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The Key to Eckankar - review and commentary
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Etznab
2014-06-23 13:14:13 UTC
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If "borrowing" took place for the composition of this Eckankar book, evidently information was "borrowed" (AT LEAST) from:

(1) The Power of Awareness, Copyright © 1952 by Neville Goddard

http://archive.org/stream/ThePowerOfAwareness/Neville_ThePowerOfAwareness_djvu.txt

http://ia600202.us.archive.org/11/items/ThePowerOfAwareness/Neville_ThePowerOfAwareness.pdf

(2) Old Ugly Face, first published in 1940 by Talbot Mundy

http://freeread.com.au/@RGLibrary/TalbotMundy/Novels/OldUglyFace.html

(3) Practicing The Presence, Copyright 1958 by Joel S. Goldsmith

http://www.scribd.com/doc/218780789/82916572-Practicing-the-Presence-of-God-Joel-S-Goldsmith-1

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Take a look at the following threads containing illustrated comparisons and judge for yourself.

https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups&hl=en#!searchin/alt.religion.eckankar/Eckankar$20Quotes/alt.religion.eckankar/flfUQLhMzNA/-P1JcvhxWlkJ

https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups&hl=en#!topic/alt.religion.eckankar/c382wI9NoIY

https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups&hl=en#!topic/alt.religion.eckankar/OB416Fe7BmA

https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups&hl=en#!topic/alt.religion.eckankar/C6u9t1O-MpE

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Etznab
2015-06-17 00:12:10 UTC
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(1) The Power of Awareness, Copyright © 1952 by Neville Goddard
http://archive.org/stream/ThePowerOfAwareness/Neville_ThePowerOfAwareness_djvu.txt
http://ia600202.us.archive.org/11/items/ThePowerOfAwareness/Neville_ThePowerOfAwareness.pdf
(2) Old Ugly Face, first published in 1940 by Talbot Mundy
(3) Practicing The Presence, Copyright 1958 by Joel S. Goldsmith
http://www.scribd.com/doc/218780789/82916572-Practicing-the-Presence-of-God-Joel-S-Goldsmith-1
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Take a look at the following threads containing illustrated comparisons and judge for yourself.
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups&hl=en#!searchin/alt.religion.eckankar/Eckankar$20Quotes/alt.religion.eckankar/flfUQLhMzNA/-P1JcvhxWlkJ
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups&hl=en#!topic/alt.religion.eckankar/c382wI9NoIY
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups&hl=en#!topic/alt.religion.eckankar/OB416Fe7BmA
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups&hl=en#!topic/alt.religion.eckankar/C6u9t1O-MpE
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[...]

"Of course, of course," Rebazar Tarzs said, impatiently. "Do you remember that part of the Shariyat-Ki-Sugmad* where it says, 'All things when they are admitted are manifested through God by the Light and Sound, for everything that is made manifest is of Sound, or what we call the Word'?
"This means that Sound, or the Word, is consciousness. Consciousness is one, manifesting in legions of forms or levels of consciousness. There is no one who is not all that is, for consciousness is not divisional, though expressed in an infinite series of levels. There is no real separation or gap in consciousness. God cannot be divided. I can conceive myself to be a rich man, poor man, beggarman, or thief, but the center of my being remains the same, regardless of the concept I hold of myself. At the center of manifestation there is only one God, or I AM, or Soul, or whatever name you choose to call IT. But IT is manifesting in legions of forms or concepts of ITSELF.
"I AM that I AM," the Master continued. "I AM is the self-definition of the Absolute, the foundation upon which everything rests. This was told to Moses when he faced God in the burning bush. I AM is the First Cause Substance. Throughout the scriptures of the Shariyat-Ki-Sugmad, the expression is used which is similar to that in the Christian Bible, e.g., 'I AM hath sent me unto you. I AM that I AM,' and 'Be still and know that I AM IT, the SUGMAD.'

[... .]

Based on: The Key to ECKANKAR, by Paul Twitchell, Copyright 1968, 1985 - ECKANKAR, Fourth Printing - 1985, pp. 1-4.

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[...]

Chapter One

I AM
All things when they are admitted are made manifest by the light: for everything that is made manifest is light.

Eph. 5:13

THE "light" is consciousness. Consciousness is one, manifesting in legions of forms or levels of consciousness. There is no one that is not all that is, for consciousness, though expressed in an infinite series of levels, is not divisional. There is no real separation or gap in consciousness. I AM cannot be divided. I may conceive myself to be a rich man, a poor man, a beggar man or a thief, but the center of my being remains the same regardless of the concept I hold of myself. At the center of manifestation there is only one I AM manifesting in legions of forms or concepts of itself and "I am that I am."
I AM is the self-definition of the absolute, the foundation on which everything rests. I AM is the first cause-substance. I AM is the self-definition of God.
I AM hath sent me unto you.
I AM THAT I AM.
Be still and know that I AM God.

[... .]

http://archive.org/stream/ThePowerOfAwareness/Neville_ThePowerOfAwareness_djvu.txt

http://ia600202.us.archive.org/11/items/ThePowerOfAwareness/Neville_ThePowerOfAwareness.pdf

Based on: The Power of Awareness, Copyright © 1952 by Neville - Revised Edition Copyright © 1992 by Victoria Goddard, pp. 2-4.

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Another webpage can be located (perhaps linked to Wikipedia's Eckankar page) for compiling the illustrations only, devoid of comments, so other people can look and decide for themselves. A link to a.r.e. can be given is people want to share views, or discuss.

All known plagiarisms can be revisited at a.r.e., gathered in the process, and compiled to another page.

I think we can also discuss the illustrations first to check for typos, the correct grammar and representations, before uploading to the archive page. I can check with some groups who study plagiarisms and ask them about the best ways to illustrate long examples.
Etznab
2015-06-19 21:46:38 UTC
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(1) The Power of Awareness, Copyright © 1952 by Neville Goddard
http://archive.org/stream/ThePowerOfAwareness/Neville_ThePowerOfAwareness_djvu.txt
http://ia600202.us.archive.org/11/items/ThePowerOfAwareness/Neville_ThePowerOfAwareness.pdf
(2) Old Ugly Face, first published in 1940 by Talbot Mundy
(3) Practicing The Presence, Copyright 1958 by Joel S. Goldsmith
http://www.scribd.com/doc/218780789/82916572-Practicing-the-Presence-of-God-Joel-S-Goldsmith-1
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Take a look at the following threads containing illustrated comparisons and judge for yourself.
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups&hl=en#!searchin/alt.religion.eckankar/Eckankar$20Quotes/alt.religion.eckankar/flfUQLhMzNA/-P1JcvhxWlkJ
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups&hl=en#!topic/alt.religion.eckankar/c382wI9NoIY
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups&hl=en#!topic/alt.religion.eckankar/OB416Fe7BmA
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups&hl=en#!topic/alt.religion.eckankar/C6u9t1O-MpE
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Add your comments here.
[...]

"Of course, of course," Rebazar Tarzs said, impatiently. "Do you remember that part of the Shariyat-Ki-Sugmad* where it says, 'All things when they are admitted are manifested through God by the Light and Sound, for everything that is made manifest is of Sound, or what we call the Word'?
"This means that Sound, or the Word, is consciousness. Consciousness is one, manifesting in legions of forms or levels of consciousness. There is no one who is not all that is, for consciousness is not divisional, though expressed in an infinite series of levels. There is no real separation or gap in consciousness. God cannot be divided. I can conceive myself to be a rich man, poor man, beggarman, or thief, but the center of my being remains the same, regardless of the concept I hold of myself. At the center of manifestation there is only one God, or I AM, or Soul, or whatever name you choose to call IT. But IT is manifesting in legions of forms or concepts of ITSELF.
"I AM that I AM," the Master continued. "I AM is the self-definition of the Absolute, the foundation upon which everything rests. This was told to Moses when he faced God in the burning bush. I AM is the First Cause Substance. Throughout the scriptures of the Shariyat-Ki-Sugmad, the expression is used which is similar to that in the Christian Bible, e.g., 'I AM hath sent me unto you. I AM that I AM,' and 'Be still and know that I AM IT, the SUGMAD.'

[... .]

Based on: The Key to ECKANKAR, by Paul Twitchell, Copyright 1968, 1985 - ECKANKAR, Fourth Printing - 1985, pp. 1-4.

******************************************************************************

[...]

Chapter One

I AM
All things when they are admitted are made manifest by the light: for everything that is made manifest is light.

Eph. 5:13

THE "light" is consciousness. Consciousness is one, manifesting in legions of forms or levels of consciousness. There is no one that is not all that is, for consciousness, though expressed in an infinite series of levels, is not divisional. There is no real separation or gap in consciousness. I AM cannot be divided. I may conceive myself to be a rich man, a poor man, a beggar man or a thief, but the center of my being remains the same regardless of the concept I hold of myself. At the center of manifestation there is only one I AM manifesting in legions of forms or concepts of itself and "I am that I am."
I AM is the self-definition of the absolute, the foundation on which everything rests. I AM is the first cause-substance. I AM is the self-definition of God.
I AM hath sent me unto you.
I AM THAT I AM.
Be still and know that I AM God.

[... .]

http://archive.org/stream/ThePowerOfAwareness/Neville_ThePowerOfAwareness_djvu.txt

http://ia600202.us.archive.org/11/items/ThePowerOfAwareness/Neville_ThePowerOfAwareness.pdf

Based on: The Power of Awareness, Copyright © 1952 by Neville - Revised Edition Copyright © 1992 by Victoria Goddard, pp. 2-4.


[...]

"I AM is a feeling of permanent awareness. This feeling is the very center of consciousness and is the feeling of the ITness. I may forget who I am, where I am, what I am, but I cannot forget that I AM IT, WHO IS. The awareness of Being remains regardless of the degree of forgetfulness as to who, where, and what I am.
"The SUGMAD is that which, amid unnumbered forms, is ever the same. The great discovery of cause reveals that, good or bad, man is actually the arbiter of his own fate, and that it is his own concept of himself that determines the world in which he lives. In other words, if you are experiencing ill health, knowing the truth about cause, you cannot attribute the illness to anything other than the particular arrangement of the basic cause-substance, an arrangement which is defined by your concept of it.
"This is why I told you before, 'Let the weak man say, "I am strong." 'Because of his assumption, the cause-substance of I AM is rearranged and must therefore manifest that which its rearrangement affirms. This principle governs every aspect of our life, be it social, intellectual, or spiritual.

[... .]

Based on: The Key to ECKANKAR, by Paul Twitchell, Copyright 1968, 1985 - ECKANKAR, Fourth Printing - 1985, p. 5.

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[...]

I AM is a feeling of permanent awareness. The very center of consciousness is the feeling of I AM. I may forget who I am, where I am, what I am but I cannot forget that I AM. The awareness of being remains, regardless of the degree of forgetfulness of who, where, and what I am.

