Then an anonymous collective began to investigate his past...

[fife]

“They didn’t take us seriously,” Charles recalled. “Because after all, this was Stéphane Bourgoin.” After a few months of unsuccessful efforts, 4ème Oeil decided to publish their findings on their own, in a series of long, detailed and notably angry video compilations, under the title Serial Mytho. (“Mytho” is short, in French, for “mythomaniac”.) No one in the group had any video-making experience to speak of; they posted them to YouTube without fanfare. “We’re not going to kid ourselves, the videos were pretty awful,” Charles said. “We don’t even know how people found them.”
Within the community of francophone crime aficionados, the videos took off. “A lot of people were pissed off,” Charles recalled. Bourgoin fans sent insults, and occasional threats of legal action. Some seemed to be under the impression that their hero had merely plagiarised a passage here and there, which seemed forgivable; some reproached the debunkers for going after a man whose own wife had been murdered. Other viewers, more willing to accept the content of the videos, treated 4ème Oeil as folk heroes. And others still, more conspiracy-minded, concluded that Bourgoin was not merely a fabulist but a serial killer. Etienne Jallieu, a pseudonym Bourgoin sometimes used, was a near-anagram of the words “J’ai tué Eileen”: “I killed Eileen.” (“Complete garbage,” Coquelin said. “He didn’t kill Eileen, given that Eileen didn’t exist.”)
After a period of near-silence, in February 2020 Bourgoin announced on Facebook that, in order to devote himself “to the most important project of my life”, he would be closing his page. (He offered no details about this project.) “Furthermore,” he wrote, he had for several weeks been the victim of a “campaign of cyber-harassment and hatred” that put him in mind of the Vichy period, “when informers sent anonymous letters to denounce their neighbours to Pétain’s regime”. He did not address the claims in the videos specifically, but he did make an extensive show of his credentials, in the form of a series of rhetorical questions. “Have all these accusers and informers met even one single serial killer?” he asked. Had they organised “international conferences”, or been invited to appear on “several hundred” television shows? Had they sold out theatres in 26 cities on their 2019 speaking tour? “Of course not,” he said.
The media began to take notice.
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2021/nov/09/secrets-of-top-serial-killer-expert-france-stephane-bourgoin

Jean Paul Twitchell
Jean Paul Twitchell

How are you?
How are you?

Lying in the morning
Lying in the evening

Gail did too
Gail did too

[Etznab]

Post by fife

“They didn’t take us seriously,” Charles recalled. “Because after all, this was Stéphane Bourgoin.” After a few months of unsuccessful efforts, 4ème Oeil decided to publish their findings on their own, in a series of long, detailed and notably angry video compilations, under the title Serial Mytho. (“Mytho” is short, in French, for “mythomaniac”.) No one in the group had any video-making experience to speak of; they posted them to YouTube without fanfare. “We’re not going to kid ourselves, the videos were pretty awful,” Charles said. “We don’t even know how people found them.”
Within the community of francophone crime aficionados, the videos took off. “A lot of people were pissed off,” Charles recalled. Bourgoin fans sent insults, and occasional threats of legal action. Some seemed to be under the impression that their hero had merely plagiarised a passage here and there, which seemed forgivable; some reproached the debunkers for going after a man whose own wife had been murdered. Other viewers, more willing to accept the content of the videos, treated 4ème Oeil as folk heroes. And others still, more conspiracy-minded, concluded that Bourgoin was not merely a fabulist but a serial killer. Etienne Jallieu, a pseudonym Bourgoin sometimes used, was a near-anagram of the words “J’ai tué Eileen”: “I killed Eileen.” (“Complete garbage,” Coquelin said. “He didn’t kill Eileen, given that Eileen didn’t exist.”)
After a period of near-silence, in February 2020 Bourgoin announced on Facebook that, in order to devote himself “to the most important project of my life”, he would be closing his page. (He offered no details about this project.) “Furthermore,” he wrote, he had for several weeks been the victim of a “campaign of cyber-harassment and hatred” that put him in mind of the Vichy period, “when informers sent anonymous letters to denounce their neighbours to Pétain’s regime”. He did not address the claims in the videos specifically, but he did make an extensive show of his credentials, in the form of a series of rhetorical questions. “Have all these accusers and informers met even one single serial killer?” he asked. Had they organised “international conferences”, or been invited to appear on “several hundred” television shows? Had they sold out theatres in 26 cities on their 2019 speaking tour? “Of course not,” he said.
The media began to take notice.
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2021/nov/09/secrets-of-top-serial-killer-expert-france-stephane-bourgoin

Jean Paul Twitchell
Jean Paul Twitchell
How are you?
How are you?
Lying in the morning
Lying in the evening
Gail did too
Gail did too

Fife lying in the morning and evening can't spell John Paul Twitchell. Can't form an intelligible paragraph.

Another person (along with Advice Team) challenged by the English language. It's not even a good poem.

