/former-nato-military-analyst-blows-the-whistle-on-wests-ukraine-invasion-narrative/
So to clarify... you believe this to mean that Russia's reason for
invading Ukraine was to prevent, or because of the threat of, Ukraine's
apparently imminent invasion of the Donbas region? (I'm assuming by
"Donbas/Donbass" the article means the short name for the Donets Basin area)
hey maplin, how goes it?
I can't know for sure of anything.
including russias specific reasons who what when why etc but the distorted massaged propaganda we've all been fed about ukraine is fairly clear to me. one doesn't need to dig very far to find the inconsistencies in the narrative. but helps to have solid grounding in the historical facts leading up to now and an ability to remain skeptical rather than having ones emotions manipulated by rhetoric and vision. hard to do ...
I guess it often depends on how much faith and belief people choose to place on the USA/nato/media pronouncements of what is.
because no matter how many times the US and the media have been caught out people continue to accept what they say at face value with nary a thought.
the idea that the mass grave in the church grounds is done by the russians or is a war crime is simply ludicrous. it defies credibility and all reason. there's photos of ukrainians medicos standing on the side of the pit when it was first being used, for dead people in body bags ..... it is as dangerous as hell to automatically believe what one is shown on social media and news reports during a war in a war zone. Syria included.
Post by Maplin
If so you're absolutely right that the whole appearance in the media of
the Russian invasion is totally distorted. But, they're right about one
thing, it's been a horrific and cruel way to run a war. I was expecting
the type of modern, precisely targeted operation that's over in a week,
and all the targets being critical institutions. But what's happening to
the cities and civilians is really shocking. Russia does have a long
history of using chaos against civilian targets, but I honestly expected
something more like the Iraq wars... a dagger in the heart of the
country, not this kind of Syria-style flattening of everything in sight.
I think the " modern, precisely targeted operations" only happen on tv. none of these wars are clean. they are heavily redacted for consumption imho. how much video have you seen of the us/saudi air strikes on yemen? or libya and in syria so on.
why do people assume the actions of the ukrianians causes no deaths or destruction of their own country? only assad does things like that? don't think so.
if our criminal justice system operated like political media hype about genocide war crimes who did what when in ukraine no one would be safe from false imprisonment anywhere.
the ' empire' and 'lies' truly rules the world today . apparently many really like it. i cannot see anything is going to stop it.
i believe the world has gone mad ..... those that rule it and the masses as well... especially in the west so dominated it is by empire.
as per
The Wise King
By Kahlil Gibran
Once there ruled in the distant city of Wirani a king who was both
mighty and wise. And he was feared for his might and loved for
his wisdom.
Now, in the heart of that city was a well, whose water was cool and
crystalline, from which all the inhabitants drank, even the king
and his courtiers; for there was no other well.
One night when all were asleep, a witch entered the city, and poured
seven drops of strange liquid into the well, and said, “From this
hour he who drinks this water shall become mad.”
Next morning all the inhabitants, save the king and his lord
chamberlain, drank from the well and became mad, even as the witch
had foretold.
And during that day the people in the narrow streets and in the
market places did naught but whisper to one another, “The king is
mad. Our king and his lord chamberlain have lost their reason.
Surely we cannot be ruled by a mad king. We must dethrone him.”
That evening the king ordered a golden goblet to be filled from the
well. And when it was brought to him he drank deeply, and gave it
to his lord chamberlain to drink.
And there was great rejoicing in that distant city of Wirani,
because its king and its lord chamberlain had regained their reason.
anyway .... shouldn't impact wa much, keep making music and ignore it is best.
cheers sean
No you're right of course, everything we see and read is all filtered
through someone's agenda. And yes, there's something inconsistent going
on with the footage of those mass graves. Of course war IS a messy,
dirty business and I guess there's no such thing as clean war. The
moment it starts, is a failure. It's never supposed to come to that.
WA is once again doing relatively well. The days of zero COVID were nice
but that ended by New Year. We're getting our wave now but even so, the
numbers aren't as out of control as we feared. People are dying but not
in the numbers they could have done. I guess having that chance to be
prepared was a help. I'm still glad it's not me having to make the big
decisions.
Last week I was able to get back to my live gigs, after just over a
month without. That's been a great feeling, doing what I enjoy for a
living again. Poor Melbourne is really the home of live music in
Australia, more so than Sydney, and they had the worst and longest
closures of all. I was worried there wouldn't be the crowds to make it
viable for the venues but we've actually been well attended, they should
be catching up with what they had to lose during that time.
I ordered yet more fancy mics and once again was lucky. I got what seems
to be the last matched pair of a type I really wanted and at a great
price. When I search for them now I can't find another pair in stock at
any supplier. I can't help thinking that they're going to have a hard
time getting any more stock out of Russia for a while; rightly or
wrongly they're not in the good books of world opinion. With sanctions
ratcheting up ever tighter I would expect the German distributor not to
be able to get much more stock.
It's amazing, I only sent the money just over 48 hours ago and the mics
just cleared customs in Perth after starting in Germany, and on Good
Friday too! Now I guess it'll be a week to travel the last 3 suburbs to
my place as before, never mind. I've been using the last ones I bought
in my live work and am amazed at what they can do. I bought them for the
new recording venture but for live music they give me a fresh sound for
rock bands that I just haven't heard on this small scale of show before.
It's a sound made fashionable by the rock revival of the early 2000's
and gives me a real advantage in my rather specialised trade. But more
importantly, it's just a pleasure. You know I love what I do, and here I
have this exciting and new facet of it to enjoy. I think the bands and
venues appreciate having someone who wants to do a good job and gets
involved, I just want to avoid what I call "grumpy old sound guy
syndrome". They can be difficult and unapproachable, I think because
it's easy to get jaded by too many years in the pubs with the drunks.
But I keep away from all that and just think about the music. To me it's
a privilege.
I've also been working installing the audio cabling in a friend's home
studio. He's a composer making music for TV, web ads and all sorts of
stuff, and he's young and positive and good at what he does. I met him
at my night job because he plays in a great little rock band on the
weekends. It's nice to work in good company doing something interesting
too. It's only a short job but a nice one to get.
Thanks Sean, hope you're keeping well. I appreciate our exchanges, here
we are with the whole world at our fingertips and mostly all I can find
is trolls, abuse and childishness. Who needs it, I say.
i'm pleased to hear everything is going so well, enjoy and i hope those mins are up to expectations. :-)
the internet can be downer for sure. people take things too seriously re different opinions and different levels of knowledge etc, i too have my bad days get overreactive at times it can become really frustrating especially when people tell you what you mean think believe and they are totally off base (its as if they cannot read at times ... or didn't bother care either way)
anyway thats the way it is ; cheers maplin, all the best.
FWIW this is reasonable summary by Greewald of what some quarters find most disturbing about the usa/west/empire vs russia in ukraine ....
Glenn Greenwald: The Censorship Campaign Against Western Criticism of NATO’s Ukraine Policy Is Extreme
Preventing populations from asking who benefits from a protracted proxy war, and who pays the price, is paramount. A closed propaganda system achieves that.
If one wishes to be exposed to news, information or perspective that contravenes the prevailing US/NATO view on the war in Ukraine, a rigorous search is required. And there is no guarantee that search will succeed. That is because the state/corporate censorship regime that has been imposed in the West with regard to this war is stunningly aggressive, rapid and comprehensive.
https://scheerpost.com/2022/04/13/glenn-greenwald-the-censorship-campaign-against-western-criticism-of-natos-ukraine-policy-is-extreme/
knowing where to go is the first thing to know, but most folks do not have the time to do this in real time. anyway fwiw, but it is like some people find what's being done to julian assange disturbing while others do not. Never the Twain shall meet.
eg It’s Obvious Who Gains From Bucha Massacre But There’s Hardly Any Media Left To Say It
The big difference now, however, is that Western propaganda has near-total dominance because all other critical, independent sources have been silenced or blackballed.
The criminalization of independent journalism as the persecution of Julian Assange prefigured is now bearing evil fruit.
https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2022/04/06/its-obvious-who-gains-from-bucha-massacre-but-there-hardly-any-media-left-to-say-it/
and
In one sense, I don’t have much to say about the newest chapter in the eight-year-old American war against the people of Ukraine – nothing that you can’t learn from an array of sources as politically diverse as George Galloway and Peter Hitchens, Tariq Ali and John Mearsheimer.
After all, the facts really aren’t complicated. Russia’s recent invasion, far from being “unprovoked” (as shamelessly claimed in mainstream media), follows eight years of the US-backed Ukrainian regime’s deadly shelling of ethnic Russians near the border of Russia itself, in fighting that has killed more than 13,000 civilians in territory Vladimir Putin’s administration pledged to protect long ago.
And that carnage had a fairly obvious cause, too: it was precipitated by the US-supported coup that toppled Ukraine’s elected government in 2014, ostensibly because of human rights abuses but more fundamentally because that government had refused to convert the former Soviet republic into a vassal state of NATO.
The machinations resulting in what is now called the “Maidan coup” destroyed Ukraine’s neutrality between Russia and the West, unleashing in its stead a violent and bigotednationalist movement for which the inhabitants of the Don River basin, mostly ethnic Russians, have been paying with their lives ever since.
https://off-guardian.org/2022/04/09/ukraine-a-new-battle-in-the-old-war-of-the-new-normal/
plus
Apr 8
4 hours of your time.
A lifetime of wisdom.
https://de.nttr.stream/KimDotcom/status/1512486639687581696#m
Twitter IS "State-Affiliated Media"
by aussie Caitlin Johnstone
https://caitlinjohnstone.substack.com/p/twitter-is-state-affiliated-media?s=r
and yet people here label me Crazy? far out man!
ps more info from an expert on the subject .... prof. John Mearsheimer.
Mearsheimer: Many say that "Putin invaded Ukraine because he wants to conquer it & integrate it into a greater Russia. Putin is interested in recreating the Soviet Union." This all is nonsense, there is no evidence to support that. This is all about NATO expansion.
Chicago University professor said that the US has been trying to turn Ukraine into a de facto member of NATO and Russia views this as an existential threat. Mearsheimer also explained who stands to gain most from the war.
http://youtu.be/_wi_0oiZ7vU 23 minutes
Why Leaders Lie: The Truth About Lying in International Politics with John Mearsheimer
5.1M views 10 years ago
The University of Chicago
John Mearsheimer, professor of Political Science at the University of Chicago, provides the first systematic analysis of lying as a tool of statecraft. He identifies the varieties, the reasons, and the potential costs and benefits, arguing that leaders often lie for good strategic reasons, while distinguishing between lying to another state and lying to one's own people.
John Mearsheimer is also the co-director of the Program on International Security Policy at the University of Chicago and has written extensively about security issues and international politics.
http://youtu.be/VPe5f5dcrGE
ONE MORE .... AUDIO 1 HR
As the death toll in Russia’s illegal invasion of Ukraine continues to rise, there have only been a handful of Westerners publicly questioning NATO and the West’s role in the conflict. These voices are becoming fewer and further between as a wave of feverish backlash engulfs any dissent on the subject. One of these voices belongs to Professor Michael J. Brenner, a lifelong academic, Professor Emeritus of International Affairs at the University of Pittsburgh and a Fellow of the Center for Transatlantic Relations at SAIS/Johns Hopkins............... the intellectual regularly shared his thoughts on topics of interest through a mailing list sent to thousands of readers—that is until the response to his Ukraine analysis made him QUESTION WHY HE BOTHERED in the first place.

In an email with the subject line “Quittin’ Time,” Brenner recently declared that, aside from having already said his piece on Ukraine, one of the main reasons he sees for GIVING UP ON EXPRESSING HIS OPINIONS on the subject is that “it is MANIFESTLY OBVIOUS that OUR SOCIETY is NOT CAPABLE of conducting an HONEST , LOGICAL, REASONABLY INFORMED DISCOURSE on matters of CONSEQUENCE.

Instead, we experience fantasy, fabrication, fatuousness and fulmination.” He goes on to decree President Joe Biden’s alarming comments in Poland when he all but revealed that the U.S. is—and perhaps has always been—interested in a Russian regime change.

On this week’s “Scheer Intelligence,” Brenner tells host Robert Scheer how the recent ATTACKS HE RECEIVED—many of a personal, ad hominem nature—were some of the most vitriolic he’s ever experienced.

The two discuss how many media narratives completely leave out that the eastward expansion of NATO, among other Western aggressions against Russia, played an important part in fueling the current humanitarian crisis.

Corporate media’s “cartoonish” depiction of Russian president Vladimir Putin, adds Brenner, is not only misleading, but dangerous given the nuclear brinkmanship that has ensued. Listen to the full discussion between Brenner and Scheer as they continue to dissent despite living in an America that is seemingly increasingly hostile to any opinion that strays from the official line.
https://scheerpost.com/2022/04/15/michael-brenner-american-dissent-on-ukraine-is-dying-in-darkness/
Henosis Sage
2022-04-16 04:27:58 UTC
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Welcome to Dystopialand where the Truth is Treason in the Empire of Lies.