I AM is that which, amid unnumbered forms is ever the same. This great discovery of cause reveals that, good or bad, man is actually the arbiter of his own fate, and that it is his concept of himself that determmes the world in which he lives [and his concept of himself is his reactions to life]* In other words. If you are experiencing ill health, knowing the truth about cause, you cannot attribute the illness to anything other than to the particular arrangement of the basic cause-substance, an arrangement which [was produced by your reactions to life, and] is defined by your concept "I am unwell." This is why you are told "Let the weak man say, 'I am strong' " (Joel 3:10), for by his assumption, the cause-substance -- I AM -- is rearranged and must, therefore, manifest that which its rearrangement affirms. This principle governs every aspect of your life, be it social, financial, intellectual, or spiritual. [... .]


http://archive.org/stream/ThePowerOfAwareness/Neville_ThePowerOfAwareness_djvu.txt

http://ia600202.us.archive.org/11/items/ThePowerOfAwareness/Neville_ThePowerOfAwareness.pdf

Based on: The Power of Awareness, Copyright (c) 1952 by Neville - Revised Edition Copyright (c) 1992 by Victoria Goddard, pp. 2-4.
Etznab
2015-06-25 21:45:41 UTC
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Post by Etznab
(1) The Power of Awareness, Copyright © 1952 by Neville Goddard
http://archive.org/stream/ThePowerOfAwareness/Neville_ThePowerOfAwareness_djvu.txt
http://ia600202.us.archive.org/11/items/ThePowerOfAwareness/Neville_ThePowerOfAwareness.pdf
(2) Old Ugly Face, first published in 1940 by Talbot Mundy
(3) Practicing The Presence, Copyright 1958 by Joel S. Goldsmith
http://www.scribd.com/doc/218780789/82916572-Practicing-the-Presence-of-God-Joel-S-Goldsmith-1
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Take a look at the following threads containing illustrated comparisons and judge for yourself.
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups&hl=en#!searchin/alt.religion.eckankar/Eckankar$20Quotes/alt.religion.eckankar/flfUQLhMzNA/-P1JcvhxWlkJ
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups&hl=en#!topic/alt.religion.eckankar/c382wI9NoIY
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups&hl=en#!topic/alt.religion.eckankar/OB416Fe7BmA
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups&hl=en#!topic/alt.religion.eckankar/C6u9t1O-MpE
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Talbot Mundy, William Neville, Joel S. Goldsmith or Rebazar Tarzs?

At least three Letters to Gail evidently copied from Goldsmith's writings. Much of the text verbatim! (see last link previous post). So, even before The Key to Eckankar book, Paul Twitchell had evidently already established a habit of using teachings from Goldsmith. So when all of a sudden Paul starts having Rebazar Tarzs (in TKTE book) plagiarizing Mundy, Neville and Goldsmith ... What does this prove?

Imho it proves that somebody included the name Rebazar Tarzs when they copied from the works of others and somebody credited Rebazar Tarzs instead of Mundy, Neville and Goldsmith; at least.

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I think it vital to establish what was actually said, communicated by Rebazar Tarzs and what was not.

One reason, among others, is that people's imaginations and astral entities, etc., could use the image and character of Rebazar Tarzs (created by Paul Twitchell and Eckankar) for various purposes; not all being necessarily benign.
Etznab
2015-06-25 21:59:33 UTC
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Post by Etznab
(1) The Power of Awareness, Copyright © 1952 by Neville Goddard
http://archive.org/stream/ThePowerOfAwareness/Neville_ThePowerOfAwareness_djvu.txt
http://ia600202.us.archive.org/11/items/ThePowerOfAwareness/Neville_ThePowerOfAwareness.pdf
(2) Old Ugly Face, first published in 1940 by Talbot Mundy
(3) Practicing The Presence, Copyright 1958 by Joel S. Goldsmith
http://www.scribd.com/doc/218780789/82916572-Practicing-the-Presence-of-God-Joel-S-Goldsmith-1
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Take a look at the following threads containing illustrated comparisons and judge for yourself.
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups&hl=en#!searchin/alt.religion.eckankar/Eckankar$20Quotes/alt.religion.eckankar/flfUQLhMzNA/-P1JcvhxWlkJ
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups&hl=en#!topic/alt.religion.eckankar/c382wI9NoIY
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups&hl=en#!topic/alt.religion.eckankar/OB416Fe7BmA
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups&hl=en#!topic/alt.religion.eckankar/C6u9t1O-MpE
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Add your comments here.
Talbot Mundy, William Neville, Joel S. Goldsmith or Rebazar Tarzs?
At least three Letters to Gail evidently copied from Goldsmith's writings. Much of the text verbatim! (see last link previous post). So, even before The Key to Eckankar book, Paul Twitchell had evidently already established a habit of using teachings from Goldsmith. So when all of a sudden Paul starts having Rebazar Tarzs (in TKTE book) plagiarizing Mundy, Neville and Goldsmith ... What does this prove?
Imho it proves that somebody included the name Rebazar Tarzs when they copied from the works of others and somebody credited Rebazar Tarzs instead of Mundy, Neville and Goldsmith; at least.
***
I think it vital to establish what was actually said, communicated by Rebazar Tarzs and what was not.
One reason, among others, is that people's imaginations and astral entities, etc., could use the image and character of Rebazar Tarzs (created by Paul Twitchell and Eckankar) for various purposes; not all being necessarily benign.
... One reason, among others, is that people's imaginations and astral entities, etc., could use the image and character of Rebazar Tarzs (created by Paul Twitchell and Eckankar) for various purposes; not all being necessarily benign. And if Rebazar Tarzs was never a real person, but a literary device (whatever) it makes matters worse with regard to the image being used (as it is, has been and continues to be by Eckankar spin-off paths and / or other New Age groups.

As an Eckist, I personally do not want to endorse many confirmed lies and plagiarisms as if to add to an ongoing growth of pseudo history and religion. Neither do I believe that Eckankar, or the Living Eck Master, expects many people to wear blinders with regard to new evidences coming out; as if the organization matters more than people having, discussing and sharing the actual truth.

To favor fictions and lies instead of truth is no longer cool, imho. Whatever people care to present as evidence of a real Rebazar Tarzs I say let them bring it (no imaginations and astral entities allowed). Let them prove that Rebazar Tarzs was / is a real vital spiritual being.

Imposters will be dealt with accordingly. +++
Kinpa
2015-06-25 22:25:17 UTC
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(1) The Power of Awareness, Copyright © 1952 by Neville Goddard
http://archive.org/stream/ThePowerOfAwareness/Neville_ThePowerOfAwareness_djvu.txt
http://ia600202.us.archive.org/11/items/ThePowerOfAwareness/Neville_ThePowerOfAwareness.pdf
(2) Old Ugly Face, first published in 1940 by Talbot Mundy
(3) Practicing The Presence, Copyright 1958 by Joel S. Goldsmith
http://www.scribd.com/doc/218780789/82916572-Practicing-the-Presence-of-God-Joel-S-Goldsmith-1
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Take a look at the following threads containing illustrated comparisons and judge for yourself.
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups&hl=en#!searchin/alt.religion.eckankar/Eckankar$20Quotes/alt.religion.eckankar/flfUQLhMzNA/-P1JcvhxWlkJ
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups&hl=en#!topic/alt.religion.eckankar/c382wI9NoIY
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups&hl=en#!topic/alt.religion.eckankar/OB416Fe7BmA
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups&hl=en#!topic/alt.religion.eckankar/C6u9t1O-MpE
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Add your comments here.
Talbot Mundy, William Neville, Joel S. Goldsmith or Rebazar Tarzs?
At least three Letters to Gail evidently copied from Goldsmith's writings. Much of the text verbatim! (see last link previous post). So, even before The Key to Eckankar book, Paul Twitchell had evidently already established a habit of using teachings from Goldsmith. So when all of a sudden Paul starts having Rebazar Tarzs (in TKTE book) plagiarizing Mundy, Neville and Goldsmith ... What does this prove?
Imho it proves that somebody included the name Rebazar Tarzs when they copied from the works of others and somebody credited Rebazar Tarzs instead of Mundy, Neville and Goldsmith; at least.
***
I think it vital to establish what was actually said, communicated by Rebazar Tarzs and what was not.
One reason, among others, is that people's imaginations and astral entities, etc., could use the image and character of Rebazar Tarzs (created by Paul Twitchell and Eckankar) for various purposes; not all being necessarily benign.
... One reason, among others, is that people's imaginations and astral entities, etc., could use the image and character of Rebazar Tarzs (created by Paul Twitchell and Eckankar) for various purposes; not all being necessarily benign. And if Rebazar Tarzs was never a real person, but a literary device (whatever) it makes matters worse with regard to the image being used (as it is, has been and continues to be by Eckankar spin-off paths and / or other New Age groups.
As an Eckist, I personally do not want to endorse many confirmed lies and plagiarisms as if to add to an ongoing growth of pseudo history and religion. Neither do I believe that Eckankar, or the Living Eck Master, expects many people to wear blinders with regard to new evidences coming out; as if the organization matters more than people having, discussing and sharing the actual truth.
To favor fictions and lies instead of truth is no longer cool, imho. Whatever people care to present as evidence of a real Rebazar Tarzs I say let them bring it (no imaginations and astral entities allowed). Let them prove that Rebazar Tarzs was / is a real vital spiritual being.
Imposters will be dealt with accordingly. +++
And how do you intend to be able to deal with any? You insist that his existence should be proven to you....no free rides there son, do the INNER work. No one OWES you anything. You are no ECKist...paying membership donations can't make you one. Paul died. It's a non-issue now.
Etznab
2015-06-25 22:47:51 UTC
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Post by Etznab
Post by Etznab
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(1) The Power of Awareness, Copyright © 1952 by Neville Goddard
http://archive.org/stream/ThePowerOfAwareness/Neville_ThePowerOfAwareness_djvu.txt
http://ia600202.us.archive.org/11/items/ThePowerOfAwareness/Neville_ThePowerOfAwareness.pdf
(2) Old Ugly Face, first published in 1940 by Talbot Mundy
(3) Practicing The Presence, Copyright 1958 by Joel S. Goldsmith
http://www.scribd.com/doc/218780789/82916572-Practicing-the-Presence-of-God-Joel-S-Goldsmith-1
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Take a look at the following threads containing illustrated comparisons and judge for yourself.
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups&hl=en#!searchin/alt.religion.eckankar/Eckankar$20Quotes/alt.religion.eckankar/flfUQLhMzNA/-P1JcvhxWlkJ
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups&hl=en#!topic/alt.religion.eckankar/c382wI9NoIY
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups&hl=en#!topic/alt.religion.eckankar/OB416Fe7BmA
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups&hl=en#!topic/alt.religion.eckankar/C6u9t1O-MpE
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Add your comments here.
Talbot Mundy, William Neville, Joel S. Goldsmith or Rebazar Tarzs?
At least three Letters to Gail evidently copied from Goldsmith's writings. Much of the text verbatim! (see last link previous post). So, even before The Key to Eckankar book, Paul Twitchell had evidently already established a habit of using teachings from Goldsmith. So when all of a sudden Paul starts having Rebazar Tarzs (in TKTE book) plagiarizing Mundy, Neville and Goldsmith ... What does this prove?
Imho it proves that somebody included the name Rebazar Tarzs when they copied from the works of others and somebody credited Rebazar Tarzs instead of Mundy, Neville and Goldsmith; at least.
***
I think it vital to establish what was actually said, communicated by Rebazar Tarzs and what was not.
One reason, among others, is that people's imaginations and astral entities, etc., could use the image and character of Rebazar Tarzs (created by Paul Twitchell and Eckankar) for various purposes; not all being necessarily benign.
... One reason, among others, is that people's imaginations and astral entities, etc., could use the image and character of Rebazar Tarzs (created by Paul Twitchell and Eckankar) for various purposes; not all being necessarily benign. And if Rebazar Tarzs was never a real person, but a literary device (whatever) it makes matters worse with regard to the image being used (as it is, has been and continues to be by Eckankar spin-off paths and / or other New Age groups.
As an Eckist, I personally do not want to endorse many confirmed lies and plagiarisms as if to add to an ongoing growth of pseudo history and religion. Neither do I believe that Eckankar, or the Living Eck Master, expects many people to wear blinders with regard to new evidences coming out; as if the organization matters more than people having, discussing and sharing the actual truth.
To favor fictions and lies instead of truth is no longer cool, imho. Whatever people care to present as evidence of a real Rebazar Tarzs I say let them bring it (no imaginations and astral entities allowed). Let them prove that Rebazar Tarzs was / is a real vital spiritual being.
Imposters will be dealt with accordingly. +++
And how do you intend to be able to deal with any? You insist that his existence should be proven to you....no free rides there son, do the INNER work. No one OWES you anything. You are no ECKist...paying membership donations can't make you one. Paul died. It's a non-issue now.
Kinpa: "And how do you intend to be able to deal with any?"