[wernertrp]

Post by Etznab

Post by fife

“They didn’t take us seriously,” Charles recalled. “Because after all, this was Stéphane Bourgoin.” After a few months of unsuccessful efforts, 4ème Oeil decided to publish their findings on their own, in a series of long, detailed and notably angry video compilations, under the title Serial Mytho. (“Mytho” is short, in French, for “mythomaniac”.) No one in the group had any video-making experience to speak of; they posted them to YouTube without fanfare. “We’re not going to kid ourselves, the videos were pretty awful,” Charles said. “We don’t even know how people found them.”
Within the community of francophone crime aficionados, the videos took off. “A lot of people were pissed off,” Charles recalled. Bourgoin fans sent insults, and occasional threats of legal action. Some seemed to be under the impression that their hero had merely plagiarised a passage here and there, which seemed forgivable; some reproached the debunkers for going after a man whose own wife had been murdered. Other viewers, more willing to accept the content of the videos, treated 4ème Oeil as folk heroes. And others still, more conspiracy-minded, concluded that Bourgoin was not merely a fabulist but a serial killer. Etienne Jallieu, a pseudonym Bourgoin sometimes used, was a near-anagram of the words “J’ai tué Eileen”: “I killed Eileen.” (“Complete garbage,” Coquelin said. “He didn’t kill Eileen, given that Eileen didn’t exist.”)
After a period of near-silence, in February 2020 Bourgoin announced on Facebook that, in order to devote himself “to the most important project of my life”, he would be closing his page. (He offered no details about this project.) “Furthermore,” he wrote, he had for several weeks been the victim of a “campaign of cyber-harassment and hatred” that put him in mind of the Vichy period, “when informers sent anonymous letters to denounce their neighbours to Pétain’s regime”. He did not address the claims in the videos specifically, but he did make an extensive show of his credentials, in the form of a series of rhetorical questions. “Have all these accusers and informers met even one single serial killer?” he asked. Had they organised “international conferences”, or been invited to appear on “several hundred” television shows? Had they sold out theatres in 26 cities on their 2019 speaking tour? “Of course not,” he said.
The media began to take notice.
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2021/nov/09/secrets-of-top-serial-killer-expert-france-stephane-bourgoin

Jean Paul Twitchell
Jean Paul Twitchell
How are you?
How are you?
Lying in the morning
Lying in the evening
Gail did too
Gail did too

Fife lying in the morning and evening can't spell John Paul Twitchell. Can't form an intelligible paragraph.
Another person (along with Advice Team) challenged by the English language. It's not even a good poem.

Nur nach einen guten Mittagsmahl sagte Twitchell für 3 Sekunden die Wahrheit.

[Etznab]

Post by Etznab

Post by fife

“They didn’t take us seriously,” Charles recalled. “Because after all, this was Stéphane Bourgoin.” After a few months of unsuccessful efforts, 4ème Oeil decided to publish their findings on their own, in a series of long, detailed and notably angry video compilations, under the title Serial Mytho. (“Mytho” is short, in French, for “mythomaniac”.) No one in the group had any video-making experience to speak of; they posted them to YouTube without fanfare. “We’re not going to kid ourselves, the videos were pretty awful,” Charles said. “We don’t even know how people found them.”
Within the community of francophone crime aficionados, the videos took off. “A lot of people were pissed off,” Charles recalled. Bourgoin fans sent insults, and occasional threats of legal action. Some seemed to be under the impression that their hero had merely plagiarised a passage here and there, which seemed forgivable; some reproached the debunkers for going after a man whose own wife had been murdered. Other viewers, more willing to accept the content of the videos, treated 4ème Oeil as folk heroes. And others still, more conspiracy-minded, concluded that Bourgoin was not merely a fabulist but a serial killer. Etienne Jallieu, a pseudonym Bourgoin sometimes used, was a near-anagram of the words “J’ai tué Eileen”: “I killed Eileen.” (“Complete garbage,” Coquelin said. “He didn’t kill Eileen, given that Eileen didn’t exist.”)
After a period of near-silence, in February 2020 Bourgoin announced on Facebook that, in order to devote himself “to the most important project of my life”, he would be closing his page. (He offered no details about this project.) “Furthermore,” he wrote, he had for several weeks been the victim of a “campaign of cyber-harassment and hatred” that put him in mind of the Vichy period, “when informers sent anonymous letters to denounce their neighbours to Pétain’s regime”. He did not address the claims in the videos specifically, but he did make an extensive show of his credentials, in the form of a series of rhetorical questions. “Have all these accusers and informers met even one single serial killer?” he asked. Had they organised “international conferences”, or been invited to appear on “several hundred” television shows? Had they sold out theatres in 26 cities on their 2019 speaking tour? “Of course not,” he said.
The media began to take notice.
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2021/nov/09/secrets-of-top-serial-killer-expert-france-stephane-bourgoin

Jean Paul Twitchell
Jean Paul Twitchell
How are you?
How are you?
Lying in the morning
Lying in the evening
Gail did too
Gail did too

Fife lying in the morning and evening can't spell John Paul Twitchell. Can't form an intelligible paragraph.
Another person (along with Advice Team) challenged by the English language. It's not even a good poem.

"[...] The only area that I don't think looks good is Paul's lack of crediting his sources, to the point of making it look like he, or Rebazar Tarzs, was the original source. This looks especially bad these days, since copyright law has become much more controlled and publicized. However, it doesn't appear to have been much of a problem while Paul was alive. [... .]" - Doug Marman

https://groups.google.com/g/alt.religion.eckankar/c/Er0VHRTk_sc/m/NQYn-wQ00FIJ

Why does it look especially bad these days?

1. Because it reveals that Paul Twitchell didn't have live face to face conversations with a more than 500-year-old Tibetan, but copied from numerous sources and disguised the sources behind a fictional character!