SIDE SHUFFLE

UKRAINE WASN'T SO LUCKY IN 2014 ....
"The coup itself was the first Latin American coup in the twenty-first century, and showed that the US government would continue to prioritize its perceived geopolitical interests — and those of multinational corporations — in the region over democracy."

On April 11, 2002, Venezuela’s democratically elected government, headed by Hugo Chávez Frías, was ousted in a military coup d’etat. Then, dramatically, two days later, the coup was overturned by a mass mobilization of Venezuelans. They demanded the restoration of democracy and the return of a government that appeared to be making good on its commitment to redistribute Venezuela’s oil wealth to benefit the country’s most marginalized sectors.
https://scheerpost.com/2022/04/15/the-venezuelan-coup-20-years-later/

THEN Venezuelan Coup attempt #2 also failed
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venezuelan_presidential_crisis
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/03/11/venezuela-maduro-guaido-us-visit/
EU states no longer recognise Guaido as Venezuela's interim president
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-politics-eu-idUSKBN29U1A3

Saab’s lawyer, David Rivkin, called the US government’s arguments before the 11th Circuit Court in Miami “utterly dangerous.”
“The implication,” he added is that “because you are a disfavored regime, because you’re Venezuela under Maduro…we’re going to treat you as somehow you lost the Westphalian entitlement to sovereignty.”
And with that, Rivkin pretty much summed up the US IMPERIAL VIEW OF THE WORLD.
https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/04/15/uss-flaunting-of-diplomatic-immunity-challenged-in-court-imprisoned-venezuelan-diplomat-contests-extraterritorial-judicial-abuse/

So again the USA insists on proving it is the most dangerous rogue state on Earth, bar none.

“The United States of America Has Gone Mad”
-John le Carre

Like Father Like Son ....
Noam Chomsky, Cornel West, Naomi Klein Join Over 100 Academics Denouncing The Israel Lobby’s Attempt to Cancel Lowkey
In addition, dozens of prominent Jewish voices have rejected the Israel lobby’s attempts to silence Lowkey and signed the letter.

After MintPress exposed last week the yearslong campaign of spying and intimidation launched against Lowkey, messages of support have been pouring in from around the world.

“The Zionist led campaign to get Lowkey’s music removed from Spotify uses the same cynical tactics as sites like Canary Mission — intimidate and silence those who express solidarity with Palestine by threatening to make their careers suffer,” wrote human rights group, Jewish Voice For Peace.
https://scheerpost.com/2022/04/15/noam-chomsky-cornel-west-naomi-klein-join-over-100-academics-denouncing-the-israel-lobbys-attempt-to-cancel-lowkey/


American Empire, Censorship, Civil Rights, CN Live!, Commentary, Consortiumnews.com, Russia, Ukraine
WATCH: CN Live! — ‘Crushing Dissent’ With George Galloway [russia state media on twitter], Chris Hedges, Scott Ritter [banned on twitter] and Jill Stein
April 14, 2022
Pepe Escobar[banned on twitter]: On the Dawn of a New Global Financial System
NYT Smears Journalist, Calls 2014 Ukraine Coup ‘Conspiracy Theory’
Corporate Media’s War-Industry MIC Pundits
SCOTT RITTER: Twitter Wars—My Personal Experience in Twitter’s Ongoing Assault on Free Speech
https://consortiumnews.com/


Afghanistan, Commentary, Cuba, International, Iraq, Libya, Militarism, Nuclear Weapons, Russia, Soviet Union, U.S., Ukraine, Until This Day--Historical Perspectives on the News
A World Without Walls
April 14, 2022
Once the Russian government decided that integration with Europe and the U.S. was not possible, the West began to portray Putin as diabolical, writes Vijay Prashad.
https://consortiumnews.com/2022/04/14/a-world-without-walls/
Henosis Sage
2022-04-16 04:32:03 UTC
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Afghanistan, Commentary, Cuba, International, Iraq, Libya, Militarism, Nuclear Weapons, Russia, Soviet Union, U.S., Ukraine, Until This Day--Historical Perspectives on the News
A World Without Walls
April 14, 2022
Once the Russian government decided that integration with Europe and the U.S. was not possible, the West began to portray Putin as diabolical, writes Vijay Prashad.
https://consortiumnews.com/2022/04/14/a-world-without-walls/


While the United States began its illegal war against Iraq in 2003, Cuba’s President Fidel Castro spoke in Buenos Aires. “Our country does not drop bombs on other peoples,” he said, “nor does it send thousands of planes to bomb cities … Our country’s tens of thousands of scientists and doctors have been educated on the idea of saving lives.”

Castro reminds us that there are two ways to be alive in this world. We can live in a war-filled world awash with weapons and confounded by intimidation, a world that continuously prepares for combat. Or, we can live in a world of teachers and doctors, scientists and social workers, storytellers and singers. We can put our confidence in people who help us create a better world than the one we live in today, this wretched world of war and profit, where ugliness threatens to overwhelm us.

The surface of our skin beats with the fear that a new Iron Curtain will descend, that there is pressure to box in China and Russia, to divide the world into camps. But that is impossible, because – as noted in last week’s newsletter – we live in a knot of contradictions and not in a clean-cut world of certainties.

Wars either end with the destruction of a country’s political institutions and its social capacity or they end with ceasefires and negotiations. The North Atlantic Treaty Organization’s war on Libya in 2011 ended with the country stumbling along with the smell of cordite in the air and a broken social order.

The fate of Libya should not be repeated anywhere, certainly not in Ukraine. Yet it is a fate ordained for the people of Afghanistan, Somalia and Yemen, who have been suffocated by wars egged on by the West – wars armed by the West and that have been profitable for the West.

When contemporary Russia emerged from the fall of the U.S.S.R., Boris Yeltsin led a coup against the Russian parliament, tanks blazing. Those currently in power in Russia operate in light of these violent beginnings and the experiences of other war-stricken nations. They will not allow themselves to suffer the fate of Libya or Yemen or Afghanistan.

......... mmmmmmm
Henosis Sage
2022-04-16 04:34:38 UTC
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On Saturday, 16 April 2022 at 14:27:59 UTC+10, Henosis Sage wrote:

Once the Russian government decided that integration with Europe and the U.S. was not possible, the West began to portray Putin as diabolical, writes Vijay Prashad.
https://consortiumnews.com/2022/04/14/a-world-without-walls/


When the U.S.S.R. collapsed, Western countries wielded their resources and power through Boris Yeltsin (1991–1999) and then Vladimir Putin (from 1999).

First, the West impoverished the Russian people by destroying the country’s social safety net and allowing elite Russians to devour the country’s social wealth. Then, they drew the new Russian billionaires into investing in Western-driven globalization (including English football teams).

The West backed Yeltsin’s bloody war in Chechnya (1994–1996) and then Putin’s war in Chechnya (1999–2000). Former British Prime Minister Tony Blair (1997–2007) signed allowances for Russia to buy British weapons till his arm hurt and welcomed Putin to London in 2000, saying, “I want Russia and the West to work together to promote stability and peace.”

In 2001, former U.S. President George W. Bush described looking into Putin’s eyes and seeing his soul, calling him “straightforward and trustworthy.” In the same year, The New York Times’ Thomas Friedman encouraged readers to “keep rootin’ for Putin.” It was the West that helped the Russian billionaire class capture the state and ride astride Russian society.

Once the Russian government decided that integration with Europe and the U.S. was not possible, the West began to portray Putin as diabolical. This movie keeps replaying: Saddam Hussein of Iraq was a great hero of the U.S. and then its villain, the same with former military leader Manuel Antonio Noriega of Panama. Now the stakes are unforgivably higher, the dangers greater.

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm yeah ......
Henosis Sage
2022-04-16 04:41:49 UTC
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On Saturday, 16 April 2022 at 12:31:32 UTC+10, Henosis Sage wrote:


Professor Michael J. Brenner,
https://scheerpost.com/2022/04/15/michael-brenner-american-dissent-on-ukraine-is-dying-in-darkness/
audio from 18:30 minutes
" .... i believe we are talking about collective psychopathology .... "

.... mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm .... sounds about right.
Henosis Sage
2022-04-16 12:26:14 UTC
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Professor Michael J. Brenner,
https://scheerpost.com/2022/04/15/michael-brenner-american-dissent-on-ukraine-is-dying-in-darkness/
audio from 18:30 minutes
" .... i believe we are talking about collective psychopathology .... "
.... mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm .... sounds about right.
another source/report saying -- AN ASSAULT ON THE DONBASS WAS PLANNED .... early 2022 into february

catch up with audio Prof Michael Brenner 31-30 mins
https://scheerpost.com/2022/04/15/michael-brenner-american-dissent-on-ukraine-is-dying-in-darkness/

Biden speaking in early FEB that he knew Russia would attack/do something ... because Russia also knew an attack on the DONBASS was planned, there was 60,000 or more Ukrianian troops there, plus NATO/US advisors, and bucket loads of NATO/UK/US arms .....

and BIDEN saying if there was abig attack re[psonse by RUSSIA then there would be a large fight among NATO as to whether how much they would respond in kind to defend Ukraine ..... if it was a small attack then only sanctions would be applied AND THE NORD STREAM 2 WOULD BE SHUT DOWN .... turns out to be a HUGE RESPONSE by RUSSIA which shocked the living shit out of the USA/NATO Europe ... AND BIDEN ET AL ....

THAT 60K PLUS ATTACK FORCE OF UKRAINIAN MILITARY / NEONAZI MILITIA GROUPS IS NOW SURROUNDED BY RUSSIAN MILITARY IN THE DONBASS REGION NORTH OF MARIUPOL .... circa eastern Donestk region .....

BTW there are (2 plus dozen?) NATO "OFFICERS" stuck in MARIUPOL in underground MILITARY CONTROL CENTRE .... AND THEY CANNOT ESCAPE .
... several rescue attempts with helicopters the last 2-3 weeks have thwarted by russian forces
.. RUMOUR HAS IT THAT A US GENERAL HAS ALREADY BEEN CAPTURED by russia ..... but we'll see.
Henosis Sage
2022-04-16 13:21:20 UTC
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Professor Michael J. Brenner,
https://scheerpost.com/2022/04/15/michael-brenner-american-dissent-on-ukraine-is-dying-in-darkness/
audio from 18:30 minutes
" .... i believe we are talking about collective psychopathology .... "
.... mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm .... sounds about right.
another source/report saying -- AN ASSAULT ON THE DONBASS WAS PLANNED .... early 2022 into february
catch up with audio Prof Michael Brenner 31-30 mins
https://scheerpost.com/2022/04/15/michael-brenner-american-dissent-on-ukraine-is-dying-in-darkness/
Biden speaking in early FEB that he knew Russia would attack/do something ... because Russia also knew an attack on the DONBASS was planned, there was 60,000 or more Ukrianian troops there, plus NATO/US advisors, and bucket loads of NATO/UK/US arms .....
and BIDEN saying if there was abig attack re[psonse by RUSSIA then there would be a large fight among NATO as to whether how much they would respond in kind to defend Ukraine ..... if it was a small attack then only sanctions would be applied AND THE NORD STREAM 2 WOULD BE SHUT DOWN .... turns out to be a HUGE RESPONSE by RUSSIA which shocked the living shit out of the USA/NATO Europe ... AND BIDEN ET AL ....
THAT 60K PLUS ATTACK FORCE OF UKRAINIAN MILITARY / NEONAZI MILITIA GROUPS IS NOW SURROUNDED BY RUSSIAN MILITARY IN THE DONBASS REGION NORTH OF MARIUPOL .... circa eastern Donestk region .....
BTW there are (2 plus dozen?) NATO "OFFICERS" stuck in MARIUPOL in underground MILITARY CONTROL CENTRE .... AND THEY CANNOT ESCAPE .
... several rescue attempts with helicopters the last 2-3 weeks have thwarted by russian forces
.. RUMOUR HAS IT THAT A US GENERAL HAS ALREADY BEEN CAPTURED by russia ..... but we'll see.
misc waffle fwiw

Apr 15 2022 18:44 utc | 49

The barbarians have always been the West. In the late fifteenth and sixteenth century Portugal destroyed the peaceful free trading zone in the Indian Ocean and South East Asia through violence, then Western Europe invaded much of the rest of the world practising genocide, land theft and extortion aided by the germs developed in their filthy living conditions. Prior to that they were a violent, uncivilized backwater. But they make up wonderful stories of their civilizational greatness, to hide the fact that they have always been the Barbarians that destroyed other more civilized nations.

Nothing has changed, as the West has shown by the outright theft of the Afghani treasury, and now that of Russia. And the arms resupply to Ukraine so that they can enjoy the theatre of Slavs killing each other.