Etznab: "Were you referring to imposters? Please clarify."

Kinpa: "You insist that his existence should be proven to you....no free rides there son, do the INNER work."

Etznab: "Yes. I do insist. Can you prove to me he was / is real?"

Kinpa: "You are no ECKist...paying membership donations can't make you one."

Etznab: "I've heard this kind of communication before. Remember, I've been at a.r.e. for many years. Besides, Kinpa, it's not up to you and is not your decision whether I am a member. I think you should try to communicate with more respect and try acting a little more mature. You can begin by responding to this post. Pretend that you are in Satsang. Thank you."
Kinpa
2015-06-25 23:37:14 UTC
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(1) The Power of Awareness, Copyright © 1952 by Neville Goddard
http://archive.org/stream/ThePowerOfAwareness/Neville_ThePowerOfAwareness_djvu.txt
http://ia600202.us.archive.org/11/items/ThePowerOfAwareness/Neville_ThePowerOfAwareness.pdf
(2) Old Ugly Face, first published in 1940 by Talbot Mundy
(3) Practicing The Presence, Copyright 1958 by Joel S. Goldsmith
http://www.scribd.com/doc/218780789/82916572-Practicing-the-Presence-of-God-Joel-S-Goldsmith-1
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Take a look at the following threads containing illustrated comparisons and judge for yourself.
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups&hl=en#!searchin/alt.religion.eckankar/Eckankar$20Quotes/alt.religion.eckankar/flfUQLhMzNA/-P1JcvhxWlkJ
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups&hl=en#!topic/alt.religion.eckankar/c382wI9NoIY
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups&hl=en#!topic/alt.religion.eckankar/OB416Fe7BmA
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups&hl=en#!topic/alt.religion.eckankar/C6u9t1O-MpE
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Add your comments here.
Talbot Mundy, William Neville, Joel S. Goldsmith or Rebazar Tarzs?
At least three Letters to Gail evidently copied from Goldsmith's writings. Much of the text verbatim! (see last link previous post). So, even before The Key to Eckankar book, Paul Twitchell had evidently already established a habit of using teachings from Goldsmith. So when all of a sudden Paul starts having Rebazar Tarzs (in TKTE book) plagiarizing Mundy, Neville and Goldsmith ... What does this prove?
Imho it proves that somebody included the name Rebazar Tarzs when they copied from the works of others and somebody credited Rebazar Tarzs instead of Mundy, Neville and Goldsmith; at least.
***
I think it vital to establish what was actually said, communicated by Rebazar Tarzs and what was not.
One reason, among others, is that people's imaginations and astral entities, etc., could use the image and character of Rebazar Tarzs (created by Paul Twitchell and Eckankar) for various purposes; not all being necessarily benign.
... One reason, among others, is that people's imaginations and astral entities, etc., could use the image and character of Rebazar Tarzs (created by Paul Twitchell and Eckankar) for various purposes; not all being necessarily benign. And if Rebazar Tarzs was never a real person, but a literary device (whatever) it makes matters worse with regard to the image being used (as it is, has been and continues to be by Eckankar spin-off paths and / or other New Age groups.
As an Eckist, I personally do not want to endorse many confirmed lies and plagiarisms as if to add to an ongoing growth of pseudo history and religion. Neither do I believe that Eckankar, or the Living Eck Master, expects many people to wear blinders with regard to new evidences coming out; as if the organization matters more than people having, discussing and sharing the actual truth.
To favor fictions and lies instead of truth is no longer cool, imho. Whatever people care to present as evidence of a real Rebazar Tarzs I say let them bring it (no imaginations and astral entities allowed). Let them prove that Rebazar Tarzs was / is a real vital spiritual being.
Imposters will be dealt with accordingly. +++
And how do you intend to be able to deal with any? You insist that his existence should be proven to you....no free rides there son, do the INNER work. No one OWES you anything. You are no ECKist...paying membership donations can't make you one. Paul died. It's a non-issue now.
Kinpa: "And how do you intend to be able to deal with any?"
Etznab: "Were you referring to imposters? Please clarify."
Kinpa: "You insist that his existence should be proven to you....no free rides there son, do the INNER work."
Etznab: "Yes. I do insist. Can you prove to me he was / is real?"
Kinpa: "You are no ECKist...paying membership donations can't make you one."
Etznab: "I've heard this kind of communication before. Remember, I've been at a.r.e. for many years. Besides, Kinpa, it's not up to you and is not your decision whether I am a member. I think you should try to communicate with more respect and try acting a little more mature. You can begin by responding to this post. Pretend that you are in Satsang. Thank you."
Sounds like excuses to me...can't answer any questions other than your demands? What you really are, or are not, is made very clear by your words...I don't need to decide concerning you, for you decided long ago and it is self-evident, you just don't like it when I am right...no matter, things will resolve themselves the same way, regardless of my words or yours. The difference is, that I already know this. You can joust as many windmills as it takes to tickle your fancy, but you will still not accomplish your goals...you know? The one you and sean were bragging about?
Henosis Sage
2015-06-26 00:57:14 UTC
Permalink
On Friday, 26 June 2015 09:37:15 UTC+10, Kinpa wrote:

GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY SPACE NOW

"In Eckankar we refer to this as the Law of Non-Interference,
which states " Anyone who uses any means of change or
influence on another's mind, including prayer, is violating a
LAW of spiritual consciousness." *

"A person's space is no different than a home owned by one,
no one can enter it unless first invited or allowed by the owner,
and any who enter under any other circumstance, is a CRIMINAL."

Copied, plagiarised, written by KINPA aka Matt Sharpe
aka A Compulsive Lying Manipulator & Abuser & a
Delusional Psychotic Dishonest Nutcase and Idiot!!!

3. Psychic Space and the Law of Non-Interference (c) 2014 - Matt Sharpe
(via the Light Force Network ...)

One thing that can often make for problematic situations amongst groups of people is the idea of, or lack of, recognized psychic space by which is meant the emotional and varying mental aspects of space, both on the inner planes and relating states of consciousness, as well as the inner states of every human being in the Physical Realm. The boundaries of these are often not recognized or shared between any group in particular, and that only becomes harder between different groups of people, one often refusing to respect the space and freedom of choice, as well as the basic right to make a choice of any other. In Eckankar we refer to this as the Law of Non-Interference, which states " Anyone who uses any means of change or influence on another's mind, including prayer, is violating a law of spiritual consciousness." *

A person's space is no different than a home owned by one, no one can enter it unless first invited or allowed by the owner, and any who enter under any other circumstance, is a criminal. And this works to the same extent in reverse. It can be said that a person's space extends right out to the point where another's begins. Any individual who is minding their own business, and is not stepping out into another's, may do as they see fit, so long as it harms no other. A situation where a person wants another to do a thing that they have said no to, who then proceeds to attempt to talk the person into doing that thing, is quite literally attempting mind control. There are no exceptions within that framework. Not many would recognize such a simple, everyday situation such as that as being an attempt at mind control until it is done to themselves, where it suddenly becomes far more obvious.

One who has perceptive "gifts", that can perceive more deeply than the average person must also be very careful not to invade another's space without first gaining permission. While they might well have a flow of information incoming that can be turned off, also if one hasn't yet learned how to do that, the very least they can do is be respectful and remain silent. Not everything that comes in necessarily needs to be said aloud. This is often a matter of self-control, and if one says something that causes a disturbance, they may find themselves rightfully to blame for that.

In any such case where one's psychic space has been invaded, there will always be a karmic debt incurred. This is simply another way of saying that that individual that used the invasive behavior has chosen to learn the principles of the lesson in a harder way, one that is generally referred to as "bad" karma. When this happens, the individual themselves have made and are responsible for, the choice that brought the karma into being. Because of this, they and they alone can re-balance the scales, and in every case, the way this occurs is by completing the cycle of karma and learning the lesson, also putting into being a more evolved choice which proves the lesson has indeed been learned. Thenceforth the individual can recognize the same circumstances in a great many situations and have better options to deal with them and by doing that, avoid a cycle of repeating the same mistakes.

Where the psychic space of others and the Law of Non-Interference are concerned, the Golden Rule definitely applies: "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." And after applying the Law of Karma to it, one might add to the quote: "Because they WILL!" Those that consistently indulge themselves in following a double standard will undoubtedly find that karmic law is very detailed and accurate. It cannot be dodged or outrun, and it never falls victim to trickery and cannot be deceived.

A thing as simple as talking someone into something, is nothing less than an attempt at mind control as well as an invasion of another's space that might not seem so obvious at first glance. The fact that a person needs to be talked into a thing denotes that they are not willing to engage in it to begin with, and thus, an attempt to change that person's decision is invasive. Many have no idea of this fact. It is no different when a child seeks to talk a parent into giving them a liberty they might otherwise not have available to them, however, in such a case generally no grudge is held and rightly so, however, after a certain age, such things will most often no longer be tolerated. It lasts as long as does that child's cuteness, and is outgrown quickly.

