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Etznab
2022-03-25 02:37:53 UTC
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How many members of Eckankar, clergy, and leaders knew about plagiarisms and fictions (including a fictional Rebazar Tarzs) for years?

Did they bother to tell all the new members? who paid their yearly donations?

So, so many years later and so, so many people having to find out fact from fiction on their own. And the leader says it's more fun that way?

"Somebody asked Paul why he didn't simply look into the ECK-Vidya whenever he needed to know something. He said he didn't want to take all the surprise and adventure out of life. I feel the same way. It's more fun to find out yourself rather than be told. This is why the ECK initiates go out and find material about Sudar Singh themselves."

http://web.archive.org/web/20170906015430/http://www.eckankar.org/Masters/Peddar/man2.html

https://groups.google.com/g/alt.religion.eckankar/c/xojNPlVY4fo/m/-EXkaVZrDAAJ

Oh. Sudar Singh? Why not check alumni records at Oxford!

https://groups.google.com/g/alt.religion.eckankar/c/0PlkI4btLsg/m/NEHnkfgAOogJ
Kinpa
2022-04-09 15:27:35 UTC
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Post by Etznab
How many members of Eckankar, clergy, and leaders knew about plagiarisms and fictions (including a fictional Rebazar Tarzs) for years?
Did they bother to tell all the new members? who paid their yearly donations?
So, so many years later and so, so many people having to find out fact from fiction on their own. And the leader says it's more fun that way?
"Somebody asked Paul why he didn't simply look into the ECK-Vidya whenever he needed to know something. He said he didn't want to take all the surprise and adventure out of life. I feel the same way. It's more fun to find out yourself rather than be told. This is why the ECK initiates go out and find material about Sudar Singh themselves."
http://web.archive.org/web/20170906015430/http://www.eckankar.org/Masters/Peddar/man2.html
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.religion.eckankar/c/xojNPlVY4fo/m/-EXkaVZrDAAJ
Oh. Sudar Singh? Why not check alumni records at Oxford!
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.religion.eckankar/c/0PlkI4btLsg/m/NEHnkfgAOogJ
Prove him fictional. You have never come anywhere c,lose to doing that. It is an assumption that you have because you've had no ability to go within and remain conscious at all, so you were never able to actually speak with that individual.

Finding some plagiarized phrases in a book mean nothing other than that someone used plagiarism. It doesn't address the reality or lack thereof of anyone. I mean you are free to belief Rebazar Tarzs a fictional character if you'd like to, but that is a personal decision with no direct evidence to support it. That is all it will ever be until you find a way to make an inner thing provable to the outer world. You've got nothing but assumption. How many care about your opinion? How many walking the earth does it affect? Not many. You're free to have it but you still have never proven it to be true, so stop claiming it.

That makes you a liar at the very least. If not then go ahead and PROVE that no such individual exists.
Tisra Til
2022-04-09 23:59:23 UTC
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Post by Etznab
How many members of Eckankar, clergy, and leaders knew about plagiarisms and fictions (including a fictional Rebazar Tarzs) for years?
Did they bother to tell all the new members? who paid their yearly donations?
So, so many years later and so, so many people having to find out fact from fiction on their own. And the leader says it's more fun that way?
"Somebody asked Paul why he didn't simply look into the ECK-Vidya whenever he needed to know something. He said he didn't want to take all the surprise and adventure out of life. I feel the same way. It's more fun to find out yourself rather than be told. This is why the ECK initiates go out and find material about Sudar Singh themselves."
http://web.archive.org/web/20170906015430/http://www.eckankar.org/Masters/Peddar/man2.html
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.religion.eckankar/c/xojNPlVY4fo/m/-EXkaVZrDAAJ
Oh. Sudar Singh? Why not check alumni records at Oxford!
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.religion.eckankar/c/0PlkI4btLsg/m/NEHnkfgAOogJ
Prove him fictional. You have never come anywhere c,lose to doing that. It is an assumption that you have because you've had no ability to go within and remain conscious at all, so you were never able to actually speak with that individual.
Finding some plagiarized phrases in a book mean nothing other than that someone used plagiarism. It doesn't address the reality or lack thereof of anyone. I mean you are free to belief Rebazar Tarzs a fictional character if you'd like to, but that is a personal decision with no direct evidence to support it. That is all it will ever be until you find a way to make an inner thing provable to the outer world. You've got nothing but assumption. How many care about your opinion? How many walking the earth does it affect? Not many. You're free to have it but you still have never proven it to be true, so stop claiming it.
That makes you a liar at the very least. If not then go ahead and PROVE that no such individual exists.
Prove he is actual. A picture; you two shaking hands, arms around each other, sitting next to each other on the roller coaster ride.