Apr 15 2022 19:22 utc | 62

Putin made 3 errors or miscalculations in my view:
For One: he fell into Biden's war trap by invading first instead of waiting for Zelensky to invade the Donbas first which was a given to happen any day.
Second: he under estimated to Ukrainian resistance giving the RF a terrible bloody nose and some serious loses.
Third: he didn't bomb the Kiev main "command-decision centers" at the start of his operation
and FORTH ... completely missed the power of western 24/7 media war propaganda.

This war will not end well. Shame on the mess.!

.................

COMMENT - MYSTERIES surrounding the sinking of the moscow missile cruiser .... sounds norweign missiles with direct US drone support .... russia not saying to avoid [temporarily] raising the stakes with us/nato ops ..... gut feel? something BIG is going behind the scenes.

THE US deep state WANT Russia to cross the rubicon ... they want (need?) WWIII to happen ... they need to break Russia and separate it from China or else ..... the target is crippling china ... the USA will do anything it can to achieve this end to maintain it's unipolar world control over everyone one. even risking nuclear level war.

there are +1000 US military / CIA operations bases worldwide, right. That's not an accident.

why anyone would believe what comes out of washington, the WH, think tanks and the media (left or right) is quite stunning.
but people are self serving gullible and lazy. (more often than not)
Tisra Til
2022-04-17 22:52:14 UTC
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Professor Michael J. Brenner,
https://scheerpost.com/2022/04/15/michael-brenner-american-dissent-on-ukraine-is-dying-in-darkness/
audio from 18:30 minutes
" .... i believe we are talking about collective psychopathology .... "
.... mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm .... sounds about right.
another source/report saying -- AN ASSAULT ON THE DONBASS WAS PLANNED .... early 2022 into february
catch up with audio Prof Michael Brenner 31-30 mins
https://scheerpost.com/2022/04/15/michael-brenner-american-dissent-on-ukraine-is-dying-in-darkness/
Biden speaking in early FEB that he knew Russia would attack/do something ... because Russia also knew an attack on the DONBASS was planned, there was 60,000 or more Ukrianian troops there, plus NATO/US advisors, and bucket loads of NATO/UK/US arms .....
and BIDEN saying if there was abig attack re[psonse by RUSSIA then there would be a large fight among NATO as to whether how much they would respond in kind to defend Ukraine ..... if it was a small attack then only sanctions would be applied AND THE NORD STREAM 2 WOULD BE SHUT DOWN .... turns out to be a HUGE RESPONSE by RUSSIA which shocked the living shit out of the USA/NATO Europe ... AND BIDEN ET AL ....
THAT 60K PLUS ATTACK FORCE OF UKRAINIAN MILITARY / NEONAZI MILITIA GROUPS IS NOW SURROUNDED BY RUSSIAN MILITARY IN THE DONBASS REGION NORTH OF MARIUPOL .... circa eastern Donestk region .....
BTW there are (2 plus dozen?) NATO "OFFICERS" stuck in MARIUPOL in underground MILITARY CONTROL CENTRE .... AND THEY CANNOT ESCAPE .
... several rescue attempts with helicopters the last 2-3 weeks have thwarted by russian forces
.. RUMOUR HAS IT THAT A US GENERAL HAS ALREADY BEEN CAPTURED by russia ..... but we'll see.
misc waffle fwiw
Apr 15 2022 18:44 utc | 49
The barbarians have always been the West. In the late fifteenth and sixteenth century Portugal destroyed the peaceful free trading zone in the Indian Ocean and South East Asia through violence, then Western Europe invaded much of the rest of the world practising genocide, land theft and extortion aided by the germs developed in their filthy living conditions. Prior to that they were a violent, uncivilized backwater. But they make up wonderful stories of their civilizational greatness, to hide the fact that they have always been the Barbarians that destroyed other more civilized nations.
Nothing has changed, as the West has shown by the outright theft of the Afghani treasury, and now that of Russia. And the arms resupply to Ukraine so that they can enjoy the theatre of Slavs killing each other.
Apr 15 2022 19:22 utc | 62
For One: he fell into Biden's war trap by invading first instead of waiting for Zelensky to invade the Donbas first which was a given to happen any day.
Second: he under estimated to Ukrainian resistance giving the RF a terrible bloody nose and some serious loses.
Third: he didn't bomb the Kiev main "command-decision centers" at the start of his operation
and FORTH ... completely missed the power of western 24/7 media war propaganda.
This war will not end well. Shame on the mess.!
.................
COMMENT - MYSTERIES surrounding the sinking of the moscow missile cruiser .... sounds norweign missiles with direct US drone support .... russia not saying to avoid [temporarily] raising the stakes with us/nato ops ..... gut feel? something BIG is going behind the scenes.
THE US deep state WANT Russia to cross the rubicon ... they want (need?) WWIII to happen ... they need to break Russia and separate it from China or else ..... the target is crippling china ... the USA will do anything it can to achieve this end to maintain it's unipolar world control over everyone one. even risking nuclear level war.
there are +1000 US military / CIA operations bases worldwide, right. That's not an accident.
why anyone would believe what comes out of washington, the WH, think tanks and the media (left or right) is quite stunning.
but people are self serving gullible and lazy. (more often than not)
Because the same handful of people who REALLY run the government and determine what policies are enacted own and run the major media outlets, and that is where most people get their information from. Business as usual for them. Control the perception, control the narrative.

Or was your statement rhetorical?
Henosis Sage
2022-04-18 02:16:08 UTC
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Professor Michael J. Brenner,
https://scheerpost.com/2022/04/15/michael-brenner-american-dissent-on-ukraine-is-dying-in-darkness/
audio from 18:30 minutes
" .... i believe we are talking about collective psychopathology .... "
.... mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm .... sounds about right.
another source/report saying -- AN ASSAULT ON THE DONBASS WAS PLANNED .... early 2022 into february
catch up with audio Prof Michael Brenner 31-30 mins
https://scheerpost.com/2022/04/15/michael-brenner-american-dissent-on-ukraine-is-dying-in-darkness/
Biden speaking in early FEB that he knew Russia would attack/do something ... because Russia also knew an attack on the DONBASS was planned, there was 60,000 or more Ukrianian troops there, plus NATO/US advisors, and bucket loads of NATO/UK/US arms .....
and BIDEN saying if there was abig attack re[psonse by RUSSIA then there would be a large fight among NATO as to whether how much they would respond in kind to defend Ukraine ..... if it was a small attack then only sanctions would be applied AND THE NORD STREAM 2 WOULD BE SHUT DOWN .... turns out to be a HUGE RESPONSE by RUSSIA which shocked the living shit out of the USA/NATO Europe ... AND BIDEN ET AL ....
THAT 60K PLUS ATTACK FORCE OF UKRAINIAN MILITARY / NEONAZI MILITIA GROUPS IS NOW SURROUNDED BY RUSSIAN MILITARY IN THE DONBASS REGION NORTH OF MARIUPOL .... circa eastern Donestk region .....
BTW there are (2 plus dozen?) NATO "OFFICERS" stuck in MARIUPOL in underground MILITARY CONTROL CENTRE .... AND THEY CANNOT ESCAPE .
... several rescue attempts with helicopters the last 2-3 weeks have thwarted by russian forces
.. RUMOUR HAS IT THAT A US GENERAL HAS ALREADY BEEN CAPTURED by russia ..... but we'll see.
misc waffle fwiw
Apr 15 2022 18:44 utc | 49
The barbarians have always been the West. In the late fifteenth and sixteenth century Portugal destroyed the peaceful free trading zone in the Indian Ocean and South East Asia through violence, then Western Europe invaded much of the rest of the world practising genocide, land theft and extortion aided by the germs developed in their filthy living conditions. Prior to that they were a violent, uncivilized backwater. But they make up wonderful stories of their civilizational greatness, to hide the fact that they have always been the Barbarians that destroyed other more civilized nations.
Nothing has changed, as the West has shown by the outright theft of the Afghani treasury, and now that of Russia. And the arms resupply to Ukraine so that they can enjoy the theatre of Slavs killing each other.
Apr 15 2022 19:22 utc | 62
For One: he fell into Biden's war trap by invading first instead of waiting for Zelensky to invade the Donbas first which was a given to happen any day.
Second: he under estimated to Ukrainian resistance giving the RF a terrible bloody nose and some serious loses.
Third: he didn't bomb the Kiev main "command-decision centers" at the start of his operation
and FORTH ... completely missed the power of western 24/7 media war propaganda.
This war will not end well. Shame on the mess.!
.................
COMMENT - MYSTERIES surrounding the sinking of the moscow missile cruiser .... sounds norweign missiles with direct US drone support .... russia not saying to avoid [temporarily] raising the stakes with us/nato ops ..... gut feel? something BIG is going behind the scenes.
THE US deep state WANT Russia to cross the rubicon ... they want (need?) WWIII to happen ... they need to break Russia and separate it from China or else ..... the target is crippling china ... the USA will do anything it can to achieve this end to maintain it's unipolar world control over everyone one. even risking nuclear level war.
there are +1000 US military / CIA operations bases worldwide, right. That's not an accident.
why anyone would believe what comes out of washington, the WH, think tanks and the media (left or right) is quite stunning.
but people are self serving gullible and lazy. (more often than not)
Because the same handful of people who REALLY run the government and determine what policies are enacted own and run the major media outlets, and that is where most people get their information from. Business as usual for them. Control the perception, control the narrative.
Or was your statement rhetorical?
kind of rhetorical. as chomsky pointed out long ago there is a self-censoring that occurs ,,,, toe the party line works in the the west as much as it did in the USSR ..... there's some control going on sure but there is also a state consciousness at work ... beliefs knowledge attitudes cultures and so on too.

i think chomskys latest i view i posted is a good appraisal .... its not new. one can criticse abhor russia's current actions and stiil see the bigger picture finding the us/west equally culpable short and long term ...

anyway, nothing we say think will change a thing. just sharing some snippets along the way. eckankars deciets is just another microcosm of the global deceits biases and lies. soc stuff, the blind leading the blind with a few at the core pulling the strings. and lying all the time.