One aspect of "space" in general that isn't often considered at all is whether or not a person is extending their own space outward to include things they would rather not include or be affected by. Often this can be causing a reaction unconsciously for one. A thing one had never thought of as having any effect on them can be having an unknown effect that isn't so easily recognized by all. It pays to become aware of all of the things one's attention is extended to include. Some of the time problems can actually be drawn towards ourselves by ourselves acting in an unconscious way. What I mean is that we don't always realize the true effect a thing might have upon us, so that we continue onward never realizing that a thing we have extended our attention in some way out to include might have a negative effect upon us, and the only way to remove that is to become aware of it, and removing our attention and thus our state of consciousness away from it, and in this way becoming better aware of the true effect a thing can have in this way, so that we can look out for this happening again. For example, one might think something not so nice or considerate about a friend, based on a prejudicial attitude one some aspect of that person's life, one which is completely within their rights to have. By not having been aware of in the first place, our mistake in judgment, and in the second place, the effect of said judgment, we can bring negativity into our purview that we would rather not have to deal with.

In this case a more honest and complete view of the self is needed, as well as the development of a less judgmental view of others and the choices some might make. Nothing less than adapting in this way will begin chipping away at the formation of a less than advantageous point of view of others. It is generally not a terrible way of looking at a situation, by placing ourselves in that other's position so as to gain a notion of what it would be like were positions reversed. This can go far for developing degrees of consideration that may not have been so easily come by before then.

The idea of psychic space is on one hand a very familiar concept to some, but on the other hand, almost unheard or thought of by many others, and because of this the rules regarding it are often unclear to many. Healing of any sort is a thing that falls very much within the area of an individual's space, and stands at risk to be possibly invaded by those unaware of the limits of their own free will, which are of course up to the point at which another's space begins. Any average doctor would never begin medical treatment until any potential patient came to them willingly, seeking medical help. This obvious situation is many times much less obvious in the area of psychic or spiritual healers, and most often this is the specific area where invasions occur.

This area shares a considerable amount with various religious groups that proselytize. If one hasn't actually asked or expressed interest in the "help" it simply cannot be given to a person, especially under the guise of doing a thing deemed (by another) to be for their own best interests. A happy Muslim isn't likely to enjoy having Jehova's Witnesses coming to their door weekly attempting to "save" them by convincing them to change their religion. In the very same way any healer will find it not only impossible to heal a person that hasn't yet asked to be healed, but also that if they go forward uninvited with such an action, there will be a heavy karmic burden to bear. These things, regardless of motivation, break spiritual law and bear a karmic price.

And on the positive side of this, if a person is unwell and asks for a healing, or for further infprmation on a different spiritual path than the one they had been on, an interested person can certainly offer aid and information that they might have the capacity to perform. And the very same standard applies to inner spiritual teachings, one who considers themselves, or is considered by others to be a teacher, and who actually has the ability to channel spiritual teachings and experience to a student, cannot ever do so without first asking permission, or being invited to do so, this is a part of the Law of Non-Interference, the same law governs all three of those various but similar circumstances.

[ end quote ]

ETZNAB SAYS:
Kinpa suggests I don't drink too much and then comments about most of my friends.

"do the research Richard....and do be sure not to drink too much tonite...most of your friends are quite the bunch of lushes ;) but you know that do you not?"
When you take your screenshots, Kinpa, be sure to include my growing list of your behavior.

Not only did you come into a.r.e. insulting people, but you got personal and did so even when others were not doing those kind of things to you.

You know my friends, Kinpa? What then was the meaning of those remarks? And when you mentioned "drink", What sort of drink were you referring to?

Lots of stuff you spouted out I let go over the months. And because I remember having had decent and interesting conversations with you in the past. However, your intent to defame appears to be not only constant, but growing in intensity with time.
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/6i8G_MyOEUs/pEnu02uXkl4J
YES MATT SHARPE - KINPA IS A MONGREL DOG BUT GREAT FRIENDS WITH LONI HAAS OF GEORGIA & WWW.LIGHTFORCENETWORK.COM - HE WILL SAY AND HAS SAID ANYTHING HE WANTS ABOUT OTHERS NO MATTER HOW FALSE OFFENSIVE UNTRUE OR DISHONEST HE IS
MATT SHARPE THINKS HE IS SO IMPORTANT - AND ABOVE EVERYONE ELSE - THAT HE CAN BULLY OTHERS ONLINE TO DO AND ACT AND THINK WHAT HE WANTS THEM TO - WHICH TO SHUT UP ABOUT PLAGIARISM AND THE FALSEHOODS IN ECKANKAR -
MATT SHARPE KINPA IS A LYING LOW-LIFE DEFAMER & SLANDERER WHO CANNOT BE TRUSTED -
HE IS A PROVEN LIAR, DELUSIONAL, PSYCHOTIC, A PLAGIARISER, A COPYRIGHT PIRATE AND PIECE OF DOG SHIT - BE WARNED
Etznab
2015-06-26 02:21:21 UTC
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Post by Kinpa
Post by Etznab
Post by Kinpa
Post by Etznab
Post by Etznab
Post by Etznab
(1) The Power of Awareness, Copyright © 1952 by Neville Goddard
http://archive.org/stream/ThePowerOfAwareness/Neville_ThePowerOfAwareness_djvu.txt
http://ia600202.us.archive.org/11/items/ThePowerOfAwareness/Neville_ThePowerOfAwareness.pdf
(2) Old Ugly Face, first published in 1940 by Talbot Mundy
(3) Practicing The Presence, Copyright 1958 by Joel S. Goldsmith
http://www.scribd.com/doc/218780789/82916572-Practicing-the-Presence-of-God-Joel-S-Goldsmith-1
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Take a look at the following threads containing illustrated comparisons and judge for yourself.
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups&hl=en#!searchin/alt.religion.eckankar/Eckankar$20Quotes/alt.religion.eckankar/flfUQLhMzNA/-P1JcvhxWlkJ
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups&hl=en#!topic/alt.religion.eckankar/c382wI9NoIY
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups&hl=en#!topic/alt.religion.eckankar/OB416Fe7BmA
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups&hl=en#!topic/alt.religion.eckankar/C6u9t1O-MpE
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Add your comments here.
Talbot Mundy, William Neville, Joel S. Goldsmith or Rebazar Tarzs?
At least three Letters to Gail evidently copied from Goldsmith's writings. Much of the text verbatim! (see last link previous post). So, even before The Key to Eckankar book, Paul Twitchell had evidently already established a habit of using teachings from Goldsmith. So when all of a sudden Paul starts having Rebazar Tarzs (in TKTE book) plagiarizing Mundy, Neville and Goldsmith ... What does this prove?
Imho it proves that somebody included the name Rebazar Tarzs when they copied from the works of others and somebody credited Rebazar Tarzs instead of Mundy, Neville and Goldsmith; at least.
***
I think it vital to establish what was actually said, communicated by Rebazar Tarzs and what was not.
One reason, among others, is that people's imaginations and astral entities, etc., could use the image and character of Rebazar Tarzs (created by Paul Twitchell and Eckankar) for various purposes; not all being necessarily benign.
... One reason, among others, is that people's imaginations and astral entities, etc., could use the image and character of Rebazar Tarzs (created by Paul Twitchell and Eckankar) for various purposes; not all being necessarily benign. And if Rebazar Tarzs was never a real person, but a literary device (whatever) it makes matters worse with regard to the image being used (as it is, has been and continues to be by Eckankar spin-off paths and / or other New Age groups.
As an Eckist, I personally do not want to endorse many confirmed lies and plagiarisms as if to add to an ongoing growth of pseudo history and religion. Neither do I believe that Eckankar, or the Living Eck Master, expects many people to wear blinders with regard to new evidences coming out; as if the organization matters more than people having, discussing and sharing the actual truth.
To favor fictions and lies instead of truth is no longer cool, imho. Whatever people care to present as evidence of a real Rebazar Tarzs I say let them bring it (no imaginations and astral entities allowed). Let them prove that Rebazar Tarzs was / is a real vital spiritual being.
Imposters will be dealt with accordingly. +++
And how do you intend to be able to deal with any? You insist that his existence should be proven to you....no free rides there son, do the INNER work. No one OWES you anything. You are no ECKist...paying membership donations can't make you one. Paul died. It's a non-issue now.
Kinpa: "And how do you intend to be able to deal with any?"
Etznab: "Were you referring to imposters? Please clarify."
Kinpa: "You insist that his existence should be proven to you....no free rides there son, do the INNER work."
Etznab: "Yes. I do insist. Can you prove to me he was / is real?"
Kinpa: "You are no ECKist...paying membership donations can't make you one."
Etznab: "I've heard this kind of communication before. Remember, I've been at a.r.e. for many years. Besides, Kinpa, it's not up to you and is not your decision whether I am a member. I think you should try to communicate with more respect and try acting a little more mature. You can begin by responding to this post. Pretend that you are in Satsang. Thank you."
Sounds like excuses to me...can't answer any questions other than your demands? What you really are, or are not, is made very clear by your words...I don't need to decide concerning you, for you decided long ago and it is self-evident, you just don't like it when I am right...no matter, things will resolve themselves the same way, regardless of my words or yours. The difference is, that I already know this. You can joust as many windmills as it takes to tickle your fancy, but you will still not accomplish your goals...you know? The one you and sean were bragging about?
You didn't answer.
Henosis Sage
2015-06-26 00:56:56 UTC
Permalink
On Friday, 26 June 2015 08:25:17 UTC+10, Kinpa wrote:


GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY SPACE NOW

"In Eckankar we refer to this as the Law of Non-Interference,
which states " Anyone who uses any means of change or
influence on another's mind, including prayer, is violating a
LAW of spiritual consciousness." *

"A person's space is no different than a home owned by one,
no one can enter it unless first invited or allowed by the owner,
and any who enter under any other circumstance, is a CRIMINAL."

Copied, plagiarised, written by KINPA aka Matt Sharpe
aka A Compulsive Lying Manipulator & Abuser & a
Delusional Psychotic Dishonest Nutcase and Idiot!!!

3. Psychic Space and the Law of Non-Interference (c) 2014 - Matt Sharpe
(via the Light Force Network ...)

One thing that can often make for problematic situations amongst groups of people is the idea of, or lack of, recognized psychic space by which is meant the emotional and varying mental aspects of space, both on the inner planes and relating states of consciousness, as well as the inner states of every human being in the Physical Realm. The boundaries of these are often not recognized or shared between any group in particular, and that only becomes harder between different groups of people, one often refusing to respect the space and freedom of choice, as well as the basic right to make a choice of any other. In Eckankar we refer to this as the Law of Non-Interference, which states " Anyone who uses any means of change or influence on another's mind, including prayer, is violating a law of spiritual consciousness." *

A person's space is no different than a home owned by one, no one can enter it unless first invited or allowed by the owner, and any who enter under any other circumstance, is a criminal. And this works to the same extent in reverse. It can be said that a person's space extends right out to the point where another's begins. Any individual who is minding their own business, and is not stepping out into another's, may do as they see fit, so long as it harms no other. A situation where a person wants another to do a thing that they have said no to, who then proceeds to attempt to talk the person into doing that thing, is quite literally attempting mind control. There are no exceptions within that framework. Not many would recognize such a simple, everyday situation such as that as being an attempt at mind control until it is done to themselves, where it suddenly becomes far more obvious.