Oh, wait. Let me guess. It’s all subjective, so you can’t prove he exists.
“I saw him on the “inner”, and he talked to me, and we had such a wonderful conversation. So he just has to be real, and not a figment (creation) of my overactive imagination.”

FANTASYLAND, dude. Fantasyland. Grow up, for Christ’s sake. You are a joke compared to Etznab. Nothing but the contents of your jokes 💩 in that cranium of yours. Trying to save face is what you are doing. Your EGO is on full display here. S - F - B. 🤡.
Kinpa
2022-04-10 00:15:13 UTC
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Post by Etznab
How many members of Eckankar, clergy, and leaders knew about plagiarisms and fictions (including a fictional Rebazar Tarzs) for years?
Did they bother to tell all the new members? who paid their yearly donations?
So, so many years later and so, so many people having to find out fact from fiction on their own. And the leader says it's more fun that way?
"Somebody asked Paul why he didn't simply look into the ECK-Vidya whenever he needed to know something. He said he didn't want to take all the surprise and adventure out of life. I feel the same way. It's more fun to find out yourself rather than be told. This is why the ECK initiates go out and find material about Sudar Singh themselves."
http://web.archive.org/web/20170906015430/http://www.eckankar.org/Masters/Peddar/man2.html
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.religion.eckankar/c/xojNPlVY4fo/m/-EXkaVZrDAAJ
Oh. Sudar Singh? Why not check alumni records at Oxford!
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.religion.eckankar/c/0PlkI4btLsg/m/NEHnkfgAOogJ
Prove him fictional. You have never come anywhere c,lose to doing that. It is an assumption that you have because you've had no ability to go within and remain conscious at all, so you were never able to actually speak with that individual.
Finding some plagiarized phrases in a book mean nothing other than that someone used plagiarism. It doesn't address the reality or lack thereof of anyone. I mean you are free to belief Rebazar Tarzs a fictional character if you'd like to, but that is a personal decision with no direct evidence to support it. That is all it will ever be until you find a way to make an inner thing provable to the outer world. You've got nothing but assumption. How many care about your opinion? How many walking the earth does it affect? Not many. You're free to have it but you still have never proven it to be true, so stop claiming it.
That makes you a liar at the very least. If not then go ahead and PROVE that no such individual exists.
Prove he is actual. A picture; you two shaking hands, arms around each other, sitting next to each other on the roller coaster ride.
Oh, wait. Let me guess. It’s all subjective, so you can’t prove he exists.
“I saw him on the “inner”, and he talked to me, and we had such a wonderful conversation. So he just has to be real, and not a figment (creation) of my overactive imagination.”
FANTASYLAND, dude. Fantasyland. Grow up, for Christ’s sake. You are a joke compared to Etznab. Nothing but the contents of your jokes 💩 in that cranium of yours. Trying to save face is what you are doing. Your EGO is on full display here. S - F - B. 🤡.
You're mistaken. I made no assertion about anything. I don't need to prove a thing to you. Not that it would make any difference anyhow, due to your own subjectivity. Fantasyland is what you're displaying. You flatter yourself by heaping your opinions (mental creations) upon me, but it is highly comical because obviously what I said bothered you so much that you just had to respond. Hilarious (as usual).

I am already grown, and Christ hasn't a thing to do with anything. There is no need to save face, because I never cared enough about your, Etznab's or Sean's opinions of me to bother. Get over yourself. Ego? Of course, because everyone has one, I never said otherwise. Funny that your ego grasps at that old horse, is that seriously the best that you can do? But your ego has always been on full display, just as is everyone else's. It is literally impossible to post anything here without using the ego. Nice attempt at distraction from my original challenge to Etznab, but he still needs to prove his claims. He said them and has done so repeatedly, therefore the responsibility for providing proof is all his, not mine.