chomsky said something good, its not about being rational to solve such geopolitical conflicts its about being humane or not. then justifying not.
Henosis Sage
2022-04-18 06:58:32 UTC
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Professor Michael J. Brenner,
https://scheerpost.com/2022/04/15/michael-brenner-american-dissent-on-ukraine-is-dying-in-darkness/
audio from 18:30 minutes
" .... i believe we are talking about collective psychopathology .... "
.... mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm .... sounds about right.
another source/report saying -- AN ASSAULT ON THE DONBASS WAS PLANNED .... early 2022 into february
catch up with audio Prof Michael Brenner 31-30 mins
https://scheerpost.com/2022/04/15/michael-brenner-american-dissent-on-ukraine-is-dying-in-darkness/
Biden speaking in early FEB that he knew Russia would attack/do something ... because Russia also knew an attack on the DONBASS was planned, there was 60,000 or more Ukrianian troops there, plus NATO/US advisors, and bucket loads of NATO/UK/US arms .....
and BIDEN saying if there was abig attack re[psonse by RUSSIA then there would be a large fight among NATO as to whether how much they would respond in kind to defend Ukraine ..... if it was a small attack then only sanctions would be applied AND THE NORD STREAM 2 WOULD BE SHUT DOWN .... turns out to be a HUGE RESPONSE by RUSSIA which shocked the living shit out of the USA/NATO Europe ... AND BIDEN ET AL ....
THAT 60K PLUS ATTACK FORCE OF UKRAINIAN MILITARY / NEONAZI MILITIA GROUPS IS NOW SURROUNDED BY RUSSIAN MILITARY IN THE DONBASS REGION NORTH OF MARIUPOL .... circa eastern Donestk region .....
BTW there are (2 plus dozen?) NATO "OFFICERS" stuck in MARIUPOL in underground MILITARY CONTROL CENTRE .... AND THEY CANNOT ESCAPE .
... several rescue attempts with helicopters the last 2-3 weeks have thwarted by russian forces
.. RUMOUR HAS IT THAT A US GENERAL HAS ALREADY BEEN CAPTURED by russia ..... but we'll see.
misc waffle fwiw
Apr 15 2022 18:44 utc | 49
The barbarians have always been the West. In the late fifteenth and sixteenth century Portugal destroyed the peaceful free trading zone in the Indian Ocean and South East Asia through violence, then Western Europe invaded much of the rest of the world practising genocide, land theft and extortion aided by the germs developed in their filthy living conditions. Prior to that they were a violent, uncivilized backwater. But they make up wonderful stories of their civilizational greatness, to hide the fact that they have always been the Barbarians that destroyed other more civilized nations.
Nothing has changed, as the West has shown by the outright theft of the Afghani treasury, and now that of Russia. And the arms resupply to Ukraine so that they can enjoy the theatre of Slavs killing each other.
Apr 15 2022 19:22 utc | 62
For One: he fell into Biden's war trap by invading first instead of waiting for Zelensky to invade the Donbas first which was a given to happen any day.
Second: he under estimated to Ukrainian resistance giving the RF a terrible bloody nose and some serious loses.
Third: he didn't bomb the Kiev main "command-decision centers" at the start of his operation
and FORTH ... completely missed the power of western 24/7 media war propaganda.
This war will not end well. Shame on the mess.!
.................
COMMENT - MYSTERIES surrounding the sinking of the moscow missile cruiser .... sounds norweign missiles with direct US drone support .... russia not saying to avoid [temporarily] raising the stakes with us/nato ops ..... gut feel? something BIG is going behind the scenes.
THE US deep state WANT Russia to cross the rubicon ... they want (need?) WWIII to happen ... they need to break Russia and separate it from China or else ..... the target is crippling china ... the USA will do anything it can to achieve this end to maintain it's unipolar world control over everyone one. even risking nuclear level war.
there are +1000 US military / CIA operations bases worldwide, right. That's not an accident.
why anyone would believe what comes out of washington, the WH, think tanks and the media (left or right) is quite stunning.
but people are self serving gullible and lazy. (more often than not)
Because the same handful of people who REALLY run the government and determine what policies are enacted own and run the major media outlets, and that is where most people get their information from. Business as usual for them. Control the perception, control the narrative.
Or was your statement rhetorical?
kind of rhetorical. as chomsky pointed out long ago there is a self-censoring that occurs ,,,, toe the party line works in the the west as much as it did in the USSR ..... there's some control going on sure but there is also a state consciousness at work ... beliefs knowledge attitudes cultures and so on too.
i think chomskys latest i view i posted is a good appraisal .... its not new. one can criticse abhor russia's current actions and stiil see the bigger picture finding the us/west equally culpable short and long term ...
anyway, nothing we say think will change a thing. just sharing some snippets along the way. eckankars deciets is just another microcosm of the global deceits biases and lies. soc stuff, the blind leading the blind with a few at the core pulling the strings. and lying all the time.
chomsky said something good, its not about being rational to solve such geopolitical conflicts its about being humane or not. then justifying not.
still, i'm not sure myself about all this stuff either .... call it my best guess, subject to change at any time. cheers
Maplin
2022-04-19 03:53:51 UTC
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Professor Michael J. Brenner,
https://scheerpost.com/2022/04/15/michael-brenner-american-dissent-on-ukraine-is-dying-in-darkness/
audio from 18:30 minutes
" .... i believe we are talking about collective psychopathology .... "
.... mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm .... sounds about right.
another source/report saying -- AN ASSAULT ON THE DONBASS WAS PLANNED .... early 2022 into february
catch up with audio Prof Michael Brenner 31-30 mins
https://scheerpost.com/2022/04/15/michael-brenner-american-dissent-on-ukraine-is-dying-in-darkness/
Biden speaking in early FEB that he knew Russia would attack/do something ... because Russia also knew an attack on the DONBASS was planned, there was 60,000 or more Ukrianian troops there, plus NATO/US advisors, and bucket loads of NATO/UK/US arms .....
and BIDEN saying if there was abig attack re[psonse by RUSSIA then there would be a large fight among NATO as to whether how much they would respond in kind to defend Ukraine ..... if it was a small attack then only sanctions would be applied AND THE NORD STREAM 2 WOULD BE SHUT DOWN .... turns out to be a HUGE RESPONSE by RUSSIA which shocked the living shit out of the USA/NATO Europe ... AND BIDEN ET AL ....
THAT 60K PLUS ATTACK FORCE OF UKRAINIAN MILITARY / NEONAZI MILITIA GROUPS IS NOW SURROUNDED BY RUSSIAN MILITARY IN THE DONBASS REGION NORTH OF MARIUPOL .... circa eastern Donestk region .....
BTW there are (2 plus dozen?) NATO "OFFICERS" stuck in MARIUPOL in underground MILITARY CONTROL CENTRE .... AND THEY CANNOT ESCAPE .
... several rescue attempts with helicopters the last 2-3 weeks have thwarted by russian forces
.. RUMOUR HAS IT THAT A US GENERAL HAS ALREADY BEEN CAPTURED by russia ..... but we'll see.
misc waffle fwiw
Apr 15 2022 18:44 utc | 49
The barbarians have always been the West. In the late fifteenth and sixteenth century Portugal destroyed the peaceful free trading zone in the Indian Ocean and South East Asia through violence, then Western Europe invaded much of the rest of the world practising genocide, land theft and extortion aided by the germs developed in their filthy living conditions. Prior to that they were a violent, uncivilized backwater. But they make up wonderful stories of their civilizational greatness, to hide the fact that they have always been the Barbarians that destroyed other more civilized nations.
Nothing has changed, as the West has shown by the outright theft of the Afghani treasury, and now that of Russia. And the arms resupply to Ukraine so that they can enjoy the theatre of Slavs killing each other.
Apr 15 2022 19:22 utc | 62
For One: he fell into Biden's war trap by invading first instead of waiting for Zelensky to invade the Donbas first which was a given to happen any day.
Second: he under estimated to Ukrainian resistance giving the RF a terrible bloody nose and some serious loses.
Third: he didn't bomb the Kiev main "command-decision centers" at the start of his operation
and FORTH ... completely missed the power of western 24/7 media war propaganda.
This war will not end well. Shame on the mess.!
.................
COMMENT - MYSTERIES surrounding the sinking of the moscow missile cruiser .... sounds norweign missiles with direct US drone support .... russia not saying to avoid [temporarily] raising the stakes with us/nato ops ..... gut feel? something BIG is going behind the scenes.
THE US deep state WANT Russia to cross the rubicon ... they want (need?) WWIII to happen ... they need to break Russia and separate it from China or else ..... the target is crippling china ... the USA will do anything it can to achieve this end to maintain it's unipolar world control over everyone one. even risking nuclear level war.
there are +1000 US military / CIA operations bases worldwide, right. That's not an accident.
why anyone would believe what comes out of washington, the WH, think tanks and the media (left or right) is quite stunning.
but people are self serving gullible and lazy. (more often than not)
Because the same handful of people who REALLY run the government and determine what policies are enacted own and run the major media outlets, and that is where most people get their information from. Business as usual for them. Control the perception, control the narrative.
Or was your statement rhetorical?
kind of rhetorical. as chomsky pointed out long ago there is a self-censoring that occurs ,,,, toe the party line works in the the west as much as it did in the USSR ..... there's some control going on sure but there is also a state consciousness at work ... beliefs knowledge attitudes cultures and so on too.
i think chomskys latest i view i posted is a good appraisal .... its not new. one can criticse abhor russia's current actions and stiil see the bigger picture finding the us/west equally culpable short and long term ...
anyway, nothing we say think will change a thing. just sharing some snippets along the way. eckankars deciets is just another microcosm of the global deceits biases and lies. soc stuff, the blind leading the blind with a few at the core pulling the strings. and lying all the time.
chomsky said something good, its not about being rational to solve such geopolitical conflicts its about being humane or not. then justifying not.
still, i'm not sure myself about all this stuff either .... call it my best guess, subject to change at any time. cheers
Tactically the Russians seem to be trying for a land-bridge from their
mainland through the NE of Ukraine to Crimea and the strategic port of
Odessa. In Soviet time Odessa was one of their critical ports, probably
of equal importance to anything they had. If I remember rightly wasn't
it the home port of the Black Sea fleet? I saw a website featuring a
mothballed Typhoon-class submarine, the largest ever built. A bit over
half the size of a Midway class carrier, they were incredible. Not one
but two huge pressure hulls inside the outer casing, each one 12M in
diamter. The whole thing had a beam of just over 25 meter wide... a sub!
And there is was, just tied up, rusting, all the weapons and secret
stuff removed but otherwise just as it'd been the last time it'd sailed,
and this camera crew simply walked on board and took photos. I believe
it was tied up at a pier in Odessa.

Ukraine is putting up a hell of a fight for such an unequal contest. On
the one hand it's encouraging to think they're not just laying down and
being taken over; on the other, it must mean much more pain for them as
Russia keeps pouring it on. Sometimes I can't help thinking, please,
come to terms, stop the bloodshed, this is too much. They've hit some
HUGE blows against Russia for a country of this size in this position
but won't Russia simply keep destroying their way to the end?

That said, I'm surprised at the relatively poor performance of the huge
force arrayed against Ukraine. Russia started this with, I think, about
2700 tanks and a week ago had lost 500 in this action - that's big. And
the loss of the Moskva... incredible pluck on the part of a much smaller
besieged nation but I can't help thinking it just means they will
receive all the worse punishment for it. And that seems to be so at the
ground level for the civilians. Some of the stories..

All of this must be taken through exactly the kind of filter you're
talking about, that what we receive through media channels is just so
much calculated, distorted material aimed to create a particular view,
not objective balanced reporting. But it's clearly an unequal battle.

Russia don't seem to have much of a reserve force to call up; they must
commit more of the standing forces. And the cost... actions on this
scale represent a HUGE national effort. It must be taking some large
slice of all of Russia's resources for a number of years to maintain
this force and these losses (no doubt Ukraine's losses will be
staggering to tally up too). Under the level of sanctions already in
place, and those piling up and yet to come, I wonder at the true cost to
Russia over the next several years.

