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Tisra Til
2021-07-20 22:34:55 UTC
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“Scientists have never demonstrated that a virus can enter the body from outside, penetrate a cell and cause it to become diseased (Gunn, 2014, ch. 4). There is no evidence that the viruses associated with a particular disease can actually cause that illness through skin contact, when breathed in or when ingested. A virology textbook mentions that experiments on the transmission of rhinovirus (cold virus) from a person on one side of a table to a person sitting opposite proved ‘singularly unsuccessful’. The transmission of influenza from a naturally infected husband/wife to his/her spouse was equally unsuccessful (Dimmock & Primrose, 1987, p. 230). All that can be said for certain is that a small percentage of people who have been in the presence of other sick people will develop a similar disease, while most will not. Allen et al. (1973) reported that six out of 12 men wintering at an isolated Antarctic base unexpectedly developed symptoms of a common cold after 17 weeks of complete isolation. Although specimens taken from the men failed to reveal a causative agent, it was assumed that the cause was probably a virus that had become reactivated after a sharp drop in temperature.

All viruses are made by cells, and they are mostly species- and organ-specific. Cells make viruses by producing short lengths of genetic code and wrapping part of their own outer membrane around them as they bud them out. One view is that this is a way of disposing of faulty genetic sequences (Quanten, 2004). Another view is that they are ‘repair proteins’ evolved from microzymas (Young, 2016a). In some cases, cells are believed to splice the genetic codes they receive from viruses into their own DNA. In contrast to viruses, cells are immensely complex: they respond intelligently to their surroundings and constantly communicate with one another. Photos of alleged viruses ‘injecting themselves’ into a cell actually show the cell engulfing the ‘virus’. This is a standard process – known as phagocytosis (‘cell-eating’) – that cells use to ingest bacteria, dead tissue debris and other errant cells (Baker, 2005).

Bacteria and viruses are very different. A bacterium is regarded as a living, self-replicating organism. Viruses are far smaller and simpler than bacteria, and consist of tiny bits of genetic material (RNA or DNA) – less than one billionth the size of the cell’s genetic code – contained within a protein capsule. They are inert particles with no respiratory, circulatory or digestive system; they display no metabolic activity and cannot move, grow or reproduce by themselves. They are therefore not alive as defined by science. The official view is that they reproduce by ‘hijacking’ a host cell, but nowhere in nature does any living thing reproduce anything other than its own kind. Viruses are also said to mutate very fast in a ‘cunning’ effort to defend themselves and survive. They allegedly lose the ability to take over other cells within a few hours of being outside the host body. However, the idea of an intelligent, highly sophisticated cell being taken over and killed by an inert particle a million times smaller than itself is absurd. In addition, no one has explained how the death of a cell is able to induce a fever or skin rash, or any of the other symptoms of a ‘viral’ disease. It is also unclear how a virus, which is not motile, manages to escape from the host cell and ‘hitch’ itself to a particle of saliva or mucus that is then ejected during a sneeze or cough. It is noteworthy that neither bacteria nor viruses can be grown on healthy tissue. They can only be cultured by using things like beef broth, albumen-based broth, or eggs to stimulate their growth. All these things are dead organic matter – the food that scavengers love.

Viruses were invented in the late 19th century to explain certain diseases that were not associated with bacteria; it was assumed that these viral microbes were too small to be observed under a light microscope. In practice, ‘viral’ infections are mostly diagnosed on the basis of clinical symptoms, not by directly detecting, isolating and identifying the virus. Indirect detection methods are also used. Sometimes people are said to be ‘infected’ if tests show that they have high antibody levels – even though the antibodies could have been produced in response to other things, and high antibody levels are also often cited as evidence that a person has been infected with a virus in the past and is now protected against it. Sometimes DNA or RNA fragments that are thought to be associated with a virus are looked for in diseased cells or fluids, and a technique known as polymerase chain reaction (PCR) is used to replicate them millions or billions of times and make them easier to find. But again it is impossible to know for certain whether such fragments actually come from the virus, since the genome of a purified virus has never been sequenced.”