"Paul fictionalized his accounts, because he was an experienced writer and knew that stories were far more effective than lectures. Paul set himself up as simply a seeker, in The Tiger's Fang, because he knew from experience that people learn very differently from those who come across as authorities, than from someone who they can identify with, who is describing a personal experience. He created the dialog with Rebazar Tarzs, in The Far Country, because this was a much more effective and interesting way of communicating, than simply pontificating." - Doug Marman

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/cHzE0Cdcfy4/M6ZJAPyvTNsJ

This looks especially bad these days too. Why?

Because even while admitting certain truths, this Eckankar spokesperson insists on indulging in the same habits of trickery and deception in order to minimize his "Death of an Ideal".

"[...] And what do I care if he painted fiction to express Truth, or blurred the facts to create his background scenery? It's like a friend who once had a dream where Jesus told him: 'It's all poetry.' [... .]" - Doug Marman

https://groups.google.com/g/alt.religion.eckankar/c/Ojkgn_PP-5Q/m/muTw3THZQ9cJ

Despicable Marman is what comes to mind.

"[...] 3. Did Paul Twitchell copy other writers works? Yes. Well, I guess I can give yes or no answers sometimes.

4. Did Paul Twitchell use other writers words and put his Eck masters names on them as if the Eck Master were saying them? Yes. [... .]"

https://web.archive.org/web/20111113083311/http://www.thetruth-seeker.com/dispBB.aspx?st=268&page=168#m264

Yes and yes says Doug Marman.

So then Where are these "LIVING" eck masters like Rebazar Tarzs and others that Paul Twitchell, that Eckankar, that Eckists have been telling about for NEARLY A HALF CENTURY already? Where is the unbroken lineage of Eckankar masters and others who passed on the teachings to Paul Twitchell, Darwin Gross, Harold Klemp and others? In other words, Where is a REAL eckankar religion based on a real lineage of real masters?

I think Doug and Harold tried hard to tell the truth, even while fudging it at the same time. BUT ISN'T THAT WHAT PAUL TWITCHELL AND THE ECKANKAR FOUNDERS / LAWYERS DID? Isn't that the REAL eckankar is based upon? Half truths, fictions and outright lies in order to embellish the image of religion?

Meaning "dress up (a narration) with fictitious matter"

https://www.etymonline.com/search?q=embellish

[Henosis Sage]

Post by Etznab

Post by Etznab

Post by fife

“They didn’t take us seriously,” Charles recalled. “Because after all, this was Stéphane Bourgoin.” After a few months of unsuccessful efforts, 4ème Oeil decided to publish their findings on their own, in a series of long, detailed and notably angry video compilations, under the title Serial Mytho. (“Mytho” is short, in French, for “mythomaniac”.) No one in the group had any video-making experience to speak of; they posted them to YouTube without fanfare. “We’re not going to kid ourselves, the videos were pretty awful,” Charles said. “We don’t even know how people found them.”
Within the community of francophone crime aficionados, the videos took off. “A lot of people were pissed off,” Charles recalled. Bourgoin fans sent insults, and occasional threats of legal action. Some seemed to be under the impression that their hero had merely plagiarised a passage here and there, which seemed forgivable; some reproached the debunkers for going after a man whose own wife had been murdered. Other viewers, more willing to accept the content of the videos, treated 4ème Oeil as folk heroes. And others still, more conspiracy-minded, concluded that Bourgoin was not merely a fabulist but a serial killer. Etienne Jallieu, a pseudonym Bourgoin sometimes used, was a near-anagram of the words “J’ai tué Eileen”: “I killed Eileen.” (“Complete garbage,” Coquelin said. “He didn’t kill Eileen, given that Eileen didn’t exist.”)
After a period of near-silence, in February 2020 Bourgoin announced on Facebook that, in order to devote himself “to the most important project of my life”, he would be closing his page. (He offered no details about this project.) “Furthermore,” he wrote, he had for several weeks been the victim of a “campaign of cyber-harassment and hatred” that put him in mind of the Vichy period, “when informers sent anonymous letters to denounce their neighbours to Pétain’s regime”. He did not address the claims in the videos specifically, but he did make an extensive show of his credentials, in the form of a series of rhetorical questions. “Have all these accusers and informers met even one single serial killer?” he asked. Had they organised “international conferences”, or been invited to appear on “several hundred” television shows? Had they sold out theatres in 26 cities on their 2019 speaking tour? “Of course not,” he said.
The media began to take notice.
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2021/nov/09/secrets-of-top-serial-killer-expert-france-stephane-bourgoin

Jean Paul Twitchell
Jean Paul Twitchell
How are you?
How are you?
Lying in the morning
Lying in the evening
Gail did too
Gail did too

Fife lying in the morning and evening can't spell John Paul Twitchell. Can't form an intelligible paragraph.
Another person (along with Advice Team) challenged by the English language. It's not even a good poem.

