My very simple request to Fife ..... now I am labelled as CRAZY

Post by Henosis Sage
FIFE SAYS TO EZTNAB

ME SPEAKING TO FIFE
That's curious "fife" because I have never seen you address eckankar with ontology and epistemology lines or in regard to justifying your own past and current beliefs here ... and it's been years and years so far.
What are your beliefs besides you opine eztnab is a pain in your neck - period - for years possibly decades now?
Would you be so kind to show him and I and future readers here how to question Eckankar and it's ontology and epistemology and describe your own beliefs are of Eckankar and what have you decided is the truth about all this??????????
THANKS IN ADVANCE ..... Seaniekins
PS
You might go the whole hog and tell us what you believe about Harold, and Twitchell, and Marman and Matt Sharpe while you're at it.
ORIGINAL REF THREAD ....
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.religion.eckankar/c/8uMk2FC1cvQ/m/S-XW5JK1FQAJ
If you really want to question Eckankar ???????????????????????????
HUH?

I don't need Fife's permission to question and discover what is fact vs. fiction. Fife (and Kinpa) only want to control what others write here. That's why they are constantly stating what other people mean, when it is really what they think / imagine other people mean. Believe it, or not this is what many people hate the most about Eckankar. Others trying to tell them what they really mean, instead of acknowledging what the others actually do mean. It smacks of control, like hungry wolves looking on others as so many chicken dinners. Harold Klemp, the leader of Eckankar admonished his clergy about doing this and how it is like an atomic bomb exploding over a city.

"In fact, for a very long time I have been inclined to think that this HI Letter was also directed at Doug Marman specifically."

https://groups.google.com/g/alt.religion.eckankar/c/HUR2F1bJ6sg/m/DpKO4FbUBwAJ

Henosis Sage

2022-04-16 10:28:35 UTC

Post by Henosis Sage
FIFE SAYS TO EZTNAB

ME SPEAKING TO FIFE
That's curious "fife" because I have never seen you address eckankar with ontology and epistemology lines or in regard to justifying your own past and current beliefs here ... and it's been years and years so far.
What are your beliefs besides you opine eztnab is a pain in your neck - period - for years possibly decades now?
Would you be so kind to show him and I and future readers here how to question Eckankar and it's ontology and epistemology and describe your own beliefs are of Eckankar and what have you decided is the truth about all this??????????
THANKS IN ADVANCE ..... Seaniekins
PS
You might go the whole hog and tell us what you believe about Harold, and Twitchell, and Marman and Matt Sharpe while you're at it.
ORIGINAL REF THREAD ....
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.religion.eckankar/c/8uMk2FC1cvQ/m/S-XW5JK1FQAJ
If you really want to question Eckankar ???????????????????????????
HUH?

I don't need Fife's permission to question and discover what is fact vs. fiction. Fife (and Kinpa) only want to control what others write here. That's why they are constantly stating what other people mean, when it is really what they think / imagine other people mean. Believe it, or not this is what many people hate the most about Eckankar. Others trying to tell them what they really mean, instead of acknowledging what the others actually do mean. It smacks of control, like hungry wolves looking on others as so many chicken dinners. Harold Klemp, the leader of Eckankar admonished his clergy about doing this and how it is like an atomic bomb exploding over a city.
"In fact, for a very long time I have been inclined to think that this HI Letter was also directed at Doug Marman specifically."
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.religion.eckankar/c/HUR2F1bJ6sg/m/DpKO4FbUBwAJ

i'm sure it was directed at marman and patti simpson et al too .... there was a whole bunch of them back then ...

mind you there was also the aggressive nasty died in the wool believers in bright future[ full of wolves that was] ... marman was one of them too .... but later went off on his own extreme " guru path making enterprise"

then there are the typical power hungry out of control HIs and resa everywhere.... klemp was always too gutless and weak to confront the, directly for bad behaviours. a note in HI letter is weak, not leadership.

anyways ... the myth goes on and on ..... and HK is in his last days now .... then what happens???

FIFE might take over and fix it ..... put out his list of what is and all the eckists will see the light???