https://www.davidpratt.info/ozone.htm
Henosis Sage
2021-07-21 05:17:14 UTC
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Post by Tisra Til
“Scientists have never demonstrated that a virus can enter the body from outside, penetrate a cell and cause it to become diseased (Gunn, 2014, ch. 4). There is no evidence that the viruses associated with a particular disease can actually cause that illness through skin contact, when breathed in or when ingested. A virology textbook mentions that experiments on the transmission of rhinovirus (cold virus) from a person on one side of a table to a person sitting opposite proved ‘singularly unsuccessful’. The transmission of influenza from a naturally infected husband/wife to his/her spouse was equally unsuccessful (Dimmock & Primrose, 1987, p. 230). All that can be said for certain is that a small percentage of people who have been in the presence of other sick people will develop a similar disease, while most will not. Allen et al. (1973) reported that six out of 12 men wintering at an isolated Antarctic base unexpectedly developed symptoms of a common cold after 17 weeks of complete isolation. Although specimens taken from the men failed to reveal a causative agent, it was assumed that the cause was probably a virus that had become reactivated after a sharp drop in temperature.
All viruses are made by cells, and they are mostly species- and organ-specific. Cells make viruses by producing short lengths of genetic code and wrapping part of their own outer membrane around them as they bud them out. One view is that this is a way of disposing of faulty genetic sequences (Quanten, 2004). Another view is that they are ‘repair proteins’ evolved from microzymas (Young, 2016a). In some cases, cells are believed to splice the genetic codes they receive from viruses into their own DNA. In contrast to viruses, cells are immensely complex: they respond intelligently to their surroundings and constantly communicate with one another. Photos of alleged viruses ‘injecting themselves’ into a cell actually show the cell engulfing the ‘virus’. This is a standard process – known as phagocytosis (‘cell-eating’) – that cells use to ingest bacteria, dead tissue debris and other errant cells (Baker, 2005).
Bacteria and viruses are very different. A bacterium is regarded as a living, self-replicating organism. Viruses are far smaller and simpler than bacteria, and consist of tiny bits of genetic material (RNA or DNA) – less than one billionth the size of the cell’s genetic code – contained within a protein capsule. They are inert particles with no respiratory, circulatory or digestive system; they display no metabolic activity and cannot move, grow or reproduce by themselves. They are therefore not alive as defined by science. The official view is that they reproduce by ‘hijacking’ a host cell, but nowhere in nature does any living thing reproduce anything other than its own kind. Viruses are also said to mutate very fast in a ‘cunning’ effort to defend themselves and survive. They allegedly lose the ability to take over other cells within a few hours of being outside the host body. However, the idea of an intelligent, highly sophisticated cell being taken over and killed by an inert particle a million times smaller than itself is absurd. In addition, no one has explained how the death of a cell is able to induce a fever or skin rash, or any of the other symptoms of a ‘viral’ disease. It is also unclear how a virus, which is not motile, manages to escape from the host cell and ‘hitch’ itself to a particle of saliva or mucus that is then ejected during a sneeze or cough. It is noteworthy that neither bacteria nor viruses can be grown on healthy tissue. They can only be cultured by using things like beef broth, albumen-based broth, or eggs to stimulate their growth. All these things are dead organic matter – the food that scavengers love.
Viruses were invented in the late 19th century to explain certain diseases that were not associated with bacteria; it was assumed that these viral microbes were too small to be observed under a light microscope. In practice, ‘viral’ infections are mostly diagnosed on the basis of clinical symptoms, not by directly detecting, isolating and identifying the virus. Indirect detection methods are also used. Sometimes people are said to be ‘infected’ if tests show that they have high antibody levels – even though the antibodies could have been produced in response to other things, and high antibody levels are also often cited as evidence that a person has been infected with a virus in the past and is now protected against it. Sometimes DNA or RNA fragments that are thought to be associated with a virus are looked for in diseased cells or fluids, and a technique known as polymerase chain reaction (PCR) is used to replicate them millions or billions of times and make them easier to find. But again it is impossible to know for certain whether such fragments actually come from the virus, since the genome of a purified virus has never been sequenced.”
https://www.davidpratt.info/ozone.htm
So millions of scientists/medical doctors and biologists, are wrong; and universities and laboratories are self-deluded places of work operated by nutters and liars???
David Pratt knows better?
I do not think so.

