Get the shot?

Post by Etznab
10:20
video at bottom page. They lied in order to sell the vaccine!
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/flu-misinformation-and-coronavirus-fears-my-letter-to-dr-sanjay-gupta/
See 10 minutes, 20 seconds.
So it's not like they never stretched the truth about a vaccine before.

I've had my first, of Astra Zenica. I'm not worried at all about
catching COVID, not living where I do in Western Australia, but I got it
because if I expect to ever resume working in international concert
tours then those who've been vaccinated are more likely to get to work
with international crews. Almost all the big shows we get here are from
the USA; COVID is now under much better control over there than last
year but still, it's pretty rife in certain sectors.

There are most certainly risks with the current vaccines, and they are
absolutely a rush job compared to the usual regime of development and
testing. I would expect newer and better generations of COVID vaccines
to start appearing later.

I got a bit of a reaction from my first jab, I had a pretty unpleasant
headache with some mild feverishness for a couple of hours, and I felt
nauseated. Not enough to throw up. Weirdly, after it settled down, I got
the same reaction again but milder about 24 hours later, for an hour or
so the next night. I'd had my jab in the early afternoon, felt
absolutely nothing for about 8 hours, then the reaction came later.

My mother's best friend, in her early 80's, was told by her GP that you
didn't have to wait 12 weeks between the 1st and 2nd shots of Astra
Zenica, go ahead and have it now when she was at about 5 or 6 weeks from
the first shot (it might have been less than that). Well, she ended up
in hospital, and they told her that this doctor was absolutely wrong for
people in her category, with Astra Zenica elderly people especially
cannot have their 2nd shot that close to the first. I'm still waiting
for my 2nd, in about 2 weeks that will be the 3 months since I had my first.

A few days after I turned 50 they made AZ available to over-50's, so for
the reasons above I decided to get it done. It was very easy, straight
through, I was in and out and all done in about 25 minutes including the
15 minutes sitting in observation waiting to see in case I had an
immediate bad reaction. Since then they've started saying, nope, not
recommended for under 60's any more, but with the huge Delta strain
outbreak in Sydney and surrounding areas of New South Wales, they're
urging people to consider AZ if they're younger... there seems to be
some conflict between the advice from the medicos and the politicians,
who are the ones urging everyone from 18 y.o. to "strongly consider" AZ,
since that's the one vaccine Australia has plenty of stocks of. The bad
publicity and changing advice has made people reluctant to get it, or at
least to wait and see what happens with it.

I'm hearing that if you have your first shot with AZ and the second with
Pfizer, that appears to give you the best immunological protection from
COVID currently available, but that is NOT universally agreed among the
researchers, even those who suggested it are saying it's really too
early to be sure. However, I wished I'd held out for Pfizer once they
started changing the advice re. AZ, so if I *can* get Pfizer for my 2nd
shot I will. They're also revising up the apparent effectiveness of AZ,
and revising it down for Pfizer, but again, the early evidence suggests
a mix of the two is best.... that sounds acceptable to me.

Australia continues to do the lockdowns pretty well (except for those
FREAKIN' MORONS!! with their "freedom rally", Oh No don't make us wear
masks it infringes on our civil rights!!, so we're throwing a Super
Spreader event amid the Delta outbreak just to prove a point), but has
totally dropped the ball on the vaccine program. They're crying that
they couldn't get adequate supplies of Pfizer, while the millions of
doses of AZ they *have* got are going to waste while people aren't sure
whether to get them or not. But in fact, Pfizer offered to make a deal
with the Aust. federal govt. to supply vaccines long ago and the govt.
actually turned them down, apparently because they believed they had it
covered (exactly how, they're not saying). So now, they just announced a
new deal with Pfizer for 85 million doses over 2 years, to get everyone
done who hasn't had it yet and to have booster shots available for next
year (AFAIK Australia's current population is a bit over 26 million).

While the USA is at well over 60% of people vaccinated, last I heard
we're at about 13%... yeah great job guys, way to go. We've got our
doubters like anywhere else but in the main, especially working people
are quite happy to get the shot so they can officially go back to work
and reopen their businesses, and all that.

There certainly are problems with the current 1st-generation COVID
vaccines and these are well documented, but state and fed. govt's here
are jumping pretty hard all over the outright misinformation and
fabrications out there, as well as the plain old nutjobs. There are
definitely plenty of those; when I say jumping on them they're not
resorting to actual censorship AFAIK, just countering with the official
line. The smart thing to do is *admit* the problems but keep them in
perspective, as the risks are really very low and the number of people
affected is very small. Certainly a tiny fraction of the risk that the
virus itself poses... if that doesn't sit right then consider the risks
to jobs and liberty while governments are still at the lockdown stage. I
personally think my chances of exposure to COVID, living in Perth, are
negligible, but I got my shot for work reasons. If I lived in Sydney
right now, I *would* be getting it as a means of protection against the
Delta outbreak.

BTW, it seems the great majority of those catching Delta in Sydney now
are those who won't observe the lockdown and who do things like refuse
masks and limiting contact. There's a reason ships have had the yellow
flag (contagion) for centuries before they even knew what a disease
really was or how it transmitted - because that's the one means of
actually stopping the thing that actually works, absent effective vaccines.

Seems such a shame to have gone through all the lockdowns and economic
devastation, just for the government to so badly drop that vaccination
ball and put us half a year or more behind where we could and should be
with getting to grips with the virus.

Tisra Til

2021-08-03 15:39:34 UTC

I've had my first, of Astra Zenica. I'm not worried at all about
catching COVID, not living where I do in Western Australia, but I got it
because if I expect to ever resume working in international concert
tours then those who've been vaccinated are more likely to get to work
with international crews. Almost all the big shows we get here are from
the USA; COVID is now under much better control over there than last
year but still, it's pretty rife in certain sectors.
There are most certainly risks with the current vaccines, and they are
absolutely a rush job compared to the usual regime of development and
testing. I would expect newer and better generations of COVID vaccines
to start appearing later.
I got a bit of a reaction from my first jab, I had a pretty unpleasant
headache with some mild feverishness for a couple of hours, and I felt
nauseated. Not enough to throw up. Weirdly, after it settled down, I got
the same reaction again but milder about 24 hours later, for an hour or
so the next night. I'd had my jab in the early afternoon, felt
absolutely nothing for about 8 hours, then the reaction came later.
My mother's best friend, in her early 80's, was told by her GP that you
didn't have to wait 12 weeks between the 1st and 2nd shots of Astra
Zenica, go ahead and have it now when she was at about 5 or 6 weeks from
the first shot (it might have been less than that). Well, she ended up
in hospital, and they told her that this doctor was absolutely wrong for
people in her category, with Astra Zenica elderly people especially
cannot have their 2nd shot that close to the first. I'm still waiting
for my 2nd, in about 2 weeks that will be the 3 months since I had my first.
A few days after I turned 50 they made AZ available to over-50's, so for
the reasons above I decided to get it done. It was very easy, straight
through, I was in and out and all done in about 25 minutes including the
15 minutes sitting in observation waiting to see in case I had an
immediate bad reaction. Since then they've started saying, nope, not
recommended for under 60's any more, but with the huge Delta strain
outbreak in Sydney and surrounding areas of New South Wales, they're
urging people to consider AZ if they're younger... there seems to be
some conflict between the advice from the medicos and the politicians,
who are the ones urging everyone from 18 y.o. to "strongly consider" AZ,
since that's the one vaccine Australia has plenty of stocks of. The bad
publicity and changing advice has made people reluctant to get it, or at
least to wait and see what happens with it.
I'm hearing that if you have your first shot with AZ and the second with
Pfizer, that appears to give you the best immunological protection from
COVID currently available, but that is NOT universally agreed among the
researchers, even those who suggested it are saying it's really too
early to be sure. However, I wished I'd held out for Pfizer once they
started changing the advice re. AZ, so if I *can* get Pfizer for my 2nd
shot I will. They're also revising up the apparent effectiveness of AZ,
and revising it down for Pfizer, but again, the early evidence suggests
a mix of the two is best.... that sounds acceptable to me.
Australia continues to do the lockdowns pretty well (except for those
FREAKIN' MORONS!! with their "freedom rally", Oh No don't make us wear
masks it infringes on our civil rights!!, so we're throwing a Super
Spreader event amid the Delta outbreak just to prove a point), but has
totally dropped the ball on the vaccine program. They're crying that
they couldn't get adequate supplies of Pfizer, while the millions of
doses of AZ they *have* got are going to waste while people aren't sure
whether to get them or not. But in fact, Pfizer offered to make a deal
with the Aust. federal govt. to supply vaccines long ago and the govt.
actually turned them down, apparently because they believed they had it
covered (exactly how, they're not saying). So now, they just announced a
new deal with Pfizer for 85 million doses over 2 years, to get everyone
done who hasn't had it yet and to have booster shots available for next
year (AFAIK Australia's current population is a bit over 26 million).
While the USA is at well over 60% of people vaccinated, last I heard
we're at about 13%... yeah great job guys, way to go. We've got our
doubters like anywhere else but in the main, especially working people
are quite happy to get the shot so they can officially go back to work
and reopen their businesses, and all that.
There certainly are problems with the current 1st-generation COVID
vaccines and these are well documented, but state and fed. govt's here
are jumping pretty hard all over the outright misinformation and
fabrications out there, as well as the plain old nutjobs. There are
definitely plenty of those; when I say jumping on them they're not
resorting to actual censorship AFAIK, just countering with the official
line. The smart thing to do is *admit* the problems but keep them in
perspective, as the risks are really very low and the number of people
affected is very small. Certainly a tiny fraction of the risk that the
virus itself poses... if that doesn't sit right then consider the risks
to jobs and liberty while governments are still at the lockdown stage. I
personally think my chances of exposure to COVID, living in Perth, are
negligible, but I got my shot for work reasons. If I lived in Sydney
right now, I *would* be getting it as a means of protection against the
Delta outbreak.
BTW, it seems the great majority of those catching Delta in Sydney now
are those who won't observe the lockdown and who do things like refuse
masks and limiting contact. There's a reason ships have had the yellow
flag (contagion) for centuries before they even knew what a disease
really was or how it transmitted - because that's the one means of
actually stopping the thing that actually works, absent effective vaccines.
Seems such a shame to have gone through all the lockdowns and economic
devastation, just for the government to so badly drop that vaccination
ball and put us half a year or more behind where we could and should be
with getting to grips with the virus.

<<<<While the USA is at well over 60% of people vaccinated, last I heard
we're at about 13%... yeah great job guys, way to go. We've got our
doubters like anywhere else but in the main, especially working people
are quite happy to get the shot so they can officially go back to work
and reopen their businesses, and all that.>>>>

And thousands of those 60% have died right after or shortly after getting the first or second shot, and thousands more of those 60% have had heart attacks and blood clots that required hospitalization.

So yeah, if you have a revolver with a bullet in it, spin the cartridge, aim for the head and take a few shots, and see what happens - no pun intended :o)

Tisra Til

2021-08-03 19:44:55 UTC

I've had my first, of Astra Zenica. I'm not worried at all about
catching COVID, not living where I do in Western Australia, but I got it
because if I expect to ever resume working in international concert
tours then those who've been vaccinated are more likely to get to work
with international crews. Almost all the big shows we get here are from
the USA; COVID is now under much better control over there than last
year but still, it's pretty rife in certain sectors.
There are most certainly risks with the current vaccines, and they are
absolutely a rush job compared to the usual regime of development and
testing. I would expect newer and better generations of COVID vaccines
to start appearing later.
I got a bit of a reaction from my first jab, I had a pretty unpleasant
headache with some mild feverishness for a couple of hours, and I felt
nauseated. Not enough to throw up. Weirdly, after it settled down, I got
the same reaction again but milder about 24 hours later, for an hour or
so the next night. I'd had my jab in the early afternoon, felt
absolutely nothing for about 8 hours, then the reaction came later.
My mother's best friend, in her early 80's, was told by her GP that you
didn't have to wait 12 weeks between the 1st and 2nd shots of Astra
Zenica, go ahead and have it now when she was at about 5 or 6 weeks from
the first shot (it might have been less than that). Well, she ended up
in hospital, and they told her that this doctor was absolutely wrong for
people in her category, with Astra Zenica elderly people especially
cannot have their 2nd shot that close to the first. I'm still waiting
for my 2nd, in about 2 weeks that will be the 3 months since I had my first.
A few days after I turned 50 they made AZ available to over-50's, so for
the reasons above I decided to get it done. It was very easy, straight
through, I was in and out and all done in about 25 minutes including the
15 minutes sitting in observation waiting to see in case I had an
immediate bad reaction. Since then they've started saying, nope, not
recommended for under 60's any more, but with the huge Delta strain
outbreak in Sydney and surrounding areas of New South Wales, they're
urging people to consider AZ if they're younger... there seems to be
some conflict between the advice from the medicos and the politicians,
who are the ones urging everyone from 18 y.o. to "strongly consider" AZ,
since that's the one vaccine Australia has plenty of stocks of. The bad
publicity and changing advice has made people reluctant to get it, or at
least to wait and see what happens with it.
I'm hearing that if you have your first shot with AZ and the second with
Pfizer, that appears to give you the best immunological protection from
COVID currently available, but that is NOT universally agreed among the
researchers, even those who suggested it are saying it's really too
early to be sure. However, I wished I'd held out for Pfizer once they
started changing the advice re. AZ, so if I *can* get Pfizer for my 2nd
shot I will. They're also revising up the apparent effectiveness of AZ,
and revising it down for Pfizer, but again, the early evidence suggests
a mix of the two is best.... that sounds acceptable to me.
Australia continues to do the lockdowns pretty well (except for those
FREAKIN' MORONS!! with their "freedom rally", Oh No don't make us wear
masks it infringes on our civil rights!!, so we're throwing a Super
Spreader event amid the Delta outbreak just to prove a point), but has
totally dropped the ball on the vaccine program. They're crying that
they couldn't get adequate supplies of Pfizer, while the millions of
doses of AZ they *have* got are going to waste while people aren't sure
whether to get them or not. But in fact, Pfizer offered to make a deal
with the Aust. federal govt. to supply vaccines long ago and the govt.
actually turned them down, apparently because they believed they had it
covered (exactly how, they're not saying). So now, they just announced a
new deal with Pfizer for 85 million doses over 2 years, to get everyone
done who hasn't had it yet and to have booster shots available for next
year (AFAIK Australia's current population is a bit over 26 million).
While the USA is at well over 60% of people vaccinated, last I heard
we're at about 13%... yeah great job guys, way to go. We've got our
doubters like anywhere else but in the main, especially working people
are quite happy to get the shot so they can officially go back to work
and reopen their businesses, and all that.
There certainly are problems with the current 1st-generation COVID
vaccines and these are well documented, but state and fed. govt's here
are jumping pretty hard all over the outright misinformation and
fabrications out there, as well as the plain old nutjobs. There are
definitely plenty of those; when I say jumping on them they're not
resorting to actual censorship AFAIK, just countering with the official
line. The smart thing to do is *admit* the problems but keep them in
perspective, as the risks are really very low and the number of people
affected is very small. Certainly a tiny fraction of the risk that the
virus itself poses... if that doesn't sit right then consider the risks
to jobs and liberty while governments are still at the lockdown stage. I
personally think my chances of exposure to COVID, living in Perth, are
negligible, but I got my shot for work reasons. If I lived in Sydney
right now, I *would* be getting it as a means of protection against the
Delta outbreak.
BTW, it seems the great majority of those catching Delta in Sydney now
are those who won't observe the lockdown and who do things like refuse
masks and limiting contact. There's a reason ships have had the yellow
flag (contagion) for centuries before they even knew what a disease
really was or how it transmitted - because that's the one means of
actually stopping the thing that actually works, absent effective vaccines.
Seems such a shame to have gone through all the lockdowns and economic
devastation, just for the government to so badly drop that vaccination
ball and put us half a year or more behind where we could and should be
with getting to grips with the virus.