"[...] The only area that I don't think looks good is Paul's lack of crediting his sources, to the point of making it look like he, or Rebazar Tarzs, was the original source. This looks especially bad these days, since copyright law has become much more controlled and publicized. However, it doesn't appear to have been much of a problem while Paul was alive. [... .]" - Doug Marman
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.religion.eckankar/c/Er0VHRTk_sc/m/NQYn-wQ00FIJ
Why does it look especially bad these days?
1. Because it reveals that Paul Twitchell didn't have live face to face conversations with a more than 500-year-old Tibetan, but copied from numerous sources and disguised the sources behind a fictional character!
"Paul fictionalized his accounts, because he was an experienced writer and knew that stories were far more effective than lectures. Paul set himself up as simply a seeker, in The Tiger's Fang, because he knew from experience that people learn very differently from those who come across as authorities, than from someone who they can identify with, who is describing a personal experience. He created the dialog with Rebazar Tarzs, in The Far Country, because this was a much more effective and interesting way of communicating, than simply pontificating." - Doug Marman
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/cHzE0Cdcfy4/M6ZJAPyvTNsJ
This looks especially bad these days too. Why?
Because even while admitting certain truths, this Eckankar spokesperson insists on indulging in the same habits of trickery and deception in order to minimize his "Death of an Ideal".
"[...] And what do I care if he painted fiction to express Truth, or blurred the facts to create his background scenery? It's like a friend who once had a dream where Jesus told him: 'It's all poetry.' [... .]" - Doug Marman
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.religion.eckankar/c/Ojkgn_PP-5Q/m/muTw3THZQ9cJ
Despicable Marman is what comes to mind.
"[...] 3. Did Paul Twitchell copy other writers works? Yes. Well, I guess I can give yes or no answers sometimes.
4. Did Paul Twitchell use other writers words and put his Eck masters names on them as if the Eck Master were saying them? Yes. [... .]"
https://web.archive.org/web/20111113083311/http://www.thetruth-seeker.com/dispBB.aspx?st=268&page=168#m264
Yes and yes says Doug Marman.
So then Where are these "LIVING" eck masters like Rebazar Tarzs and others that Paul Twitchell, that Eckankar, that Eckists have been telling about for NEARLY A HALF CENTURY already? Where is the unbroken lineage of Eckankar masters and others who passed on the teachings to Paul Twitchell, Darwin Gross, Harold Klemp and others? In other words, Where is a REAL eckankar religion based on a real lineage of real masters?
I think Doug and Harold tried hard to tell the truth, even while fudging it at the same time. BUT ISN'T THAT WHAT PAUL TWITCHELL AND THE ECKANKAR FOUNDERS / LAWYERS DID? Isn't that the REAL eckankar is based upon? Half truths, fictions and outright lies in order to embellish the image of religion?
Meaning "dress up (a narration) with fictitious matter"
https://www.etymonline.com/search?q=embellish

And as one a.r.e. poster liked to remark in so many words: Everybody does it. Good stuff!
REALLY? This is the legacy of religion on planet Earth? People painting fiction over the truth to make their little click look better than all the rest? Even going so far as to say God chose them? Like they are a chosen people?
I believe Eckankar even used something like that once. Until better judgement told to stop it.

RE
"This looks especially bad these days, ... it doesn't appear to have been much of a problem while Paul was alive. [... .]" - Doug Marman

MARMAN IS LIAR and AN IDIOT.

It looked just as bad in the 1960s and the 1970s when Paul was repeatedly BUSTED for verbatim copying of others texts ... by ECKISTS, by magazine editors (orion etc), by readers of new age newsletters, by Scientilogy, by radhasoami, by kirpal singh's ruhani, by academics of religion and many others ....

Twitchell was a liar and idiot too. That's why Marman admires him so much, he sees himself in TWITCHELL .. a fraud and a fool.

[Etznab]

Post by Henosis Sage

Post by Etznab

Post by Etznab

Post by fife

“They didn’t take us seriously,” Charles recalled. “Because after all, this was Stéphane Bourgoin.” After a few months of unsuccessful efforts, 4ème Oeil decided to publish their findings on their own, in a series of long, detailed and notably angry video compilations, under the title Serial Mytho. (“Mytho” is short, in French, for “mythomaniac”.) No one in the group had any video-making experience to speak of; they posted them to YouTube without fanfare. “We’re not going to kid ourselves, the videos were pretty awful,” Charles said. “We don’t even know how people found them.”
Within the community of francophone crime aficionados, the videos took off. “A lot of people were pissed off,” Charles recalled. Bourgoin fans sent insults, and occasional threats of legal action. Some seemed to be under the impression that their hero had merely plagiarised a passage here and there, which seemed forgivable; some reproached the debunkers for going after a man whose own wife had been murdered. Other viewers, more willing to accept the content of the videos, treated 4ème Oeil as folk heroes. And others still, more conspiracy-minded, concluded that Bourgoin was not merely a fabulist but a serial killer. Etienne Jallieu, a pseudonym Bourgoin sometimes used, was a near-anagram of the words “J’ai tué Eileen”: “I killed Eileen.” (“Complete garbage,” Coquelin said. “He didn’t kill Eileen, given that Eileen didn’t exist.”)
After a period of near-silence, in February 2020 Bourgoin announced on Facebook that, in order to devote himself “to the most important project of my life”, he would be closing his page. (He offered no details about this project.) “Furthermore,” he wrote, he had for several weeks been the victim of a “campaign of cyber-harassment and hatred” that put him in mind of the Vichy period, “when informers sent anonymous letters to denounce their neighbours to Pétain’s regime”. He did not address the claims in the videos specifically, but he did make an extensive show of his credentials, in the form of a series of rhetorical questions. “Have all these accusers and informers met even one single serial killer?” he asked. Had they organised “international conferences”, or been invited to appear on “several hundred” television shows? Had they sold out theatres in 26 cities on their 2019 speaking tour? “Of course not,” he said.
The media began to take notice.
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2021/nov/09/secrets-of-top-serial-killer-expert-france-stephane-bourgoin

Jean Paul Twitchell
Jean Paul Twitchell
How are you?
How are you?
Lying in the morning
Lying in the evening
Gail did too
Gail did too

Fife lying in the morning and evening can't spell John Paul Twitchell. Can't form an intelligible paragraph.
Another person (along with Advice Team) challenged by the English language. It's not even a good poem.