Maybe KINPOOP will finally be acknowledged as the grand master he always imagined he is???? '

ROTFLMFAO

Henosis Sage

2022-04-16 12:11:02 UTC

Post by Henosis Sage
FIFE SAYS TO EZTNAB

ME SPEAKING TO FIFE
That's curious "fife" because I have never seen you address eckankar with ontology and epistemology lines or in regard to justifying your own past and current beliefs here ... and it's been years and years so far.
What are your beliefs besides you opine eztnab is a pain in your neck - period - for years possibly decades now?
Would you be so kind to show him and I and future readers here how to question Eckankar and it's ontology and epistemology and describe your own beliefs are of Eckankar and what have you decided is the truth about all this??????????
THANKS IN ADVANCE ..... Seaniekins
PS
You might go the whole hog and tell us what you believe about Harold, and Twitchell, and Marman and Matt Sharpe while you're at it.
ORIGINAL REF THREAD ....
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.religion.eckankar/c/8uMk2FC1cvQ/m/S-XW5JK1FQAJ
If you really want to question Eckankar ???????????????????????????
HUH?

I don't need Fife's permission to question and discover what is fact vs. fiction. Fife (and Kinpa) only want to control what others write here. That's why they are constantly stating what other people mean, when it is really what they think / imagine other people mean. Believe it, or not this is what many people hate the most about Eckankar. Others trying to tell them what they really mean, instead of acknowledging what the others actually do mean. It smacks of control, like hungry wolves looking on others as so many chicken dinners. Harold Klemp, the leader of Eckankar admonished his clergy about doing this and how it is like an atomic bomb exploding over a city.
"In fact, for a very long time I have been inclined to think that this HI Letter was also directed at Doug Marman specifically."
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.religion.eckankar/c/HUR2F1bJ6sg/m/DpKO4FbUBwAJ

i'm sure it was directed at marman and patti simpson et al too .... there was a whole bunch of them back then ...
mind you there was also the aggressive nasty died in the wool believers in bright future[ full of wolves that was] ... marman was one of them too .... but later went off on his own extreme " guru path making enterprise"
then there are the typical power hungry out of control HIs and resa everywhere.... klemp was always too gutless and weak to confront the, directly for bad behaviours. a note in HI letter is weak, not leadership.
anyways ... the myth goes on and on ..... and HK is in his last days now .... then what happens???
FIFE might take over and fix it ..... put out his list of what is and all the eckists will see the light???
Maybe KINPOOP will finally be acknowledged as the grand master he always imagined he is???? '
ROTFLMFAO

The point is, imho, very few and far between does anyone ever show up to actually discuss their own opinions aboiut eckankar, it;s history and credibility as a teaching pro or con, and even fewer arrive to share some genuine factual historical or contemporary info about eckankar and even fewer still ever have anything to say about their own personal first hand experiences be they of a spiritual/psychic nature or something about eckankar in real life.

99% show up here to bitch and moan about people already making comments and false accusations about them (aka fantasyland rubbish) on this forum ... which gets kind of tedious to say the least.

Kinpa

2022-04-16 17:20:51 UTC

Post by Henosis Sage
FIFE SAYS TO EZTNAB

ME SPEAKING TO FIFE
That's curious "fife" because I have never seen you address eckankar with ontology and epistemology lines or in regard to justifying your own past and current beliefs here ... and it's been years and years so far.
What are your beliefs besides you opine eztnab is a pain in your neck - period - for years possibly decades now?
Would you be so kind to show him and I and future readers here how to question Eckankar and it's ontology and epistemology and describe your own beliefs are of Eckankar and what have you decided is the truth about all this??????????
THANKS IN ADVANCE ..... Seaniekins
PS
You might go the whole hog and tell us what you believe about Harold, and Twitchell, and Marman and Matt Sharpe while you're at it.
ORIGINAL REF THREAD ....
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.religion.eckankar/c/8uMk2FC1cvQ/m/S-XW5JK1FQAJ
If you really want to question Eckankar ???????????????????????????
HUH?