<<<<While the USA is at well over 60% of people vaccinated, last I heard
we're at about 13%... yeah great job guys, way to go. We've got our
doubters like anywhere else but in the main, especially working people
are quite happy to get the shot so they can officially go back to work
and reopen their businesses, and all that.>>>>
And thousands of those 60% have died right after or shortly after getting the first or second shot, and thousands more of those 60% have had heart attacks and blood clots that required hospitalization.
So yeah, if you have a revolver with a bullet in it, spin the cartridge, aim for the head and take a few shots, and see what happens - no pun intended :o)

In the U.S, 328.9 million COVID vaccine doses had been administered as of July 2. This includes: 134 million doses of Moderna's vaccine, 182 million doses of Pfizer and 13 million doses of the Johnson & Johnson (J&J) COVID vaccine.

Of the 9,048 deaths reported as of July 2, 22% occurred within 48 hours of vaccination, 15% occurred within 24 hours and 37% occurred in people who became ill within 48 hours of being vaccinated.

This week's data for 12- to 17-year-olds show:
• 13,385 total adverse events, including 801 rated as serious and 14 reported deaths among 12- to 17-year-olds. Two of the nine deaths were suicides.
•The most recent reported death includes a 13-year-old boy (VAERS I.D. 1431289) with a previous history of COVID who suffered cardiac arrest and died 17 days after vaccination with Pfizer. Other reports include a 13-year-old boy (VAERS I.D. 1406840) who died two days after receiving a Pfizer vaccine, three 15-year-olds (VAERS I.D. 1187918, 1382906 and 1242573), four 16-year-olds (VAERS I.D. 1420630, 1426828, 1225942 and 1386841) and three 17-year-olds (VAERS I.D. 1199455, 1388042 and 1420762).
• 1,934 reports of anaphylaxis among 12- to 17-year-olds with 99% of cases
attributed to Pfizer's vaccine, 1.1% to Moderna and 0.2% (or four cases) to J&J.
• 347 reports of myocarditis and pericarditis (heart inflammation) with 343 attributed to Pfizer's vaccine.
• 57 reports of blood clotting disorders, 56 attributed to Pfizer and 1 attributed to Moderna.

This week's total VAERS data, from Dec. 14, 2020 to July 2, 2021, for all age groups show:
•22% of deaths were related to cardiac disorders.
•50% of those who died were male, 45% were female and the remaining death reports did not include gender of the deceased.
•The average age of death was 74.7.
•As of July 2, 2,678 pregnant women reported adverse events related to COVID vaccines, including 994 reports of miscarriage or premature birth.
•Of the 4,456 cases of Bell's Palsy reported, 59% were attributed to Pfizer vaccinations, 39% to Moderna vaccine and 7% to J&J.
•398 reports of Guillain-Barré Syndrome, with 47% of cases attributed to Pfizer, 40% to Moderna and 19% to J&J.
• 121,092 reports of anaphylaxis with 46% of cases attributed to Pfizer's vaccine, 46% to Moderna and 7% to J&J.
• 8,256 reports of blood clotting disorders. Of those, 3,959 reports were attributed to Pfizer, 2,699 reports to Moderna and 1,552 reports to J&J.
• 1,796 cases of myocarditis and pericarditis with 1,177 cases attributed to Pfizer, 563 cases to Moderna and 52 cases to J&J's COVID vaccine.

https://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/number-deaths-reported-after-covid-vaccines-jumps-more-2000-1-week-according-vaer?utm_campaign=Daily%20NewsletterJuly%2018th%3A%20Number%20of%20Deaths%20Reported%20After%20COVID%20Vaccines%20Jumps%20by%20More%20Than%202%2C000%20in%201%20Week%2C%20According%20to%20VAERS%20%28XNfHHt%29&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Daily%20Newsletter&_kx=TLP1z0O5tG3f0E09L6hqGqUWCXVDCXhbpznmlbdzTVo%3D.K2vXAy

Henosis Sage

2021-08-04 04:11:58 UTC

I've had my first, of Astra Zenica. I'm not worried at all about
catching COVID, not living where I do in Western Australia, but I got it
because if I expect to ever resume working in international concert
tours then those who've been vaccinated are more likely to get to work
with international crews. Almost all the big shows we get here are from
the USA; COVID is now under much better control over there than last
year but still, it's pretty rife in certain sectors.
There are most certainly risks with the current vaccines, and they are
absolutely a rush job compared to the usual regime of development and
testing. I would expect newer and better generations of COVID vaccines
to start appearing later.
I got a bit of a reaction from my first jab, I had a pretty unpleasant
headache with some mild feverishness for a couple of hours, and I felt
nauseated. Not enough to throw up. Weirdly, after it settled down, I got
the same reaction again but milder about 24 hours later, for an hour or
so the next night. I'd had my jab in the early afternoon, felt
absolutely nothing for about 8 hours, then the reaction came later.
My mother's best friend, in her early 80's, was told by her GP that you
didn't have to wait 12 weeks between the 1st and 2nd shots of Astra
Zenica, go ahead and have it now when she was at about 5 or 6 weeks from
the first shot (it might have been less than that). Well, she ended up
in hospital, and they told her that this doctor was absolutely wrong for
people in her category, with Astra Zenica elderly people especially
cannot have their 2nd shot that close to the first. I'm still waiting
for my 2nd, in about 2 weeks that will be the 3 months since I had my first.
A few days after I turned 50 they made AZ available to over-50's, so for
the reasons above I decided to get it done. It was very easy, straight
through, I was in and out and all done in about 25 minutes including the
15 minutes sitting in observation waiting to see in case I had an
immediate bad reaction. Since then they've started saying, nope, not
recommended for under 60's any more, but with the huge Delta strain
outbreak in Sydney and surrounding areas of New South Wales, they're
urging people to consider AZ if they're younger... there seems to be
some conflict between the advice from the medicos and the politicians,
who are the ones urging everyone from 18 y.o. to "strongly consider" AZ,
since that's the one vaccine Australia has plenty of stocks of. The bad
publicity and changing advice has made people reluctant to get it, or at
least to wait and see what happens with it.
I'm hearing that if you have your first shot with AZ and the second with
Pfizer, that appears to give you the best immunological protection from
COVID currently available, but that is NOT universally agreed among the
researchers, even those who suggested it are saying it's really too
early to be sure. However, I wished I'd held out for Pfizer once they
started changing the advice re. AZ, so if I *can* get Pfizer for my 2nd
shot I will. They're also revising up the apparent effectiveness of AZ,
and revising it down for Pfizer, but again, the early evidence suggests
a mix of the two is best.... that sounds acceptable to me.
Australia continues to do the lockdowns pretty well (except for those
FREAKIN' MORONS!! with their "freedom rally", Oh No don't make us wear
masks it infringes on our civil rights!!, so we're throwing a Super
Spreader event amid the Delta outbreak just to prove a point), but has
totally dropped the ball on the vaccine program. They're crying that
they couldn't get adequate supplies of Pfizer, while the millions of
doses of AZ they *have* got are going to waste while people aren't sure
whether to get them or not. But in fact, Pfizer offered to make a deal
with the Aust. federal govt. to supply vaccines long ago and the govt.
actually turned them down, apparently because they believed they had it
covered (exactly how, they're not saying). So now, they just announced a
new deal with Pfizer for 85 million doses over 2 years, to get everyone
done who hasn't had it yet and to have booster shots available for next
year (AFAIK Australia's current population is a bit over 26 million).
While the USA is at well over 60% of people vaccinated, last I heard
we're at about 13%... yeah great job guys, way to go. We've got our
doubters like anywhere else but in the main, especially working people
are quite happy to get the shot so they can officially go back to work
and reopen their businesses, and all that.
There certainly are problems with the current 1st-generation COVID
vaccines and these are well documented, but state and fed. govt's here
are jumping pretty hard all over the outright misinformation and
fabrications out there, as well as the plain old nutjobs. There are
definitely plenty of those; when I say jumping on them they're not
resorting to actual censorship AFAIK, just countering with the official
line. The smart thing to do is *admit* the problems but keep them in
perspective, as the risks are really very low and the number of people
affected is very small. Certainly a tiny fraction of the risk that the
virus itself poses... if that doesn't sit right then consider the risks
to jobs and liberty while governments are still at the lockdown stage. I
personally think my chances of exposure to COVID, living in Perth, are
negligible, but I got my shot for work reasons. If I lived in Sydney
right now, I *would* be getting it as a means of protection against the
Delta outbreak.
BTW, it seems the great majority of those catching Delta in Sydney now
are those who won't observe the lockdown and who do things like refuse
masks and limiting contact. There's a reason ships have had the yellow
flag (contagion) for centuries before they even knew what a disease
really was or how it transmitted - because that's the one means of
actually stopping the thing that actually works, absent effective vaccines.
Seems such a shame to have gone through all the lockdowns and economic
devastation, just for the government to so badly drop that vaccination
ball and put us half a year or more behind where we could and should be
with getting to grips with the virus.

<<<<While the USA is at well over 60% of people vaccinated, last I heard
we're at about 13%... yeah great job guys, way to go. We've got our
doubters like anywhere else but in the main, especially working people
are quite happy to get the shot so they can officially go back to work
and reopen their businesses, and all that.>>>>
And thousands of those 60% have died right after or shortly after getting the first or second shot, and thousands more of those 60% have had heart attacks and blood clots that required hospitalization.
So yeah, if you have a revolver with a bullet in it, spin the cartridge, aim for the head and take a few shots, and see what happens - no pun intended :o)

In the U.S, 328.9 million COVID vaccine doses had been administered as of July 2. This includes: 134 million doses of Moderna's vaccine, 182 million doses of Pfizer and 13 million doses of the Johnson & Johnson (J&J) COVID vaccine.
Of the 9,048 deaths reported as of July 2, 22% occurred within 48 hours of vaccination, 15% occurred within 24 hours and 37% occurred in people who became ill within 48 hours of being vaccinated.
• 13,385 total adverse events, including 801 rated as serious and 14 reported deaths among 12- to 17-year-olds. Two of the nine deaths were suicides.
•The most recent reported death includes a 13-year-old boy (VAERS I.D. 1431289) with a previous history of COVID who suffered cardiac arrest and died 17 days after vaccination with Pfizer. Other reports include a 13-year-old boy (VAERS I.D. 1406840) who died two days after receiving a Pfizer vaccine, three 15-year-olds (VAERS I.D. 1187918, 1382906 and 1242573), four 16-year-olds (VAERS I.D. 1420630, 1426828, 1225942 and 1386841) and three 17-year-olds (VAERS I.D. 1199455, 1388042 and 1420762).
• 1,934 reports of anaphylaxis among 12- to 17-year-olds with 99% of cases
attributed to Pfizer's vaccine, 1.1% to Moderna and 0.2% (or four cases) to J&J.
• 347 reports of myocarditis and pericarditis (heart inflammation) with 343 attributed to Pfizer's vaccine.
• 57 reports of blood clotting disorders, 56 attributed to Pfizer and 1 attributed to Moderna.
•22% of deaths were related to cardiac disorders.
•50% of those who died were male, 45% were female and the remaining death reports did not include gender of the deceased.
•The average age of death was 74.7.
•As of July 2, 2,678 pregnant women reported adverse events related to COVID vaccines, including 994 reports of miscarriage or premature birth.
•Of the 4,456 cases of Bell's Palsy reported, 59% were attributed to Pfizer vaccinations, 39% to Moderna vaccine and 7% to J&J.
•398 reports of Guillain-Barré Syndrome, with 47% of cases attributed to Pfizer, 40% to Moderna and 19% to J&J.
• 121,092 reports of anaphylaxis with 46% of cases attributed to Pfizer's vaccine, 46% to Moderna and 7% to J&J.
• 8,256 reports of blood clotting disorders. Of those, 3,959 reports were attributed to Pfizer, 2,699 reports to Moderna and 1,552 reports to J&J.
• 1,796 cases of myocarditis and pericarditis with 1,177 cases attributed to Pfizer, 563 cases to Moderna and 52 cases to J&J's COVID vaccine.
https://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/number-deaths-reported-after-covid-vaccines-jumps-more-2000-1-week-according-vaer?utm_campaign=Daily%20NewsletterJuly%2018th%3A%20Number%20of%20Deaths%20Reported%20After%20COVID%20Vaccines%20Jumps%20by%20More%20Than%202%2C000%20in%201%20Week%2C%20According%20to%20VAERS%20%28XNfHHt%29&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Daily%20Newsletter&_kx=TLP1z0O5tG3f0E09L6hqGqUWCXVDCXhbpznmlbdzTVo%3D.K2vXAy

again, may i point out::