Whatever the true situation, as to Russia's motives, Ukraine's actions
before the invasion and the real state of the war, the Russian
leadership must be VERY determined about this or they simply couldn't
and wouldn't have committed to this massive cost in resources. They
didn't simply build up a supply of materials and men and spend it, this
is seriously costing them. And I dread to think of the revenge in their
hearts they want to exact for it
Henosis Sage
2022-04-19 05:05:48 UTC
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Professor Michael J. Brenner,
https://scheerpost.com/2022/04/15/michael-brenner-american-dissent-on-ukraine-is-dying-in-darkness/
audio from 18:30 minutes
" .... i believe we are talking about collective psychopathology .... "
.... mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm .... sounds about right.
another source/report saying -- AN ASSAULT ON THE DONBASS WAS PLANNED .... early 2022 into february
catch up with audio Prof Michael Brenner 31-30 mins
https://scheerpost.com/2022/04/15/michael-brenner-american-dissent-on-ukraine-is-dying-in-darkness/
Biden speaking in early FEB that he knew Russia would attack/do something ... because Russia also knew an attack on the DONBASS was planned, there was 60,000 or more Ukrianian troops there, plus NATO/US advisors, and bucket loads of NATO/UK/US arms .....
and BIDEN saying if there was abig attack re[psonse by RUSSIA then there would be a large fight among NATO as to whether how much they would respond in kind to defend Ukraine ..... if it was a small attack then only sanctions would be applied AND THE NORD STREAM 2 WOULD BE SHUT DOWN .... turns out to be a HUGE RESPONSE by RUSSIA which shocked the living shit out of the USA/NATO Europe ... AND BIDEN ET AL ....
THAT 60K PLUS ATTACK FORCE OF UKRAINIAN MILITARY / NEONAZI MILITIA GROUPS IS NOW SURROUNDED BY RUSSIAN MILITARY IN THE DONBASS REGION NORTH OF MARIUPOL .... circa eastern Donestk region .....
BTW there are (2 plus dozen?) NATO "OFFICERS" stuck in MARIUPOL in underground MILITARY CONTROL CENTRE .... AND THEY CANNOT ESCAPE .
... several rescue attempts with helicopters the last 2-3 weeks have thwarted by russian forces
.. RUMOUR HAS IT THAT A US GENERAL HAS ALREADY BEEN CAPTURED by russia ..... but we'll see.
misc waffle fwiw
Apr 15 2022 18:44 utc | 49
The barbarians have always been the West. In the late fifteenth and sixteenth century Portugal destroyed the peaceful free trading zone in the Indian Ocean and South East Asia through violence, then Western Europe invaded much of the rest of the world practising genocide, land theft and extortion aided by the germs developed in their filthy living conditions. Prior to that they were a violent, uncivilized backwater. But they make up wonderful stories of their civilizational greatness, to hide the fact that they have always been the Barbarians that destroyed other more civilized nations.
Nothing has changed, as the West has shown by the outright theft of the Afghani treasury, and now that of Russia. And the arms resupply to Ukraine so that they can enjoy the theatre of Slavs killing each other.
Apr 15 2022 19:22 utc | 62
For One: he fell into Biden's war trap by invading first instead of waiting for Zelensky to invade the Donbas first which was a given to happen any day.
Second: he under estimated to Ukrainian resistance giving the RF a terrible bloody nose and some serious loses.
Third: he didn't bomb the Kiev main "command-decision centers" at the start of his operation
and FORTH ... completely missed the power of western 24/7 media war propaganda.
This war will not end well. Shame on the mess.!
.................
COMMENT - MYSTERIES surrounding the sinking of the moscow missile cruiser .... sounds norweign missiles with direct US drone support .... russia not saying to avoid [temporarily] raising the stakes with us/nato ops ..... gut feel? something BIG is going behind the scenes.
THE US deep state WANT Russia to cross the rubicon ... they want (need?) WWIII to happen ... they need to break Russia and separate it from China or else ..... the target is crippling china ... the USA will do anything it can to achieve this end to maintain it's unipolar world control over everyone one. even risking nuclear level war.
there are +1000 US military / CIA operations bases worldwide, right. That's not an accident.
why anyone would believe what comes out of washington, the WH, think tanks and the media (left or right) is quite stunning.
but people are self serving gullible and lazy. (more often than not)
Because the same handful of people who REALLY run the government and determine what policies are enacted own and run the major media outlets, and that is where most people get their information from. Business as usual for them. Control the perception, control the narrative.
Or was your statement rhetorical?
kind of rhetorical. as chomsky pointed out long ago there is a self-censoring that occurs ,,,, toe the party line works in the the west as much as it did in the USSR ..... there's some control going on sure but there is also a state consciousness at work ... beliefs knowledge attitudes cultures and so on too.
i think chomskys latest i view i posted is a good appraisal .... its not new. one can criticse abhor russia's current actions and stiil see the bigger picture finding the us/west equally culpable short and long term ...
anyway, nothing we say think will change a thing. just sharing some snippets along the way. eckankars deciets is just another microcosm of the global deceits biases and lies. soc stuff, the blind leading the blind with a few at the core pulling the strings. and lying all the time.
chomsky said something good, its not about being rational to solve such geopolitical conflicts its about being humane or not. then justifying not.
still, i'm not sure myself about all this stuff either .... call it my best guess, subject to change at any time. cheers
Tactically the Russians seem to be trying for a land-bridge from their
mainland through the NE of Ukraine to Crimea and the strategic port of
Odessa. In Soviet time Odessa was one of their critical ports, probably
of equal importance to anything they had. If I remember rightly wasn't
it the home port of the Black Sea fleet? I saw a website featuring a
mothballed Typhoon-class submarine, the largest ever built. A bit over
half the size of a Midway class carrier, they were incredible. Not one
but two huge pressure hulls inside the outer casing, each one 12M in
diamter. The whole thing had a beam of just over 25 meter wide... a sub!
And there is was, just tied up, rusting, all the weapons and secret
stuff removed but otherwise just as it'd been the last time it'd sailed,
and this camera crew simply walked on board and took photos. I believe
it was tied up at a pier in Odessa.
Ukraine is putting up a hell of a fight for such an unequal contest. On
the one hand it's encouraging to think they're not just laying down and
being taken over; on the other, it must mean much more pain for them as
Russia keeps pouring it on. Sometimes I can't help thinking, please,
come to terms, stop the bloodshed, this is too much. They've hit some
HUGE blows against Russia for a country of this size in this position
but won't Russia simply keep destroying their way to the end?
That said, I'm surprised at the relatively poor performance of the huge
force arrayed against Ukraine. Russia started this with, I think, about
2700 tanks and a week ago had lost 500 in this action - that's big. And
the loss of the Moskva... incredible pluck on the part of a much smaller
besieged nation but I can't help thinking it just means they will
receive all the worse punishment for it. And that seems to be so at the
ground level for the civilians. Some of the stories..
All of this must be taken through exactly the kind of filter you're
talking about, that what we receive through media channels is just so
much calculated, distorted material aimed to create a particular view,
not objective balanced reporting. But it's clearly an unequal battle.
Russia don't seem to have much of a reserve force to call up; they must
commit more of the standing forces. And the cost... actions on this
scale represent a HUGE national effort. It must be taking some large
slice of all of Russia's resources for a number of years to maintain
this force and these losses (no doubt Ukraine's losses will be
staggering to tally up too). Under the level of sanctions already in
place, and those piling up and yet to come, I wonder at the true cost to
Russia over the next several years.
Whatever the true situation, as to Russia's motives, Ukraine's actions
before the invasion and the real state of the war, the Russian
leadership must be VERY determined about this or they simply couldn't
and wouldn't have committed to this massive cost in resources. They
didn't simply build up a supply of materials and men and spend it, this
is seriously costing them. And I dread to think of the revenge in their
hearts they want to exact for it
HI Maplin, way back the wealthy greeks leaving Turkey (Ottoman empire) moved to odessa-muriopol region which was then under developed Russia. good at trade boats etc. Sevastopol was the naval base in black sea (though maybe some ships used odessa too?)

"it's clearly an unequal battle."

sure is.

Notice also many images of destruction were caused by Ukrainian forces, not russian. eg that street in boucha was ukrainina artillery. They hit buildings and homes too.

I have heard that russia has barely used it's forces and military/airpower to date. They've gone slowly often stopping, offering openings for people/army personell to retreat exit war zones. reports say ukrainian esp azov/right sector divisions stop that. some kill civilians trying to exit fighting zones.

I repeat that the mass grave in boucha church grounds was dug by Ukrainians with ambulance/medicos using it as an emergency place to TEMPORARILY bury the dead in body bags (no electricity / morgues etc) long before russian forces took over the town/region ..... and then they left. seen photos of this with Ukrainian personnel when they began dumping bodies there. if war crimes investigators don't look are not given these photos or ask the right people they will never know the truth of it. People lie get dangerously biased in war. Both sides.

"the Russian leadership must be VERY determined about this"

yes. they have been saying so for years and especially the last 6 months.
still no one in msm political circles speaks of the build up of ukrainian troops along line of control in donbass and uptick of major artillary fire from 16 feb by ukraine, was reported by OSCE monitors

from what i have seen heard, russia has barely deployed its full military capability.
eg "Russia is obviously prepared for it. It has so far held back large parts of its own forces. Russia has at least 12 tactical missile artillery brigades, each with 36 Iskander missile launchers and 144 fire ready missiles. Only three of the those brigades plus a third of two other ones have so far been committed: and - Most of the Russian airforce has likewise been held back."

"Yesterday there was no particular heavy fighting and the equipment destroyed on that one day alone was already more than what the U.S. has in total promised to send."

and mil.ru report -- "In total, 139 aircraft, 483 unmanned aerial vehicles, 250 anti-aircraft missile systems, 2,326 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 254 multiple launch rocket systems, 1,004 field artillery and mortars, as well as 2,184 units of special military vehicles of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were destroyed during the operation. "
eg https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/04/the-ukraine-is-still-losing-so-what-is-its-plan.html

The western media totally ignores russian mil reports. and other 3rd party reports that counter the current dogma .... that ukrainians are heroes and winning.

contrary to propaganda russia is taking great care in targeting use of force and is going slowly to avoid civilian casualties and unnecessary destruction. this has actually caused higher russian casualties and loss of mil equipment.

its a myth russian forces have been forced back out of cities ..... all part of the plans to secure the donbass and sth ukraine strip

AFAIK .... everything is filtered "reports" from others. i cannot know for sure. But I can see where the hyperbole and gross inconsistencies are coming from and it's not the Russians.

whether what russia has done is justified or not, they were very clear to nao, usa, eu , ukraine for years what was at stake .... putin upped the ante last year and reinforced what would come if nothing was done to respect russia security and the human political rights of donbass republics re minsk ii accords .....

what has happened since feb is precisely what putin said would happen IF nothing was done.

what he was asking for was not unreasonable ... and been on the table since 2015 re ukraine and before then overall from 2007 ....

he wasn't bluffing.

what he has done is no different than what nato, uk, the usa have been doing for DECADES all over the world at will.

they are all war criminals liars cheats and thieves and psychopaths imho.
Maplin
2022-04-19 06:48:57 UTC
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Professor Michael J. Brenner,
https://scheerpost.com/2022/04/15/michael-brenner-american-dissent-on-ukraine-is-dying-in-darkness/
audio from 18:30 minutes
" .... i believe we are talking about collective psychopathology .... "
.... mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm .... sounds about right.
another source/report saying -- AN ASSAULT ON THE DONBASS WAS PLANNED .... early 2022 into february
catch up with audio Prof Michael Brenner 31-30 mins
https://scheerpost.com/2022/04/15/michael-brenner-american-dissent-on-ukraine-is-dying-in-darkness/
Biden speaking in early FEB that he knew Russia would attack/do something ... because Russia also knew an attack on the DONBASS was planned, there was 60,000 or more Ukrianian troops there, plus NATO/US advisors, and bucket loads of NATO/UK/US arms .....
and BIDEN saying if there was abig attack re[psonse by RUSSIA then there would be a large fight among NATO as to whether how much they would respond in kind to defend Ukraine ..... if it was a small attack then only sanctions would be applied AND THE NORD STREAM 2 WOULD BE SHUT DOWN .... turns out to be a HUGE RESPONSE by RUSSIA which shocked the living shit out of the USA/NATO Europe ... AND BIDEN ET AL ....
THAT 60K PLUS ATTACK FORCE OF UKRAINIAN MILITARY / NEONAZI MILITIA GROUPS IS NOW SURROUNDED BY RUSSIAN MILITARY IN THE DONBASS REGION NORTH OF MARIUPOL .... circa eastern Donestk region .....
BTW there are (2 plus dozen?) NATO "OFFICERS" stuck in MARIUPOL in underground MILITARY CONTROL CENTRE .... AND THEY CANNOT ESCAPE .
... several rescue attempts with helicopters the last 2-3 weeks have thwarted by russian forces
.. RUMOUR HAS IT THAT A US GENERAL HAS ALREADY BEEN CAPTURED by russia ..... but we'll see.
misc waffle fwiw
Apr 15 2022 18:44 utc | 49
The barbarians have always been the West. In the late fifteenth and sixteenth century Portugal destroyed the peaceful free trading zone in the Indian Ocean and South East Asia through violence, then Western Europe invaded much of the rest of the world practising genocide, land theft and extortion aided by the germs developed in their filthy living conditions. Prior to that they were a violent, uncivilized backwater. But they make up wonderful stories of their civilizational greatness, to hide the fact that they have always been the Barbarians that destroyed other more civilized nations.
Nothing has changed, as the West has shown by the outright theft of the Afghani treasury, and now that of Russia. And the arms resupply to Ukraine so that they can enjoy the theatre of Slavs killing each other.
Apr 15 2022 19:22 utc | 62
For One: he fell into Biden's war trap by invading first instead of waiting for Zelensky to invade the Donbas first which was a given to happen any day.
Second: he under estimated to Ukrainian resistance giving the RF a terrible bloody nose and some serious loses.
Third: he didn't bomb the Kiev main "command-decision centers" at the start of his operation
and FORTH ... completely missed the power of western 24/7 media war propaganda.
This war will not end well. Shame on the mess.!
.................
COMMENT - MYSTERIES surrounding the sinking of the moscow missile cruiser .... sounds norweign missiles with direct US drone support .... russia not saying to avoid [temporarily] raising the stakes with us/nato ops ..... gut feel? something BIG is going behind the scenes.
THE US deep state WANT Russia to cross the rubicon ... they want (need?) WWIII to happen ... they need to break Russia and separate it from China or else ..... the target is crippling china ... the USA will do anything it can to achieve this end to maintain it's unipolar world control over everyone one. even risking nuclear level war.
there are +1000 US military / CIA operations bases worldwide, right. That's not an accident.
why anyone would believe what comes out of washington, the WH, think tanks and the media (left or right) is quite stunning.
but people are self serving gullible and lazy. (more often than not)
Because the same handful of people who REALLY run the government and determine what policies are enacted own and run the major media outlets, and that is where most people get their information from. Business as usual for them. Control the perception, control the narrative.
Or was your statement rhetorical?
kind of rhetorical. as chomsky pointed out long ago there is a self-censoring that occurs ,,,, toe the party line works in the the west as much as it did in the USSR ..... there's some control going on sure but there is also a state consciousness at work ... beliefs knowledge attitudes cultures and so on too.
i think chomskys latest i view i posted is a good appraisal .... its not new. one can criticse abhor russia's current actions and stiil see the bigger picture finding the us/west equally culpable short and long term ...
anyway, nothing we say think will change a thing. just sharing some snippets along the way. eckankars deciets is just another microcosm of the global deceits biases and lies. soc stuff, the blind leading the blind with a few at the core pulling the strings. and lying all the time.
chomsky said something good, its not about being rational to solve such geopolitical conflicts its about being humane or not. then justifying not.
still, i'm not sure myself about all this stuff either .... call it my best guess, subject to change at any time. cheers
Tactically the Russians seem to be trying for a land-bridge from their
mainland through the NE of Ukraine to Crimea and the strategic port of
Odessa. In Soviet time Odessa was one of their critical ports, probably
of equal importance to anything they had. If I remember rightly wasn't
it the home port of the Black Sea fleet? I saw a website featuring a
mothballed Typhoon-class submarine, the largest ever built. A bit over
half the size of a Midway class carrier, they were incredible. Not one
but two huge pressure hulls inside the outer casing, each one 12M in
diamter. The whole thing had a beam of just over 25 meter wide... a sub!
And there is was, just tied up, rusting, all the weapons and secret
stuff removed but otherwise just as it'd been the last time it'd sailed,
and this camera crew simply walked on board and took photos. I believe
it was tied up at a pier in Odessa.
Ukraine is putting up a hell of a fight for such an unequal contest. On
the one hand it's encouraging to think they're not just laying down and
being taken over; on the other, it must mean much more pain for them as
Russia keeps pouring it on. Sometimes I can't help thinking, please,
come to terms, stop the bloodshed, this is too much. They've hit some
HUGE blows against Russia for a country of this size in this position
but won't Russia simply keep destroying their way to the end?
That said, I'm surprised at the relatively poor performance of the huge
force arrayed against Ukraine. Russia started this with, I think, about
2700 tanks and a week ago had lost 500 in this action - that's big. And
the loss of the Moskva... incredible pluck on the part of a much smaller
besieged nation but I can't help thinking it just means they will
receive all the worse punishment for it. And that seems to be so at the
ground level for the civilians. Some of the stories..
All of this must be taken through exactly the kind of filter you're
talking about, that what we receive through media channels is just so
much calculated, distorted material aimed to create a particular view,
not objective balanced reporting. But it's clearly an unequal battle.
Russia don't seem to have much of a reserve force to call up; they must
commit more of the standing forces. And the cost... actions on this
scale represent a HUGE national effort. It must be taking some large
slice of all of Russia's resources for a number of years to maintain
this force and these losses (no doubt Ukraine's losses will be
staggering to tally up too). Under the level of sanctions already in
place, and those piling up and yet to come, I wonder at the true cost to
Russia over the next several years.
Whatever the true situation, as to Russia's motives, Ukraine's actions
before the invasion and the real state of the war, the Russian
leadership must be VERY determined about this or they simply couldn't
and wouldn't have committed to this massive cost in resources. They
didn't simply build up a supply of materials and men and spend it, this
is seriously costing them. And I dread to think of the revenge in their
hearts they want to exact for it
HI Maplin, way back the wealthy greeks leaving Turkey (Ottoman empire) moved to odessa-muriopol region which was then under developed Russia. good at trade boats etc. Sevastopol was the naval base in black sea (though maybe some ships used odessa too?)
"it's clearly an unequal battle."
sure is.
Notice also many images of destruction were caused by Ukrainian forces, not russian. eg that street in boucha was ukrainina artillery. They hit buildings and homes too.
I have heard that russia has barely used it's forces and military/airpower to date. They've gone slowly often stopping, offering openings for people/army personell to retreat exit war zones. reports say ukrainian esp azov/right sector divisions stop that. some kill civilians trying to exit fighting zones.
I repeat that the mass grave in boucha church grounds was dug by Ukrainians with ambulance/medicos using it as an emergency place to TEMPORARILY bury the dead in body bags (no electricity / morgues etc) long before russian forces took over the town/region ..... and then they left. seen photos of this with Ukrainian personnel when they began dumping bodies there. if war crimes investigators don't look are not given these photos or ask the right people they will never know the truth of it. People lie get dangerously biased in war. Both sides.
"the Russian leadership must be VERY determined about this"
yes. they have been saying so for years and especially the last 6 months.
still no one in msm political circles speaks of the build up of ukrainian troops along line of control in donbass and uptick of major artillary fire from 16 feb by ukraine, was reported by OSCE monitors
from what i have seen heard, russia has barely deployed its full military capability.
eg "Russia is obviously prepared for it. It has so far held back large parts of its own forces. Russia has at least 12 tactical missile artillery brigades, each with 36 Iskander missile launchers and 144 fire ready missiles. Only three of the those brigades plus a third of two other ones have so far been committed: and - Most of the Russian airforce has likewise been held back."
"Yesterday there was no particular heavy fighting and the equipment destroyed on that one day alone was already more than what the U.S. has in total promised to send."
and mil.ru report -- "In total, 139 aircraft, 483 unmanned aerial vehicles, 250 anti-aircraft missile systems, 2,326 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 254 multiple launch rocket systems, 1,004 field artillery and mortars, as well as 2,184 units of special military vehicles of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were destroyed during the operation. "
eg https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/04/the-ukraine-is-still-losing-so-what-is-its-plan.html
The western media totally ignores russian mil reports. and other 3rd party reports that counter the current dogma .... that ukrainians are heroes and winning.
contrary to propaganda russia is taking great care in targeting use of force and is going slowly to avoid civilian casualties and unnecessary destruction. this has actually caused higher russian casualties and loss of mil equipment.
its a myth russian forces have been forced back out of cities ..... all part of the plans to secure the donbass and sth ukraine strip
AFAIK .... everything is filtered "reports" from others. i cannot know for sure. But I can see where the hyperbole and gross inconsistencies are coming from and it's not the Russians.
whether what russia has done is justified or not, they were very clear to nao, usa, eu , ukraine for years what was at stake .... putin upped the ante last year and reinforced what would come if nothing was done to respect russia security and the human political rights of donbass republics re minsk ii accords .....
what has happened since feb is precisely what putin said would happen IF nothing was done.
what he was asking for was not unreasonable ... and been on the table since 2015 re ukraine and before then overall from 2007 ....
he wasn't bluffing.
what he has done is no different than what nato, uk, the usa have been doing for DECADES all over the world at will.
they are all war criminals liars cheats and thieves and psychopaths imho.
Yes I did pick up on that particularly about the mass graves... "oh look
at what we found here when we started digging..." No not quite. Yes it
does seem that at least some of those we saw on the news were in fact
Ukranian-made mass grave sites, then turned around to look like it's
something they just stumbled across. Without trying to pick sides
(though i guess I've made my natural sympathies obvious enough), that's
about the type of media play I'd expect from any nation receiving
invaders - oh look at the horrors inflicted on us. RIght or wrong they
will use any tool in the box to gain supporters and paint the other guy
in a bad light.