"[...] The only area that I don't think looks good is Paul's lack of crediting his sources, to the point of making it look like he, or Rebazar Tarzs, was the original source. This looks especially bad these days, since copyright law has become much more controlled and publicized. However, it doesn't appear to have been much of a problem while Paul was alive. [... .]" - Doug Marman
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.religion.eckankar/c/Er0VHRTk_sc/m/NQYn-wQ00FIJ
Why does it look especially bad these days?
1. Because it reveals that Paul Twitchell didn't have live face to face conversations with a more than 500-year-old Tibetan, but copied from numerous sources and disguised the sources behind a fictional character!
"Paul fictionalized his accounts, because he was an experienced writer and knew that stories were far more effective than lectures. Paul set himself up as simply a seeker, in The Tiger's Fang, because he knew from experience that people learn very differently from those who come across as authorities, than from someone who they can identify with, who is describing a personal experience. He created the dialog with Rebazar Tarzs, in The Far Country, because this was a much more effective and interesting way of communicating, than simply pontificating." - Doug Marman
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/cHzE0Cdcfy4/M6ZJAPyvTNsJ
This looks especially bad these days too. Why?
Because even while admitting certain truths, this Eckankar spokesperson insists on indulging in the same habits of trickery and deception in order to minimize his "Death of an Ideal".
"[...] And what do I care if he painted fiction to express Truth, or blurred the facts to create his background scenery? It's like a friend who once had a dream where Jesus told him: 'It's all poetry.' [... .]" - Doug Marman
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.religion.eckankar/c/Ojkgn_PP-5Q/m/muTw3THZQ9cJ
Despicable Marman is what comes to mind.
"[...] 3. Did Paul Twitchell copy other writers works? Yes. Well, I guess I can give yes or no answers sometimes.
4. Did Paul Twitchell use other writers words and put his Eck masters names on them as if the Eck Master were saying them? Yes. [... .]"
https://web.archive.org/web/20111113083311/http://www.thetruth-seeker.com/dispBB.aspx?st=268&page=168#m264
Yes and yes says Doug Marman.
So then Where are these "LIVING" eck masters like Rebazar Tarzs and others that Paul Twitchell, that Eckankar, that Eckists have been telling about for NEARLY A HALF CENTURY already? Where is the unbroken lineage of Eckankar masters and others who passed on the teachings to Paul Twitchell, Darwin Gross, Harold Klemp and others? In other words, Where is a REAL eckankar religion based on a real lineage of real masters?
I think Doug and Harold tried hard to tell the truth, even while fudging it at the same time. BUT ISN'T THAT WHAT PAUL TWITCHELL AND THE ECKANKAR FOUNDERS / LAWYERS DID? Isn't that the REAL eckankar is based upon? Half truths, fictions and outright lies in order to embellish the image of religion?
Meaning "dress up (a narration) with fictitious matter"
https://www.etymonline.com/search?q=embellish

And as one a.r.e. poster liked to remark in so many words: Everybody does it. Good stuff!
REALLY? This is the legacy of religion on planet Earth? People painting fiction over the truth to make their little click look better than all the rest? Even going so far as to say God chose them? Like they are a chosen people?
I believe Eckankar even used something like that once. Until better judgement told to stop it.

RE
"This looks especially bad these days, ... it doesn't appear to have been much of a problem while Paul was alive. [... .]" - Doug Marman
MARMAN IS LIAR and AN IDIOT.
It looked just as bad in the 1960s and the 1970s when Paul was repeatedly BUSTED for verbatim copying of others texts ... by ECKISTS, by magazine editors (orion etc), by readers of new age newsletters, by Scientilogy, by radhasoami, by kirpal singh's ruhani, by academics of religion and many others ....
Twitchell was a liar and idiot too. That's why Marman admires him so much, he sees himself in TWITCHELL .. a fraud and a fool.

Oh my. So articulate and to the point. Why couldn't Eckankar do that and inform everybody about the fictions?

[fife]