The report of an adverse event to VAERS *** is NOT *** documentation that a vaccine caused the event.

https://vaers.hhs.gov/data/dataguide.html

wernertrp

2021-08-04 07:45:46 UTC

I've had my first, of Astra Zenica. I'm not worried at all about
catching COVID, not living where I do in Western Australia, but I got it
because if I expect to ever resume working in international concert
tours then those who've been vaccinated are more likely to get to work
with international crews. Almost all the big shows we get here are from
the USA; COVID is now under much better control over there than last
year but still, it's pretty rife in certain sectors.
There are most certainly risks with the current vaccines, and they are
absolutely a rush job compared to the usual regime of development and
testing. I would expect newer and better generations of COVID vaccines
to start appearing later.
I got a bit of a reaction from my first jab, I had a pretty unpleasant
headache with some mild feverishness for a couple of hours, and I felt
nauseated. Not enough to throw up. Weirdly, after it settled down, I got
the same reaction again but milder about 24 hours later, for an hour or
so the next night. I'd had my jab in the early afternoon, felt
absolutely nothing for about 8 hours, then the reaction came later.
My mother's best friend, in her early 80's, was told by her GP that you
didn't have to wait 12 weeks between the 1st and 2nd shots of Astra
Zenica, go ahead and have it now when she was at about 5 or 6 weeks from
the first shot (it might have been less than that). Well, she ended up
in hospital, and they told her that this doctor was absolutely wrong for
people in her category, with Astra Zenica elderly people especially
cannot have their 2nd shot that close to the first. I'm still waiting
for my 2nd, in about 2 weeks that will be the 3 months since I had my first.
A few days after I turned 50 they made AZ available to over-50's, so for
the reasons above I decided to get it done. It was very easy, straight
through, I was in and out and all done in about 25 minutes including the
15 minutes sitting in observation waiting to see in case I had an
immediate bad reaction. Since then they've started saying, nope, not
recommended for under 60's any more, but with the huge Delta strain
outbreak in Sydney and surrounding areas of New South Wales, they're
urging people to consider AZ if they're younger... there seems to be
some conflict between the advice from the medicos and the politicians,
who are the ones urging everyone from 18 y.o. to "strongly consider" AZ,
since that's the one vaccine Australia has plenty of stocks of. The bad
publicity and changing advice has made people reluctant to get it, or at
least to wait and see what happens with it.
I'm hearing that if you have your first shot with AZ and the second with
Pfizer, that appears to give you the best immunological protection from
COVID currently available, but that is NOT universally agreed among the
researchers, even those who suggested it are saying it's really too
early to be sure. However, I wished I'd held out for Pfizer once they
started changing the advice re. AZ, so if I *can* get Pfizer for my 2nd
shot I will. They're also revising up the apparent effectiveness of AZ,
and revising it down for Pfizer, but again, the early evidence suggests
a mix of the two is best.... that sounds acceptable to me.
Australia continues to do the lockdowns pretty well (except for those
FREAKIN' MORONS!! with their "freedom rally", Oh No don't make us wear
masks it infringes on our civil rights!!, so we're throwing a Super
Spreader event amid the Delta outbreak just to prove a point), but has
totally dropped the ball on the vaccine program. They're crying that
they couldn't get adequate supplies of Pfizer, while the millions of
doses of AZ they *have* got are going to waste while people aren't sure
whether to get them or not. But in fact, Pfizer offered to make a deal
with the Aust. federal govt. to supply vaccines long ago and the govt.
actually turned them down, apparently because they believed they had it
covered (exactly how, they're not saying). So now, they just announced a
new deal with Pfizer for 85 million doses over 2 years, to get everyone
done who hasn't had it yet and to have booster shots available for next
year (AFAIK Australia's current population is a bit over 26 million).
While the USA is at well over 60% of people vaccinated, last I heard
we're at about 13%... yeah great job guys, way to go. We've got our
doubters like anywhere else but in the main, especially working people
are quite happy to get the shot so they can officially go back to work
and reopen their businesses, and all that.
There certainly are problems with the current 1st-generation COVID
vaccines and these are well documented, but state and fed. govt's here
are jumping pretty hard all over the outright misinformation and
fabrications out there, as well as the plain old nutjobs. There are
definitely plenty of those; when I say jumping on them they're not
resorting to actual censorship AFAIK, just countering with the official
line. The smart thing to do is *admit* the problems but keep them in
perspective, as the risks are really very low and the number of people
affected is very small. Certainly a tiny fraction of the risk that the
virus itself poses... if that doesn't sit right then consider the risks
to jobs and liberty while governments are still at the lockdown stage. I
personally think my chances of exposure to COVID, living in Perth, are
negligible, but I got my shot for work reasons. If I lived in Sydney
right now, I *would* be getting it as a means of protection against the
Delta outbreak.
BTW, it seems the great majority of those catching Delta in Sydney now
are those who won't observe the lockdown and who do things like refuse
masks and limiting contact. There's a reason ships have had the yellow
flag (contagion) for centuries before they even knew what a disease
really was or how it transmitted - because that's the one means of
actually stopping the thing that actually works, absent effective vaccines.
Seems such a shame to have gone through all the lockdowns and economic
devastation, just for the government to so badly drop that vaccination
ball and put us half a year or more behind where we could and should be
with getting to grips with the virus.

<<<<While the USA is at well over 60% of people vaccinated, last I heard
we're at about 13%... yeah great job guys, way to go. We've got our
doubters like anywhere else but in the main, especially working people
are quite happy to get the shot so they can officially go back to work
and reopen their businesses, and all that.>>>>
And thousands of those 60% have died right after or shortly after getting the first or second shot, and thousands more of those 60% have had heart attacks and blood clots that required hospitalization.
So yeah, if you have a revolver with a bullet in it, spin the cartridge, aim for the head and take a few shots, and see what happens - no pun intended :o)

In the U.S, 328.9 million COVID vaccine doses had been administered as of July 2. This includes: 134 million doses of Moderna's vaccine, 182 million doses of Pfizer and 13 million doses of the Johnson & Johnson (J&J) COVID vaccine.
Of the 9,048 deaths reported as of July 2, 22% occurred within 48 hours of vaccination, 15% occurred within 24 hours and 37% occurred in people who became ill within 48 hours of being vaccinated.
• 13,385 total adverse events, including 801 rated as serious and 14 reported deaths among 12- to 17-year-olds. Two of the nine deaths were suicides.
•The most recent reported death includes a 13-year-old boy (VAERS I.D. 1431289) with a previous history of COVID who suffered cardiac arrest and died 17 days after vaccination with Pfizer. Other reports include a 13-year-old boy (VAERS I.D. 1406840) who died two days after receiving a Pfizer vaccine, three 15-year-olds (VAERS I.D. 1187918, 1382906 and 1242573), four 16-year-olds (VAERS I.D. 1420630, 1426828, 1225942 and 1386841) and three 17-year-olds (VAERS I.D. 1199455, 1388042 and 1420762).
• 1,934 reports of anaphylaxis among 12- to 17-year-olds with 99% of cases
attributed to Pfizer's vaccine, 1.1% to Moderna and 0.2% (or four cases) to J&J.
• 347 reports of myocarditis and pericarditis (heart inflammation) with 343 attributed to Pfizer's vaccine.
• 57 reports of blood clotting disorders, 56 attributed to Pfizer and 1 attributed to Moderna.
•22% of deaths were related to cardiac disorders.
•50% of those who died were male, 45% were female and the remaining death reports did not include gender of the deceased.
•The average age of death was 74.7.
•As of July 2, 2,678 pregnant women reported adverse events related to COVID vaccines, including 994 reports of miscarriage or premature birth.
•Of the 4,456 cases of Bell's Palsy reported, 59% were attributed to Pfizer vaccinations, 39% to Moderna vaccine and 7% to J&J.
•398 reports of Guillain-Barré Syndrome, with 47% of cases attributed to Pfizer, 40% to Moderna and 19% to J&J.
• 121,092 reports of anaphylaxis with 46% of cases attributed to Pfizer's vaccine, 46% to Moderna and 7% to J&J.
• 8,256 reports of blood clotting disorders. Of those, 3,959 reports were attributed to Pfizer, 2,699 reports to Moderna and 1,552 reports to J&J.
• 1,796 cases of myocarditis and pericarditis with 1,177 cases attributed to Pfizer, 563 cases to Moderna and 52 cases to J&J's COVID vaccine.
https://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/number-deaths-reported-after-covid-vaccines-jumps-more-2000-1-week-according-vaer?utm_campaign=Daily%20NewsletterJuly%2018th%3A%20Number%20of%20Deaths%20Reported%20After%20COVID%20Vaccines%20Jumps%20by%20More%20Than%202%2C000%20in%201%20Week%2C%20According%20to%20VAERS%20%28XNfHHt%29&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Daily%20Newsletter&_kx=TLP1z0O5tG3f0E09L6hqGqUWCXVDCXhbpznmlbdzTVo%3D.K2vXAy

The report of an adverse event to VAERS *** is NOT *** documentation that a vaccine caused the event.
https://vaers.hhs.gov/data/dataguide.html

The is a new Virus of the Corona Lamba-Virus.
No vaccination help for this Virus.

Tisra Til

2021-08-04 13:18:06 UTC

I've had my first, of Astra Zenica. I'm not worried at all about
catching COVID, not living where I do in Western Australia, but I got it
because if I expect to ever resume working in international concert
tours then those who've been vaccinated are more likely to get to work
with international crews. Almost all the big shows we get here are from
the USA; COVID is now under much better control over there than last
year but still, it's pretty rife in certain sectors.
There are most certainly risks with the current vaccines, and they are
absolutely a rush job compared to the usual regime of development and
testing. I would expect newer and better generations of COVID vaccines
to start appearing later.
I got a bit of a reaction from my first jab, I had a pretty unpleasant
headache with some mild feverishness for a couple of hours, and I felt
nauseated. Not enough to throw up. Weirdly, after it settled down, I got
the same reaction again but milder about 24 hours later, for an hour or
so the next night. I'd had my jab in the early afternoon, felt
absolutely nothing for about 8 hours, then the reaction came later.
My mother's best friend, in her early 80's, was told by her GP that you
didn't have to wait 12 weeks between the 1st and 2nd shots of Astra
Zenica, go ahead and have it now when she was at about 5 or 6 weeks from
the first shot (it might have been less than that). Well, she ended up
in hospital, and they told her that this doctor was absolutely wrong for
people in her category, with Astra Zenica elderly people especially
cannot have their 2nd shot that close to the first. I'm still waiting
for my 2nd, in about 2 weeks that will be the 3 months since I had my first.
A few days after I turned 50 they made AZ available to over-50's, so for
the reasons above I decided to get it done. It was very easy, straight
through, I was in and out and all done in about 25 minutes including the
15 minutes sitting in observation waiting to see in case I had an
immediate bad reaction. Since then they've started saying, nope, not
recommended for under 60's any more, but with the huge Delta strain
outbreak in Sydney and surrounding areas of New South Wales, they're
urging people to consider AZ if they're younger... there seems to be
some conflict between the advice from the medicos and the politicians,
who are the ones urging everyone from 18 y.o. to "strongly consider" AZ,
since that's the one vaccine Australia has plenty of stocks of. The bad
publicity and changing advice has made people reluctant to get it, or at
least to wait and see what happens with it.
I'm hearing that if you have your first shot with AZ and the second with
Pfizer, that appears to give you the best immunological protection from
COVID currently available, but that is NOT universally agreed among the
researchers, even those who suggested it are saying it's really too
early to be sure. However, I wished I'd held out for Pfizer once they
started changing the advice re. AZ, so if I *can* get Pfizer for my 2nd
shot I will. They're also revising up the apparent effectiveness of AZ,
and revising it down for Pfizer, but again, the early evidence suggests
a mix of the two is best.... that sounds acceptable to me.
Australia continues to do the lockdowns pretty well (except for those
FREAKIN' MORONS!! with their "freedom rally", Oh No don't make us wear
masks it infringes on our civil rights!!, so we're throwing a Super
Spreader event amid the Delta outbreak just to prove a point), but has
totally dropped the ball on the vaccine program. They're crying that
they couldn't get adequate supplies of Pfizer, while the millions of
doses of AZ they *have* got are going to waste while people aren't sure
whether to get them or not. But in fact, Pfizer offered to make a deal
with the Aust. federal govt. to supply vaccines long ago and the govt.
actually turned them down, apparently because they believed they had it
covered (exactly how, they're not saying). So now, they just announced a
new deal with Pfizer for 85 million doses over 2 years, to get everyone
done who hasn't had it yet and to have booster shots available for next
year (AFAIK Australia's current population is a bit over 26 million).
While the USA is at well over 60% of people vaccinated, last I heard
we're at about 13%... yeah great job guys, way to go. We've got our
doubters like anywhere else but in the main, especially working people
are quite happy to get the shot so they can officially go back to work
and reopen their businesses, and all that.
There certainly are problems with the current 1st-generation COVID
vaccines and these are well documented, but state and fed. govt's here
are jumping pretty hard all over the outright misinformation and
fabrications out there, as well as the plain old nutjobs. There are
definitely plenty of those; when I say jumping on them they're not
resorting to actual censorship AFAIK, just countering with the official
line. The smart thing to do is *admit* the problems but keep them in
perspective, as the risks are really very low and the number of people
affected is very small. Certainly a tiny fraction of the risk that the
virus itself poses... if that doesn't sit right then consider the risks
to jobs and liberty while governments are still at the lockdown stage. I
personally think my chances of exposure to COVID, living in Perth, are
negligible, but I got my shot for work reasons. If I lived in Sydney
right now, I *would* be getting it as a means of protection against the
Delta outbreak.
BTW, it seems the great majority of those catching Delta in Sydney now
are those who won't observe the lockdown and who do things like refuse
masks and limiting contact. There's a reason ships have had the yellow
flag (contagion) for centuries before they even knew what a disease
really was or how it transmitted - because that's the one means of
actually stopping the thing that actually works, absent effective vaccines.
Seems such a shame to have gone through all the lockdowns and economic
devastation, just for the government to so badly drop that vaccination
ball and put us half a year or more behind where we could and should be
with getting to grips with the virus.