I don't need Fife's permission to question and discover what is fact vs. fiction. Fife (and Kinpa) only want to control what others write here. That's why they are constantly stating what other people mean, when it is really what they think / imagine other people mean. Believe it, or not this is what many people hate the most about Eckankar. Others trying to tell them what they really mean, instead of acknowledging what the others actually do mean. It smacks of control, like hungry wolves looking on others as so many chicken dinners. Harold Klemp, the leader of Eckankar admonished his clergy about doing this and how it is like an atomic bomb exploding over a city.
"In fact, for a very long time I have been inclined to think that this HI Letter was also directed at Doug Marman specifically."
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.religion.eckankar/c/HUR2F1bJ6sg/m/DpKO4FbUBwAJ

i'm sure it was directed at marman and patti simpson et al too .... there was a whole bunch of them back then ...
mind you there was also the aggressive nasty died in the wool believers in bright future[ full of wolves that was] ... marman was one of them too .... but later went off on his own extreme " guru path making enterprise"
then there are the typical power hungry out of control HIs and resa everywhere.... klemp was always too gutless and weak to confront the, directly for bad behaviours. a note in HI letter is weak, not leadership.
anyways ... the myth goes on and on ..... and HK is in his last days now .... then what happens???
FIFE might take over and fix it ..... put out his list of what is and all the eckists will see the light???
Maybe KINPOOP will finally be acknowledged as the grand master he always imagined he is???? '
ROTFLMFAO

The point is, imho, very few and far between does anyone ever show up to actually discuss their own opinions aboiut eckankar, it;s history and credibility as a teaching pro or con, and even fewer arrive to share some genuine factual historical or contemporary info about eckankar and even fewer still ever have anything to say about their own personal first hand experiences be they of a spiritual/psychic nature or something about eckankar in real life.
99% show up here to bitch and moan about people already making comments and false accusations about them (aka fantasyland rubbish) on this forum ... which gets kind of tedious to say the least.

The same goes for your research. If no one finds it interesting, they won't bother to comment. None of it has been earthshaking or even matters in the long run. You can over inflate your own self importance in regard to Eckankar, but they don't even know you exist or care. I doubt that will ever change during your life either.

Henosis Sage

2022-04-17 02:58:13 UTC

Post by Henosis Sage
FIFE SAYS TO EZTNAB

ME SPEAKING TO FIFE
That's curious "fife" because I have never seen you address eckankar with ontology and epistemology lines or in regard to justifying your own past and current beliefs here ... and it's been years and years so far.
What are your beliefs besides you opine eztnab is a pain in your neck - period - for years possibly decades now?
Would you be so kind to show him and I and future readers here how to question Eckankar and it's ontology and epistemology and describe your own beliefs are of Eckankar and what have you decided is the truth about all this??????????
THANKS IN ADVANCE ..... Seaniekins
PS
You might go the whole hog and tell us what you believe about Harold, and Twitchell, and Marman and Matt Sharpe while you're at it.
ORIGINAL REF THREAD ....
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.religion.eckankar/c/8uMk2FC1cvQ/m/S-XW5JK1FQAJ
If you really want to question Eckankar ???????????????????????????
HUH?

I don't need Fife's permission to question and discover what is fact vs. fiction. Fife (and Kinpa) only want to control what others write here. That's why they are constantly stating what other people mean, when it is really what they think / imagine other people mean. Believe it, or not this is what many people hate the most about Eckankar. Others trying to tell them what they really mean, instead of acknowledging what the others actually do mean. It smacks of control, like hungry wolves looking on others as so many chicken dinners. Harold Klemp, the leader of Eckankar admonished his clergy about doing this and how it is like an atomic bomb exploding over a city.
"In fact, for a very long time I have been inclined to think that this HI Letter was also directed at Doug Marman specifically."
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.religion.eckankar/c/HUR2F1bJ6sg/m/DpKO4FbUBwAJ

i'm sure it was directed at marman and patti simpson et al too .... there was a whole bunch of them back then ...
mind you there was also the aggressive nasty died in the wool believers in bright future[ full of wolves that was] ... marman was one of them too .... but later went off on his own extreme " guru path making enterprise"
then there are the typical power hungry out of control HIs and resa everywhere.... klemp was always too gutless and weak to confront the, directly for bad behaviours. a note in HI letter is weak, not leadership.
anyways ... the myth goes on and on ..... and HK is in his last days now .... then what happens???
FIFE might take over and fix it ..... put out his list of what is and all the eckists will see the light???
Maybe KINPOOP will finally be acknowledged as the grand master he always imagined he is???? '
ROTFLMFAO