Post by Etznab

Post by fife

“They didn’t take us seriously,” Charles recalled. “Because after all, this was Stéphane Bourgoin.” After a few months of unsuccessful efforts, 4ème Oeil decided to publish their findings on their own, in a series of long, detailed and notably angry video compilations, under the title Serial Mytho. (“Mytho” is short, in French, for “mythomaniac”.) No one in the group had any video-making experience to speak of; they posted them to YouTube without fanfare. “We’re not going to kid ourselves, the videos were pretty awful,” Charles said. “We don’t even know how people found them.”
Within the community of francophone crime aficionados, the videos took off. “A lot of people were pissed off,” Charles recalled. Bourgoin fans sent insults, and occasional threats of legal action. Some seemed to be under the impression that their hero had merely plagiarised a passage here and there, which seemed forgivable; some reproached the debunkers for going after a man whose own wife had been murdered. Other viewers, more willing to accept the content of the videos, treated 4ème Oeil as folk heroes. And others still, more conspiracy-minded, concluded that Bourgoin was not merely a fabulist but a serial killer. Etienne Jallieu, a pseudonym Bourgoin sometimes used, was a near-anagram of the words “J’ai tué Eileen”: “I killed Eileen.” (“Complete garbage,” Coquelin said. “He didn’t kill Eileen, given that Eileen didn’t exist.”)
After a period of near-silence, in February 2020 Bourgoin announced on Facebook that, in order to devote himself “to the most important project of my life”, he would be closing his page. (He offered no details about this project.) “Furthermore,” he wrote, he had for several weeks been the victim of a “campaign of cyber-harassment and hatred” that put him in mind of the Vichy period, “when informers sent anonymous letters to denounce their neighbours to Pétain’s regime”. He did not address the claims in the videos specifically, but he did make an extensive show of his credentials, in the form of a series of rhetorical questions. “Have all these accusers and informers met even one single serial killer?” he asked. Had they organised “international conferences”, or been invited to appear on “several hundred” television shows? Had they sold out theatres in 26 cities on their 2019 speaking tour? “Of course not,” he said.
The media began to take notice.
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2021/nov/09/secrets-of-top-serial-killer-expert-france-stephane-bourgoin

Jean Paul Twitchell
Jean Paul Twitchell
How are you?
How are you?
Lying in the morning
Lying in the evening
Gail did too
Gail did too

Fife lying in the morning and evening can't spell John Paul Twitchell. Can't form an intelligible paragraph.
Another person (along with Advice Team) challenged by the English language. It's not even a good poem.

My word, Etznab. How thick are you? And when did you have your humor-ectomy? H.S. was writing about a French mythomaniac. "Jean" is French for John. And what I posted is a takeoff on the nursery rhyme Frere Jacques.

Dormez vous?

[Henosis Sage]

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“They didn’t take us seriously,” Charles recalled. “Because after all, this was Stéphane Bourgoin.” After a few months of unsuccessful efforts, 4ème Oeil decided to publish their findings on their own, in a series of long, detailed and notably angry video compilations, under the title Serial Mytho. (“Mytho” is short, in French, for “mythomaniac”.) No one in the group had any video-making experience to speak of; they posted them to YouTube without fanfare. “We’re not going to kid ourselves, the videos were pretty awful,” Charles said. “We don’t even know how people found them.”
Within the community of francophone crime aficionados, the videos took off. “A lot of people were pissed off,” Charles recalled. Bourgoin fans sent insults, and occasional threats of legal action. Some seemed to be under the impression that their hero had merely plagiarised a passage here and there, which seemed forgivable; some reproached the debunkers for going after a man whose own wife had been murdered. Other viewers, more willing to accept the content of the videos, treated 4ème Oeil as folk heroes. And others still, more conspiracy-minded, concluded that Bourgoin was not merely a fabulist but a serial killer. Etienne Jallieu, a pseudonym Bourgoin sometimes used, was a near-anagram of the words “J’ai tué Eileen”: “I killed Eileen.” (“Complete garbage,” Coquelin said. “He didn’t kill Eileen, given that Eileen didn’t exist.”)
After a period of near-silence, in February 2020 Bourgoin announced on Facebook that, in order to devote himself “to the most important project of my life”, he would be closing his page. (He offered no details about this project.) “Furthermore,” he wrote, he had for several weeks been the victim of a “campaign of cyber-harassment and hatred” that put him in mind of the Vichy period, “when informers sent anonymous letters to denounce their neighbours to Pétain’s regime”. He did not address the claims in the videos specifically, but he did make an extensive show of his credentials, in the form of a series of rhetorical questions. “Have all these accusers and informers met even one single serial killer?” he asked. Had they organised “international conferences”, or been invited to appear on “several hundred” television shows? Had they sold out theatres in 26 cities on their 2019 speaking tour? “Of course not,” he said.
The media began to take notice.
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2021/nov/09/secrets-of-top-serial-killer-expert-france-stephane-bourgoin

Jean Paul Twitchell
Jean Paul Twitchell
How are you?
How are you?
Lying in the morning
Lying in the evening
Gail did too
Gail did too

Fife lying in the morning and evening can't spell John Paul Twitchell. Can't form an intelligible paragraph.
Another person (along with Advice Team) challenged by the English language. It's not even a good poem.

My word, Etznab. How thick are you? And when did you have your humor-ectomy? H.S. was writing about a French mythomaniac. "Jean" is French for John. And what I posted is a takeoff on the nursery rhyme Frere Jacques.
Dormez vous?

So, what is the french name for Jacob then?

And no I sure didn't get the takeoff on the nursery rhyme Frere Jacques either ..... when actually after reading that article in full myself, I thouhgt gosh gee whiz, there is a lot of really good insights and perspectives to be gleaned from that incident .... so it's clear why some things look incredibly weird from where I sit.

there were things which reflected what happened with everyone on any side of the twitchell eckankar 50 year debacle. Be they pro or con. well informed or ignorant of the many hidden facts from the 60s and 70s and the mythomania of one Doug Marman as well as some of the minor errors of Lane and others. the simple amateur youtube review seems like a good option to me now .... maybe it is worth going over the accumlated knowledge and evidence piece by piece in a youtube format ... who knows. But I sure lack the energy and interest level for that.