<<<<While the USA is at well over 60% of people vaccinated, last I heard
we're at about 13%... yeah great job guys, way to go. We've got our
doubters like anywhere else but in the main, especially working people
are quite happy to get the shot so they can officially go back to work
and reopen their businesses, and all that.>>>>
And thousands of those 60% have died right after or shortly after getting the first or second shot, and thousands more of those 60% have had heart attacks and blood clots that required hospitalization.
So yeah, if you have a revolver with a bullet in it, spin the cartridge, aim for the head and take a few shots, and see what happens - no pun intended :o)

In the U.S, 328.9 million COVID vaccine doses had been administered as of July 2. This includes: 134 million doses of Moderna's vaccine, 182 million doses of Pfizer and 13 million doses of the Johnson & Johnson (J&J) COVID vaccine.
Of the 9,048 deaths reported as of July 2, 22% occurred within 48 hours of vaccination, 15% occurred within 24 hours and 37% occurred in people who became ill within 48 hours of being vaccinated.
• 13,385 total adverse events, including 801 rated as serious and 14 reported deaths among 12- to 17-year-olds. Two of the nine deaths were suicides.
•The most recent reported death includes a 13-year-old boy (VAERS I.D. 1431289) with a previous history of COVID who suffered cardiac arrest and died 17 days after vaccination with Pfizer. Other reports include a 13-year-old boy (VAERS I.D. 1406840) who died two days after receiving a Pfizer vaccine, three 15-year-olds (VAERS I.D. 1187918, 1382906 and 1242573), four 16-year-olds (VAERS I.D. 1420630, 1426828, 1225942 and 1386841) and three 17-year-olds (VAERS I.D. 1199455, 1388042 and 1420762).
• 1,934 reports of anaphylaxis among 12- to 17-year-olds with 99% of cases
attributed to Pfizer's vaccine, 1.1% to Moderna and 0.2% (or four cases) to J&J.
• 347 reports of myocarditis and pericarditis (heart inflammation) with 343 attributed to Pfizer's vaccine.
• 57 reports of blood clotting disorders, 56 attributed to Pfizer and 1 attributed to Moderna.
•22% of deaths were related to cardiac disorders.
•50% of those who died were male, 45% were female and the remaining death reports did not include gender of the deceased.
•The average age of death was 74.7.
•As of July 2, 2,678 pregnant women reported adverse events related to COVID vaccines, including 994 reports of miscarriage or premature birth.
•Of the 4,456 cases of Bell's Palsy reported, 59% were attributed to Pfizer vaccinations, 39% to Moderna vaccine and 7% to J&J.
•398 reports of Guillain-Barré Syndrome, with 47% of cases attributed to Pfizer, 40% to Moderna and 19% to J&J.
• 121,092 reports of anaphylaxis with 46% of cases attributed to Pfizer's vaccine, 46% to Moderna and 7% to J&J.
• 8,256 reports of blood clotting disorders. Of those, 3,959 reports were attributed to Pfizer, 2,699 reports to Moderna and 1,552 reports to J&J.
• 1,796 cases of myocarditis and pericarditis with 1,177 cases attributed to Pfizer, 563 cases to Moderna and 52 cases to J&J's COVID vaccine.
https://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/number-deaths-reported-after-covid-vaccines-jumps-more-2000-1-week-according-vaer?utm_campaign=Daily%20NewsletterJuly%2018th%3A%20Number%20of%20Deaths%20Reported%20After%20COVID%20Vaccines%20Jumps%20by%20More%20Than%202%2C000%20in%201%20Week%2C%20According%20to%20VAERS%20%28XNfHHt%29&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Daily%20Newsletter&_kx=TLP1z0O5tG3f0E09L6hqGqUWCXVDCXhbpznmlbdzTVo%3D.K2vXAy

The report of an adverse event to VAERS *** is NOT *** documentation that a vaccine caused the event.
https://vaers.hhs.gov/data/dataguide.html

"Underreporting" is one of the main limitations of passive surveillance systems, including VAERS. The term, underreporting refers to the fact that VAERS receives reports for only a small fraction of actual adverse events.”

https://vaers.hhs.gov/data/dataguide.html

The number of vaccine injuries reported to VAERS has been estimated to be 1 to 10% of the actual number of injuries. A study by Harvard (I think) came up with that estimate.

Henosis Sage

2021-08-06 03:03:46 UTC

I've had my first, of Astra Zenica. I'm not worried at all about
catching COVID, not living where I do in Western Australia, but I got it
because if I expect to ever resume working in international concert
tours then those who've been vaccinated are more likely to get to work
with international crews. Almost all the big shows we get here are from
the USA; COVID is now under much better control over there than last
year but still, it's pretty rife in certain sectors.
There are most certainly risks with the current vaccines, and they are
absolutely a rush job compared to the usual regime of development and
testing. I would expect newer and better generations of COVID vaccines
to start appearing later.
I got a bit of a reaction from my first jab, I had a pretty unpleasant
headache with some mild feverishness for a couple of hours, and I felt
nauseated. Not enough to throw up. Weirdly, after it settled down, I got
the same reaction again but milder about 24 hours later, for an hour or
so the next night. I'd had my jab in the early afternoon, felt
absolutely nothing for about 8 hours, then the reaction came later.
My mother's best friend, in her early 80's, was told by her GP that you
didn't have to wait 12 weeks between the 1st and 2nd shots of Astra
Zenica, go ahead and have it now when she was at about 5 or 6 weeks from
the first shot (it might have been less than that). Well, she ended up
in hospital, and they told her that this doctor was absolutely wrong for
people in her category, with Astra Zenica elderly people especially
cannot have their 2nd shot that close to the first. I'm still waiting
for my 2nd, in about 2 weeks that will be the 3 months since I had my first.
A few days after I turned 50 they made AZ available to over-50's, so for
the reasons above I decided to get it done. It was very easy, straight
through, I was in and out and all done in about 25 minutes including the
15 minutes sitting in observation waiting to see in case I had an
immediate bad reaction. Since then they've started saying, nope, not
recommended for under 60's any more, but with the huge Delta strain
outbreak in Sydney and surrounding areas of New South Wales, they're
urging people to consider AZ if they're younger... there seems to be
some conflict between the advice from the medicos and the politicians,
who are the ones urging everyone from 18 y.o. to "strongly consider" AZ,
since that's the one vaccine Australia has plenty of stocks of. The bad
publicity and changing advice has made people reluctant to get it, or at
least to wait and see what happens with it.
I'm hearing that if you have your first shot with AZ and the second with
Pfizer, that appears to give you the best immunological protection from
COVID currently available, but that is NOT universally agreed among the
researchers, even those who suggested it are saying it's really too
early to be sure. However, I wished I'd held out for Pfizer once they
started changing the advice re. AZ, so if I *can* get Pfizer for my 2nd
shot I will. They're also revising up the apparent effectiveness of AZ,
and revising it down for Pfizer, but again, the early evidence suggests
a mix of the two is best.... that sounds acceptable to me.
Australia continues to do the lockdowns pretty well (except for those
FREAKIN' MORONS!! with their "freedom rally", Oh No don't make us wear
masks it infringes on our civil rights!!, so we're throwing a Super
Spreader event amid the Delta outbreak just to prove a point), but has
totally dropped the ball on the vaccine program. They're crying that
they couldn't get adequate supplies of Pfizer, while the millions of
doses of AZ they *have* got are going to waste while people aren't sure
whether to get them or not. But in fact, Pfizer offered to make a deal
with the Aust. federal govt. to supply vaccines long ago and the govt.
actually turned them down, apparently because they believed they had it
covered (exactly how, they're not saying). So now, they just announced a
new deal with Pfizer for 85 million doses over 2 years, to get everyone
done who hasn't had it yet and to have booster shots available for next
year (AFAIK Australia's current population is a bit over 26 million).
While the USA is at well over 60% of people vaccinated, last I heard
we're at about 13%... yeah great job guys, way to go. We've got our
doubters like anywhere else but in the main, especially working people
are quite happy to get the shot so they can officially go back to work
and reopen their businesses, and all that.
There certainly are problems with the current 1st-generation COVID
vaccines and these are well documented, but state and fed. govt's here
are jumping pretty hard all over the outright misinformation and
fabrications out there, as well as the plain old nutjobs. There are
definitely plenty of those; when I say jumping on them they're not
resorting to actual censorship AFAIK, just countering with the official
line. The smart thing to do is *admit* the problems but keep them in
perspective, as the risks are really very low and the number of people
affected is very small. Certainly a tiny fraction of the risk that the
virus itself poses... if that doesn't sit right then consider the risks
to jobs and liberty while governments are still at the lockdown stage. I
personally think my chances of exposure to COVID, living in Perth, are
negligible, but I got my shot for work reasons. If I lived in Sydney
right now, I *would* be getting it as a means of protection against the
Delta outbreak.
BTW, it seems the great majority of those catching Delta in Sydney now
are those who won't observe the lockdown and who do things like refuse
masks and limiting contact. There's a reason ships have had the yellow
flag (contagion) for centuries before they even knew what a disease
really was or how it transmitted - because that's the one means of
actually stopping the thing that actually works, absent effective vaccines.
Seems such a shame to have gone through all the lockdowns and economic
devastation, just for the government to so badly drop that vaccination
ball and put us half a year or more behind where we could and should be
with getting to grips with the virus.

<<<<While the USA is at well over 60% of people vaccinated, last I heard
we're at about 13%... yeah great job guys, way to go. We've got our
doubters like anywhere else but in the main, especially working people
are quite happy to get the shot so they can officially go back to work
and reopen their businesses, and all that.>>>>
And thousands of those 60% have died right after or shortly after getting the first or second shot, and thousands more of those 60% have had heart attacks and blood clots that required hospitalization.
So yeah, if you have a revolver with a bullet in it, spin the cartridge, aim for the head and take a few shots, and see what happens - no pun intended :o)

In the U.S, 328.9 million COVID vaccine doses had been administered as of July 2. This includes: 134 million doses of Moderna's vaccine, 182 million doses of Pfizer and 13 million doses of the Johnson & Johnson (J&J) COVID vaccine.
Of the 9,048 deaths reported as of July 2, 22% occurred within 48 hours of vaccination, 15% occurred within 24 hours and 37% occurred in people who became ill within 48 hours of being vaccinated.
• 13,385 total adverse events, including 801 rated as serious and 14 reported deaths among 12- to 17-year-olds. Two of the nine deaths were suicides.
•The most recent reported death includes a 13-year-old boy (VAERS I.D. 1431289) with a previous history of COVID who suffered cardiac arrest and died 17 days after vaccination with Pfizer. Other reports include a 13-year-old boy (VAERS I.D. 1406840) who died two days after receiving a Pfizer vaccine, three 15-year-olds (VAERS I.D. 1187918, 1382906 and 1242573), four 16-year-olds (VAERS I.D. 1420630, 1426828, 1225942 and 1386841) and three 17-year-olds (VAERS I.D. 1199455, 1388042 and 1420762).
• 1,934 reports of anaphylaxis among 12- to 17-year-olds with 99% of cases
attributed to Pfizer's vaccine, 1.1% to Moderna and 0.2% (or four cases) to J&J.
• 347 reports of myocarditis and pericarditis (heart inflammation) with 343 attributed to Pfizer's vaccine.
• 57 reports of blood clotting disorders, 56 attributed to Pfizer and 1 attributed to Moderna.
•22% of deaths were related to cardiac disorders.
•50% of those who died were male, 45% were female and the remaining death reports did not include gender of the deceased.
•The average age of death was 74.7.
•As of July 2, 2,678 pregnant women reported adverse events related to COVID vaccines, including 994 reports of miscarriage or premature birth.
•Of the 4,456 cases of Bell's Palsy reported, 59% were attributed to Pfizer vaccinations, 39% to Moderna vaccine and 7% to J&J.
•398 reports of Guillain-Barré Syndrome, with 47% of cases attributed to Pfizer, 40% to Moderna and 19% to J&J.
• 121,092 reports of anaphylaxis with 46% of cases attributed to Pfizer's vaccine, 46% to Moderna and 7% to J&J.
• 8,256 reports of blood clotting disorders. Of those, 3,959 reports were attributed to Pfizer, 2,699 reports to Moderna and 1,552 reports to J&J.
• 1,796 cases of myocarditis and pericarditis with 1,177 cases attributed to Pfizer, 563 cases to Moderna and 52 cases to J&J's COVID vaccine.
https://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/number-deaths-reported-after-covid-vaccines-jumps-more-2000-1-week-according-vaer?utm_campaign=Daily%20NewsletterJuly%2018th%3A%20Number%20of%20Deaths%20Reported%20After%20COVID%20Vaccines%20Jumps%20by%20More%20Than%202%2C000%20in%201%20Week%2C%20According%20to%20VAERS%20%28XNfHHt%29&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Daily%20Newsletter&_kx=TLP1z0O5tG3f0E09L6hqGqUWCXVDCXhbpznmlbdzTVo%3D.K2vXAy

The report of an adverse event to VAERS *** is NOT *** documentation that a vaccine caused the event.
https://vaers.hhs.gov/data/dataguide.html

"Underreporting" is one of the main limitations of passive surveillance systems, including VAERS. The term, underreporting refers to the fact that VAERS receives reports for only a small fraction of actual adverse events.”
https://vaers.hhs.gov/data/dataguide.html
The number of vaccine injuries reported to VAERS has been estimated to be 1 to 10% of the actual number of injuries. A study by Harvard (I think) came up with that estimate.