One who has perceptive "gifts", that can perceive more deeply than the average person must also be very careful not to invade another's space without first gaining permission. While they might well have a flow of information incoming that can be turned off, also if one hasn't yet learned how to do that, the very least they can do is be respectful and remain silent. Not everything that comes in necessarily needs to be said aloud. This is often a matter of self-control, and if one says something that causes a disturbance, they may find themselves rightfully to blame for that.

In any such case where one's psychic space has been invaded, there will always be a karmic debt incurred. This is simply another way of saying that that individual that used the invasive behavior has chosen to learn the principles of the lesson in a harder way, one that is generally referred to as "bad" karma. When this happens, the individual themselves have made and are responsible for, the choice that brought the karma into being. Because of this, they and they alone can re-balance the scales, and in every case, the way this occurs is by completing the cycle of karma and learning the lesson, also putting into being a more evolved choice which proves the lesson has indeed been learned. Thenceforth the individual can recognize the same circumstances in a great many situations and have better options to deal with them and by doing that, avoid a cycle of repeating the same mistakes.

Where the psychic space of others and the Law of Non-Interference are concerned, the Golden Rule definitely applies: "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." And after applying the Law of Karma to it, one might add to the quote: "Because they WILL!" Those that consistently indulge themselves in following a double standard will undoubtedly find that karmic law is very detailed and accurate. It cannot be dodged or outrun, and it never falls victim to trickery and cannot be deceived.

A thing as simple as talking someone into something, is nothing less than an attempt at mind control as well as an invasion of another's space that might not seem so obvious at first glance. The fact that a person needs to be talked into a thing denotes that they are not willing to engage in it to begin with, and thus, an attempt to change that person's decision is invasive. Many have no idea of this fact. It is no different when a child seeks to talk a parent into giving them a liberty they might otherwise not have available to them, however, in such a case generally no grudge is held and rightly so, however, after a certain age, such things will most often no longer be tolerated. It lasts as long as does that child's cuteness, and is outgrown quickly.

One aspect of "space" in general that isn't often considered at all is whether or not a person is extending their own space outward to include things they would rather not include or be affected by. Often this can be causing a reaction unconsciously for one. A thing one had never thought of as having any effect on them can be having an unknown effect that isn't so easily recognized by all. It pays to become aware of all of the things one's attention is extended to include. Some of the time problems can actually be drawn towards ourselves by ourselves acting in an unconscious way. What I mean is that we don't always realize the true effect a thing might have upon us, so that we continue onward never realizing that a thing we have extended our attention in some way out to include might have a negative effect upon us, and the only way to remove that is to become aware of it, and removing our attention and thus our state of consciousness away from it, and in this way becoming better aware of the true effect a thing can have in this way, so that we can look out for this happening again. For example, one might think something not so nice or considerate about a friend, based on a prejudicial attitude one some aspect of that person's life, one which is completely within their rights to have. By not having been aware of in the first place, our mistake in judgment, and in the second place, the effect of said judgment, we can bring negativity into our purview that we would rather not have to deal with.

In this case a more honest and complete view of the self is needed, as well as the development of a less judgmental view of others and the choices some might make. Nothing less than adapting in this way will begin chipping away at the formation of a less than advantageous point of view of others. It is generally not a terrible way of looking at a situation, by placing ourselves in that other's position so as to gain a notion of what it would be like were positions reversed. This can go far for developing degrees of consideration that may not have been so easily come by before then.

The idea of psychic space is on one hand a very familiar concept to some, but on the other hand, almost unheard or thought of by many others, and because of this the rules regarding it are often unclear to many. Healing of any sort is a thing that falls very much within the area of an individual's space, and stands at risk to be possibly invaded by those unaware of the limits of their own free will, which are of course up to the point at which another's space begins. Any average doctor would never begin medical treatment until any potential patient came to them willingly, seeking medical help. This obvious situation is many times much less obvious in the area of psychic or spiritual healers, and most often this is the specific area where invasions occur.

This area shares a considerable amount with various religious groups that proselytize. If one hasn't actually asked or expressed interest in the "help" it simply cannot be given to a person, especially under the guise of doing a thing deemed (by another) to be for their own best interests. A happy Muslim isn't likely to enjoy having Jehova's Witnesses coming to their door weekly attempting to "save" them by convincing them to change their religion. In the very same way any healer will find it not only impossible to heal a person that hasn't yet asked to be healed, but also that if they go forward uninvited with such an action, there will be a heavy karmic burden to bear. These things, regardless of motivation, break spiritual law and bear a karmic price.

And on the positive side of this, if a person is unwell and asks for a healing, or for further infprmation on a different spiritual path than the one they had been on, an interested person can certainly offer aid and information that they might have the capacity to perform. And the very same standard applies to inner spiritual teachings, one who considers themselves, or is considered by others to be a teacher, and who actually has the ability to channel spiritual teachings and experience to a student, cannot ever do so without first asking permission, or being invited to do so, this is a part of the Law of Non-Interference, the same law governs all three of those various but similar circumstances.

[ end quote ]

ETZNAB SAYS:
Kinpa suggests I don't drink too much and then comments about most of my friends.

"do the research Richard....and do be sure not to drink too much tonite...most of your friends are quite the bunch of lushes ;) but you know that do you not?"
When you take your screenshots, Kinpa, be sure to include my growing list of your behavior.

Not only did you come into a.r.e. insulting people, but you got personal and did so even when others were not doing those kind of things to you.

You know my friends, Kinpa? What then was the meaning of those remarks? And when you mentioned "drink", What sort of drink were you referring to?

Lots of stuff you spouted out I let go over the months. And because I remember having had decent and interesting conversations with you in the past. However, your intent to defame appears to be not only constant, but growing in intensity with time.
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/6i8G_MyOEUs/pEnu02uXkl4J