Fact Check-SARS-CoV-2 has been isolated and its complete genome has been sequenced
https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-covid-rna-idUSL1N2LS27P
Sequencing viral genomes from a single isolated plaque
https://virologyj.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1743-422X-10-181

Purification of Viral DNA for the Identification of Associated Viral and Cellular Proteins

Abstract

The goal of this protocol is to isolate herpes simplex virus type 1 (HSV-1) DNA from infected cells for the identification of associated viral and cellular proteins by mass spectrometry. Although proteins that interact with viral genomes play major roles in determining the outcome of infection, a comprehensive analysis of viral genome associated proteins was not previously feasible. ************* Here we demonstrate a method that enables the direct purification of HSV-1 genomes from infected cells.
Replicating viral DNA is selectively labeled with modified nucleotides that contain an alkyne functional group. Labeled DNA is then specifically and irreversibly tagged via the covalent attachment of biotin azide via a copper(I)-catalyzed azide-alkyne cycloaddition or click reaction. Biotin-tagged DNA is purified on streptavidin-coated beads and associated proteins are eluted and identified by mass spectrometry. This method enables the selective targeting and isolation of HSV-1 replication forks or whole genomes from complex biological environments. Furthermore, adaptation of this approach will allow for the investigation of various aspects of herpesviral infection, as well as the examination of the genomes of other DNA viruses.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28892026/

[ Q. I do wonder what all those words mean? ]

What Does Coronavirus Look Like? CDC Releases Images From First American COVID-19 Patient
https://www.forbes.com/sites/victoriaforster/2020/04/18/what-does-coronavirus-look-like-cdc-releases-images-from-first-american-covid-19-patient/

[photograph]
Transmission electron microscopic image of an isolate from the first U.S. case of COVID-19, formerly known as 2019-nCoV. The spherical viral particles, colorized blue, contain cross-sections through the viral genome, seen as black dots.
https://phil.cdc.gov/Details.aspx?pid=23354