Yes, estimates can say that underreporting exists, and can say what they want by estimating what % that might be. OK, sure. this is reasonable rational thinking.

But the essential fact remains despite this .... people either died from the covid vaccine and subsequent reactions to the vaccine ... or they did not.

and in a genuine rational world, such decisions would be made on each individual case as it arose. Each individual case would need to be confirmed using hard evidence, and signed off by a doctor, or a hospital or the coroner and such like.

Basing one's opinion and judgments on unproven cases being reported by doctors offices and indiividauals is not definitive and is an irrational ilogical way to make good decisions about what is.

Now sure, anecodtslly it suggests rigourous investigations are required to show what is the relaity one way or the other ... but basing a perosnal judgement simply on the fact "REPORTS exists is not rational - it's simplistic.

Add to that individuals who by defualt alrwady ASSUME all doctors, coroners, hospoitals cannot be trusted anyway ... well, it's not menaingful nor objective reality.

It's guesswork and innuendo and emotional driven belief at play.

Thatls why Scientific method unfolded and was found to be much more reliable than GUESSWORK nd Religious likem beliefs, even if NOT Perfect .... overall it was shown to be a better approach.

Therefore good science needs to underpin determining who relay got sick and died from their covid vacine and who did not.

Logic must play a role also ... for example:

Post hoc ergo propter hoc is an informal fallacy that states: "Since event Y followed event X, event Y must have been caused by event X."

Reports made are often based on this Fallacy, and not hard objective evidence.

PLUS it's Opposite Fallacy

Slothful induction, also called appeal to coincidence, is a fallacy in which an inductive argument is denied its proper conclusion, despite strong evidence for inference. An example of slothful induction might be that of a careless man who has had twelve accidents in the last six months and it is strongly evident that it was due to his negligence or rashness, yet keeps insisting that it is just a coincidence and not his fault.[1] Its logical form is: evidence suggests X results in Y, yet the person in question insists Y was caused by something else.[2]

Its opposite fallacy (which perhaps occurs more often) is called Correlation does not imply causation.

Therefore, the reports are meaningful in that they POINT to a reason for further detail investigations ... aka applying the Precautionary Principle.

I'm all for thorough investigations by professional experts in a field. Such as Aircrash Investigations being performed by NTSB investigators and not general commentary on social media leaping to conclusions based on limited KNOWLEDGE of what is and was.

See?

The problem everyone had/still has with making fair reasonable and logical judgments about Eckankar and who did what when and what is was not ETHICAL and MORAL has been the 60 years of an ABSENCE OF ACCESSIBLE EVIDENCE and a number of people Lying about that or simply making shit up as they went.

I suspect, some of those *reports* you present is simply people and doctors making shit up .... submitting reports simply because there is a RULE that says they should .... so they do it to PROTECT THEMSELVES from an unsatisfactory DYSFUNCTIONAL SYSTEM versus they really believe COVID did it!

See?

Maybe not. But that's OK .... I am quite happy with my way of looking at things. And choosing what I will get unsettled about and the many things I choose to just ignore ... looks to me COVID has been the cause of well over 4 millions deaths globally so far. If the vaccine had caused deaths like that number, or even 10% of that number - it could not be hidden.

No one would need these VAERS reports to prove it.

See?

Maybe not, ok.

wernertrp

2021-08-06 08:07:03 UTC

I've had my first, of Astra Zenica. I'm not worried at all about
catching COVID, not living where I do in Western Australia, but I got it
because if I expect to ever resume working in international concert
tours then those who've been vaccinated are more likely to get to work
with international crews. Almost all the big shows we get here are from
the USA; COVID is now under much better control over there than last
year but still, it's pretty rife in certain sectors.
There are most certainly risks with the current vaccines, and they are
absolutely a rush job compared to the usual regime of development and
testing. I would expect newer and better generations of COVID vaccines
to start appearing later.
I got a bit of a reaction from my first jab, I had a pretty unpleasant
headache with some mild feverishness for a couple of hours, and I felt
nauseated. Not enough to throw up. Weirdly, after it settled down, I got
the same reaction again but milder about 24 hours later, for an hour or
so the next night. I'd had my jab in the early afternoon, felt
absolutely nothing for about 8 hours, then the reaction came later.
My mother's best friend, in her early 80's, was told by her GP that you
didn't have to wait 12 weeks between the 1st and 2nd shots of Astra
Zenica, go ahead and have it now when she was at about 5 or 6 weeks from
the first shot (it might have been less than that). Well, she ended up
in hospital, and they told her that this doctor was absolutely wrong for
people in her category, with Astra Zenica elderly people especially
cannot have their 2nd shot that close to the first. I'm still waiting
for my 2nd, in about 2 weeks that will be the 3 months since I had my first.
A few days after I turned 50 they made AZ available to over-50's, so for
the reasons above I decided to get it done. It was very easy, straight
through, I was in and out and all done in about 25 minutes including the
15 minutes sitting in observation waiting to see in case I had an
immediate bad reaction. Since then they've started saying, nope, not
recommended for under 60's any more, but with the huge Delta strain
outbreak in Sydney and surrounding areas of New South Wales, they're
urging people to consider AZ if they're younger... there seems to be
some conflict between the advice from the medicos and the politicians,
who are the ones urging everyone from 18 y.o. to "strongly consider" AZ,
since that's the one vaccine Australia has plenty of stocks of. The bad
publicity and changing advice has made people reluctant to get it, or at
least to wait and see what happens with it.
I'm hearing that if you have your first shot with AZ and the second with
Pfizer, that appears to give you the best immunological protection from
COVID currently available, but that is NOT universally agreed among the
researchers, even those who suggested it are saying it's really too
early to be sure. However, I wished I'd held out for Pfizer once they
started changing the advice re. AZ, so if I *can* get Pfizer for my 2nd
shot I will. They're also revising up the apparent effectiveness of AZ,
and revising it down for Pfizer, but again, the early evidence suggests
a mix of the two is best.... that sounds acceptable to me.
Australia continues to do the lockdowns pretty well (except for those
FREAKIN' MORONS!! with their "freedom rally", Oh No don't make us wear
masks it infringes on our civil rights!!, so we're throwing a Super
Spreader event amid the Delta outbreak just to prove a point), but has
totally dropped the ball on the vaccine program. They're crying that
they couldn't get adequate supplies of Pfizer, while the millions of
doses of AZ they *have* got are going to waste while people aren't sure
whether to get them or not. But in fact, Pfizer offered to make a deal
with the Aust. federal govt. to supply vaccines long ago and the govt.
actually turned them down, apparently because they believed they had it
covered (exactly how, they're not saying). So now, they just announced a
new deal with Pfizer for 85 million doses over 2 years, to get everyone
done who hasn't had it yet and to have booster shots available for next
year (AFAIK Australia's current population is a bit over 26 million).
While the USA is at well over 60% of people vaccinated, last I heard
we're at about 13%... yeah great job guys, way to go. We've got our
doubters like anywhere else but in the main, especially working people
are quite happy to get the shot so they can officially go back to work
and reopen their businesses, and all that.
There certainly are problems with the current 1st-generation COVID
vaccines and these are well documented, but state and fed. govt's here
are jumping pretty hard all over the outright misinformation and
fabrications out there, as well as the plain old nutjobs. There are
definitely plenty of those; when I say jumping on them they're not
resorting to actual censorship AFAIK, just countering with the official
line. The smart thing to do is *admit* the problems but keep them in
perspective, as the risks are really very low and the number of people
affected is very small. Certainly a tiny fraction of the risk that the
virus itself poses... if that doesn't sit right then consider the risks
to jobs and liberty while governments are still at the lockdown stage. I
personally think my chances of exposure to COVID, living in Perth, are
negligible, but I got my shot for work reasons. If I lived in Sydney
right now, I *would* be getting it as a means of protection against the
Delta outbreak.
BTW, it seems the great majority of those catching Delta in Sydney now
are those who won't observe the lockdown and who do things like refuse
masks and limiting contact. There's a reason ships have had the yellow
flag (contagion) for centuries before they even knew what a disease
really was or how it transmitted - because that's the one means of
actually stopping the thing that actually works, absent effective vaccines.
Seems such a shame to have gone through all the lockdowns and economic
devastation, just for the government to so badly drop that vaccination
ball and put us half a year or more behind where we could and should be
with getting to grips with the virus.

<<<<While the USA is at well over 60% of people vaccinated, last I heard
we're at about 13%... yeah great job guys, way to go. We've got our
doubters like anywhere else but in the main, especially working people
are quite happy to get the shot so they can officially go back to work
and reopen their businesses, and all that.>>>>
And thousands of those 60% have died right after or shortly after getting the first or second shot, and thousands more of those 60% have had heart attacks and blood clots that required hospitalization.
So yeah, if you have a revolver with a bullet in it, spin the cartridge, aim for the head and take a few shots, and see what happens - no pun intended :o)

In the U.S, 328.9 million COVID vaccine doses had been administered as of July 2. This includes: 134 million doses of Moderna's vaccine, 182 million doses of Pfizer and 13 million doses of the Johnson & Johnson (J&J) COVID vaccine.
Of the 9,048 deaths reported as of July 2, 22% occurred within 48 hours of vaccination, 15% occurred within 24 hours and 37% occurred in people who became ill within 48 hours of being vaccinated.
• 13,385 total adverse events, including 801 rated as serious and 14 reported deaths among 12- to 17-year-olds. Two of the nine deaths were suicides.
•The most recent reported death includes a 13-year-old boy (VAERS I.D. 1431289) with a previous history of COVID who suffered cardiac arrest and died 17 days after vaccination with Pfizer. Other reports include a 13-year-old boy (VAERS I.D. 1406840) who died two days after receiving a Pfizer vaccine, three 15-year-olds (VAERS I.D. 1187918, 1382906 and 1242573), four 16-year-olds (VAERS I.D. 1420630, 1426828, 1225942 and 1386841) and three 17-year-olds (VAERS I.D. 1199455, 1388042 and 1420762).
• 1,934 reports of anaphylaxis among 12- to 17-year-olds with 99% of cases
attributed to Pfizer's vaccine, 1.1% to Moderna and 0.2% (or four cases) to J&J.
• 347 reports of myocarditis and pericarditis (heart inflammation) with 343 attributed to Pfizer's vaccine.
• 57 reports of blood clotting disorders, 56 attributed to Pfizer and 1 attributed to Moderna.
•22% of deaths were related to cardiac disorders.
•50% of those who died were male, 45% were female and the remaining death reports did not include gender of the deceased.
•The average age of death was 74.7.
•As of July 2, 2,678 pregnant women reported adverse events related to COVID vaccines, including 994 reports of miscarriage or premature birth.
•Of the 4,456 cases of Bell's Palsy reported, 59% were attributed to Pfizer vaccinations, 39% to Moderna vaccine and 7% to J&J.
•398 reports of Guillain-Barré Syndrome, with 47% of cases attributed to Pfizer, 40% to Moderna and 19% to J&J.
• 121,092 reports of anaphylaxis with 46% of cases attributed to Pfizer's vaccine, 46% to Moderna and 7% to J&J.
• 8,256 reports of blood clotting disorders. Of those, 3,959 reports were attributed to Pfizer, 2,699 reports to Moderna and 1,552 reports to J&J.
• 1,796 cases of myocarditis and pericarditis with 1,177 cases attributed to Pfizer, 563 cases to Moderna and 52 cases to J&J's COVID vaccine.
https://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/number-deaths-reported-after-covid-vaccines-jumps-more-2000-1-week-according-vaer?utm_campaign=Daily%20NewsletterJuly%2018th%3A%20Number%20of%20Deaths%20Reported%20After%20COVID%20Vaccines%20Jumps%20by%20More%20Than%202%2C000%20in%201%20Week%2C%20According%20to%20VAERS%20%28XNfHHt%29&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Daily%20Newsletter&_kx=TLP1z0O5tG3f0E09L6hqGqUWCXVDCXhbpznmlbdzTVo%3D.K2vXAy

The report of an adverse event to VAERS *** is NOT *** documentation that a vaccine caused the event.
https://vaers.hhs.gov/data/dataguide.html

"Underreporting" is one of the main limitations of passive surveillance systems, including VAERS. The term, underreporting refers to the fact that VAERS receives reports for only a small fraction of actual adverse events.”
https://vaers.hhs.gov/data/dataguide.html
The number of vaccine injuries reported to VAERS has been estimated to be 1 to 10% of the actual number of injuries. A study by Harvard (I think) came up with that estimate.