The point is, imho, very few and far between does anyone ever show up to actually discuss their own opinions aboiut eckankar, it;s history and credibility as a teaching pro or con, and even fewer arrive to share some genuine factual historical or contemporary info about eckankar and even fewer still ever have anything to say about their own personal first hand experiences be they of a spiritual/psychic nature or something about eckankar in real life.
99% show up here to bitch and moan about people already making comments and false accusations about them (aka fantasyland rubbish) on this forum ... which gets kind of tedious to say the least.

again he shows up here to bitch and moan about people already making comments and false accusations about them (aka fantasyland rubbish) on this forum ... I can't begrudge you a laugh, have at it. I hope that that isn't all that you have to enjoy.

Must be desperate for attention to be slumming here where no one comes or is interested in talking about anything .... come on entertain us tell all about your grand spiritual mastery .... are you an 8th in eckankar yet matt?
giving talks at eck seminars educating the newbies how to be spiritual and live a life of decency?
a ninth like patti simpson yet?
or have surged ahead to be a living eck master like doug marman asserts he is yet?

mmmm, don't hide your light under a bushell mate .... tell the world what an important and talented eck master you are!!!

how many new eckists have you brought into the fold now? 50? 100? 200? more?

you're the best mate. I'm so jealous.

Because so very few people are as crazy and sick as JR Clarke or Hunter Reon Barnes. But you sure are.

How's the family, the ex-wives and kids doing mate? Still getting screwed over by you no doubt?

LOSER

Henosis Sage

2022-04-17 03:05:14 UTC

On Sunday, 17 April 2022 at 12:58:14 UTC+10, Henosis Sage wrote:

PAUL TWITCHELL ECKANKAR HISTORY ARCHIVE
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B-M0yAR0UPhPalFWRzl6YmlmM00
Best of PTHA TEHA
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B-M0yAR0UPhPSzVjakxZNUhoblE

KINPA Matthew M Sharpe SHABDA an Eckankar Vahana @ LightForce Network
( includes hidden - FBI REPORTS MichSexyCpl Profiles SCAT photos archived Copies )
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B-M0yAR0UPhPbWg1VTVacFl0WFk

He's such a class act this one.

Henosis Sage

2022-04-17 04:25:34 UTC

I guess addressing the request was too much for fife so he ended up sending his Doppelgänger to speak for himself instead.

But Doppelgänger seems no better than fife at using Ontology and Epistemology to describe what his own beliefs are about Eckankar are or what / why he hath decided what is the truth about all this. There's a history of complete silence on these matters.

When it comes to speaking from theirown personal experience/s and the foundation of their knowledge and beliefs they are both speechless.

And it would be great to hear what Fifie thinks about Kinpa's / Matt Sharpe's assertions about plagiarism, non-fake masters, his eckankar beliefs, inner travels, meeting with RT, his many Logical Fallacies and the BS rhetoric as a committed public promoter of Twitchell, Marman and Eckankar, and all that jazz. ooops that'd take us into the fields of Ontology and Epistemology ... so maybe nothing will said. Yet again. Ask a simple question get a cone of silence instead.

But Fife will love him complaining about and pillorying etznab and me though ..... the enemy of your enemies are your friends. We're the "crazy"ones, right?

Oh Nanak, Silence is golden!

Henosis Sage

2022-04-17 04:35:24 UTC

to be really clear .... this is the topic of this thread

**** My very simple request to Fife ..... Would you be so kind to show him and I and future readers here how to question Eckankar and it's ontology and epistemology and describe your own beliefs are of Eckankar and what have you decided is the truth about all this? ****

[ ps no need to explain everything, just a few examples of how you fife have gone about it .... serious question/request, i am curious. david lane often mentioned competing ontologies too, i had never heard of that term back then. ]

But really stick to the topic if at all possible.

