Post by EtznabBack in the latter 1990s it was, after about ten years a member of Eckankar, I looked at some truth(s) about Eckankar. Truths that I didn't want to believe for the simple reason that Eckankar (the religion) never told me about them, but truth(s) nonetheless.
Here is what I eventually learned. I learned that those truths would become more and more widely shared and it would become more and more impossible to ignore them. I learned that as a member of Eckankar I would have to admit those truths like it, or not.
Filling in the blanks of what one really doesn't know with imaginary answers in order not to be ignorant is what so many orthodox religions often do. Especially with regard to history. So what about the seeker of truth? What about one who desires to follow the path of truth? Why not have the truth and have the truth in a religion like Eckankar? Well, maybe that can't happen from people who don't know the truth, but want to fill in the blanks with what they imagine, want to imagine, or what somebody imagined for them instead.
The truth is critically important and often the only common ground upon which people of various religious sects can stand together; provided they all acknowledge it. Not only people of different religious sects, but people from all walks of like. In fact it is what can keep people safe and society functioning in a spirit of true cooperation. It can be very dangerous to corrupt the truth. It can cause a lot of chaos and death.
Look at this history.
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.religion.eckankar/c/nUndp0EP3a0/m/LA7DiEAZFQAJ
Tell me what is so wrong about telling the truth when it comes to "Eckankar" and the paths broken off from it. And why should any member of Eckankar settle for less.
I believe Eckankar, the religion, can go a lot farther if it remains true to its name and follows the path of truth. What is true and real vs. what is not. And why some people want to make truth into poop and piss (Kinpa & Fife) is a lesson for the ages. A lesson in what happens when people can't handle the actual truth. Imagining truth like poop-throwing monkeys and piss ants who belong to the same truth-fearing cult.
Still ranting? It is an obsession for you! You said a funny and hypocritical thing in the first post,
"Filling in the blanks of what one really doesn't know with imaginary answers in order not to be ignorant is what so many orthodox religions often do."
Are you seriously claiming to NOT be filling in any imaginary answers to things you simply do not know? Because you do it frequently. I called you out about that over your claim that Rebazar Tarzs is nothing more than a fictional character used to frame Paul Twitchell's "plagiarisms" in an acceptable (to your mind) way. That is a thing you can't possibly prove true. Yes I saw your quotes, the plagiarism in question, however plagiarism is a separate matter entirely than the very existence of an individual. Proving that plagiarism was used in a book and the words credited to Rebazar Tarzs in no way proves that no such entity exists. Your one example doesn't prove more than one thing. It comes nowhere even close to proving your 2nd assertion.
They are two different things. You can't even prove that the individual in question's actual birth name was Rebazar Tarzs, rather than just a creation because any human with a physical lifespan as long as the one he is reported to have and maintain currently, would never be able to use the same name without being hunted down by the local population that were aware of the name and the apparent non-aging over time. That is common sense. However, that hardly proves the individual doesn't even exist. Your OPINION is that he is a creation used by Twitchell to use plagiarized phrases in books. Nothing more. The rest that you add on based on that one piece of material is your own creation/assumption/choice of interpretation/understanding of why it happened. But none of that is proven.
Your opinions (and everyone else's too) are exactly the same as an anal orifice in that while something may issue forth from it, not everyone cares to experience it closely because none of it smells real good. That having not one thing to do with any plagiarism or anything else. It is just simple fact and applies to every human. You're certainly entitled to your opinions, and some might even agree with them, but neither prove them true. Each time you use those to make a claim and purport it to be the truth, it is a lie because you simply cannot prove that.
You can choose to believe that all of the ECK Masters previous to the three that we know are fictions and don't exist, but you have no way of ever proving that. You just try to use mere plagiarism to make it something bigger than it really is, and that is where your lies begin. The "truth" you claim to have found out that you didn't want to accept, are just not that hard for everyone else to accept and move beyond, which is why so many think them no big deal. And many do think exactly that. If you have actual evidence that isn't plagiarism, that proves no suck Masters exist at all, then stop running your mouth and get to presenting it. It is no wonder why you enjoy getting ANY response from anyone at all as much as you do. You're tired of ranting to yourself here. No one thinks it very important. Your assertions do not much of anything. You have every right to believe them, but no one has to care. So why not do something worth everyone's time and attention, prove to us that these individuals do NOT exist, and that no one interacts with them at all.
Start with the cold hard evidence, just don't use plagiarism because that is quite irrelevant. Truly irrelevant. A thing can be plagiarized and still be 100% true. The fact that one religion or another used it 20 centuries ago hardly makes its being used in Eckankar suddenly a falsehood. If it works, it works for anyone who applies it. And people have been doing exactly that for more centuries than you are even aware of having existed. Plagiarism is meaningless without the internet, and without it, it would become a useful and necessary tool for education as it once was. But that might be beyond your ability to view and understand being that you are so overly attached to it being a crime of some sort. That is a very recent development, and one that won't last forever. You'd have a hard life in a world where plagiarism isn't important or illegal, because you'd have no fulfillment in your own life. You seem to never spend any attention on anything else. Perhaps you should write David Lane and thank him for giving you a thing to live for....it seems to have become your entire existence.
The two of you could talk smack about Eckankar and agree with one another too. Eckankar would still exist however. Unchanged by anything any of you have thought, said or written. But don't let me distract you, you are supposed to provide some solid, non-plagiarism evidence that these ECK Masters are fictions. Get to it. Or admit that you can't. I'd accept either.
Blah blah blah blah blah.
If you have actual evidence that isn't plagiarism, that proves no suck Masters exist at all, then stop running your mouth and get to presenting it….
Yeah, SUCK masters . Exactly! Open mouth - insert foot. 🦶