Yes, estimates can say that underreporting exists, and can say what they want by estimating what % that might be. OK, sure. this is reasonable rational thinking.
But the essential fact remains despite this .... people either died from the covid vaccine and subsequent reactions to the vaccine ... or they did not.
and in a genuine rational world, such decisions would be made on each individual case as it arose. Each individual case would need to be confirmed using hard evidence, and signed off by a doctor, or a hospital or the coroner and such like.
Basing one's opinion and judgments on unproven cases being reported by doctors offices and indiividauals is not definitive and is an irrational ilogical way to make good decisions about what is.
Now sure, anecodtslly it suggests rigourous investigations are required to show what is the relaity one way or the other ... but basing a perosnal judgement simply on the fact "REPORTS exists is not rational - it's simplistic.
Add to that individuals who by defualt alrwady ASSUME all doctors, coroners, hospoitals cannot be trusted anyway ... well, it's not menaingful nor objective reality.
It's guesswork and innuendo and emotional driven belief at play.
Thatls why Scientific method unfolded and was found to be much more reliable than GUESSWORK nd Religious likem beliefs, even if NOT Perfect .... overall it was shown to be a better approach.
Therefore good science needs to underpin determining who relay got sick and died from their covid vacine and who did not.
Post hoc ergo propter hoc is an informal fallacy that states: "Since event Y followed event X, event Y must have been caused by event X."
Reports made are often based on this Fallacy, and not hard objective evidence.
PLUS it's Opposite Fallacy
Slothful induction, also called appeal to coincidence, is a fallacy in which an inductive argument is denied its proper conclusion, despite strong evidence for inference. An example of slothful induction might be that of a careless man who has had twelve accidents in the last six months and it is strongly evident that it was due to his negligence or rashness, yet keeps insisting that it is just a coincidence and not his fault.[1] Its logical form is: evidence suggests X results in Y, yet the person in question insists Y was caused by something else.[2]
Its opposite fallacy (which perhaps occurs more often) is called Correlation does not imply causation.
Therefore, the reports are meaningful in that they POINT to a reason for further detail investigations ... aka applying the Precautionary Principle.
I'm all for thorough investigations by professional experts in a field. Such as Aircrash Investigations being performed by NTSB investigators and not general commentary on social media leaping to conclusions based on limited KNOWLEDGE of what is and was.
See?
The problem everyone had/still has with making fair reasonable and logical judgments about Eckankar and who did what when and what is was not ETHICAL and MORAL has been the 60 years of an ABSENCE OF ACCESSIBLE EVIDENCE and a number of people Lying about that or simply making shit up as they went.
I suspect, some of those *reports* you present is simply people and doctors making shit up .... submitting reports simply because there is a RULE that says they should .... so they do it to PROTECT THEMSELVES from an unsatisfactory DYSFUNCTIONAL SYSTEM versus they really believe COVID did it!
See?
Maybe not. But that's OK .... I am quite happy with my way of looking at things. And choosing what I will get unsettled about and the many things I choose to just ignore ... looks to me COVID has been the cause of well over 4 millions deaths globally so far. If the vaccine had caused deaths like that number, or even 10% of that number - it could not be hidden.
No one would need these VAERS reports to prove it.
See?
Maybe not, ok.

In Deutschland lassen sich die Menschen impfen wenn sie eine Bratwurst kriegen.

Henosis Sage

2021-08-06 13:31:00 UTC

Post by wernertrp

I've had my first, of Astra Zenica. I'm not worried at all about
catching COVID, not living where I do in Western Australia, but I got it
because if I expect to ever resume working in international concert
tours then those who've been vaccinated are more likely to get to work
with international crews. Almost all the big shows we get here are from
the USA; COVID is now under much better control over there than last
year but still, it's pretty rife in certain sectors.
There are most certainly risks with the current vaccines, and they are
absolutely a rush job compared to the usual regime of development and
testing. I would expect newer and better generations of COVID vaccines
to start appearing later.
I got a bit of a reaction from my first jab, I had a pretty unpleasant
headache with some mild feverishness for a couple of hours, and I felt
nauseated. Not enough to throw up. Weirdly, after it settled down, I got
the same reaction again but milder about 24 hours later, for an hour or
so the next night. I'd had my jab in the early afternoon, felt
absolutely nothing for about 8 hours, then the reaction came later.
My mother's best friend, in her early 80's, was told by her GP that you
didn't have to wait 12 weeks between the 1st and 2nd shots of Astra
Zenica, go ahead and have it now when she was at about 5 or 6 weeks from
the first shot (it might have been less than that). Well, she ended up
in hospital, and they told her that this doctor was absolutely wrong for
people in her category, with Astra Zenica elderly people especially
cannot have their 2nd shot that close to the first. I'm still waiting
for my 2nd, in about 2 weeks that will be the 3 months since I had my first.
A few days after I turned 50 they made AZ available to over-50's, so for
the reasons above I decided to get it done. It was very easy, straight
through, I was in and out and all done in about 25 minutes including the
15 minutes sitting in observation waiting to see in case I had an
immediate bad reaction. Since then they've started saying, nope, not
recommended for under 60's any more, but with the huge Delta strain
outbreak in Sydney and surrounding areas of New South Wales, they're
urging people to consider AZ if they're younger... there seems to be
some conflict between the advice from the medicos and the politicians,
who are the ones urging everyone from 18 y.o. to "strongly consider" AZ,
since that's the one vaccine Australia has plenty of stocks of. The bad
publicity and changing advice has made people reluctant to get it, or at
least to wait and see what happens with it.
I'm hearing that if you have your first shot with AZ and the second with
Pfizer, that appears to give you the best immunological protection from
COVID currently available, but that is NOT universally agreed among the
researchers, even those who suggested it are saying it's really too
early to be sure. However, I wished I'd held out for Pfizer once they
started changing the advice re. AZ, so if I *can* get Pfizer for my 2nd
shot I will. They're also revising up the apparent effectiveness of AZ,
and revising it down for Pfizer, but again, the early evidence suggests
a mix of the two is best.... that sounds acceptable to me.
Australia continues to do the lockdowns pretty well (except for those
FREAKIN' MORONS!! with their "freedom rally", Oh No don't make us wear
masks it infringes on our civil rights!!, so we're throwing a Super
Spreader event amid the Delta outbreak just to prove a point), but has
totally dropped the ball on the vaccine program. They're crying that
they couldn't get adequate supplies of Pfizer, while the millions of
doses of AZ they *have* got are going to waste while people aren't sure
whether to get them or not. But in fact, Pfizer offered to make a deal
with the Aust. federal govt. to supply vaccines long ago and the govt.
actually turned them down, apparently because they believed they had it
covered (exactly how, they're not saying). So now, they just announced a
new deal with Pfizer for 85 million doses over 2 years, to get everyone
done who hasn't had it yet and to have booster shots available for next
year (AFAIK Australia's current population is a bit over 26 million).
While the USA is at well over 60% of people vaccinated, last I heard
we're at about 13%... yeah great job guys, way to go. We've got our
doubters like anywhere else but in the main, especially working people
are quite happy to get the shot so they can officially go back to work
and reopen their businesses, and all that.
There certainly are problems with the current 1st-generation COVID
vaccines and these are well documented, but state and fed. govt's here
are jumping pretty hard all over the outright misinformation and
fabrications out there, as well as the plain old nutjobs. There are
definitely plenty of those; when I say jumping on them they're not
resorting to actual censorship AFAIK, just countering with the official
line. The smart thing to do is *admit* the problems but keep them in
perspective, as the risks are really very low and the number of people
affected is very small. Certainly a tiny fraction of the risk that the
virus itself poses... if that doesn't sit right then consider the risks
to jobs and liberty while governments are still at the lockdown stage. I
personally think my chances of exposure to COVID, living in Perth, are
negligible, but I got my shot for work reasons. If I lived in Sydney
right now, I *would* be getting it as a means of protection against the
Delta outbreak.
BTW, it seems the great majority of those catching Delta in Sydney now
are those who won't observe the lockdown and who do things like refuse
masks and limiting contact. There's a reason ships have had the yellow
flag (contagion) for centuries before they even knew what a disease
really was or how it transmitted - because that's the one means of
actually stopping the thing that actually works, absent effective vaccines.
Seems such a shame to have gone through all the lockdowns and economic
devastation, just for the government to so badly drop that vaccination
ball and put us half a year or more behind where we could and should be
with getting to grips with the virus.

<<<<While the USA is at well over 60% of people vaccinated, last I heard
we're at about 13%... yeah great job guys, way to go. We've got our
doubters like anywhere else but in the main, especially working people
are quite happy to get the shot so they can officially go back to work
and reopen their businesses, and all that.>>>>
And thousands of those 60% have died right after or shortly after getting the first or second shot, and thousands more of those 60% have had heart attacks and blood clots that required hospitalization.
So yeah, if you have a revolver with a bullet in it, spin the cartridge, aim for the head and take a few shots, and see what happens - no pun intended :o)

In the U.S, 328.9 million COVID vaccine doses had been administered as of July 2. This includes: 134 million doses of Moderna's vaccine, 182 million doses of Pfizer and 13 million doses of the Johnson & Johnson (J&J) COVID vaccine.
Of the 9,048 deaths reported as of July 2, 22% occurred within 48 hours of vaccination, 15% occurred within 24 hours and 37% occurred in people who became ill within 48 hours of being vaccinated.
• 13,385 total adverse events, including 801 rated as serious and 14 reported deaths among 12- to 17-year-olds. Two of the nine deaths were suicides.
•The most recent reported death includes a 13-year-old boy (VAERS I.D. 1431289) with a previous history of COVID who suffered cardiac arrest and died 17 days after vaccination with Pfizer. Other reports include a 13-year-old boy (VAERS I.D. 1406840) who died two days after receiving a Pfizer vaccine, three 15-year-olds (VAERS I.D. 1187918, 1382906 and 1242573), four 16-year-olds (VAERS I.D. 1420630, 1426828, 1225942 and 1386841) and three 17-year-olds (VAERS I.D. 1199455, 1388042 and 1420762).
• 1,934 reports of anaphylaxis among 12- to 17-year-olds with 99% of cases
attributed to Pfizer's vaccine, 1.1% to Moderna and 0.2% (or four cases) to J&J.
• 347 reports of myocarditis and pericarditis (heart inflammation) with 343 attributed to Pfizer's vaccine.
• 57 reports of blood clotting disorders, 56 attributed to Pfizer and 1 attributed to Moderna.
•22% of deaths were related to cardiac disorders.
•50% of those who died were male, 45% were female and the remaining death reports did not include gender of the deceased.
•The average age of death was 74.7.
•As of July 2, 2,678 pregnant women reported adverse events related to COVID vaccines, including 994 reports of miscarriage or premature birth.
•Of the 4,456 cases of Bell's Palsy reported, 59% were attributed to Pfizer vaccinations, 39% to Moderna vaccine and 7% to J&J.
•398 reports of Guillain-Barré Syndrome, with 47% of cases attributed to Pfizer, 40% to Moderna and 19% to J&J.
• 121,092 reports of anaphylaxis with 46% of cases attributed to Pfizer's vaccine, 46% to Moderna and 7% to J&J.
• 8,256 reports of blood clotting disorders. Of those, 3,959 reports were attributed to Pfizer, 2,699 reports to Moderna and 1,552 reports to J&J.
• 1,796 cases of myocarditis and pericarditis with 1,177 cases attributed to Pfizer, 563 cases to Moderna and 52 cases to J&J's COVID vaccine.
https://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/number-deaths-reported-after-covid-vaccines-jumps-more-2000-1-week-according-vaer?utm_campaign=Daily%20NewsletterJuly%2018th%3A%20Number%20of%20Deaths%20Reported%20After%20COVID%20Vaccines%20Jumps%20by%20More%20Than%202%2C000%20in%201%20Week%2C%20According%20to%20VAERS%20%28XNfHHt%29&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Daily%20Newsletter&_kx=TLP1z0O5tG3f0E09L6hqGqUWCXVDCXhbpznmlbdzTVo%3D.K2vXAy

The report of an adverse event to VAERS *** is NOT *** documentation that a vaccine caused the event.
https://vaers.hhs.gov/data/dataguide.html

"Underreporting" is one of the main limitations of passive surveillance systems, including VAERS. The term, underreporting refers to the fact that VAERS receives reports for only a small fraction of actual adverse events.”
https://vaers.hhs.gov/data/dataguide.html
The number of vaccine injuries reported to VAERS has been estimated to be 1 to 10% of the actual number of injuries. A study by Harvard (I think) came up with that estimate.