The topic is about Eckankar, not me, not the Doppelgänger and not etznab.

Henosis Sage

2022-04-18 07:57:13 UTC

Post by Henosis Sage
to be really clear .... this is the topic of this thread
**** My very simple request to Fife ..... Would you be so kind to show him and I and future readers here how to question Eckankar and it's ontology and epistemology and describe your own beliefs are of Eckankar and what have you decided is the truth about all this? ****
[ ps no need to explain everything, just a few examples of how you fife have gone about it .... serious question/request, i am curious. david lane often mentioned competing ontologies too, i had never heard of that term back then. ]
But really stick to the topic if at all possible.
The topic is about Eckankar, not me, not the Doppelgänger and not etznab.

Another day passes and still no response from Fife.

THat's fine, his choice.

But is such a big ask? To explain by way of example how to evaluate Eckankar using ontology/epistemology framings? To show what it is about, means and what is wrong with it ..... ???

Just a few examples? No?

Oh well. Can only ask. I guess it is a do as I say thingy, not a do as I do teaching method.

Kinpa

2022-04-17 15:23:49 UTC

Post by Henosis Sage
I guess addressing the request was too much for fife so he ended up sending his Doppelgänger to speak for himself instead.
But Doppelgänger seems no better than fife at using Ontology and Epistemology to describe what his own beliefs are about Eckankar are or what / why he hath decided what is the truth about all this. There's a history of complete silence on these matters.
When it comes to speaking from theirown personal experience/s and the foundation of their knowledge and beliefs they are both speechless.
And it would be great to hear what Fifie thinks about Kinpa's / Matt Sharpe's assertions about plagiarism, non-fake masters, his eckankar beliefs, inner travels, meeting with RT, his many Logical Fallacies and the BS rhetoric as a committed public promoter of Twitchell, Marman and Eckankar, and all that jazz. ooops that'd take us into the fields of Ontology and Epistemology ... so maybe nothing will said. Yet again. Ask a simple question get a cone of silence instead.
But Fife will love him complaining about and pillorying etznab and me though ..... the enemy of your enemies are your friends. We're the "crazy"ones, right?
Oh Nanak, Silence is golden!

No doppelganger, just me. Feel free to prove that this fife person and I are one and the same. We aren't. But I've mentioned that fact a number of times haven't I? No point repeating it again. See this is one of those ways that I've been living in your mind rent free. Perhaps you should evict "me," if you're strong and self controlled enough to accomplish that.

Henosis Sage

2022-04-18 07:48:37 UTC

I know the truth. I have the proof.

Your the one who can't stay away ..... despite saying you don't even care .... sure .... people can read what you say. You're an obsessive fanatic bent out of shape. A clown, a fool, a lying pathetic narcissist. Simply true.

The proof is everywhere, here and on LFN and other forums and on my archive too ......

FOR JESUS SAID --- SEEK AND THOU SHALT FIND
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B-M0yAR0UPhPalFWRzl6YmlmM00

Kinpa

2022-04-17 15:21:04 UTC

Post by Henosis Sage
FIFE SAYS TO EZTNAB

ME SPEAKING TO FIFE
That's curious "fife" because I have never seen you address eckankar with ontology and epistemology lines or in regard to justifying your own past and current beliefs here ... and it's been years and years so far.
What are your beliefs besides you opine eztnab is a pain in your neck - period - for years possibly decades now?
Would you be so kind to show him and I and future readers here how to question Eckankar and it's ontology and epistemology and describe your own beliefs are of Eckankar and what have you decided is the truth about all this??????????
THANKS IN ADVANCE ..... Seaniekins
PS
You might go the whole hog and tell us what you believe about Harold, and Twitchell, and Marman and Matt Sharpe while you're at it.
ORIGINAL REF THREAD ....
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.religion.eckankar/c/8uMk2FC1cvQ/m/S-XW5JK1FQAJ
If you really want to question Eckankar ???????????????????????????
HUH?