YES MATT SHARPE - KINPA IS A MONGREL DOG BUT GREAT FRIENDS WITH LONI HAAS OF GEORGIA & WWW.LIGHTFORCENETWORK.COM - HE WILL SAY AND HAS SAID ANYTHING HE WANTS ABOUT OTHERS NO MATTER HOW FALSE OFFENSIVE UNTRUE OR DISHONEST HE IS
MATT SHARPE THINKS HE IS SO IMPORTANT - AND ABOVE EVERYONE ELSE - THAT HE CAN BULLY OTHERS ONLINE TO DO AND ACT AND THINK WHAT HE WANTS THEM TO - WHICH TO SHUT UP ABOUT PLAGIARISM AND THE FALSEHOODS IN ECKANKAR -
MATT SHARPE KINPA IS A LYING LOW-LIFE DEFAMER & SLANDERER WHO CANNOT BE TRUSTED -
HE IS A PROVEN LIAR, DELUSIONAL, PSYCHOTIC, A PLAGIARISER, A COPYRIGHT PIRATE AND PIECE OF DOG SHIT - BE WARNED
Kinpa
2015-06-26 01:41:06 UTC
Permalink
Post by Henosis Sage
GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY SPACE NOW
"In Eckankar we refer to this as the Law of Non-Interference,
which states " Anyone who uses any means of change or
influence on another's mind, including prayer, is violating a
LAW of spiritual consciousness." *
"A person's space is no different than a home owned by one,
no one can enter it unless first invited or allowed by the owner,
and any who enter under any other circumstance, is a CRIMINAL."
Copied, plagiarised, written by KINPA aka Matt Sharpe
aka A Compulsive Lying Manipulator & Abuser & a
Delusional Psychotic Dishonest Nutcase and Idiot!!!
3. Psychic Space and the Law of Non-Interference (c) 2014 - Matt Sharpe
(via the Light Force Network ...)
One thing that can often make for problematic situations amongst groups of people is the idea of, or lack of, recognized psychic space by which is meant the emotional and varying mental aspects of space, both on the inner planes and relating states of consciousness, as well as the inner states of every human being in the Physical Realm. The boundaries of these are often not recognized or shared between any group in particular, and that only becomes harder between different groups of people, one often refusing to respect the space and freedom of choice, as well as the basic right to make a choice of any other. In Eckankar we refer to this as the Law of Non-Interference, which states " Anyone who uses any means of change or influence on another's mind, including prayer, is violating a law of spiritual consciousness." *
A person's space is no different than a home owned by one, no one can enter it unless first invited or allowed by the owner, and any who enter under any other circumstance, is a criminal. And this works to the same extent in reverse. It can be said that a person's space extends right out to the point where another's begins. Any individual who is minding their own business, and is not stepping out into another's, may do as they see fit, so long as it harms no other. A situation where a person wants another to do a thing that they have said no to, who then proceeds to attempt to talk the person into doing that thing, is quite literally attempting mind control. There are no exceptions within that framework. Not many would recognize such a simple, everyday situation such as that as being an attempt at mind control until it is done to themselves, where it suddenly becomes far more obvious.
One who has perceptive "gifts", that can perceive more deeply than the average person must also be very careful not to invade another's space without first gaining permission. While they might well have a flow of information incoming that can be turned off, also if one hasn't yet learned how to do that, the very least they can do is be respectful and remain silent. Not everything that comes in necessarily needs to be said aloud. This is often a matter of self-control, and if one says something that causes a disturbance, they may find themselves rightfully to blame for that.
In any such case where one's psychic space has been invaded, there will always be a karmic debt incurred. This is simply another way of saying that that individual that used the invasive behavior has chosen to learn the principles of the lesson in a harder way, one that is generally referred to as "bad" karma. When this happens, the individual themselves have made and are responsible for, the choice that brought the karma into being. Because of this, they and they alone can re-balance the scales, and in every case, the way this occurs is by completing the cycle of karma and learning the lesson, also putting into being a more evolved choice which proves the lesson has indeed been learned. Thenceforth the individual can recognize the same circumstances in a great many situations and have better options to deal with them and by doing that, avoid a cycle of repeating the same mistakes.
Where the psychic space of others and the Law of Non-Interference are concerned, the Golden Rule definitely applies: "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." And after applying the Law of Karma to it, one might add to the quote: "Because they WILL!" Those that consistently indulge themselves in following a double standard will undoubtedly find that karmic law is very detailed and accurate. It cannot be dodged or outrun, and it never falls victim to trickery and cannot be deceived.
A thing as simple as talking someone into something, is nothing less than an attempt at mind control as well as an invasion of another's space that might not seem so obvious at first glance. The fact that a person needs to be talked into a thing denotes that they are not willing to engage in it to begin with, and thus, an attempt to change that person's decision is invasive. Many have no idea of this fact. It is no different when a child seeks to talk a parent into giving them a liberty they might otherwise not have available to them, however, in such a case generally no grudge is held and rightly so, however, after a certain age, such things will most often no longer be tolerated. It lasts as long as does that child's cuteness, and is outgrown quickly.
One aspect of "space" in general that isn't often considered at all is whether or not a person is extending their own space outward to include things they would rather not include or be affected by. Often this can be causing a reaction unconsciously for one. A thing one had never thought of as having any effect on them can be having an unknown effect that isn't so easily recognized by all. It pays to become aware of all of the things one's attention is extended to include. Some of the time problems can actually be drawn towards ourselves by ourselves acting in an unconscious way. What I mean is that we don't always realize the true effect a thing might have upon us, so that we continue onward never realizing that a thing we have extended our attention in some way out to include might have a negative effect upon us, and the only way to remove that is to become aware of it, and removing our attention and thus our state of consciousness away from it, and in this way becoming better aware of the true effect a thing can have in this way, so that we can look out for this happening again. For example, one might think something not so nice or considerate about a friend, based on a prejudicial attitude one some aspect of that person's life, one which is completely within their rights to have. By not having been aware of in the first place, our mistake in judgment, and in the second place, the effect of said judgment, we can bring negativity into our purview that we would rather not have to deal with.
In this case a more honest and complete view of the self is needed, as well as the development of a less judgmental view of others and the choices some might make. Nothing less than adapting in this way will begin chipping away at the formation of a less than advantageous point of view of others. It is generally not a terrible way of looking at a situation, by placing ourselves in that other's position so as to gain a notion of what it would be like were positions reversed. This can go far for developing degrees of consideration that may not have been so easily come by before then.
The idea of psychic space is on one hand a very familiar concept to some, but on the other hand, almost unheard or thought of by many others, and because of this the rules regarding it are often unclear to many. Healing of any sort is a thing that falls very much within the area of an individual's space, and stands at risk to be possibly invaded by those unaware of the limits of their own free will, which are of course up to the point at which another's space begins. Any average doctor would never begin medical treatment until any potential patient came to them willingly, seeking medical help. This obvious situation is many times much less obvious in the area of psychic or spiritual healers, and most often this is the specific area where invasions occur.
This area shares a considerable amount with various religious groups that proselytize. If one hasn't actually asked or expressed interest in the "help" it simply cannot be given to a person, especially under the guise of doing a thing deemed (by another) to be for their own best interests. A happy Muslim isn't likely to enjoy having Jehova's Witnesses coming to their door weekly attempting to "save" them by convincing them to change their religion. In the very same way any healer will find it not only impossible to heal a person that hasn't yet asked to be healed, but also that if they go forward uninvited with such an action, there will be a heavy karmic burden to bear. These things, regardless of motivation, break spiritual law and bear a karmic price.
And on the positive side of this, if a person is unwell and asks for a healing, or for further infprmation on a different spiritual path than the one they had been on, an interested person can certainly offer aid and information that they might have the capacity to perform. And the very same standard applies to inner spiritual teachings, one who considers themselves, or is considered by others to be a teacher, and who actually has the ability to channel spiritual teachings and experience to a student, cannot ever do so without first asking permission, or being invited to do so, this is a part of the Law of Non-Interference, the same law governs all three of those various but similar circumstances.
[ end quote ]
Kinpa suggests I don't drink too much and then comments about most of my friends.
"do the research Richard....and do be sure not to drink too much tonite...most of your friends are quite the bunch of lushes ;) but you know that do you not?"
When you take your screenshots, Kinpa, be sure to include my growing list of your behavior.
Not only did you come into a.r.e. insulting people, but you got personal and did so even when others were not doing those kind of things to you.
You know my friends, Kinpa? What then was the meaning of those remarks? And when you mentioned "drink", What sort of drink were you referring to?
Lots of stuff you spouted out I let go over the months. And because I remember having had decent and interesting conversations with you in the past. However, your intent to defame appears to be not only constant, but growing in intensity with time.
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/6i8G_MyOEUs/pEnu02uXkl4J
YES MATT SHARPE - KINPA IS A MONGREL DOG BUT GREAT FRIENDS WITH LONI HAAS OF GEORGIA & WWW.LIGHTFORCENETWORK.COM - HE WILL SAY AND HAS SAID ANYTHING HE WANTS ABOUT OTHERS NO MATTER HOW FALSE OFFENSIVE UNTRUE OR DISHONEST HE IS
MATT SHARPE THINKS HE IS SO IMPORTANT - AND ABOVE EVERYONE ELSE - THAT HE CAN BULLY OTHERS ONLINE TO DO AND ACT AND THINK WHAT HE WANTS THEM TO - WHICH TO SHUT UP ABOUT PLAGIARISM AND THE FALSEHOODS IN ECKANKAR -
MATT SHARPE KINPA IS A LYING LOW-LIFE DEFAMER & SLANDERER WHO CANNOT BE TRUSTED -
HE IS A PROVEN LIAR, DELUSIONAL, PSYCHOTIC, A PLAGIARISER, A COPYRIGHT PIRATE AND PIECE OF DOG SHIT - BE WARNED
Awwww...still holding a grudge? Get over it already, YOU did that to yourself...
Etznab
2015-06-26 02:14:35 UTC
Permalink
Post by Kinpa
Post by Henosis Sage
GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY SPACE NOW
"In Eckankar we refer to this as the Law of Non-Interference,
which states " Anyone who uses any means of change or
influence on another's mind, including prayer, is violating a
LAW of spiritual consciousness." *
"A person's space is no different than a home owned by one,
no one can enter it unless first invited or allowed by the owner,
and any who enter under any other circumstance, is a CRIMINAL."
Copied, plagiarised, written by KINPA aka Matt Sharpe
aka A Compulsive Lying Manipulator & Abuser & a
Delusional Psychotic Dishonest Nutcase and Idiot!!!
3. Psychic Space and the Law of Non-Interference (c) 2014 - Matt Sharpe
(via the Light Force Network ...)
One thing that can often make for problematic situations amongst groups of people is the idea of, or lack of, recognized psychic space by which is meant the emotional and varying mental aspects of space, both on the inner planes and relating states of consciousness, as well as the inner states of every human being in the Physical Realm. The boundaries of these are often not recognized or shared between any group in particular, and that only becomes harder between different groups of people, one often refusing to respect the space and freedom of choice, as well as the basic right to make a choice of any other. In Eckankar we refer to this as the Law of Non-Interference, which states " Anyone who uses any means of change or influence on another's mind, including prayer, is violating a law of spiritual consciousness." *
A person's space is no different than a home owned by one, no one can enter it unless first invited or allowed by the owner, and any who enter under any other circumstance, is a criminal. And this works to the same extent in reverse. It can be said that a person's space extends right out to the point where another's begins. Any individual who is minding their own business, and is not stepping out into another's, may do as they see fit, so long as it harms no other. A situation where a person wants another to do a thing that they have said no to, who then proceeds to attempt to talk the person into doing that thing, is quite literally attempting mind control. There are no exceptions within that framework. Not many would recognize such a simple, everyday situation such as that as being an attempt at mind control until it is done to themselves, where it suddenly becomes far more obvious.
One who has perceptive "gifts", that can perceive more deeply than the average person must also be very careful not to invade another's space without first gaining permission. While they might well have a flow of information incoming that can be turned off, also if one hasn't yet learned how to do that, the very least they can do is be respectful and remain silent. Not everything that comes in necessarily needs to be said aloud. This is often a matter of self-control, and if one says something that causes a disturbance, they may find themselves rightfully to blame for that.
In any such case where one's psychic space has been invaded, there will always be a karmic debt incurred. This is simply another way of saying that that individual that used the invasive behavior has chosen to learn the principles of the lesson in a harder way, one that is generally referred to as "bad" karma. When this happens, the individual themselves have made and are responsible for, the choice that brought the karma into being. Because of this, they and they alone can re-balance the scales, and in every case, the way this occurs is by completing the cycle of karma and learning the lesson, also putting into being a more evolved choice which proves the lesson has indeed been learned. Thenceforth the individual can recognize the same circumstances in a great many situations and have better options to deal with them and by doing that, avoid a cycle of repeating the same mistakes.
Where the psychic space of others and the Law of Non-Interference are concerned, the Golden Rule definitely applies: "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." And after applying the Law of Karma to it, one might add to the quote: "Because they WILL!" Those that consistently indulge themselves in following a double standard will undoubtedly find that karmic law is very detailed and accurate. It cannot be dodged or outrun, and it never falls victim to trickery and cannot be deceived.
A thing as simple as talking someone into something, is nothing less than an attempt at mind control as well as an invasion of another's space that might not seem so obvious at first glance. The fact that a person needs to be talked into a thing denotes that they are not willing to engage in it to begin with, and thus, an attempt to change that person's decision is invasive. Many have no idea of this fact. It is no different when a child seeks to talk a parent into giving them a liberty they might otherwise not have available to them, however, in such a case generally no grudge is held and rightly so, however, after a certain age, such things will most often no longer be tolerated. It lasts as long as does that child's cuteness, and is outgrown quickly.
One aspect of "space" in general that isn't often considered at all is whether or not a person is extending their own space outward to include things they would rather not include or be affected by. Often this can be causing a reaction unconsciously for one. A thing one had never thought of as having any effect on them can be having an unknown effect that isn't so easily recognized by all. It pays to become aware of all of the things one's attention is extended to include. Some of the time problems can actually be drawn towards ourselves by ourselves acting in an unconscious way. What I mean is that we don't always realize the true effect a thing might have upon us, so that we continue onward never realizing that a thing we have extended our attention in some way out to include might have a negative effect upon us, and the only way to remove that is to become aware of it, and removing our attention and thus our state of consciousness away from it, and in this way becoming better aware of the true effect a thing can have in this way, so that we can look out for this happening again. For example, one might think something not so nice or considerate about a friend, based on a prejudicial attitude one some aspect of that person's life, one which is completely within their rights to have. By not having been aware of in the first place, our mistake in judgment, and in the second place, the effect of said judgment, we can bring negativity into our purview that we would rather not have to deal with.
In this case a more honest and complete view of the self is needed, as well as the development of a less judgmental view of others and the choices some might make. Nothing less than adapting in this way will begin chipping away at the formation of a less than advantageous point of view of others. It is generally not a terrible way of looking at a situation, by placing ourselves in that other's position so as to gain a notion of what it would be like were positions reversed. This can go far for developing degrees of consideration that may not have been so easily come by before then.
The idea of psychic space is on one hand a very familiar concept to some, but on the other hand, almost unheard or thought of by many others, and because of this the rules regarding it are often unclear to many. Healing of any sort is a thing that falls very much within the area of an individual's space, and stands at risk to be possibly invaded by those unaware of the limits of their own free will, which are of course up to the point at which another's space begins. Any average doctor would never begin medical treatment until any potential patient came to them willingly, seeking medical help. This obvious situation is many times much less obvious in the area of psychic or spiritual healers, and most often this is the specific area where invasions occur.
This area shares a considerable amount with various religious groups that proselytize. If one hasn't actually asked or expressed interest in the "help" it simply cannot be given to a person, especially under the guise of doing a thing deemed (by another) to be for their own best interests. A happy Muslim isn't likely to enjoy having Jehova's Witnesses coming to their door weekly attempting to "save" them by convincing them to change their religion. In the very same way any healer will find it not only impossible to heal a person that hasn't yet asked to be healed, but also that if they go forward uninvited with such an action, there will be a heavy karmic burden to bear. These things, regardless of motivation, break spiritual law and bear a karmic price.
And on the positive side of this, if a person is unwell and asks for a healing, or for further infprmation on a different spiritual path than the one they had been on, an interested person can certainly offer aid and information that they might have the capacity to perform. And the very same standard applies to inner spiritual teachings, one who considers themselves, or is considered by others to be a teacher, and who actually has the ability to channel spiritual teachings and experience to a student, cannot ever do so without first asking permission, or being invited to do so, this is a part of the Law of Non-Interference, the same law governs all three of those various but similar circumstances.
[ end quote ]
Kinpa suggests I don't drink too much and then comments about most of my friends.
"do the research Richard....and do be sure not to drink too much tonite...most of your friends are quite the bunch of lushes ;) but you know that do you not?"
When you take your screenshots, Kinpa, be sure to include my growing list of your behavior.
Not only did you come into a.r.e. insulting people, but you got personal and did so even when others were not doing those kind of things to you.
You know my friends, Kinpa? What then was the meaning of those remarks? And when you mentioned "drink", What sort of drink were you referring to?
Lots of stuff you spouted out I let go over the months. And because I remember having had decent and interesting conversations with you in the past. However, your intent to defame appears to be not only constant, but growing in intensity with time.
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/6i8G_MyOEUs/pEnu02uXkl4J
YES MATT SHARPE - KINPA IS A MONGREL DOG BUT GREAT FRIENDS WITH LONI HAAS OF GEORGIA & WWW.LIGHTFORCENETWORK.COM - HE WILL SAY AND HAS SAID ANYTHING HE WANTS ABOUT OTHERS NO MATTER HOW FALSE OFFENSIVE UNTRUE OR DISHONEST HE IS
MATT SHARPE THINKS HE IS SO IMPORTANT - AND ABOVE EVERYONE ELSE - THAT HE CAN BULLY OTHERS ONLINE TO DO AND ACT AND THINK WHAT HE WANTS THEM TO - WHICH TO SHUT UP ABOUT PLAGIARISM AND THE FALSEHOODS IN ECKANKAR -
MATT SHARPE KINPA IS A LYING LOW-LIFE DEFAMER & SLANDERER WHO CANNOT BE TRUSTED -
HE IS A PROVEN LIAR, DELUSIONAL, PSYCHOTIC, A PLAGIARISER, A COPYRIGHT PIRATE AND PIECE OF DOG SHIT - BE WARNED
Awwww...still holding a grudge? Get over it already, YOU did that to yourself...
Why do you constantly write like a spoiled brat who can't admit a mistake and can't accept responsibility for his own actions? I mention this not to be mean, but because you do it a lot. I don't think it's cute.