[ Of course they could all be members of a grand conspiracy with tens of millions of participants, or of alien infiltration into our species since the 1950s, or possibly ancient Egypt. I am not 100% certain of anything. Because anything is possible, I guess. ]
Henosis Sage
2021-07-21 05:23:16 UTC
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Post by Tisra Til
“Scientists have never demonstrated that a virus can enter the body from outside, penetrate a cell and cause it to become diseased (Gunn, 2014, ch. 4). There is no evidence that the viruses associated with a particular disease can actually cause that illness through skin contact, when breathed in or when ingested. A virology textbook mentions that experiments on the transmission of rhinovirus (cold virus) from a person on one side of a table to a person sitting opposite proved ‘singularly unsuccessful’. The transmission of influenza from a naturally infected husband/wife to his/her spouse was equally unsuccessful (Dimmock & Primrose, 1987, p. 230). All that can be said for certain is that a small percentage of people who have been in the presence of other sick people will develop a similar disease, while most will not. Allen et al. (1973) reported that six out of 12 men wintering at an isolated Antarctic base unexpectedly developed symptoms of a common cold after 17 weeks of complete isolation. Although specimens taken from the men failed to reveal a causative agent, it was assumed that the cause was probably a virus that had become reactivated after a sharp drop in temperature.
All viruses are made by cells, and they are mostly species- and organ-specific. Cells make viruses by producing short lengths of genetic code and wrapping part of their own outer membrane around them as they bud them out. One view is that this is a way of disposing of faulty genetic sequences (Quanten, 2004). Another view is that they are ‘repair proteins’ evolved from microzymas (Young, 2016a). In some cases, cells are believed to splice the genetic codes they receive from viruses into their own DNA. In contrast to viruses, cells are immensely complex: they respond intelligently to their surroundings and constantly communicate with one another. Photos of alleged viruses ‘injecting themselves’ into a cell actually show the cell engulfing the ‘virus’. This is a standard process – known as phagocytosis (‘cell-eating’) – that cells use to ingest bacteria, dead tissue debris and other errant cells (Baker, 2005).
Bacteria and viruses are very different. A bacterium is regarded as a living, self-replicating organism. Viruses are far smaller and simpler than bacteria, and consist of tiny bits of genetic material (RNA or DNA) – less than one billionth the size of the cell’s genetic code – contained within a protein capsule. They are inert particles with no respiratory, circulatory or digestive system; they display no metabolic activity and cannot move, grow or reproduce by themselves. They are therefore not alive as defined by science. The official view is that they reproduce by ‘hijacking’ a host cell, but nowhere in nature does any living thing reproduce anything other than its own kind. Viruses are also said to mutate very fast in a ‘cunning’ effort to defend themselves and survive. They allegedly lose the ability to take over other cells within a few hours of being outside the host body. However, the idea of an intelligent, highly sophisticated cell being taken over and killed by an inert particle a million times smaller than itself is absurd. In addition, no one has explained how the death of a cell is able to induce a fever or skin rash, or any of the other symptoms of a ‘viral’ disease. It is also unclear how a virus, which is not motile, manages to escape from the host cell and ‘hitch’ itself to a particle of saliva or mucus that is then ejected during a sneeze or cough. It is noteworthy that neither bacteria nor viruses can be grown on healthy tissue. They can only be cultured by using things like beef broth, albumen-based broth, or eggs to stimulate their growth. All these things are dead organic matter – the food that scavengers love.
Viruses were invented in the late 19th century to explain certain diseases that were not associated with bacteria; it was assumed that these viral microbes were too small to be observed under a light microscope. In practice, ‘viral’ infections are mostly diagnosed on the basis of clinical symptoms, not by directly detecting, isolating and identifying the virus. Indirect detection methods are also used. Sometimes people are said to be ‘infected’ if tests show that they have high antibody levels – even though the antibodies could have been produced in response to other things, and high antibody levels are also often cited as evidence that a person has been infected with a virus in the past and is now protected against it. Sometimes DNA or RNA fragments that are thought to be associated with a virus are looked for in diseased cells or fluids, and a technique known as polymerase chain reaction (PCR) is used to replicate them millions or billions of times and make them easier to find. But again it is impossible to know for certain whether such fragments actually come from the virus, since the genome of a purified virus has never been sequenced.”
https://www.davidpratt.info/ozone.htm
So millions of scientists/medical doctors and biologists, are wrong; and universities and laboratories are self-deluded places of work operated by nutters and liars???
David Pratt knows better?
I do not think so.
Fact Check-SARS-CoV-2 has been isolated and its complete genome has been sequenced
https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-covid-rna-idUSL1N2LS27P
Sequencing viral genomes from a single isolated plaque