I don't need Fife's permission to question and discover what is fact vs. fiction. Fife (and Kinpa) only want to control what others write here. That's why they are constantly stating what other people mean, when it is really what they think / imagine other people mean. Believe it, or not this is what many people hate the most about Eckankar. Others trying to tell them what they really mean, instead of acknowledging what the others actually do mean. It smacks of control, like hungry wolves looking on others as so many chicken dinners. Harold Klemp, the leader of Eckankar admonished his clergy about doing this and how it is like an atomic bomb exploding over a city.
"In fact, for a very long time I have been inclined to think that this HI Letter was also directed at Doug Marman specifically."
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.religion.eckankar/c/HUR2F1bJ6sg/m/DpKO4FbUBwAJ

i'm sure it was directed at marman and patti simpson et al too .... there was a whole bunch of them back then ...
mind you there was also the aggressive nasty died in the wool believers in bright future[ full of wolves that was] ... marman was one of them too .... but later went off on his own extreme " guru path making enterprise"
then there are the typical power hungry out of control HIs and resa everywhere.... klemp was always too gutless and weak to confront the, directly for bad behaviours. a note in HI letter is weak, not leadership.
anyways ... the myth goes on and on ..... and HK is in his last days now .... then what happens???
FIFE might take over and fix it ..... put out his list of what is and all the eckists will see the light???
Maybe KINPOOP will finally be acknowledged as the grand master he always imagined he is???? '
ROTFLMFAO

The point is, imho, very few and far between does anyone ever show up to actually discuss their own opinions aboiut eckankar, it;s history and credibility as a teaching pro or con, and even fewer arrive to share some genuine factual historical or contemporary info about eckankar and even fewer still ever have anything to say about their own personal first hand experiences be they of a spiritual/psychic nature or something about eckankar in real life.
99% show up here to bitch and moan about people already making comments and false accusations about them (aka fantasyland rubbish) on this forum ... which gets kind of tedious to say the least.

again he shows up here to bitch and moan about people already making comments and false accusations about them (aka fantasyland rubbish) on this forum ... I can't begrudge you a laugh, have at it. I hope that that isn't all that you have to enjoy.
Must be desperate for attention to be slumming here where no one comes or is interested in talking about anything .... come on entertain us tell all about your grand spiritual mastery .... are you an 8th in eckankar yet matt?
giving talks at eck seminars educating the newbies how to be spiritual and live a life of decency?
a ninth like patti simpson yet?
or have surged ahead to be a living eck master like doug marman asserts he is yet?
mmmm, don't hide your light under a bushell mate .... tell the world what an important and talented eck master you are!!!
how many new eckists have you brought into the fold now? 50? 100? 200? more?
you're the best mate. I'm so jealous.
Because so very few people are as crazy and sick as JR Clarke or Hunter Reon Barnes. But you sure are.
How's the family, the ex-wives and kids doing mate? Still getting screwed over by you no doubt?
LOSER

You're again mistaken. I did no bitching nor moaning. Stop flattering yourself son. What difference could it possibly make to you or anyone else how many people I've "brought" into Eckankar? I'm not important, but I am talented. I still am not an ECK Master however. I guess that is your way of going all second grade name calling on me. Nice ad hominem fallacy there, attacking me personally because you get nowhere attacking the teaching themselves. Typical. I never expected you to be able to do any better because you haven't in many years.

As for my ex wives, they're all remarried and as far as I know doing fine. My children are also doing very well and my child support is as always, paid in full. Therefore no one is "still getting screwed over by" me at all. That drama you imagine exists in your mind. I find it comical that I apparently live there rent free and have for so many years. Why is that?

Let it go already. Isn't it about time to move on and find something else to do with yourself? Or is ARE all you have to do? LOL, your choice. It doesn't seem like a worthy one, but that is your responsibility, not mine. Gladly you occupy no space in my brain and I won't think of this again once i leave. You seriously ought to consider doing the same for your own sake, unless this is some sort of addiction for you. In that case professional help might be required. In any case, good luck with that. Have a nice day (or night).