I do not doubt for one instant that Ukraine's hands were not clean to
begin with and there is more to Russia's motives than anyone will tell
us in the mass media. Nonetheless, the actions against civilians are
abhorrent. Just like they are in all wars.

Wikipedia simply paints the Feb 2022 and continuing action as part of
the Russo-Ukranian war that started in 2014 and hasn't yet stopped; they
see it as an escalation of an existing conflict, not a new one. That
sounds about right to me. One of the many parts missing from the
coverage is the 8 years of history between the 2 sides leading up to this.

What really makes me tremble is the thought of the punishment Putin will
be willing to inflict for not folding quickly, putting up a real fight
and a war of attrition, and particularly for the Moskva. That was such a
significant psychological blow they can't brush it off as just another
contact; think of what it must drive the average ill-informed conscript
and battle-hardened soldier on the ground to do. He's in a country he's
been taught to treat with contempt and they pump him with what those
bastards have done to his comrades... and hey, here's a village of
hold-outs that might have an arms cache or the resistance. Ay yi yi...
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Professor Michael J. Brenner,
https://scheerpost.com/2022/04/15/michael-brenner-american-dissent-on-ukraine-is-dying-in-darkness/
audio from 18:30 minutes
" .... i believe we are talking about collective psychopathology .... "
.... mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm .... sounds about right.
another source/report saying -- AN ASSAULT ON THE DONBASS WAS PLANNED .... early 2022 into february
catch up with audio Prof Michael Brenner 31-30 mins
https://scheerpost.com/2022/04/15/michael-brenner-american-dissent-on-ukraine-is-dying-in-darkness/
Biden speaking in early FEB that he knew Russia would attack/do something ... because Russia also knew an attack on the DONBASS was planned, there was 60,000 or more Ukrianian troops there, plus NATO/US advisors, and bucket loads of NATO/UK/US arms .....
and BIDEN saying if there was abig attack re[psonse by RUSSIA then there would be a large fight among NATO as to whether how much they would respond in kind to defend Ukraine ..... if it was a small attack then only sanctions would be applied AND THE NORD STREAM 2 WOULD BE SHUT DOWN .... turns out to be a HUGE RESPONSE by RUSSIA which shocked the living shit out of the USA/NATO Europe ... AND BIDEN ET AL ....
THAT 60K PLUS ATTACK FORCE OF UKRAINIAN MILITARY / NEONAZI MILITIA GROUPS IS NOW SURROUNDED BY RUSSIAN MILITARY IN THE DONBASS REGION NORTH OF MARIUPOL .... circa eastern Donestk region .....
BTW there are (2 plus dozen?) NATO "OFFICERS" stuck in MARIUPOL in underground MILITARY CONTROL CENTRE .... AND THEY CANNOT ESCAPE .
... several rescue attempts with helicopters the last 2-3 weeks have thwarted by russian forces
.. RUMOUR HAS IT THAT A US GENERAL HAS ALREADY BEEN CAPTURED by russia ..... but we'll see.
misc waffle fwiw
Apr 15 2022 18:44 utc | 49
The barbarians have always been the West. In the late fifteenth and sixteenth century Portugal destroyed the peaceful free trading zone in the Indian Ocean and South East Asia through violence, then Western Europe invaded much of the rest of the world practising genocide, land theft and extortion aided by the germs developed in their filthy living conditions. Prior to that they were a violent, uncivilized backwater. But they make up wonderful stories of their civilizational greatness, to hide the fact that they have always been the Barbarians that destroyed other more civilized nations.
Nothing has changed, as the West has shown by the outright theft of the Afghani treasury, and now that of Russia. And the arms resupply to Ukraine so that they can enjoy the theatre of Slavs killing each other.
Apr 15 2022 19:22 utc | 62
For One: he fell into Biden's war trap by invading first instead of waiting for Zelensky to invade the Donbas first which was a given to happen any day.
Second: he under estimated to Ukrainian resistance giving the RF a terrible bloody nose and some serious loses.
Third: he didn't bomb the Kiev main "command-decision centers" at the start of his operation
and FORTH ... completely missed the power of western 24/7 media war propaganda.
This war will not end well. Shame on the mess.!
.................
COMMENT - MYSTERIES surrounding the sinking of the moscow missile cruiser .... sounds norweign missiles with direct US drone support .... russia not saying to avoid [temporarily] raising the stakes with us/nato ops ..... gut feel? something BIG is going behind the scenes.
THE US deep state WANT Russia to cross the rubicon ... they want (need?) WWIII to happen ... they need to break Russia and separate it from China or else ..... the target is crippling china ... the USA will do anything it can to achieve this end to maintain it's unipolar world control over everyone one. even risking nuclear level war.
there are +1000 US military / CIA operations bases worldwide, right. That's not an accident.
why anyone would believe what comes out of washington, the WH, think tanks and the media (left or right) is quite stunning.
but people are self serving gullible and lazy. (more often than not)
Because the same handful of people who REALLY run the government and determine what policies are enacted own and run the major media outlets, and that is where most people get their information from. Business as usual for them. Control the perception, control the narrative.
Or was your statement rhetorical?
kind of rhetorical. as chomsky pointed out long ago there is a self-censoring that occurs ,,,, toe the party line works in the the west as much as it did in the USSR ..... there's some control going on sure but there is also a state consciousness at work ... beliefs knowledge attitudes cultures and so on too.
i think chomskys latest i view i posted is a good appraisal .... its not new. one can criticse abhor russia's current actions and stiil see the bigger picture finding the us/west equally culpable short and long term ...
anyway, nothing we say think will change a thing. just sharing some snippets along the way. eckankars deciets is just another microcosm of the global deceits biases and lies. soc stuff, the blind leading the blind with a few at the core pulling the strings. and lying all the time.
chomsky said something good, its not about being rational to solve such geopolitical conflicts its about being humane or not. then justifying not.
still, i'm not sure myself about all this stuff either .... call it my best guess, subject to change at any time. cheers
Tactically the Russians seem to be trying for a land-bridge from their
mainland through the NE of Ukraine to Crimea and the strategic port of
Odessa. In Soviet time Odessa was one of their critical ports, probably
of equal importance to anything they had. If I remember rightly wasn't
it the home port of the Black Sea fleet? I saw a website featuring a
mothballed Typhoon-class submarine, the largest ever built. A bit over
half the size of a Midway class carrier, they were incredible. Not one
but two huge pressure hulls inside the outer casing, each one 12M in
diamter. The whole thing had a beam of just over 25 meter wide... a sub!
And there is was, just tied up, rusting, all the weapons and secret
stuff removed but otherwise just as it'd been the last time it'd sailed,
and this camera crew simply walked on board and took photos. I believe
it was tied up at a pier in Odessa.
Ukraine is putting up a hell of a fight for such an unequal contest. On
the one hand it's encouraging to think they're not just laying down and
being taken over; on the other, it must mean much more pain for them as
Russia keeps pouring it on. Sometimes I can't help thinking, please,
come to terms, stop the bloodshed, this is too much. They've hit some
HUGE blows against Russia for a country of this size in this position
but won't Russia simply keep destroying their way to the end?
That said, I'm surprised at the relatively poor performance of the huge
force arrayed against Ukraine. Russia started this with, I think, about
2700 tanks and a week ago had lost 500 in this action - that's big. And
the loss of the Moskva... incredible pluck on the part of a much smaller
besieged nation but I can't help thinking it just means they will
receive all the worse punishment for it. And that seems to be so at the
ground level for the civilians. Some of the stories..
All of this must be taken through exactly the kind of filter you're
talking about, that what we receive through media channels is just so
much calculated, distorted material aimed to create a particular view,
not objective balanced reporting. But it's clearly an unequal battle.
Russia don't seem to have much of a reserve force to call up; they must
commit more of the standing forces. And the cost... actions on this
scale represent a HUGE national effort. It must be taking some large
slice of all of Russia's resources for a number of years to maintain
this force and these losses (no doubt Ukraine's losses will be
staggering to tally up too). Under the level of sanctions already in
place, and those piling up and yet to come, I wonder at the true cost to
Russia over the next several years.
Whatever the true situation, as to Russia's motives, Ukraine's actions
before the invasion and the real state of the war, the Russian
leadership must be VERY determined about this or they simply couldn't
and wouldn't have committed to this massive cost in resources. They
didn't simply build up a supply of materials and men and spend it, this
is seriously costing them. And I dread to think of the revenge in their
hearts they want to exact for it
HI Maplin, way back the wealthy greeks leaving Turkey (Ottoman empire) moved to odessa-muriopol region which was then under developed Russia. good at trade boats etc. Sevastopol was the naval base in black sea (though maybe some ships used odessa too?)
"it's clearly an unequal battle."
sure is.
Notice also many images of destruction were caused by Ukrainian forces, not russian. eg that street in boucha was ukrainina artillery. They hit buildings and homes too.
I have heard that russia has barely used it's forces and military/airpower to date. They've gone slowly often stopping, offering openings for people/army personell to retreat exit war zones. reports say ukrainian esp azov/right sector divisions stop that. some kill civilians trying to exit fighting zones.
I repeat that the mass grave in boucha church grounds was dug by Ukrainians with ambulance/medicos using it as an emergency place to TEMPORARILY bury the dead in body bags (no electricity / morgues etc) long before russian forces took over the town/region ..... and then they left. seen photos of this with Ukrainian personnel when they began dumping bodies there. if war crimes investigators don't look are not given these photos or ask the right people they will never know the truth of it. People lie get dangerously biased in war. Both sides.
"the Russian leadership must be VERY determined about this"
yes. they have been saying so for years and especially the last 6 months.
still no one in msm political circles speaks of the build up of ukrainian troops along line of control in donbass and uptick of major artillary fire from 16 feb by ukraine, was reported by OSCE monitors
from what i have seen heard, russia has barely deployed its full military capability.
eg "Russia is obviously prepared for it. It has so far held back large parts of its own forces. Russia has at least 12 tactical missile artillery brigades, each with 36 Iskander missile launchers and 144 fire ready missiles. Only three of the those brigades plus a third of two other ones have so far been committed: and - Most of the Russian airforce has likewise been held back."
"Yesterday there was no particular heavy fighting and the equipment destroyed on that one day alone was already more than what the U.S. has in total promised to send."
and mil.ru report -- "In total, 139 aircraft, 483 unmanned aerial vehicles, 250 anti-aircraft missile systems, 2,326 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 254 multiple launch rocket systems, 1,004 field artillery and mortars, as well as 2,184 units of special military vehicles of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were destroyed during the operation. "
eg https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/04/the-ukraine-is-still-losing-so-what-is-its-plan.html
The western media totally ignores russian mil reports. and other 3rd party reports that counter the current dogma .... that ukrainians are heroes and winning.
contrary to propaganda russia is taking great care in targeting use of force and is going slowly to avoid civilian casualties and unnecessary destruction. this has actually caused higher russian casualties and loss of mil equipment.
its a myth russian forces have been forced back out of cities ..... all part of the plans to secure the donbass and sth ukraine strip
AFAIK .... everything is filtered "reports" from others. i cannot know for sure. But I can see where the hyperbole and gross inconsistencies are coming from and it's not the Russians.
whether what russia has done is justified or not, they were very clear to nao, usa, eu , ukraine for years what was at stake .... putin upped the ante last year and reinforced what would come if nothing was done to respect russia security and the human political rights of donbass republics re minsk ii accords .....
what has happened since feb is precisely what putin said would happen IF nothing was done.
what he was asking for was not unreasonable ... and been on the table since 2015 re ukraine and before then overall from 2007 ....
he wasn't bluffing.
what he has done is no different than what nato, uk, the usa have been doing for DECADES all over the world at will.
they are all war criminals liars cheats and thieves and psychopaths imho.
Yes I did pick up on that particularly about the mass graves... "oh look
at what we found here when we started digging..." No not quite. Yes it
does seem that at least some of those we saw on the news were in fact
Ukranian-made mass grave sites, then turned around to look like it's
something they just stumbled across. Without trying to pick sides
(though i guess I've made my natural sympathies obvious enough), that's
about the type of media play I'd expect from any nation receiving
invaders - oh look at the horrors inflicted on us. RIght or wrong they
will use any tool in the box to gain supporters and paint the other guy
in a bad light.
I do not doubt for one instant that Ukraine's hands were not clean to
begin with and there is more to Russia's motives than anyone will tell
us in the mass media. Nonetheless, the actions against civilians are
abhorrent. Just like they are in all wars.
Wikipedia simply paints the Feb 2022 and continuing action as part of
the Russo-Ukranian war that started in 2014 and hasn't yet stopped; they
see it as an escalation of an existing conflict, not a new one. That
sounds about right to me. One of the many parts missing from the
coverage is the 8 years of history between the 2 sides leading up to this.
What really makes me tremble is the thought of the punishment Putin will
be willing to inflict for not folding quickly, putting up a real fight
and a war of attrition, and particularly for the Moskva. That was such a
significant psychological blow they can't brush it off as just another
contact; think of what it must drive the average ill-informed conscript
and battle-hardened soldier on the ground to do. He's in a country he's
been taught to treat with contempt and they pump him with what those
bastards have done to his comrades... and hey, here's a village of
hold-outs that might have an arms cache or the resistance. Ay yi yi...
I haven't heard seen anything that suggests russians or the military have been taught to treat ukraine with contempt. Rather the opposite as being a core part of historical russia and it's history. Russia began in Kiev you know. ?