This is why I didn't think you were the same person after your name appeared here many months ago. I thought maybe JR was using your name.

Have you noticed that Sean speaks to your behavior as if you were a disobedient child throwing a tantrum?

What did you honestly expect after running your potty mouth all those months ago and acting immature?

It is clear to me (and also probably others who read here) that you failed to make things better, but continued to inflame discussions with your immature and brat-like behavior.

Are you an only child?
Kinpa
2015-06-26 03:44:29 UTC
Permalink
Post by Etznab
Post by Kinpa
Post by Henosis Sage
GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY SPACE NOW
"In Eckankar we refer to this as the Law of Non-Interference,
which states " Anyone who uses any means of change or
influence on another's mind, including prayer, is violating a
LAW of spiritual consciousness." *
"A person's space is no different than a home owned by one,
no one can enter it unless first invited or allowed by the owner,
and any who enter under any other circumstance, is a CRIMINAL."
Copied, plagiarised, written by KINPA aka Matt Sharpe
aka A Compulsive Lying Manipulator & Abuser & a
Delusional Psychotic Dishonest Nutcase and Idiot!!!
3. Psychic Space and the Law of Non-Interference (c) 2014 - Matt Sharpe
(via the Light Force Network ...)
One thing that can often make for problematic situations amongst groups of people is the idea of, or lack of, recognized psychic space by which is meant the emotional and varying mental aspects of space, both on the inner planes and relating states of consciousness, as well as the inner states of every human being in the Physical Realm. The boundaries of these are often not recognized or shared between any group in particular, and that only becomes harder between different groups of people, one often refusing to respect the space and freedom of choice, as well as the basic right to make a choice of any other. In Eckankar we refer to this as the Law of Non-Interference, which states " Anyone who uses any means of change or influence on another's mind, including prayer, is violating a law of spiritual consciousness." *
A person's space is no different than a home owned by one, no one can enter it unless first invited or allowed by the owner, and any who enter under any other circumstance, is a criminal. And this works to the same extent in reverse. It can be said that a person's space extends right out to the point where another's begins. Any individual who is minding their own business, and is not stepping out into another's, may do as they see fit, so long as it harms no other. A situation where a person wants another to do a thing that they have said no to, who then proceeds to attempt to talk the person into doing that thing, is quite literally attempting mind control. There are no exceptions within that framework. Not many would recognize such a simple, everyday situation such as that as being an attempt at mind control until it is done to themselves, where it suddenly becomes far more obvious.
One who has perceptive "gifts", that can perceive more deeply than the average person must also be very careful not to invade another's space without first gaining permission. While they might well have a flow of information incoming that can be turned off, also if one hasn't yet learned how to do that, the very least they can do is be respectful and remain silent. Not everything that comes in necessarily needs to be said aloud. This is often a matter of self-control, and if one says something that causes a disturbance, they may find themselves rightfully to blame for that.
In any such case where one's psychic space has been invaded, there will always be a karmic debt incurred. This is simply another way of saying that that individual that used the invasive behavior has chosen to learn the principles of the lesson in a harder way, one that is generally referred to as "bad" karma. When this happens, the individual themselves have made and are responsible for, the choice that brought the karma into being. Because of this, they and they alone can re-balance the scales, and in every case, the way this occurs is by completing the cycle of karma and learning the lesson, also putting into being a more evolved choice which proves the lesson has indeed been learned. Thenceforth the individual can recognize the same circumstances in a great many situations and have better options to deal with them and by doing that, avoid a cycle of repeating the same mistakes.
Where the psychic space of others and the Law of Non-Interference are concerned, the Golden Rule definitely applies: "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." And after applying the Law of Karma to it, one might add to the quote: "Because they WILL!" Those that consistently indulge themselves in following a double standard will undoubtedly find that karmic law is very detailed and accurate. It cannot be dodged or outrun, and it never falls victim to trickery and cannot be deceived.
A thing as simple as talking someone into something, is nothing less than an attempt at mind control as well as an invasion of another's space that might not seem so obvious at first glance. The fact that a person needs to be talked into a thing denotes that they are not willing to engage in it to begin with, and thus, an attempt to change that person's decision is invasive. Many have no idea of this fact. It is no different when a child seeks to talk a parent into giving them a liberty they might otherwise not have available to them, however, in such a case generally no grudge is held and rightly so, however, after a certain age, such things will most often no longer be tolerated. It lasts as long as does that child's cuteness, and is outgrown quickly.
One aspect of "space" in general that isn't often considered at all is whether or not a person is extending their own space outward to include things they would rather not include or be affected by. Often this can be causing a reaction unconsciously for one. A thing one had never thought of as having any effect on them can be having an unknown effect that isn't so easily recognized by all. It pays to become aware of all of the things one's attention is extended to include. Some of the time problems can actually be drawn towards ourselves by ourselves acting in an unconscious way. What I mean is that we don't always realize the true effect a thing might have upon us, so that we continue onward never realizing that a thing we have extended our attention in some way out to include might have a negative effect upon us, and the only way to remove that is to become aware of it, and removing our attention and thus our state of consciousness away from it, and in this way becoming better aware of the true effect a thing can have in this way, so that we can look out for this happening again. For example, one might think something not so nice or considerate about a friend, based on a prejudicial attitude one some aspect of that person's life, one which is completely within their rights to have. By not having been aware of in the first place, our mistake in judgment, and in the second place, the effect of said judgment, we can bring negativity into our purview that we would rather not have to deal with.
In this case a more honest and complete view of the self is needed, as well as the development of a less judgmental view of others and the choices some might make. Nothing less than adapting in this way will begin chipping away at the formation of a less than advantageous point of view of others. It is generally not a terrible way of looking at a situation, by placing ourselves in that other's position so as to gain a notion of what it would be like were positions reversed. This can go far for developing degrees of consideration that may not have been so easily come by before then.
The idea of psychic space is on one hand a very familiar concept to some, but on the other hand, almost unheard or thought of by many others, and because of this the rules regarding it are often unclear to many. Healing of any sort is a thing that falls very much within the area of an individual's space, and stands at risk to be possibly invaded by those unaware of the limits of their own free will, which are of course up to the point at which another's space begins. Any average doctor would never begin medical treatment until any potential patient came to them willingly, seeking medical help. This obvious situation is many times much less obvious in the area of psychic or spiritual healers, and most often this is the specific area where invasions occur.
This area shares a considerable amount with various religious groups that proselytize. If one hasn't actually asked or expressed interest in the "help" it simply cannot be given to a person, especially under the guise of doing a thing deemed (by another) to be for their own best interests. A happy Muslim isn't likely to enjoy having Jehova's Witnesses coming to their door weekly attempting to "save" them by convincing them to change their religion. In the very same way any healer will find it not only impossible to heal a person that hasn't yet asked to be healed, but also that if they go forward uninvited with such an action, there will be a heavy karmic burden to bear. These things, regardless of motivation, break spiritual law and bear a karmic price.
And on the positive side of this, if a person is unwell and asks for a healing, or for further infprmation on a different spiritual path than the one they had been on, an interested person can certainly offer aid and information that they might have the capacity to perform. And the very same standard applies to inner spiritual teachings, one who considers themselves, or is considered by others to be a teacher, and who actually has the ability to channel spiritual teachings and experience to a student, cannot ever do so without first asking permission, or being invited to do so, this is a part of the Law of Non-Interference, the same law governs all three of those various but similar circumstances.
[ end quote ]
Kinpa suggests I don't drink too much and then comments about most of my friends.
"do the research Richard....and do be sure not to drink too much tonite...most of your friends are quite the bunch of lushes ;) but you know that do you not?"
When you take your screenshots, Kinpa, be sure to include my growing list of your behavior.
Not only did you come into a.r.e. insulting people, but you got personal and did so even when others were not doing those kind of things to you.
You know my friends, Kinpa? What then was the meaning of those remarks? And when you mentioned "drink", What sort of drink were you referring to?
Lots of stuff you spouted out I let go over the months. And because I remember having had decent and interesting conversations with you in the past. However, your intent to defame appears to be not only constant, but growing in intensity with time.
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/6i8G_MyOEUs/pEnu02uXkl4J
YES MATT SHARPE - KINPA IS A MONGREL DOG BUT GREAT FRIENDS WITH LONI HAAS OF GEORGIA & WWW.LIGHTFORCENETWORK.COM - HE WILL SAY AND HAS SAID ANYTHING HE WANTS ABOUT OTHERS NO MATTER HOW FALSE OFFENSIVE UNTRUE OR DISHONEST HE IS
MATT SHARPE THINKS HE IS SO IMPORTANT - AND ABOVE EVERYONE ELSE - THAT HE CAN BULLY OTHERS ONLINE TO DO AND ACT AND THINK WHAT HE WANTS THEM TO - WHICH TO SHUT UP ABOUT PLAGIARISM AND THE FALSEHOODS IN ECKANKAR -
MATT SHARPE KINPA IS A LYING LOW-LIFE DEFAMER & SLANDERER WHO CANNOT BE TRUSTED -
HE IS A PROVEN LIAR, DELUSIONAL, PSYCHOTIC, A PLAGIARISER, A COPYRIGHT PIRATE AND PIECE OF DOG SHIT - BE WARNED
Awwww...still holding a grudge? Get over it already, YOU did that to yourself...
Why do you constantly write like a spoiled brat who can't admit a mistake and can't accept responsibility for his own actions? I mention this not to be mean, but because you do it a lot. I don't think it's cute.
This is why I didn't think you were the same person after your name appeared here many months ago. I thought maybe JR was using your name.
Have you noticed that Sean speaks to your behavior as if you were a disobedient child throwing a tantrum?
What did you honestly expect after running your potty mouth all those months ago and acting immature?
It is clear to me (and also probably others who read here) that you failed to make things better, but continued to inflame discussions with your immature and brat-like behavior.
Are you an only child?
I see you two as brats...who cares what any of our opinions of each other are? Are you lacking self-esteem? Why mention it then? Don't let it happen again...
