Post by EtznabPost by Henosis SagePost by fifeI've given my opinion of Rebazar Tarzs and Eckankar so many damn times on this board over the past three years that there's no reason to challenge me to do so (again) other than to be provocative, annoying, or start an argument. Give it up. :-)
Not using ontology/epistemology framing you have not that i know of. not that i reas every comment you have made.
you brought it up . it was a very reasonable topical present time query.
iow a quite normal followup query.
and i dont recall your opinion on RT either. not in relation to present commentary just recently.
i am not a computer storage device. i'm only speaking for me.
whatever. be like that, be like whatever you want. not my problem.
I shared a Fife quote recently where he compared Rebazar Tarzs to a saint.
"So, why keep St. Christopher (or Rebazar Tarzs)? Why not?"
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.religion.eckankar/c/cBZWdVOSXco/m/kwL1L9jcAAAJ
Fife's answer was Why not?
My thread was titled: Why keep the pseudo Rebazar Tarzs?
Fife's explanation about Rebazar Tarzs (even though he later claimed R.T. was never a real person) was:
Why keep the pseudo Rebazar Tarzs?
Hi Etz.
I think I'd answer that question by making a comparison with all the saints that my friends learned about in catechism.
Take St. Christopher. First he was a saint then he wasn't now he is again.
I liked St. Christopher. But was he even a real person at one time?
There were people who made a few pennies acting like human ferries to carry people and goods across streams and fordable rivers.
But St. Christopher and the Christ child? But the point is, that the story is an opportunity to expand on the ideas of charity, love, kindness and other qualities.
So, why keep St. Christopher (or Rebazar Tarzs)?
Why not?
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.religion.eckankar/c/cBZWdVOSXco/m/kwL1L9jcAAAJ
And my question was not Why keep Rebazar Tarzs. The question was Why keep the pseudo Rebazar Tarzs? And I qualified that in my first two posts on the thread before Fife responded. The second post read: "Why keep up the charade?"
So even before Fife responded, the thread had: Why keep the pseudo Rebazar Tarzs? and Why keep up the charade?
Fife wrote "Why not?" And then later goes on to explain how there never was a real Rebazar Tarzs and that Eckankar (in so many words) couldn't afford to get rid of Rebazar Tarzs.
WHY KEEP ...? And if I read the responses right it was "Why not?"
It wasn't Fife's issue.
Me: You did see the word pseudo didn't you? Why keep the pseudo R.T.?
Fife: Because there is no real one and never was? But whether Eckankar keeps or doesn't keep isn't my issue. There is no real one so its either what they've got or none isn't it?
And when I wrote about the "other" R.T's, it seems Fife likes the Eckankar R.T. better.
"What I can say for myself about Rebezar Tarzs elsewhere than Eckankar is this. I (personally) don't like NU Wave or Vardankar and I don't know why Eckankar doesn't sue. If they win one suit against one of these, they could go against any and all."
Several posts down the thread I said it again: "The question wasn't about keeping Rebazar Tarzs, or not. It was about keeping the PSEUDO Rebazar Tarzs."
Fife responded: There's no real one Etz.
Do you mean, keeping Rebazar Tarzs as the fake figure that he is, or eliminating him entirely from Eckankar because he's an imaginary creation?
Evidently, Fife still isn't sure I meant the former.
Me: I guess you can't understand my meaning.
Fife: Not at all. Not a problem. Just say what you mean.
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.religion.eckankar/c/cBZWdVOSXco/m/AJsqD9WsCAAJ
Umm. I said What I meant in the title, and in the first couple posts. Why keep the pseudo Rebazar Tarzs? and Why keep up the charade?
Maybe I should clarify this here. I'll put it another way.
Why make out that Rebazar Tarzs was / is a real person? Why keep doing that?