https://virologyj.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1743-422X-10-181
Purification of Viral DNA for the Identification of Associated Viral and Cellular Proteins
Abstract
The goal of this protocol is to isolate herpes simplex virus type 1 (HSV-1) DNA from infected cells for the identification of associated viral and cellular proteins by mass spectrometry. Although proteins that interact with viral genomes play major roles in determining the outcome of infection, a comprehensive analysis of viral genome associated proteins was not previously feasible. ************* Here we demonstrate a method that enables the direct purification of HSV-1 genomes from infected cells.
Replicating viral DNA is selectively labeled with modified nucleotides that contain an alkyne functional group. Labeled DNA is then specifically and irreversibly tagged via the covalent attachment of biotin azide via a copper(I)-catalyzed azide-alkyne cycloaddition or click reaction. Biotin-tagged DNA is purified on streptavidin-coated beads and associated proteins are eluted and identified by mass spectrometry. This method enables the selective targeting and isolation of HSV-1 replication forks or whole genomes from complex biological environments. Furthermore, adaptation of this approach will allow for the investigation of various aspects of herpesviral infection, as well as the examination of the genomes of other DNA viruses.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28892026/
[ Q. I do wonder what all those words mean? ]
What Does Coronavirus Look Like? CDC Releases Images From First American COVID-19 Patient
https://www.forbes.com/sites/victoriaforster/2020/04/18/what-does-coronavirus-look-like-cdc-releases-images-from-first-american-covid-19-patient/
[photograph]
Transmission electron microscopic image of an isolate from the first U.S. case of COVID-19, formerly known as 2019-nCoV. The spherical viral particles, colorized blue, contain cross-sections through the viral genome, seen as black dots.
https://phil.cdc.gov/Details.aspx?pid=23354
[ Of course they could all be members of a grand conspiracy with tens of millions of participants, or of alien infiltration into our species since the 1950s, or possibly ancient Egypt. I am not 100% certain of anything. Because anything is possible, I guess. ]
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Tisra Til
2021-07-21 17:54:35 UTC
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Post by Tisra Til
“Scientists have never demonstrated that a virus can enter the body from outside, penetrate a cell and cause it to become diseased (Gunn, 2014, ch. 4). There is no evidence that the viruses associated with a particular disease can actually cause that illness through skin contact, when breathed in or when ingested. A virology textbook mentions that experiments on the transmission of rhinovirus (cold virus) from a person on one side of a table to a person sitting opposite proved ‘singularly unsuccessful’. The transmission of influenza from a naturally infected husband/wife to his/her spouse was equally unsuccessful (Dimmock & Primrose, 1987, p. 230). All that can be said for certain is that a small percentage of people who have been in the presence of other sick people will develop a similar disease, while most will not. Allen et al. (1973) reported that six out of 12 men wintering at an isolated Antarctic base unexpectedly developed symptoms of a common cold after 17 weeks of complete isolation. Although specimens taken from the men failed to reveal a causative agent, it was assumed that the cause was probably a virus that had become reactivated after a sharp drop in temperature.
All viruses are made by cells, and they are mostly species- and organ-specific. Cells make viruses by producing short lengths of genetic code and wrapping part of their own outer membrane around them as they bud them out. One view is that this is a way of disposing of faulty genetic sequences (Quanten, 2004). Another view is that they are ‘repair proteins’ evolved from microzymas (Young, 2016a). In some cases, cells are believed to splice the genetic codes they receive from viruses into their own DNA. In contrast to viruses, cells are immensely complex: they respond intelligently to their surroundings and constantly communicate with one another. Photos of alleged viruses ‘injecting themselves’ into a cell actually show the cell engulfing the ‘virus’. This is a standard process – known as phagocytosis (‘cell-eating’) – that cells use to ingest bacteria, dead tissue debris and other errant cells (Baker, 2005).
Bacteria and viruses are very different. A bacterium is regarded as a living, self-replicating organism. Viruses are far smaller and simpler than bacteria, and consist of tiny bits of genetic material (RNA or DNA) – less than one billionth the size of the cell’s genetic code – contained within a protein capsule. They are inert particles with no respiratory, circulatory or digestive system; they display no metabolic activity and cannot move, grow or reproduce by themselves. They are therefore not alive as defined by science. The official view is that they reproduce by ‘hijacking’ a host cell, but nowhere in nature does any living thing reproduce anything other than its own kind. Viruses are also said to mutate very fast in a ‘cunning’ effort to defend themselves and survive. They allegedly lose the ability to take over other cells within a few hours of being outside the host body. However, the idea of an intelligent, highly sophisticated cell being taken over and killed by an inert particle a million times smaller than itself is absurd. In addition, no one has explained how the death of a cell is able to induce a fever or skin rash, or any of the other symptoms of a ‘viral’ disease. It is also unclear how a virus, which is not motile, manages to escape from the host cell and ‘hitch’ itself to a particle of saliva or mucus that is then ejected during a sneeze or cough. It is noteworthy that neither bacteria nor viruses can be grown on healthy tissue. They can only be cultured by using things like beef broth, albumen-based broth, or eggs to stimulate their growth. All these things are dead organic matter – the food that scavengers love.