Etznab
2021-12-11 14:59:20 UTC
Permalink
Post by Kinpa
Post by Etznab
Post by Kinpa
Post by Henosis Sage
GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY SPACE NOW
"In Eckankar we refer to this as the Law of Non-Interference,
which states " Anyone who uses any means of change or
influence on another's mind, including prayer, is violating a
LAW of spiritual consciousness." *
"A person's space is no different than a home owned by one,
no one can enter it unless first invited or allowed by the owner,
and any who enter under any other circumstance, is a CRIMINAL."
Copied, plagiarised, written by KINPA aka Matt Sharpe
aka A Compulsive Lying Manipulator & Abuser & a
Delusional Psychotic Dishonest Nutcase and Idiot!!!
3. Psychic Space and the Law of Non-Interference (c) 2014 - Matt Sharpe
(via the Light Force Network ...)
One thing that can often make for problematic situations amongst groups of people is the idea of, or lack of, recognized psychic space by which is meant the emotional and varying mental aspects of space, both on the inner planes and relating states of consciousness, as well as the inner states of every human being in the Physical Realm. The boundaries of these are often not recognized or shared between any group in particular, and that only becomes harder between different groups of people, one often refusing to respect the space and freedom of choice, as well as the basic right to make a choice of any other. In Eckankar we refer to this as the Law of Non-Interference, which states " Anyone who uses any means of change or influence on another's mind, including prayer, is violating a law of spiritual consciousness." *
A person's space is no different than a home owned by one, no one can enter it unless first invited or allowed by the owner, and any who enter under any other circumstance, is a criminal. And this works to the same extent in reverse. It can be said that a person's space extends right out to the point where another's begins. Any individual who is minding their own business, and is not stepping out into another's, may do as they see fit, so long as it harms no other. A situation where a person wants another to do a thing that they have said no to, who then proceeds to attempt to talk the person into doing that thing, is quite literally attempting mind control. There are no exceptions within that framework. Not many would recognize such a simple, everyday situation such as that as being an attempt at mind control until it is done to themselves, where it suddenly becomes far more obvious.
One who has perceptive "gifts", that can perceive more deeply than the average person must also be very careful not to invade another's space without first gaining permission. While they might well have a flow of information incoming that can be turned off, also if one hasn't yet learned how to do that, the very least they can do is be respectful and remain silent. Not everything that comes in necessarily needs to be said aloud. This is often a matter of self-control, and if one says something that causes a disturbance, they may find themselves rightfully to blame for that.
In any such case where one's psychic space has been invaded, there will always be a karmic debt incurred. This is simply another way of saying that that individual that used the invasive behavior has chosen to learn the principles of the lesson in a harder way, one that is generally referred to as "bad" karma. When this happens, the individual themselves have made and are responsible for, the choice that brought the karma into being. Because of this, they and they alone can re-balance the scales, and in every case, the way this occurs is by completing the cycle of karma and learning the lesson, also putting into being a more evolved choice which proves the lesson has indeed been learned. Thenceforth the individual can recognize the same circumstances in a great many situations and have better options to deal with them and by doing that, avoid a cycle of repeating the same mistakes.
Where the psychic space of others and the Law of Non-Interference are concerned, the Golden Rule definitely applies: "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." And after applying the Law of Karma to it, one might add to the quote: "Because they WILL!" Those that consistently indulge themselves in following a double standard will undoubtedly find that karmic law is very detailed and accurate. It cannot be dodged or outrun, and it never falls victim to trickery and cannot be deceived.
A thing as simple as talking someone into something, is nothing less than an attempt at mind control as well as an invasion of another's space that might not seem so obvious at first glance. The fact that a person needs to be talked into a thing denotes that they are not willing to engage in it to begin with, and thus, an attempt to change that person's decision is invasive. Many have no idea of this fact. It is no different when a child seeks to talk a parent into giving them a liberty they might otherwise not have available to them, however, in such a case generally no grudge is held and rightly so, however, after a certain age, such things will most often no longer be tolerated. It lasts as long as does that child's cuteness, and is outgrown quickly.
One aspect of "space" in general that isn't often considered at all is whether or not a person is extending their own space outward to include things they would rather not include or be affected by. Often this can be causing a reaction unconsciously for one. A thing one had never thought of as having any effect on them can be having an unknown effect that isn't so easily recognized by all. It pays to become aware of all of the things one's attention is extended to include. Some of the time problems can actually be drawn towards ourselves by ourselves acting in an unconscious way. What I mean is that we don't always realize the true effect a thing might have upon us, so that we continue onward never realizing that a thing we have extended our attention in some way out to include might have a negative effect upon us, and the only way to remove that is to become aware of it, and removing our attention and thus our state of consciousness away from it, and in this way becoming better aware of the true effect a thing can have in this way, so that we can look out for this happening again. For example, one might think something not so nice or considerate about a friend, based on a prejudicial attitude one some aspect of that person's life, one which is completely within their rights to have. By not having been aware of in the first place, our mistake in judgment, and in the second place, the effect of said judgment, we can bring negativity into our purview that we would rather not have to deal with.
In this case a more honest and complete view of the self is needed, as well as the development of a less judgmental view of others and the choices some might make. Nothing less than adapting in this way will begin chipping away at the formation of a less than advantageous point of view of others. It is generally not a terrible way of looking at a situation, by placing ourselves in that other's position so as to gain a notion of what it would be like were positions reversed. This can go far for developing degrees of consideration that may not have been so easily come by before then.
The idea of psychic space is on one hand a very familiar concept to some, but on the other hand, almost unheard or thought of by many others, and because of this the rules regarding it are often unclear to many. Healing of any sort is a thing that falls very much within the area of an individual's space, and stands at risk to be possibly invaded by those unaware of the limits of their own free will, which are of course up to the point at which another's space begins. Any average doctor would never begin medical treatment until any potential patient came to them willingly, seeking medical help. This obvious situation is many times much less obvious in the area of psychic or spiritual healers, and most often this is the specific area where invasions occur.
This area shares a considerable amount with various religious groups that proselytize. If one hasn't actually asked or expressed interest in the "help" it simply cannot be given to a person, especially under the guise of doing a thing deemed (by another) to be for their own best interests. A happy Muslim isn't likely to enjoy having Jehova's Witnesses coming to their door weekly attempting to "save" them by convincing them to change their religion. In the very same way any healer will find it not only impossible to heal a person that hasn't yet asked to be healed, but also that if they go forward uninvited with such an action, there will be a heavy karmic burden to bear. These things, regardless of motivation, break spiritual law and bear a karmic price.
And on the positive side of this, if a person is unwell and asks for a healing, or for further infprmation on a different spiritual path than the one they had been on, an interested person can certainly offer aid and information that they might have the capacity to perform. And the very same standard applies to inner spiritual teachings, one who considers themselves, or is considered by others to be a teacher, and who actually has the ability to channel spiritual teachings and experience to a student, cannot ever do so without first asking permission, or being invited to do so, this is a part of the Law of Non-Interference, the same law governs all three of those various but similar circumstances.
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Kinpa suggests I don't drink too much and then comments about most of my friends.
"do the research Richard....and do be sure not to drink too much tonite...most of your friends are quite the bunch of lushes ;) but you know that do you not?"
When you take your screenshots, Kinpa, be sure to include my growing list of your behavior.
Not only did you come into a.r.e. insulting people, but you got personal and did so even when others were not doing those kind of things to you.
You know my friends, Kinpa? What then was the meaning of those remarks? And when you mentioned "drink", What sort of drink were you referring to?
Lots of stuff you spouted out I let go over the months. And because I remember having had decent and interesting conversations with you in the past. However, your intent to defame appears to be not only constant, but growing in intensity with time.
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/6i8G_MyOEUs/pEnu02uXkl4J
YES MATT SHARPE - KINPA IS A MONGREL DOG BUT GREAT FRIENDS WITH LONI HAAS OF GEORGIA & WWW.LIGHTFORCENETWORK.COM - HE WILL SAY AND HAS SAID ANYTHING HE WANTS ABOUT OTHERS NO MATTER HOW FALSE OFFENSIVE UNTRUE OR DISHONEST HE IS
MATT SHARPE THINKS HE IS SO IMPORTANT - AND ABOVE EVERYONE ELSE - THAT HE CAN BULLY OTHERS ONLINE TO DO AND ACT AND THINK WHAT HE WANTS THEM TO - WHICH TO SHUT UP ABOUT PLAGIARISM AND THE FALSEHOODS IN ECKANKAR -
MATT SHARPE KINPA IS A LYING LOW-LIFE DEFAMER & SLANDERER WHO CANNOT BE TRUSTED -
HE IS A PROVEN LIAR, DELUSIONAL, PSYCHOTIC, A PLAGIARISER, A COPYRIGHT PIRATE AND PIECE OF DOG SHIT - BE WARNED
Awwww...still holding a grudge? Get over it already, YOU did that to yourself...
Why do you constantly write like a spoiled brat who can't admit a mistake and can't accept responsibility for his own actions? I mention this not to be mean, but because you do it a lot. I don't think it's cute.
This is why I didn't think you were the same person after your name appeared here many months ago. I thought maybe JR was using your name.
Have you noticed that Sean speaks to your behavior as if you were a disobedient child throwing a tantrum?
What did you honestly expect after running your potty mouth all those months ago and acting immature?
It is clear to me (and also probably others who read here) that you failed to make things better, but continued to inflame discussions with your immature and brat-like behavior.
Are you an only child?
I see you two as brats...who cares what any of our opinions of each other are? Are you lacking self-esteem? Why mention it then? Don't let it happen again...
Someone who stated they would never leave this newsgroup has not been here for quite a long time. So, to me, it does look like you left a long time ago (unless your name was changed to Fife).

What's wrong? Were you embarrassed I called you out for lying about remote viewing poop accidents? Or my repeatedly asking you to apologize for lying about my membership card (which you never did)?

Is your name Jussie Smollett?

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