Henosis Sage

2022-04-18 07:50:22 UTC

Post by Henosis Sage
FIFE SAYS TO EZTNAB

ME SPEAKING TO FIFE
That's curious "fife" because I have never seen you address eckankar with ontology and epistemology lines or in regard to justifying your own past and current beliefs here ... and it's been years and years so far.
What are your beliefs besides you opine eztnab is a pain in your neck - period - for years possibly decades now?
Would you be so kind to show him and I and future readers here how to question Eckankar and it's ontology and epistemology and describe your own beliefs are of Eckankar and what have you decided is the truth about all this??????????
THANKS IN ADVANCE ..... Seaniekins
PS
You might go the whole hog and tell us what you believe about Harold, and Twitchell, and Marman and Matt Sharpe while you're at it.
ORIGINAL REF THREAD ....
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.religion.eckankar/c/8uMk2FC1cvQ/m/S-XW5JK1FQAJ
If you really want to question Eckankar ???????????????????????????
HUH?

I don't need Fife's permission to question and discover what is fact vs. fiction. Fife (and Kinpa) only want to control what others write here. That's why they are constantly stating what other people mean, when it is really what they think / imagine other people mean. Believe it, or not this is what many people hate the most about Eckankar. Others trying to tell them what they really mean, instead of acknowledging what the others actually do mean. It smacks of control, like hungry wolves looking on others as so many chicken dinners. Harold Klemp, the leader of Eckankar admonished his clergy about doing this and how it is like an atomic bomb exploding over a city.
"In fact, for a very long time I have been inclined to think that this HI Letter was also directed at Doug Marman specifically."
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.religion.eckankar/c/HUR2F1bJ6sg/m/DpKO4FbUBwAJ

i'm sure it was directed at marman and patti simpson et al too .... there was a whole bunch of them back then ...
mind you there was also the aggressive nasty died in the wool believers in bright future[ full of wolves that was] ... marman was one of them too .... but later went off on his own extreme " guru path making enterprise"
then there are the typical power hungry out of control HIs and resa everywhere.... klemp was always too gutless and weak to confront the, directly for bad behaviours. a note in HI letter is weak, not leadership.
anyways ... the myth goes on and on ..... and HK is in his last days now .... then what happens???
FIFE might take over and fix it ..... put out his list of what is and all the eckists will see the light???
Maybe KINPOOP will finally be acknowledged as the grand master he always imagined he is???? '
ROTFLMFAO

The point is, imho, very few and far between does anyone ever show up to actually discuss their own opinions aboiut eckankar, it;s history and credibility as a teaching pro or con, and even fewer arrive to share some genuine factual historical or contemporary info about eckankar and even fewer still ever have anything to say about their own personal first hand experiences be they of a spiritual/psychic nature or something about eckankar in real life.
99% show up here to bitch and moan about people already making comments and false accusations about them (aka fantasyland rubbish) on this forum ... which gets kind of tedious to say the least.

again he shows up here to bitch and moan about people already making comments and false accusations about them (aka fantasyland rubbish) on this forum ... I can't begrudge you a laugh, have at it. I hope that that isn't all that you have to enjoy.
Must be desperate for attention to be slumming here where no one comes or is interested in talking about anything .... come on entertain us tell all about your grand spiritual mastery .... are you an 8th in eckankar yet matt?
giving talks at eck seminars educating the newbies how to be spiritual and live a life of decency?
a ninth like patti simpson yet?
or have surged ahead to be a living eck master like doug marman asserts he is yet?
mmmm, don't hide your light under a bushell mate .... tell the world what an important and talented eck master you are!!!
how many new eckists have you brought into the fold now? 50? 100? 200? more?
you're the best mate. I'm so jealous.
Because so very few people are as crazy and sick as JR Clarke or Hunter Reon Barnes. But you sure are.
How's the family, the ex-wives and kids doing mate? Still getting screwed over by you no doubt?
LOSER