Viruses were invented in the late 19th century to explain certain diseases that were not associated with bacteria; it was assumed that these viral microbes were too small to be observed under a light microscope. In practice, ‘viral’ infections are mostly diagnosed on the basis of clinical symptoms, not by directly detecting, isolating and identifying the virus. Indirect detection methods are also used. Sometimes people are said to be ‘infected’ if tests show that they have high antibody levels – even though the antibodies could have been produced in response to other things, and high antibody levels are also often cited as evidence that a person has been infected with a virus in the past and is now protected against it. Sometimes DNA or RNA fragments that are thought to be associated with a virus are looked for in diseased cells or fluids, and a technique known as polymerase chain reaction (PCR) is used to replicate them millions or billions of times and make them easier to find. But again it is impossible to know for certain whether such fragments actually come from the virus, since the genome of a purified virus has never been sequenced.”
https://www.davidpratt.info/ozone.htm
So millions of scientists/medical doctors and biologists, are wrong; and universities and laboratories are self-deluded places of work operated by nutters and liars???
David Pratt knows better?
I do not think so.
Fact Check-SARS-CoV-2 has been isolated and its complete genome has been sequenced
https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-covid-rna-idUSL1N2LS27P
Sequencing viral genomes from a single isolated plaque
https://virologyj.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1743-422X-10-181
Purification of Viral DNA for the Identification of Associated Viral and Cellular Proteins
Abstract
The goal of this protocol is to isolate herpes simplex virus type 1 (HSV-1) DNA from infected cells for the identification of associated viral and cellular proteins by mass spectrometry. Although proteins that interact with viral genomes play major roles in determining the outcome of infection, a comprehensive analysis of viral genome associated proteins was not previously feasible. ************* Here we demonstrate a method that enables the direct purification of HSV-1 genomes from infected cells.
Replicating viral DNA is selectively labeled with modified nucleotides that contain an alkyne functional group. Labeled DNA is then specifically and irreversibly tagged via the covalent attachment of biotin azide via a copper(I)-catalyzed azide-alkyne cycloaddition or click reaction. Biotin-tagged DNA is purified on streptavidin-coated beads and associated proteins are eluted and identified by mass spectrometry. This method enables the selective targeting and isolation of HSV-1 replication forks or whole genomes from complex biological environments. Furthermore, adaptation of this approach will allow for the investigation of various aspects of herpesviral infection, as well as the examination of the genomes of other DNA viruses.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28892026/
[ Q. I do wonder what all those words mean? ]
What Does Coronavirus Look Like? CDC Releases Images From First American COVID-19 Patient
https://www.forbes.com/sites/victoriaforster/2020/04/18/what-does-coronavirus-look-like-cdc-releases-images-from-first-american-covid-19-patient/
[photograph]
Transmission electron microscopic image of an isolate from the first U.S. case of COVID-19, formerly known as 2019-nCoV. The spherical viral particles, colorized blue, contain cross-sections through the viral genome, seen as black dots.
https://phil.cdc.gov/Details.aspx?pid=23354
[ Of course they could all be members of a grand conspiracy with tens of millions of participants, or of alien infiltration into our species since the 1950s, or possibly ancient Egypt. I am not 100% certain of anything. Because anything is possible, I guess. ]
Millions? Hardly. It's not an across the board agreement of every scientist in every field. That's ridiculous. And how many of these scientists and researchers work for Big Pharma? No agendas there? That's ridiculous. And none of these scientists (i.e. F*^ckw%d Fauci) have vested interests with Big Pharma, via patents for vaccines, for instance? That's ridiculous. And none of these people in high places (i.e. scientists,, researchers and doctors) have a revolving door with governments and their agencies (i.e. W.H.O., CDC, etc.). That's totally ridiculous. And the "science"? How much do you actually know? Do you only follow "official" channels? Like, say, following a certain religion and buying everything hook, line, and sinker. Do you know anyone like that? Or is that ridiculous to think people can actually do that when it comes to discovering a truth about something?
I've read books on the subject of medicine, pharmaceutical industry, and the medical field in general before I ever found this newsgroup. I know all about the corruption and scientism involved in the health (read illness) field. If you don't understand basic capitalism and vested interests and the trillions of dollars involved; well, Lord help ya, fella.