Look at the crap presented by the idiot Marman making up theories as to why Twitch did xyz and lied about it .... claiming he made up a fiction as a compelling "narrative story" because doing it that was *** "...was a much more effective and interesting way of communicating, than simply pontificating."***

Well guess what. It isn't. and sometimes being witty and clever has the exact same effect. When saying what one really thinks iand really means is oh so much easier to comprehend instead of having to GUESS and ANAL-YSE wtf someone actually means by what they say ....

frankly marman and twitchell (darwin and harold too) are fucking idiots. And so is every other person who supports what they say or do what they do, be it Patti Simpson, Gail Twitchell ... or that other lying psychopath and arsehole L Ron Hubbard ... and everyone else just like them or who sells what they are selling. Fake Radhasomai and Hindu gurus included.

[fife]

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“They didn’t take us seriously,” Charles recalled. “Because after all, this was Stéphane Bourgoin.” After a few months of unsuccessful efforts, 4ème Oeil decided to publish their findings on their own, in a series of long, detailed and notably angry video compilations, under the title Serial Mytho. (“Mytho” is short, in French, for “mythomaniac”.) No one in the group had any video-making experience to speak of; they posted them to YouTube without fanfare. “We’re not going to kid ourselves, the videos were pretty awful,” Charles said. “We don’t even know how people found them.”
Within the community of francophone crime aficionados, the videos took off. “A lot of people were pissed off,” Charles recalled. Bourgoin fans sent insults, and occasional threats of legal action. Some seemed to be under the impression that their hero had merely plagiarised a passage here and there, which seemed forgivable; some reproached the debunkers for going after a man whose own wife had been murdered. Other viewers, more willing to accept the content of the videos, treated 4ème Oeil as folk heroes. And others still, more conspiracy-minded, concluded that Bourgoin was not merely a fabulist but a serial killer. Etienne Jallieu, a pseudonym Bourgoin sometimes used, was a near-anagram of the words “J’ai tué Eileen”: “I killed Eileen.” (“Complete garbage,” Coquelin said. “He didn’t kill Eileen, given that Eileen didn’t exist.”)
After a period of near-silence, in February 2020 Bourgoin announced on Facebook that, in order to devote himself “to the most important project of my life”, he would be closing his page. (He offered no details about this project.) “Furthermore,” he wrote, he had for several weeks been the victim of a “campaign of cyber-harassment and hatred” that put him in mind of the Vichy period, “when informers sent anonymous letters to denounce their neighbours to Pétain’s regime”. He did not address the claims in the videos specifically, but he did make an extensive show of his credentials, in the form of a series of rhetorical questions. “Have all these accusers and informers met even one single serial killer?” he asked. Had they organised “international conferences”, or been invited to appear on “several hundred” television shows? Had they sold out theatres in 26 cities on their 2019 speaking tour? “Of course not,” he said.
The media began to take notice.
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2021/nov/09/secrets-of-top-serial-killer-expert-france-stephane-bourgoin

Jean Paul Twitchell
Jean Paul Twitchell
How are you?
How are you?
Lying in the morning
Lying in the evening
Gail did too
Gail did too

Fife lying in the morning and evening can't spell John Paul Twitchell. Can't form an intelligible paragraph.
Another person (along with Advice Team) challenged by the English language. It's not even a good poem.

My word, Etznab. How thick are you? And when did you have your humor-ectomy? H.S. was writing about a French mythomaniac. "Jean" is French for John. And what I posted is a takeoff on the nursery rhyme Frere Jacques.
Dormez vous?

So, what is the french name for Jacob then?
And no I sure didn't get the takeoff on the nursery rhyme Frere Jacques either ..... when actually after reading that article in full myself, I thouhgt gosh gee whiz, there is a lot of really good insights and perspectives to be gleaned from that incident .... so it's clear why some things look incredibly weird from where I sit.
there were things which reflected what happened with everyone on any side of the twitchell eckankar 50 year debacle. Be they pro or con. well informed or ignorant of the many hidden facts from the 60s and 70s and the mythomania of one Doug Marman as well as some of the minor errors of Lane and others. the simple amateur youtube review seems like a good option to me now .... maybe it is worth going over the accumlated knowledge and evidence piece by piece in a youtube format ... who knows. But I sure lack the energy and interest level for that.
Look at the crap presented by the idiot Marman making up theories as to why Twitch did xyz and lied about it .... claiming he made up a fiction as a compelling "narrative story" because doing it that was *** "...was a much more effective and interesting way of communicating, than simply pontificating."***
Well guess what. It isn't. and sometimes being witty and clever has the exact same effect. When saying what one really thinks iand really means is oh so much easier to comprehend instead of having to GUESS and ANAL-YSE wtf someone actually means by what they say ....
frankly marman and twitchell (darwin and harold too) are fucking idiots. And so is every other person who supports what they say or do what they do, be it Patti Simpson, Gail Twitchell ... or that other lying psychopath and arsehole L Ron Hubbard ... and everyone else just like them or who sells what they are selling. Fake Radhasomai and Hindu gurus included.

Yeah, Jacob. I thought of that later on. But Jacob in French is Jacob. And it doesn't bounce the same in the rhyme as John or Jean. Besides being rather esoteric Twitchell trivia that I think less people are aware of than "John".

There's a lot for people to be angry about when it comes to P.T. if that's what they want to do. But what everyone seems to miss is that he didn't have God consciousness figured out, didn't know what that was. Or he would have described the basic psychology that sets it all off - which he never did. Instead he just threw every idea he ever came across at it - for more reasons than one, including to make fools believe that he was knowledgeable and experienced, and an expert. And that what he was doing was coherent rather than something he was throwing together and rationalizing as he went along.