You're again mistaken. I did no bitching nor moaning. Stop flattering yourself son. What difference could it possibly make to you or anyone else how many people I've "brought" into Eckankar? I'm not important, but I am talented. I still am not an ECK Master however. I guess that is your way of going all second grade name calling on me. Nice ad hominem fallacy there, attacking me personally because you get nowhere attacking the teaching themselves. Typical. I never expected you to be able to do any better because you haven't in many years.
As for my ex wives, they're all remarried and as far as I know doing fine. My children are also doing very well and my child support is as always, paid in full. Therefore no one is "still getting screwed over by" me at all. That drama you imagine exists in your mind. I find it comical that I apparently live there rent free and have for so many years. Why is that?
Let it go already. Isn't it about time to move on and find something else to do with yourself? Or is ARE all you have to do? LOL, your choice. It doesn't seem like a worthy one, but that is your responsibility, not mine. Gladly you occupy no space in my brain and I won't think of this again once i leave. You seriously ought to consider doing the same for your own sake, unless this is some sort of addiction for you. In that case professional help might be required. In any case, good luck with that. Have a nice day (or night).

Oh really? How nice.

Now find someone who both cares and believes you.

Professional help will never help you you lowlife loser.

Kinpa

2022-04-16 17:17:58 UTC

Post by Henosis Sage
FIFE SAYS TO EZTNAB

ME SPEAKING TO FIFE
That's curious "fife" because I have never seen you address eckankar with ontology and epistemology lines or in regard to justifying your own past and current beliefs here ... and it's been years and years so far.
What are your beliefs besides you opine eztnab is a pain in your neck - period - for years possibly decades now?
Would you be so kind to show him and I and future readers here how to question Eckankar and it's ontology and epistemology and describe your own beliefs are of Eckankar and what have you decided is the truth about all this??????????
THANKS IN ADVANCE ..... Seaniekins
PS
You might go the whole hog and tell us what you believe about Harold, and Twitchell, and Marman and Matt Sharpe while you're at it.
ORIGINAL REF THREAD ....
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.religion.eckankar/c/8uMk2FC1cvQ/m/S-XW5JK1FQAJ
If you really want to question Eckankar ???????????????????????????
HUH?

I don't need Fife's permission to question and discover what is fact vs. fiction. Fife (and Kinpa) only want to control what others write here. That's why they are constantly stating what other people mean, when it is really what they think / imagine other people mean. Believe it, or not this is what many people hate the most about Eckankar. Others trying to tell them what they really mean, instead of acknowledging what the others actually do mean. It smacks of control, like hungry wolves looking on others as so many chicken dinners. Harold Klemp, the leader of Eckankar admonished his clergy about doing this and how it is like an atomic bomb exploding over a city.
"In fact, for a very long time I have been inclined to think that this HI Letter was also directed at Doug Marman specifically."
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.religion.eckankar/c/HUR2F1bJ6sg/m/DpKO4FbUBwAJ

i'm sure it was directed at marman and patti simpson et al too .... there was a whole bunch of them back then ...
mind you there was also the aggressive nasty died in the wool believers in bright future[ full of wolves that was] ... marman was one of them too .... but later went off on his own extreme " guru path making enterprise"
then there are the typical power hungry out of control HIs and resa everywhere.... klemp was always too gutless and weak to confront the, directly for bad behaviours. a note in HI letter is weak, not leadership.
anyways ... the myth goes on and on ..... and HK is in his last days now .... then what happens???
FIFE might take over and fix it ..... put out his list of what is and all the eckists will see the light???
Maybe KINPOOP will finally be acknowledged as the grand master he always imagined he is???? '

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I've never imagined any such thing. That seems to be among your own imaginings. I wouldn't honestly care to have that job either. However (and this IS an imagining of mine) if I were the LEM, I would do exactly as the others have done regarding both of you and your various imaginings (of meaning and importance) about the things you post here.

Ever noticed how little traffic there is here in a year? That is because your discussions just aren't that important to anyone. Get over it and perhaps go live some. Life exists off of the internet you know.

Post by Henosis Sage
ROTFLMFAO

Nothing you said was quite THAT entertaining. But I can't begrudge you a laugh, have at it. I hope that that isn't all that you have to enjoy.

Kinpa

2022-04-16 17:11:51 UTC