Yes, Google can be your friend. Key CAN BE (when it isn't engaging in censorship, WHICH IT ABSOLUTELY IS). Do you want to limit your sources to "official channels"? Fine. Good luck with that. I'm right behind you. Don't want to look into sources like David Pratt or Del Bigtree (the highwire.com) who actually looked at whistleblowers and scientists in these agencies using logic and clear, lucid thinking in exposing what is going on on a massive scale? Again, good luck with that. It should serve you well. Groovy man. Far out.
Henosis Sage
2021-07-22 00:14:45 UTC
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Post by Tisra Til
“Scientists have never demonstrated that a virus can enter the body from outside, penetrate a cell and cause it to become diseased (Gunn, 2014, ch. 4). There is no evidence that the viruses associated with a particular disease can actually cause that illness through skin contact, when breathed in or when ingested. A virology textbook mentions that experiments on the transmission of rhinovirus (cold virus) from a person on one side of a table to a person sitting opposite proved ‘singularly unsuccessful’. The transmission of influenza from a naturally infected husband/wife to his/her spouse was equally unsuccessful (Dimmock & Primrose, 1987, p. 230). All that can be said for certain is that a small percentage of people who have been in the presence of other sick people will develop a similar disease, while most will not. Allen et al. (1973) reported that six out of 12 men wintering at an isolated Antarctic base unexpectedly developed symptoms of a common cold after 17 weeks of complete isolation. Although specimens taken from the men failed to reveal a causative agent, it was assumed that the cause was probably a virus that had become reactivated after a sharp drop in temperature.
All viruses are made by cells, and they are mostly species- and organ-specific. Cells make viruses by producing short lengths of genetic code and wrapping part of their own outer membrane around them as they bud them out. One view is that this is a way of disposing of faulty genetic sequences (Quanten, 2004). Another view is that they are ‘repair proteins’ evolved from microzymas (Young, 2016a). In some cases, cells are believed to splice the genetic codes they receive from viruses into their own DNA. In contrast to viruses, cells are immensely complex: they respond intelligently to their surroundings and constantly communicate with one another. Photos of alleged viruses ‘injecting themselves’ into a cell actually show the cell engulfing the ‘virus’. This is a standard process – known as phagocytosis (‘cell-eating’) – that cells use to ingest bacteria, dead tissue debris and other errant cells (Baker, 2005).
Bacteria and viruses are very different. A bacterium is regarded as a living, self-replicating organism. Viruses are far smaller and simpler than bacteria, and consist of tiny bits of genetic material (RNA or DNA) – less than one billionth the size of the cell’s genetic code – contained within a protein capsule. They are inert particles with no respiratory, circulatory or digestive system; they display no metabolic activity and cannot move, grow or reproduce by themselves. They are therefore not alive as defined by science. The official view is that they reproduce by ‘hijacking’ a host cell, but nowhere in nature does any living thing reproduce anything other than its own kind. Viruses are also said to mutate very fast in a ‘cunning’ effort to defend themselves and survive. They allegedly lose the ability to take over other cells within a few hours of being outside the host body. However, the idea of an intelligent, highly sophisticated cell being taken over and killed by an inert particle a million times smaller than itself is absurd. In addition, no one has explained how the death of a cell is able to induce a fever or skin rash, or any of the other symptoms of a ‘viral’ disease. It is also unclear how a virus, which is not motile, manages to escape from the host cell and ‘hitch’ itself to a particle of saliva or mucus that is then ejected during a sneeze or cough. It is noteworthy that neither bacteria nor viruses can be grown on healthy tissue. They can only be cultured by using things like beef broth, albumen-based broth, or eggs to stimulate their growth. All these things are dead organic matter – the food that scavengers love.
Viruses were invented in the late 19th century to explain certain diseases that were not associated with bacteria; it was assumed that these viral microbes were too small to be observed under a light microscope. In practice, ‘viral’ infections are mostly diagnosed on the basis of clinical symptoms, not by directly detecting, isolating and identifying the virus. Indirect detection methods are also used. Sometimes people are said to be ‘infected’ if tests show that they have high antibody levels – even though the antibodies could have been produced in response to other things, and high antibody levels are also often cited as evidence that a person has been infected with a virus in the past and is now protected against it. Sometimes DNA or RNA fragments that are thought to be associated with a virus are looked for in diseased cells or fluids, and a technique known as polymerase chain reaction (PCR) is used to replicate them millions or billions of times and make them easier to find. But again it is impossible to know for certain whether such fragments actually come from the virus, since the genome of a purified virus has never been sequenced.”
https://www.davidpratt.info/ozone.htm
So millions of scientists/medical doctors and biologists, are wrong; and universities and laboratories are self-deluded places of work operated by nutters and liars???
David Pratt knows better?
I do not think so.
Fact Check-SARS-CoV-2 has been isolated and its complete genome has been sequenced