Putin has always spoken positively about the brotherhood between ukraine and russia .... notes some mistake during ussr times, but does draw a line with extreme right fascist elements in ukraine during ww2 and today. These are political ideological differences with a small a minority of ukrianinas. about 45% of ukrainians primary language is russian.

imo putin knows ukraine was placed in the middle on purpose. politically the nation is split 50/50 on most topics. the EU deal for ukraine in 2013 was very poor, which why the president rejected it. that triggered the uprising who preferred the EU direction.

no one has clean hands least of all the USA and the europeans IMF etc .... and of course ukraine politicians, oligarchs, and courts and media and the people themselves. it is/was a shit hole ..... PPP is still 20% below what it was 1990 when the ussr collapsed.

the coutry has been open for bribes and geopolitical manipulation ever since.

here fwiw

Siding With Ukraine’s Far-Right, US Sabotaged Zelensky’s Peace Mandate
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In 2019, Zelensky was elected on an overwhelming mandate to make peace with Russia. As Stephen F. Cohen warned that year, the US chose to side with Ukraine’s far-right and fuel war.
https://scheerpost.com/2022/04/18/siding-with-ukraines-far-right-us-sabotaged-zelenskys-peace-mandate/

that's all quite true, but again it still more complicated this pov alone.

people have a extremely narrow attention span .... think the minsk 2 accords .... that was what zelensky was supposed start with to bring peace .... the question becomes (always) who actually held most of the power?????

not zelensky himself, and definitely not ukraine either ... so who? who has pushed for peace and resolution and negotiated equity and agreements and voting absence military threats/violence since 2013 and before then to now?