Yes, estimates can say that underreporting exists, and can say what they want by estimating what % that might be. OK, sure. this is reasonable rational thinking.
But the essential fact remains despite this .... people either died from the covid vaccine and subsequent reactions to the vaccine ... or they did not.
and in a genuine rational world, such decisions would be made on each individual case as it arose. Each individual case would need to be confirmed using hard evidence, and signed off by a doctor, or a hospital or the coroner and such like.
Basing one's opinion and judgments on unproven cases being reported by doctors offices and indiividauals is not definitive and is an irrational ilogical way to make good decisions about what is.
Now sure, anecodtslly it suggests rigourous investigations are required to show what is the relaity one way or the other ... but basing a perosnal judgement simply on the fact "REPORTS exists is not rational - it's simplistic.
Add to that individuals who by defualt alrwady ASSUME all doctors, coroners, hospoitals cannot be trusted anyway ... well, it's not menaingful nor objective reality.
It's guesswork and innuendo and emotional driven belief at play.
Thatls why Scientific method unfolded and was found to be much more reliable than GUESSWORK nd Religious likem beliefs, even if NOT Perfect .... overall it was shown to be a better approach.
Therefore good science needs to underpin determining who relay got sick and died from their covid vacine and who did not.
Post hoc ergo propter hoc is an informal fallacy that states: "Since event Y followed event X, event Y must have been caused by event X."
Reports made are often based on this Fallacy, and not hard objective evidence.
PLUS it's Opposite Fallacy
Slothful induction, also called appeal to coincidence, is a fallacy in which an inductive argument is denied its proper conclusion, despite strong evidence for inference. An example of slothful induction might be that of a careless man who has had twelve accidents in the last six months and it is strongly evident that it was due to his negligence or rashness, yet keeps insisting that it is just a coincidence and not his fault.[1] Its logical form is: evidence suggests X results in Y, yet the person in question insists Y was caused by something else.[2]
Its opposite fallacy (which perhaps occurs more often) is called Correlation does not imply causation.
Therefore, the reports are meaningful in that they POINT to a reason for further detail investigations ... aka applying the Precautionary Principle.
I'm all for thorough investigations by professional experts in a field. Such as Aircrash Investigations being performed by NTSB investigators and not general commentary on social media leaping to conclusions based on limited KNOWLEDGE of what is and was.
See?
The problem everyone had/still has with making fair reasonable and logical judgments about Eckankar and who did what when and what is was not ETHICAL and MORAL has been the 60 years of an ABSENCE OF ACCESSIBLE EVIDENCE and a number of people Lying about that or simply making shit up as they went.
I suspect, some of those *reports* you present is simply people and doctors making shit up .... submitting reports simply because there is a RULE that says they should .... so they do it to PROTECT THEMSELVES from an unsatisfactory DYSFUNCTIONAL SYSTEM versus they really believe COVID did it!
See?
Maybe not. But that's OK .... I am quite happy with my way of looking at things. And choosing what I will get unsettled about and the many things I choose to just ignore ... looks to me COVID has been the cause of well over 4 millions deaths globally so far. If the vaccine had caused deaths like that number, or even 10% of that number - it could not be hidden.
No one would need these VAERS reports to prove it.
See?
Maybe not, ok.

In Deutschland lassen sich die Menschen impfen wenn sie eine Bratwurst kriegen.

LOL, oh boy. That was unexpected, and funny.

Maplin

2021-08-19 13:00:02 UTC

I've had my first, of Astra Zenica. I'm not worried at all about
catching COVID, not living where I do in Western Australia, but I got it
because if I expect to ever resume working in international concert
tours then those who've been vaccinated are more likely to get to work
with international crews. Almost all the big shows we get here are from
the USA; COVID is now under much better control over there than last
year but still, it's pretty rife in certain sectors.
There are most certainly risks with the current vaccines, and they are
absolutely a rush job compared to the usual regime of development and
testing. I would expect newer and better generations of COVID vaccines
to start appearing later.
I got a bit of a reaction from my first jab, I had a pretty unpleasant
headache with some mild feverishness for a couple of hours, and I felt
nauseated. Not enough to throw up. Weirdly, after it settled down, I got
the same reaction again but milder about 24 hours later, for an hour or
so the next night. I'd had my jab in the early afternoon, felt
absolutely nothing for about 8 hours, then the reaction came later.
My mother's best friend, in her early 80's, was told by her GP that you
didn't have to wait 12 weeks between the 1st and 2nd shots of Astra
Zenica, go ahead and have it now when she was at about 5 or 6 weeks from
the first shot (it might have been less than that). Well, she ended up
in hospital, and they told her that this doctor was absolutely wrong for
people in her category, with Astra Zenica elderly people especially
cannot have their 2nd shot that close to the first. I'm still waiting
for my 2nd, in about 2 weeks that will be the 3 months since I had my first.
A few days after I turned 50 they made AZ available to over-50's, so for
the reasons above I decided to get it done. It was very easy, straight
through, I was in and out and all done in about 25 minutes including the
15 minutes sitting in observation waiting to see in case I had an
immediate bad reaction. Since then they've started saying, nope, not
recommended for under 60's any more, but with the huge Delta strain
outbreak in Sydney and surrounding areas of New South Wales, they're
urging people to consider AZ if they're younger... there seems to be
some conflict between the advice from the medicos and the politicians,
who are the ones urging everyone from 18 y.o. to "strongly consider" AZ,
since that's the one vaccine Australia has plenty of stocks of. The bad
publicity and changing advice has made people reluctant to get it, or at
least to wait and see what happens with it.
I'm hearing that if you have your first shot with AZ and the second with
Pfizer, that appears to give you the best immunological protection from
COVID currently available, but that is NOT universally agreed among the
researchers, even those who suggested it are saying it's really too
early to be sure. However, I wished I'd held out for Pfizer once they
started changing the advice re. AZ, so if I *can* get Pfizer for my 2nd
shot I will. They're also revising up the apparent effectiveness of AZ,
and revising it down for Pfizer, but again, the early evidence suggests
a mix of the two is best.... that sounds acceptable to me.
Australia continues to do the lockdowns pretty well (except for those
FREAKIN' MORONS!! with their "freedom rally", Oh No don't make us wear
masks it infringes on our civil rights!!, so we're throwing a Super
Spreader event amid the Delta outbreak just to prove a point), but has
totally dropped the ball on the vaccine program. They're crying that
they couldn't get adequate supplies of Pfizer, while the millions of
doses of AZ they *have* got are going to waste while people aren't sure
whether to get them or not. But in fact, Pfizer offered to make a deal
with the Aust. federal govt. to supply vaccines long ago and the govt.
actually turned them down, apparently because they believed they had it
covered (exactly how, they're not saying). So now, they just announced a
new deal with Pfizer for 85 million doses over 2 years, to get everyone
done who hasn't had it yet and to have booster shots available for next
year (AFAIK Australia's current population is a bit over 26 million).
While the USA is at well over 60% of people vaccinated, last I heard
we're at about 13%... yeah great job guys, way to go. We've got our
doubters like anywhere else but in the main, especially working people
are quite happy to get the shot so they can officially go back to work
and reopen their businesses, and all that.
There certainly are problems with the current 1st-generation COVID
vaccines and these are well documented, but state and fed. govt's here
are jumping pretty hard all over the outright misinformation and
fabrications out there, as well as the plain old nutjobs. There are
definitely plenty of those; when I say jumping on them they're not
resorting to actual censorship AFAIK, just countering with the official
line. The smart thing to do is *admit* the problems but keep them in
perspective, as the risks are really very low and the number of people
affected is very small. Certainly a tiny fraction of the risk that the
virus itself poses... if that doesn't sit right then consider the risks
to jobs and liberty while governments are still at the lockdown stage. I
personally think my chances of exposure to COVID, living in Perth, are
negligible, but I got my shot for work reasons. If I lived in Sydney
right now, I *would* be getting it as a means of protection against the
Delta outbreak.
BTW, it seems the great majority of those catching Delta in Sydney now
are those who won't observe the lockdown and who do things like refuse
masks and limiting contact. There's a reason ships have had the yellow
flag (contagion) for centuries before they even knew what a disease
really was or how it transmitted - because that's the one means of
actually stopping the thing that actually works, absent effective vaccines.
Seems such a shame to have gone through all the lockdowns and economic
devastation, just for the government to so badly drop that vaccination
ball and put us half a year or more behind where we could and should be
with getting to grips with the virus.

<<<<While the USA is at well over 60% of people vaccinated, last I heard
we're at about 13%... yeah great job guys, way to go. We've got our
doubters like anywhere else but in the main, especially working people
are quite happy to get the shot so they can officially go back to work
and reopen their businesses, and all that.>>>>
And thousands of those 60% have died right after or shortly after getting the first or second shot, and thousands more of those 60% have had heart attacks and blood clots that required hospitalization.
So yeah, if you have a revolver with a bullet in it, spin the cartridge, aim for the head and take a few shots, and see what happens - no pun intended :o)

In the U.S, 328.9 million COVID vaccine doses had been administered as of July 2. This includes: 134 million doses of Moderna's vaccine, 182 million doses of Pfizer and 13 million doses of the Johnson & Johnson (J&J) COVID vaccine.
Of the 9,048 deaths reported as of July 2, 22% occurred within 48 hours of vaccination, 15% occurred within 24 hours and 37% occurred in people who became ill within 48 hours of being vaccinated.
• 13,385 total adverse events, including 801 rated as serious and 14 reported deaths among 12- to 17-year-olds. Two of the nine deaths were suicides.
•The most recent reported death includes a 13-year-old boy (VAERS I.D. 1431289) with a previous history of COVID who suffered cardiac arrest and died 17 days after vaccination with Pfizer. Other reports include a 13-year-old boy (VAERS I.D. 1406840) who died two days after receiving a Pfizer vaccine, three 15-year-olds (VAERS I.D. 1187918, 1382906 and 1242573), four 16-year-olds (VAERS I.D. 1420630, 1426828, 1225942 and 1386841) and three 17-year-olds (VAERS I.D. 1199455, 1388042 and 1420762).
• 1,934 reports of anaphylaxis among 12- to 17-year-olds with 99% of cases
attributed to Pfizer's vaccine, 1.1% to Moderna and 0.2% (or four cases) to J&J.
• 347 reports of myocarditis and pericarditis (heart inflammation) with 343 attributed to Pfizer's vaccine.
• 57 reports of blood clotting disorders, 56 attributed to Pfizer and 1 attributed to Moderna.
•22% of deaths were related to cardiac disorders.
•50% of those who died were male, 45% were female and the remaining death reports did not include gender of the deceased.
•The average age of death was 74.7.
•As of July 2, 2,678 pregnant women reported adverse events related to COVID vaccines, including 994 reports of miscarriage or premature birth.
•Of the 4,456 cases of Bell's Palsy reported, 59% were attributed to Pfizer vaccinations, 39% to Moderna vaccine and 7% to J&J.
•398 reports of Guillain-Barré Syndrome, with 47% of cases attributed to Pfizer, 40% to Moderna and 19% to J&J.
• 121,092 reports of anaphylaxis with 46% of cases attributed to Pfizer's vaccine, 46% to Moderna and 7% to J&J.
• 8,256 reports of blood clotting disorders. Of those, 3,959 reports were attributed to Pfizer, 2,699 reports to Moderna and 1,552 reports to J&J.
• 1,796 cases of myocarditis and pericarditis with 1,177 cases attributed to Pfizer, 563 cases to Moderna and 52 cases to J&J's COVID vaccine.
https://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/number-deaths-reported-after-covid-vaccines-jumps-more-2000-1-week-according-vaer?utm_campaign=Daily%20NewsletterJuly%2018th%3A%20Number%20of%20Deaths%20Reported%20After%20COVID%20Vaccines%20Jumps%20by%20More%20Than%202%2C000%20in%201%20Week%2C%20According%20to%20VAERS%20%28XNfHHt%29&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Daily%20Newsletter&_kx=TLP1z0O5tG3f0E09L6hqGqUWCXVDCXhbpznmlbdzTVo%3D.K2vXAy

The report of an adverse event to VAERS *** is NOT *** documentation that a vaccine caused the event.
https://vaers.hhs.gov/data/dataguide.html

Yes that's like the Clive Palmer bullshit in those front page ads he's
been paying for - that 400 hundred-odd people died after having their
vaccinations... however, what he kind of didn't mention is that only 7
of those people died from anything to do WITH the vaccine, the rest died
of all sorts of causes, including car crashes. But, if they had a car
crash and died of it after they had their shot, that's good enough for
Clive!

I'm trying to work out exactly what he hopes to achieve... surely not
votes? The great majority of Australians are absolutely willing and
intend to get vaccinated, even if some of them are waiting for Moderna /
Novavax or whatever, or putting it off for some reason, yet Palmer seems
to think that he appeal to the <10% who really don't want to do it... or
maybe talk people OUT of vaccination altogether. Gee Clive, that's going
to really help you next time you demand to cross the hard border without
a permit, if you can get everyone to not vaccinate. Or maybe if you can
just make over half the population change their minds, THEN they'll vote
for you after that, is that the plan?

I really hope that no one, say, eggs Mineralogy's offices (the mining
company owned and run by Clive Palmer) in Cloisters Square, St George's
Tce Perth or brings media to create bad publicity for him, not even
their personal Youtube, Facebook or other social media pages... that
would be controversial. Considering the broad opposition to his
campaign, let's hope nobody thinks of coordinating a response to those
newspaper ads across social and traditional media, that would be simple
to do and likely successful, so hopefully nobody thinks of that.
I also hope they don't, for example, start a phone-in / black-fax
campaign to tie up their phone lines on +61 8 9324 2227 / fax +61 8 9324
2244 (Perth), +61 7 5559 3999 / fax 61 7 5559 3988 for the Gold Coast
office or in Brisbane, ph. +61 7 3832 2044 / fax +61 7 3832 2021. Nobody
should do that, to those numbers. That would be wrong.