If that isn't good enough for you, that is too bad. You've no choice left but to get over it. No other option exists. Strange that you seem to not realize any of that, but whichever. Keep trying however, your desperation is the only thing speaking louder than your ego does, and I am endlessly entertained by it! Free comedy is the very best kind! Enjoy your subjective POV. I certainly have been.
Tisra Til
2022-04-10 22:26:50 UTC
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Post by Kinpa
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How many members of Eckankar, clergy, and leaders knew about plagiarisms and fictions (including a fictional Rebazar Tarzs) for years?
Did they bother to tell all the new members? who paid their yearly donations?
So, so many years later and so, so many people having to find out fact from fiction on their own. And the leader says it's more fun that way?
"Somebody asked Paul why he didn't simply look into the ECK-Vidya whenever he needed to know something. He said he didn't want to take all the surprise and adventure out of life. I feel the same way. It's more fun to find out yourself rather than be told. This is why the ECK initiates go out and find material about Sudar Singh themselves."
http://web.archive.org/web/20170906015430/http://www.eckankar.org/Masters/Peddar/man2.html
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.religion.eckankar/c/xojNPlVY4fo/m/-EXkaVZrDAAJ
Oh. Sudar Singh? Why not check alumni records at Oxford!
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.religion.eckankar/c/0PlkI4btLsg/m/NEHnkfgAOogJ
Prove him fictional. You have never come anywhere c,lose to doing that. It is an assumption that you have because you've had no ability to go within and remain conscious at all, so you were never able to actually speak with that individual.
Finding some plagiarized phrases in a book mean nothing other than that someone used plagiarism. It doesn't address the reality or lack thereof of anyone. I mean you are free to belief Rebazar Tarzs a fictional character if you'd like to, but that is a personal decision with no direct evidence to support it. That is all it will ever be until you find a way to make an inner thing provable to the outer world. You've got nothing but assumption. How many care about your opinion? How many walking the earth does it affect? Not many. You're free to have it but you still have never proven it to be true, so stop claiming it.
That makes you a liar at the very least. If not then go ahead and PROVE that no such individual exists.
Prove he is actual. A picture; you two shaking hands, arms around each other, sitting next to each other on the roller coaster ride.
Oh, wait. Let me guess. It’s all subjective, so you can’t prove he exists.
“I saw him on the “inner”, and he talked to me, and we had such a wonderful conversation. So he just has to be real, and not a figment (creation) of my overactive imagination.”
FANTASYLAND, dude. Fantasyland. Grow up, for Christ’s sake. You are a joke compared to Etznab. Nothing but the contents of your jokes 💩 in that cranium of yours. Trying to save face is what you are doing. Your EGO is on full display here. S - F - B. 🤡.
You're mistaken. I made no assertion about anything. I don't need to prove a thing to you. Not that it would make any difference anyhow, due to your own subjectivity. Fantasyland is what you're displaying. You flatter yourself by heaping your opinions (mental creations) upon me, but it is highly comical because obviously what I said bothered you so much that you just had to respond. Hilarious (as usual).
I am already grown, and Christ hasn't a thing to do with anything. There is no need to save face, because I never cared enough about your, Etznab's or Sean's opinions of me to bother. Get over yourself. Ego? Of course, because everyone has one, I never said otherwise. Funny that your ego grasps at that old horse, is that seriously the best that you can do? But your ego has always been on full display, just as is everyone else's. It is literally impossible to post anything here without using the ego. Nice attempt at distraction from my original challenge to Etznab, but he still needs to prove his claims. He said them and has done so repeatedly, therefore the responsibility for providing proof is all his, not mine.
If that isn't good enough for you, that is too bad. You've no choice left but to get over it. No other option exists. Strange that you seem to not realize any of that, but whichever. Keep trying however, your desperation is the only thing speaking louder than your ego does, and I am endlessly entertained by it! Free comedy is the very best kind! Enjoy your subjective POV. I certainly have been.
Yes you did. And I quote: “prove him fictional.” That is by definition an assertion. You asserted something, and I came back with a logical retort to that assertion, “prove he is not fictional.”

So either read what you ACTUALLY said, take some basic English courses, or a philosophy class. Take your head out of the clouds, Potsie. You know you can’t prove that a Rebazar Tarsz ever existed, or Paul Twitchell didn’t plagiarize his ass off. You only have subjective experiences, and choose to ignore the buttload (which you have quite an acquaintance with) of proof that he plagiarized the works of others, including the “holy” Shariyat Ki Sugmad: all kinds of verbatim copying in there.

Like I said: FANTASYLAND. If you know what the end goal of studying Eckankar is, please enlighten me. I would really like to know. What is the basic philosophy of Eckankar, in fifty words or less? Thank you in advance, Potsie.
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