who has held more power than anyone else?
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Professor Michael J. Brenner,
https://scheerpost.com/2022/04/15/michael-brenner-american-dissent-on-ukraine-is-dying-in-darkness/
audio from 18:30 minutes
" .... i believe we are talking about collective psychopathology .... "
.... mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm .... sounds about right.
another source/report saying -- AN ASSAULT ON THE DONBASS WAS PLANNED .... early 2022 into february
catch up with audio Prof Michael Brenner 31-30 mins
https://scheerpost.com/2022/04/15/michael-brenner-american-dissent-on-ukraine-is-dying-in-darkness/
Biden speaking in early FEB that he knew Russia would attack/do something ... because Russia also knew an attack on the DONBASS was planned, there was 60,000 or more Ukrianian troops there, plus NATO/US advisors, and bucket loads of NATO/UK/US arms .....
and BIDEN saying if there was abig attack re[psonse by RUSSIA then there would be a large fight among NATO as to whether how much they would respond in kind to defend Ukraine ..... if it was a small attack then only sanctions would be applied AND THE NORD STREAM 2 WOULD BE SHUT DOWN .... turns out to be a HUGE RESPONSE by RUSSIA which shocked the living shit out of the USA/NATO Europe ... AND BIDEN ET AL ....
THAT 60K PLUS ATTACK FORCE OF UKRAINIAN MILITARY / NEONAZI MILITIA GROUPS IS NOW SURROUNDED BY RUSSIAN MILITARY IN THE DONBASS REGION NORTH OF MARIUPOL .... circa eastern Donestk region .....
BTW there are (2 plus dozen?) NATO "OFFICERS" stuck in MARIUPOL in underground MILITARY CONTROL CENTRE .... AND THEY CANNOT ESCAPE .
... several rescue attempts with helicopters the last 2-3 weeks have thwarted by russian forces
.. RUMOUR HAS IT THAT A US GENERAL HAS ALREADY BEEN CAPTURED by russia ..... but we'll see.
misc waffle fwiw
Apr 15 2022 18:44 utc | 49
The barbarians have always been the West. In the late fifteenth and sixteenth century Portugal destroyed the peaceful free trading zone in the Indian Ocean and South East Asia through violence, then Western Europe invaded much of the rest of the world practising genocide, land theft and extortion aided by the germs developed in their filthy living conditions. Prior to that they were a violent, uncivilized backwater. But they make up wonderful stories of their civilizational greatness, to hide the fact that they have always been the Barbarians that destroyed other more civilized nations.
Nothing has changed, as the West has shown by the outright theft of the Afghani treasury, and now that of Russia. And the arms resupply to Ukraine so that they can enjoy the theatre of Slavs killing each other.
Apr 15 2022 19:22 utc | 62
For One: he fell into Biden's war trap by invading first instead of waiting for Zelensky to invade the Donbas first which was a given to happen any day.
Second: he under estimated to Ukrainian resistance giving the RF a terrible bloody nose and some serious loses.
Third: he didn't bomb the Kiev main "command-decision centers" at the start of his operation
and FORTH ... completely missed the power of western 24/7 media war propaganda.
This war will not end well. Shame on the mess.!
.................
COMMENT - MYSTERIES surrounding the sinking of the moscow missile cruiser .... sounds norweign missiles with direct US drone support .... russia not saying to avoid [temporarily] raising the stakes with us/nato ops ..... gut feel? something BIG is going behind the scenes.
THE US deep state WANT Russia to cross the rubicon ... they want (need?) WWIII to happen ... they need to break Russia and separate it from China or else ..... the target is crippling china ... the USA will do anything it can to achieve this end to maintain it's unipolar world control over everyone one. even risking nuclear level war.
there are +1000 US military / CIA operations bases worldwide, right. That's not an accident.
why anyone would believe what comes out of washington, the WH, think tanks and the media (left or right) is quite stunning.
but people are self serving gullible and lazy. (more often than not)
Because the same handful of people who REALLY run the government and determine what policies are enacted own and run the major media outlets, and that is where most people get their information from. Business as usual for them. Control the perception, control the narrative.
Or was your statement rhetorical?
kind of rhetorical. as chomsky pointed out long ago there is a self-censoring that occurs ,,,, toe the party line works in the the west as much as it did in the USSR ..... there's some control going on sure but there is also a state consciousness at work ... beliefs knowledge attitudes cultures and so on too.
i think chomskys latest i view i posted is a good appraisal .... its not new. one can criticse abhor russia's current actions and stiil see the bigger picture finding the us/west equally culpable short and long term ...
anyway, nothing we say think will change a thing. just sharing some snippets along the way. eckankars deciets is just another microcosm of the global deceits biases and lies. soc stuff, the blind leading the blind with a few at the core pulling the strings. and lying all the time.
chomsky said something good, its not about being rational to solve such geopolitical conflicts its about being humane or not. then justifying not.
still, i'm not sure myself about all this stuff either .... call it my best guess, subject to change at any time. cheers
Tactically the Russians seem to be trying for a land-bridge from their
mainland through the NE of Ukraine to Crimea and the strategic port of
Odessa. In Soviet time Odessa was one of their critical ports, probably
of equal importance to anything they had. If I remember rightly wasn't
it the home port of the Black Sea fleet? I saw a website featuring a
mothballed Typhoon-class submarine, the largest ever built. A bit over
half the size of a Midway class carrier, they were incredible. Not one
but two huge pressure hulls inside the outer casing, each one 12M in
diamter. The whole thing had a beam of just over 25 meter wide... a sub!
And there is was, just tied up, rusting, all the weapons and secret
stuff removed but otherwise just as it'd been the last time it'd sailed,
and this camera crew simply walked on board and took photos. I believe
it was tied up at a pier in Odessa.
Ukraine is putting up a hell of a fight for such an unequal contest. On
the one hand it's encouraging to think they're not just laying down and
being taken over; on the other, it must mean much more pain for them as
Russia keeps pouring it on. Sometimes I can't help thinking, please,
come to terms, stop the bloodshed, this is too much. They've hit some
HUGE blows against Russia for a country of this size in this position
but won't Russia simply keep destroying their way to the end?
That said, I'm surprised at the relatively poor performance of the huge
force arrayed against Ukraine. Russia started this with, I think, about
2700 tanks and a week ago had lost 500 in this action - that's big. And
the loss of the Moskva... incredible pluck on the part of a much smaller
besieged nation but I can't help thinking it just means they will
receive all the worse punishment for it. And that seems to be so at the
ground level for the civilians. Some of the stories..
All of this must be taken through exactly the kind of filter you're
talking about, that what we receive through media channels is just so
much calculated, distorted material aimed to create a particular view,
not objective balanced reporting. But it's clearly an unequal battle.
Russia don't seem to have much of a reserve force to call up; they must
commit more of the standing forces. And the cost... actions on this
scale represent a HUGE national effort. It must be taking some large
slice of all of Russia's resources for a number of years to maintain
this force and these losses (no doubt Ukraine's losses will be
staggering to tally up too). Under the level of sanctions already in
place, and those piling up and yet to come, I wonder at the true cost to
Russia over the next several years.
Whatever the true situation, as to Russia's motives, Ukraine's actions
before the invasion and the real state of the war, the Russian
leadership must be VERY determined about this or they simply couldn't
and wouldn't have committed to this massive cost in resources. They
didn't simply build up a supply of materials and men and spend it, this
is seriously costing them. And I dread to think of the revenge in their
hearts they want to exact for it
HI Maplin, way back the wealthy greeks leaving Turkey (Ottoman empire) moved to odessa-muriopol region which was then under developed Russia. good at trade boats etc. Sevastopol was the naval base in black sea (though maybe some ships used odessa too?)
"it's clearly an unequal battle."
sure is.
Notice also many images of destruction were caused by Ukrainian forces, not russian. eg that street in boucha was ukrainina artillery. They hit buildings and homes too.
I have heard that russia has barely used it's forces and military/airpower to date. They've gone slowly often stopping, offering openings for people/army personell to retreat exit war zones. reports say ukrainian esp azov/right sector divisions stop that. some kill civilians trying to exit fighting zones.
I repeat that the mass grave in boucha church grounds was dug by Ukrainians with ambulance/medicos using it as an emergency place to TEMPORARILY bury the dead in body bags (no electricity / morgues etc) long before russian forces took over the town/region ..... and then they left. seen photos of this with Ukrainian personnel when they began dumping bodies there. if war crimes investigators don't look are not given these photos or ask the right people they will never know the truth of it. People lie get dangerously biased in war. Both sides.
"the Russian leadership must be VERY determined about this"
yes. they have been saying so for years and especially the last 6 months.
still no one in msm political circles speaks of the build up of ukrainian troops along line of control in donbass and uptick of major artillary fire from 16 feb by ukraine, was reported by OSCE monitors
from what i have seen heard, russia has barely deployed its full military capability.
eg "Russia is obviously prepared for it. It has so far held back large parts of its own forces. Russia has at least 12 tactical missile artillery brigades, each with 36 Iskander missile launchers and 144 fire ready missiles. Only three of the those brigades plus a third of two other ones have so far been committed: and - Most of the Russian airforce has likewise been held back."
"Yesterday there was no particular heavy fighting and the equipment destroyed on that one day alone was already more than what the U.S. has in total promised to send."
and mil.ru report -- "In total, 139 aircraft, 483 unmanned aerial vehicles, 250 anti-aircraft missile systems, 2,326 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 254 multiple launch rocket systems, 1,004 field artillery and mortars, as well as 2,184 units of special military vehicles of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were destroyed during the operation. "
eg https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/04/the-ukraine-is-still-losing-so-what-is-its-plan.html
The western media totally ignores russian mil reports. and other 3rd party reports that counter the current dogma .... that ukrainians are heroes and winning.
contrary to propaganda russia is taking great care in targeting use of force and is going slowly to avoid civilian casualties and unnecessary destruction. this has actually caused higher russian casualties and loss of mil equipment.
its a myth russian forces have been forced back out of cities ..... all part of the plans to secure the donbass and sth ukraine strip
AFAIK .... everything is filtered "reports" from others. i cannot know for sure. But I can see where the hyperbole and gross inconsistencies are coming from and it's not the Russians.
whether what russia has done is justified or not, they were very clear to nao, usa, eu , ukraine for years what was at stake .... putin upped the ante last year and reinforced what would come if nothing was done to respect russia security and the human political rights of donbass republics re minsk ii accords .....
what has happened since feb is precisely what putin said would happen IF nothing was done.
what he was asking for was not unreasonable ... and been on the table since 2015 re ukraine and before then overall from 2007 ....
he wasn't bluffing.
what he has done is no different than what nato, uk, the usa have been doing for DECADES all over the world at will.
they are all war criminals liars cheats and thieves and psychopaths imho.
Yes I did pick up on that particularly about the mass graves... "oh look
at what we found here when we started digging..." No not quite. Yes it
does seem that at least some of those we saw on the news were in fact
Ukranian-made mass grave sites, then turned around to look like it's
something they just stumbled across. Without trying to pick sides
(though i guess I've made my natural sympathies obvious enough), that's
about the type of media play I'd expect from any nation receiving
invaders - oh look at the horrors inflicted on us. RIght or wrong they
will use any tool in the box to gain supporters and paint the other guy
in a bad light.
I do not doubt for one instant that Ukraine's hands were not clean to
begin with and there is more to Russia's motives than anyone will tell
us in the mass media. Nonetheless, the actions against civilians are
abhorrent. Just like they are in all wars.
Wikipedia simply paints the Feb 2022 and continuing action as part of
the Russo-Ukranian war that started in 2014 and hasn't yet stopped; they
see it as an escalation of an existing conflict, not a new one. That
sounds about right to me. One of the many parts missing from the
coverage is the 8 years of history between the 2 sides leading up to this.
What really makes me tremble is the thought of the punishment Putin will
be willing to inflict for not folding quickly, putting up a real fight
and a war of attrition, and particularly for the Moskva. That was such a
significant psychological blow they can't brush it off as just another
contact; think of what it must drive the average ill-informed conscript
and battle-hardened soldier on the ground to do. He's in a country he's
been taught to treat with contempt and they pump him with what those
bastards have done to his comrades... and hey, here's a village of
hold-outs that might have an arms cache or the resistance. Ay yi yi...
PS that some individual soldiers don't act well is besides the point. that always happens. that cant be stopped, but it is a distraction ..... well imho it is.

when it comes to the media (na dbias incompetence) there are very powerful systemic institutional issues at play.
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Professor Michael J. Brenner,
https://scheerpost.com/2022/04/15/michael-brenner-american-dissent-on-ukraine-is-dying-in-darkness/
audio from 18:30 minutes
" .... i believe we are talking about collective psychopathology .... "
.... mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm .... sounds about right.
another source/report saying -- AN ASSAULT ON THE DONBASS WAS PLANNED .... early 2022 into february
catch up with audio Prof Michael Brenner 31-30 mins
https://scheerpost.com/2022/04/15/michael-brenner-american-dissent-on-ukraine-is-dying-in-darkness/
Biden speaking in early FEB that he knew Russia would attack/do something ... because Russia also knew an attack on the DONBASS was planned, there was 60,000 or more Ukrianian troops there, plus NATO/US advisors, and bucket loads of NATO/UK/US arms .....
and BIDEN saying if there was abig attack re[psonse by RUSSIA then there would be a large fight among NATO as to whether how much they would respond in kind to defend Ukraine ..... if it was a small attack then only sanctions would be applied AND THE NORD STREAM 2 WOULD BE SHUT DOWN .... turns out to be a HUGE RESPONSE by RUSSIA which shocked the living shit out of the USA/NATO Europe ... AND BIDEN ET AL ....
THAT 60K PLUS ATTACK FORCE OF UKRAINIAN MILITARY / NEONAZI MILITIA GROUPS IS NOW SURROUNDED BY RUSSIAN MILITARY IN THE DONBASS REGION NORTH OF MARIUPOL .... circa eastern Donestk region .....
BTW there are (2 plus dozen?) NATO "OFFICERS" stuck in MARIUPOL in underground MILITARY CONTROL CENTRE .... AND THEY CANNOT ESCAPE .
... several rescue attempts with helicopters the last 2-3 weeks have thwarted by russian forces
.. RUMOUR HAS IT THAT A US GENERAL HAS ALREADY BEEN CAPTURED by russia ..... but we'll see.
misc waffle fwiw
Apr 15 2022 18:44 utc | 49
The barbarians have always been the West. In the late fifteenth and sixteenth century Portugal destroyed the peaceful free trading zone in the Indian Ocean and South East Asia through violence, then Western Europe invaded much of the rest of the world practising genocide, land theft and extortion aided by the germs developed in their filthy living conditions. Prior to that they were a violent, uncivilized backwater. But they make up wonderful stories of their civilizational greatness, to hide the fact that they have always been the Barbarians that destroyed other more civilized nations.
Nothing has changed, as the West has shown by the outright theft of the Afghani treasury, and now that of Russia. And the arms resupply to Ukraine so that they can enjoy the theatre of Slavs killing each other.
Apr 15 2022 19:22 utc | 62
For One: he fell into Biden's war trap by invading first instead of waiting for Zelensky to invade the Donbas first which was a given to happen any day.
Second: he under estimated to Ukrainian resistance giving the RF a terrible bloody nose and some serious loses.
Third: he didn't bomb the Kiev main "command-decision centers" at the start of his operation
and FORTH ... completely missed the power of western 24/7 media war propaganda.
This war will not end well. Shame on the mess.!
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COMMENT - MYSTERIES surrounding the sinking of the moscow missile cruiser .... sounds norweign missiles with direct US drone support .... russia not saying to avoid [temporarily] raising the stakes with us/nato ops ..... gut feel? something BIG is going behind the scenes.
THE US deep state WANT Russia to cross the rubicon ... they want (need?) WWIII to happen ... they need to break Russia and separate it from China or else ..... the target is crippling china ... the USA will do anything it can to achieve this end to maintain it's unipolar world control over everyone one. even risking nuclear level war.
there are +1000 US military / CIA operations bases worldwide, right. That's not an accident.
why anyone would believe what comes out of washington, the WH, think tanks and the media (left or right) is quite stunning.
but people are self serving gullible and lazy. (more often than not)
Because the same handful of people who REALLY run the government and determine what policies are enacted own and run the major media outlets, and that is where most people get their information from. Business as usual for them. Control the perception, control the narrative.
Or was your statement rhetorical?
kind of rhetorical. as chomsky pointed out long ago there is a self-censoring that occurs ,,,, toe the party line works in the the west as much as it did in the USSR ..... there's some control going on sure but there is also a state consciousness at work ... beliefs knowledge attitudes cultures and so on too.
i think chomskys latest i view i posted is a good appraisal .... its not new. one can criticse abhor russia's current actions and stiil see the bigger picture finding the us/west equally culpable short and long term ...
anyway, nothing we say think will change a thing. just sharing some snippets along the way. eckankars deciets is just another microcosm of the global deceits biases and lies. soc stuff, the blind leading the blind with a few at the core pulling the strings. and lying all the time.
chomsky said something good, its not about being rational to solve such geopolitical conflicts its about being humane or not. then justifying not.
still, i'm not sure myself about all this stuff either .... call it my best guess, subject to change at any time. cheers
PS here is another historical summary

commenter says

Katie
Jan 13·edited Jan 13
"Wow! For the first time, I feel as though I have a reasonable understanding of what led to this point. Thanks for a thorough - and understandable by ordinary readers! - explanation of the history leading up to this current crisis. "
jan 13
Putin's Challenge to Western hegemony - the 2022 edition.
https://adamtooze.substack.com/p/chartbook-68-putins-challenge-to?s=r

and this is ok too, though a little too biased to the west pov, misses a few details imo but still better than the msm.
Ukraine: The Most Dangerous Problem in the World
But there’s already a solution.
By Anatol Lieven
November 15, 2021
https://www.thenation.com/article/world/ukraine-donbas-russia-conflict/


19 Apr 2022 People of Mariupol Ukraine at border tell what really happened
- azov/right sector shooting civilians and at retreating ukrainian military [ who can prove that true or false today???? ]

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