[Henosis Sage]

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Yeah, Jacob. I thought of that later on. But Jacob in French is Jacob. And it doesn't bounce the same in the rhyme as John or Jean. Besides being rather esoteric Twitchell trivia that I think less people are aware of than "John".
There's a lot for people to be angry about when it comes to P.T. if that's what they want to do. But what everyone seems to miss is that he didn't have God consciousness figured out, didn't know what that was. Or he would have described the basic psychology that sets it all off - which he never did. Instead he just threw every idea he ever came across at it - for more reasons than one, including to make fools believe that he was knowledgeable and experienced, and an expert. And that what he was doing was coherent rather than something he was throwing together and rationalizing as he went along.

re But Jacob in French is Jacob.

lol, mmmm, kind of ruins the rhythm and joke that. :-) and yes, little known too, and not only trivia as such, but trivial points about PT.

RE "something he was throwing together" to appear knowledgeable etc.

true, imo, and a good point. no point in being angry about it either. best to let it go. I;m more pissed about those who came after, post Lane revelations but again no point being angry about it. this stuff happens all the time.

which is what I found so interesting in the article reference. how it effected different people, how different people reacted and so on .. it;s all quite natural and human. been going on for millennia, only on bigger scale in the 20th century. people full of it, full of themselves and other people believing in them.... then what happens when it;s exposed.

WMD in Iraq is the very same thing. The lies and bullshit accusing trump of colluding with russia, of russian hacking and everything else. All bullshit. and yet people some people will always believe it once they have embraced these lies ... and will never ever change. Most will never ever have another look at "the evidence" or lack of it rather.

same with twitchell, same with Marman, same with klemp and many other people and past beliefs about things issues ... we have met the enemy and he is us.

It would be nice to learn about some of the known unknowns and so on about him but frankly he doesn't deserve the attention anymore. none of it really matters anyway. what he got right or wrong. it's a long dead saga, and is best buried now.

how we live our own lives now and our values etc is what matters. so may who passed thru a.r.e at some point all go in peace.

[Henosis Sage]

“They didn’t take us seriously,” Charles recalled. “Because after all, this was Stéphane Bourgoin.” After a few months of unsuccessful efforts, 4ème Oeil decided to publish their findings on their own, in a series of long, detailed and notably angry video compilations, under the title Serial Mytho. (“Mytho” is short, in French, for “mythomaniac”.) No one in the group had any video-making experience to speak of; they posted them to YouTube without fanfare. “We’re not going to kid ourselves, the videos were pretty awful,” Charles said. “We don’t even know how people found them.”
Within the community of francophone crime aficionados, the videos took off. “A lot of people were pissed off,” Charles recalled. Bourgoin fans sent insults, and occasional threats of legal action. Some seemed to be under the impression that their hero had merely plagiarised a passage here and there, which seemed forgivable; some reproached the debunkers for going after a man whose own wife had been murdered. Other viewers, more willing to accept the content of the videos, treated 4ème Oeil as folk heroes. And others still, more conspiracy-minded, concluded that Bourgoin was not merely a fabulist but a serial killer. Etienne Jallieu, a pseudonym Bourgoin sometimes used, was a near-anagram of the words “J’ai tué Eileen”: “I killed Eileen.” (“Complete garbage,” Coquelin said. “He didn’t kill Eileen, given that Eileen didn’t exist.”)
After a period of near-silence, in February 2020 Bourgoin announced on Facebook that, in order to devote himself “to the most important project of my life”, he would be closing his page. (He offered no details about this project.) “Furthermore,” he wrote, he had for several weeks been the victim of a “campaign of cyber-harassment and hatred” that put him in mind of the Vichy period, “when informers sent anonymous letters to denounce their neighbours to Pétain’s regime”. He did not address the claims in the videos specifically, but he did make an extensive show of his credentials, in the form of a series of rhetorical questions. “Have all these accusers and informers met even one single serial killer?” he asked. Had they organised “international conferences”, or been invited to appear on “several hundred” television shows? Had they sold out theatres in 26 cities on their 2019 speaking tour? “Of course not,” he said.
The media began to take notice.
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2021/nov/09/secrets-of-top-serial-killer-expert-france-stephane-bourgoin

Here's an accompanying idea and resource.

On the Road to God-Realization ...... (is it even a thing? I doubt it, but anyway just in case ...)

The Anatomy of Melancholy has always been a text that has dazzled and confounded its readers in equal measure.

Now, exactly 400 years after it was published, an academic has painstakingly traced the meaning of thousands of its sphinxlike allusions, enigmatic references and arcane quotations, allowing Robert Burton’s famous text to be fully understood for the very first time.

In some ways, the text is like “an early modern self-help book”

"There’s a kind of therapeutic aspect to the text, a pre-modern notion of self-knowledge.”

Over the centuries its legion of admirers has included literary figures such as Samuel Johnson, John Keats, George Eliot, Virginia Woolf and, more recently, Philip Pullman. “One of the reasons it has appealed to people is because it is not about a particular disease, but about any condition of irrationality or strong and destructive emotions. And it presents ways of thinking about these conditions that are not just medical, but also moral and spiritual,” he said.

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2021/jun/27/be-not-solitary-be-not-idle-secrets-of-400-year-old-self-help-book-unlocked

Come one come all let us make a Religion out of it, shall we? :-)