Maplin

2021-08-19 13:13:06 UTC

I've had my first, of Astra Zenica. I'm not worried at all about
catching COVID, not living where I do in Western Australia, but I got it
because if I expect to ever resume working in international concert
tours then those who've been vaccinated are more likely to get to work
with international crews. Almost all the big shows we get here are from
the USA; COVID is now under much better control over there than last
year but still, it's pretty rife in certain sectors.
There are most certainly risks with the current vaccines, and they are
absolutely a rush job compared to the usual regime of development and
testing. I would expect newer and better generations of COVID vaccines
to start appearing later.
I got a bit of a reaction from my first jab, I had a pretty unpleasant
headache with some mild feverishness for a couple of hours, and I felt
nauseated. Not enough to throw up. Weirdly, after it settled down, I got
the same reaction again but milder about 24 hours later, for an hour or
so the next night. I'd had my jab in the early afternoon, felt
absolutely nothing for about 8 hours, then the reaction came later.
My mother's best friend, in her early 80's, was told by her GP that you
didn't have to wait 12 weeks between the 1st and 2nd shots of Astra
Zenica, go ahead and have it now when she was at about 5 or 6 weeks from
the first shot (it might have been less than that). Well, she ended up
in hospital, and they told her that this doctor was absolutely wrong for
people in her category, with Astra Zenica elderly people especially
cannot have their 2nd shot that close to the first. I'm still waiting
for my 2nd, in about 2 weeks that will be the 3 months since I had my first.
A few days after I turned 50 they made AZ available to over-50's, so for
the reasons above I decided to get it done. It was very easy, straight
through, I was in and out and all done in about 25 minutes including the
15 minutes sitting in observation waiting to see in case I had an
immediate bad reaction. Since then they've started saying, nope, not
recommended for under 60's any more, but with the huge Delta strain
outbreak in Sydney and surrounding areas of New South Wales, they're
urging people to consider AZ if they're younger... there seems to be
some conflict between the advice from the medicos and the politicians,
who are the ones urging everyone from 18 y.o. to "strongly consider" AZ,
since that's the one vaccine Australia has plenty of stocks of. The bad
publicity and changing advice has made people reluctant to get it, or at
least to wait and see what happens with it.
I'm hearing that if you have your first shot with AZ and the second with
Pfizer, that appears to give you the best immunological protection from
COVID currently available, but that is NOT universally agreed among the
researchers, even those who suggested it are saying it's really too
early to be sure. However, I wished I'd held out for Pfizer once they
started changing the advice re. AZ, so if I *can* get Pfizer for my 2nd
shot I will. They're also revising up the apparent effectiveness of AZ,
and revising it down for Pfizer, but again, the early evidence suggests
a mix of the two is best.... that sounds acceptable to me.
Australia continues to do the lockdowns pretty well (except for those
FREAKIN' MORONS!! with their "freedom rally", Oh No don't make us wear
masks it infringes on our civil rights!!, so we're throwing a Super
Spreader event amid the Delta outbreak just to prove a point), but has
totally dropped the ball on the vaccine program. They're crying that
they couldn't get adequate supplies of Pfizer, while the millions of
doses of AZ they *have* got are going to waste while people aren't sure
whether to get them or not. But in fact, Pfizer offered to make a deal
with the Aust. federal govt. to supply vaccines long ago and the govt.
actually turned them down, apparently because they believed they had it
covered (exactly how, they're not saying). So now, they just announced a
new deal with Pfizer for 85 million doses over 2 years, to get everyone
done who hasn't had it yet and to have booster shots available for next
year (AFAIK Australia's current population is a bit over 26 million).
While the USA is at well over 60% of people vaccinated, last I heard
we're at about 13%... yeah great job guys, way to go. We've got our
doubters like anywhere else but in the main, especially working people
are quite happy to get the shot so they can officially go back to work
and reopen their businesses, and all that.
There certainly are problems with the current 1st-generation COVID
vaccines and these are well documented, but state and fed. govt's here
are jumping pretty hard all over the outright misinformation and
fabrications out there, as well as the plain old nutjobs. There are
definitely plenty of those; when I say jumping on them they're not
resorting to actual censorship AFAIK, just countering with the official
line. The smart thing to do is *admit* the problems but keep them in
perspective, as the risks are really very low and the number of people
affected is very small. Certainly a tiny fraction of the risk that the
virus itself poses... if that doesn't sit right then consider the risks
to jobs and liberty while governments are still at the lockdown stage. I
personally think my chances of exposure to COVID, living in Perth, are
negligible, but I got my shot for work reasons. If I lived in Sydney
right now, I *would* be getting it as a means of protection against the
Delta outbreak.
BTW, it seems the great majority of those catching Delta in Sydney now
are those who won't observe the lockdown and who do things like refuse
masks and limiting contact. There's a reason ships have had the yellow
flag (contagion) for centuries before they even knew what a disease
really was or how it transmitted - because that's the one means of
actually stopping the thing that actually works, absent effective vaccines.
Seems such a shame to have gone through all the lockdowns and economic
devastation, just for the government to so badly drop that vaccination
ball and put us half a year or more behind where we could and should be
with getting to grips with the virus.

Had my 2nd AZ shot, no adverse reaction whatsoever, felt fine.
The WA govt could and should do a lot better though, since we're BOTTOM
of the list for vaccination rollout. Being about the last major
population centre without an outbreak recently *this is our chance* to
get ahead of it, and they're blowing it, of course. We don't want to end
up like NSW.

Funny how in places like India, SE Asia, S. America and anywhere else
they have really serious outbreaks with a lot of deaths, they don't seem
to have so many rallies and online campaigns about it being a hoax and a
conspiracy or infringing on their liberties and all that shit. It's
almost as if actually seeing people suffering and die in front of you
has some kind of effect on people... funny that. It's like, the very
fact that our wealthy nations HAVING the means and will to actually
respond to a crisis, means that when you're protected and safe you have
the luxury of indulging all kinds of fantasies and publicity-seeking.
Like you can get yourself some airtime just by be being contrary and
attention-seeking for its own sake, but when it actually hits YOU and
the people you care about, funnily enough, the opposition kinda stops.

I guess when you're so desperate to save a dying loved one, when all the
emergency wards and ICU's are beyond full and spilling into the hospital
carparks, that you have to break into welder's yards to steal oxygen
cylinders to give your dying child, spouse or parent *some* kind of
chance to survive, they seem to actually *stop* deliberately
mis-interpreting the figures and quoting any crackpot they can dredge up
so they can try and recruit a few more dysfunctional paranoid
unemployable blowhards to their cause.
Gee, why do you suppose that is?

Tisra Til

2021-08-19 19:40:50 UTC

I've had my first, of Astra Zenica. I'm not worried at all about
catching COVID, not living where I do in Western Australia, but I got it
because if I expect to ever resume working in international concert
tours then those who've been vaccinated are more likely to get to work
with international crews. Almost all the big shows we get here are from
the USA; COVID is now under much better control over there than last
year but still, it's pretty rife in certain sectors.
There are most certainly risks with the current vaccines, and they are
absolutely a rush job compared to the usual regime of development and
testing. I would expect newer and better generations of COVID vaccines
to start appearing later.
I got a bit of a reaction from my first jab, I had a pretty unpleasant
headache with some mild feverishness for a couple of hours, and I felt
nauseated. Not enough to throw up. Weirdly, after it settled down, I got
the same reaction again but milder about 24 hours later, for an hour or
so the next night. I'd had my jab in the early afternoon, felt
absolutely nothing for about 8 hours, then the reaction came later.
My mother's best friend, in her early 80's, was told by her GP that you
didn't have to wait 12 weeks between the 1st and 2nd shots of Astra
Zenica, go ahead and have it now when she was at about 5 or 6 weeks from
the first shot (it might have been less than that). Well, she ended up
in hospital, and they told her that this doctor was absolutely wrong for
people in her category, with Astra Zenica elderly people especially
cannot have their 2nd shot that close to the first. I'm still waiting
for my 2nd, in about 2 weeks that will be the 3 months since I had my first.
A few days after I turned 50 they made AZ available to over-50's, so for
the reasons above I decided to get it done. It was very easy, straight
through, I was in and out and all done in about 25 minutes including the
15 minutes sitting in observation waiting to see in case I had an
immediate bad reaction. Since then they've started saying, nope, not
recommended for under 60's any more, but with the huge Delta strain
outbreak in Sydney and surrounding areas of New South Wales, they're
urging people to consider AZ if they're younger... there seems to be
some conflict between the advice from the medicos and the politicians,
who are the ones urging everyone from 18 y.o. to "strongly consider" AZ,
since that's the one vaccine Australia has plenty of stocks of. The bad
publicity and changing advice has made people reluctant to get it, or at
least to wait and see what happens with it.
I'm hearing that if you have your first shot with AZ and the second with
Pfizer, that appears to give you the best immunological protection from
COVID currently available, but that is NOT universally agreed among the
researchers, even those who suggested it are saying it's really too
early to be sure. However, I wished I'd held out for Pfizer once they
started changing the advice re. AZ, so if I *can* get Pfizer for my 2nd
shot I will. They're also revising up the apparent effectiveness of AZ,
and revising it down for Pfizer, but again, the early evidence suggests
a mix of the two is best.... that sounds acceptable to me.
Australia continues to do the lockdowns pretty well (except for those
FREAKIN' MORONS!! with their "freedom rally", Oh No don't make us wear
masks it infringes on our civil rights!!, so we're throwing a Super
Spreader event amid the Delta outbreak just to prove a point), but has
totally dropped the ball on the vaccine program. They're crying that
they couldn't get adequate supplies of Pfizer, while the millions of
doses of AZ they *have* got are going to waste while people aren't sure
whether to get them or not. But in fact, Pfizer offered to make a deal
with the Aust. federal govt. to supply vaccines long ago and the govt.
actually turned them down, apparently because they believed they had it
covered (exactly how, they're not saying). So now, they just announced a
new deal with Pfizer for 85 million doses over 2 years, to get everyone
done who hasn't had it yet and to have booster shots available for next
year (AFAIK Australia's current population is a bit over 26 million).
While the USA is at well over 60% of people vaccinated, last I heard
we're at about 13%... yeah great job guys, way to go. We've got our
doubters like anywhere else but in the main, especially working people
are quite happy to get the shot so they can officially go back to work
and reopen their businesses, and all that.
There certainly are problems with the current 1st-generation COVID
vaccines and these are well documented, but state and fed. govt's here
are jumping pretty hard all over the outright misinformation and
fabrications out there, as well as the plain old nutjobs. There are
definitely plenty of those; when I say jumping on them they're not
resorting to actual censorship AFAIK, just countering with the official
line. The smart thing to do is *admit* the problems but keep them in
perspective, as the risks are really very low and the number of people
affected is very small. Certainly a tiny fraction of the risk that the
virus itself poses... if that doesn't sit right then consider the risks
to jobs and liberty while governments are still at the lockdown stage. I
personally think my chances of exposure to COVID, living in Perth, are
negligible, but I got my shot for work reasons. If I lived in Sydney
right now, I *would* be getting it as a means of protection against the
Delta outbreak.
BTW, it seems the great majority of those catching Delta in Sydney now
are those who won't observe the lockdown and who do things like refuse
masks and limiting contact. There's a reason ships have had the yellow
flag (contagion) for centuries before they even knew what a disease
really was or how it transmitted - because that's the one means of
actually stopping the thing that actually works, absent effective vaccines.
Seems such a shame to have gone through all the lockdowns and economic
devastation, just for the government to so badly drop that vaccination
ball and put us half a year or more behind where we could and should be
with getting to grips with the virus.

Had my 2nd AZ shot, no adverse reaction whatsoever, felt fine.
The WA govt could and should do a lot better though, since we're BOTTOM
of the list for vaccination rollout. Being about the last major
population centre without an outbreak recently *this is our chance* to
get ahead of it, and they're blowing it, of course. We don't want to end
up like NSW.
Funny how in places like India, SE Asia, S. America and anywhere else
they have really serious outbreaks with a lot of deaths, they don't seem
to have so many rallies and online campaigns about it being a hoax and a
conspiracy or infringing on their liberties and all that shit. It's
almost as if actually seeing people suffering and die in front of you
has some kind of effect on people... funny that. It's like, the very
fact that our wealthy nations HAVING the means and will to actually
respond to a crisis, means that when you're protected and safe you have
the luxury of indulging all kinds of fantasies and publicity-seeking.
Like you can get yourself some airtime just by be being contrary and
attention-seeking for its own sake, but when it actually hits YOU and
the people you care about, funnily enough, the opposition kinda stops.
I guess when you're so desperate to save a dying loved one, when all the
emergency wards and ICU's are beyond full and spilling into the hospital
carparks, that you have to break into welder's yards to steal oxygen
cylinders to give your dying child, spouse or parent *some* kind of
chance to survive, they seem to actually *stop* deliberately
mis-interpreting the figures and quoting any crackpot they can dredge up
so they can try and recruit a few more dysfunctional paranoid
unemployable blowhards to their cause.
Gee, why do you suppose that is?

Yes, the people in those countries you mention have more pressing issues to deal with than a fictionalized, computer created boogeyman, like enough food to eat - let alone nutrition - and a decent place to protect them from the elements, and clean water to drink. We ‘Westerners’ seem to ignore, or aren’t aware of (the most likely) those little things that improved the health of billions before these poisons ever came out. The proof is there if anyone takes the time to look into it. India jettisoned Bill Gates and his polio vaccine because more people were becoming paralyzed after getting vaccinated. But MM will never reveal that fact to the masses, who haven’t a clue of what’s going down.

Post by Maplin
I guess when you're so desperate to save a dying loved one, when all the
emergency wards and ICU's are beyond full and spilling into the hospital
carparks, that you have to break into welder's yards to steal oxygen
cylinders to give your dying child, spouse or parent *some* kind of
chance to survive, they seem to actually *stop* deliberately
mis-interpreting the figures and quoting any crackpot they can dredge up
so they can try and recruit a few more dysfunctional paranoid
unemployable blowhards to their cause.
Gee, why do you suppose that is?

Okay. And where is all the proof you have of that? Where did you get that? Some parrot on a MM channel? Your local newspaper- with pictures to back it up? Where’s the beef - proof? You’ve verified all of this yourself? If you haven’t you have no right to hurl invectives at those who think or believe something different than you, or have investigated it themselves. That’s hypocritical, and illogical reasoning. Just an opinion. Nothing more.

marika

2021-08-03 01:31:45 UTC