https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-covid-rna-idUSL1N2LS27P
Sequencing viral genomes from a single isolated plaque
https://virologyj.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1743-422X-10-181
Purification of Viral DNA for the Identification of Associated Viral and Cellular Proteins
Abstract
The goal of this protocol is to isolate herpes simplex virus type 1 (HSV-1) DNA from infected cells for the identification of associated viral and cellular proteins by mass spectrometry. Although proteins that interact with viral genomes play major roles in determining the outcome of infection, a comprehensive analysis of viral genome associated proteins was not previously feasible. ************* Here we demonstrate a method that enables the direct purification of HSV-1 genomes from infected cells.
Replicating viral DNA is selectively labeled with modified nucleotides that contain an alkyne functional group. Labeled DNA is then specifically and irreversibly tagged via the covalent attachment of biotin azide via a copper(I)-catalyzed azide-alkyne cycloaddition or click reaction. Biotin-tagged DNA is purified on streptavidin-coated beads and associated proteins are eluted and identified by mass spectrometry. This method enables the selective targeting and isolation of HSV-1 replication forks or whole genomes from complex biological environments. Furthermore, adaptation of this approach will allow for the investigation of various aspects of herpesviral infection, as well as the examination of the genomes of other DNA viruses.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28892026/
[ Q. I do wonder what all those words mean? ]
What Does Coronavirus Look Like? CDC Releases Images From First American COVID-19 Patient
https://www.forbes.com/sites/victoriaforster/2020/04/18/what-does-coronavirus-look-like-cdc-releases-images-from-first-american-covid-19-patient/
[photograph]
Transmission electron microscopic image of an isolate from the first U.S. case of COVID-19, formerly known as 2019-nCoV. The spherical viral particles, colorized blue, contain cross-sections through the viral genome, seen as black dots.
https://phil.cdc.gov/Details.aspx?pid=23354
[ Of course they could all be members of a grand conspiracy with tens of millions of participants, or of alien infiltration into our species since the 1950s, or possibly ancient Egypt. I am not 100% certain of anything. Because anything is possible, I guess. ]
Millions? Hardly. It's not an across the board agreement of every scientist in every field. That's ridiculous. And how many of these scientists and researchers work for Big Pharma? No agendas there? That's ridiculous. And none of these scientists (i.e. F*^ckw%d Fauci) have vested interests with Big Pharma, via patents for vaccines, for instance? That's ridiculous. And none of these people in high places (i.e. scientists,, researchers and doctors) have a revolving door with governments and their agencies (i.e. W.H.O., CDC, etc.). That's totally ridiculous. And the "science"? How much do you actually know? Do you only follow "official" channels? Like, say, following a certain religion and buying everything hook, line, and sinker. Do you know anyone like that? Or is that ridiculous to think people can actually do that when it comes to discovering a truth about something?
I've read books on the subject of medicine, pharmaceutical industry, and the medical field in general before I ever found this newsgroup. I know all about the corruption and scientism involved in the health (read illness) field. If you don't understand basic capitalism and vested interests and the trillions of dollars involved; well, Lord help ya, fella.
Yes, Google can be your friend. Key CAN BE (when it isn't engaging in censorship, WHICH IT ABSOLUTELY IS). Do you want to limit your sources to "official channels"? Fine. Good luck with that. I'm right behind you. Don't want to look into sources like David Pratt or Del Bigtree (the highwire.com) who actually looked at whistleblowers and scientists in these agencies using logic and clear, lucid thinking in exposing what is going on on a massive scale? Again, good luck with that. It should serve you well. Groovy man. Far out.
Was it something I said that sent you over the deep end again?
Or was it that I said "could all be" at the beginning??? :-)

OK then. If covid19 didn't kill the 4 million or so dead, I wonder what did? Or maybe there have no deaths and it;s all a conspiracy.

anyways .. fwiw .. and just for fun, here's some news from the coal face:

An Alabama physician says: “I’m admitting young healthy people to the hospital with very serious COVID infections. One of the last things they do before they’re intubated is beg me for the vaccine. I hold their hand and tell them that I’m sorry, but it’s too late. A few days later when I call time of death, I hug their family members and I tell them the best way to honor their loved one is to go get vaccinated and encourage everyone they know to do the same. They cry. And they tell me they didn’t know. They thought it was a hoax. They thought it was political. They thought because they had a certain blood type or a certain skin color they wouldn’t get as sick. They thought it was ‘just the flu’. But they were wrong. And they wish they could go back. But they can’t. So they thank me and they go get the vaccine. And I go back to my office, write their death note, and say a small prayer that this loss will save more lives.”

https://www.mediaite.com/news/doctor-describes-horror-of-covid-patients-begging-for-vaccine-just-before-intubation-im-sorry-but-its-too-late/

I should assume the Alabama physician is Corrupt too I guess.
Henosis Sage
2021-07-22 03:37:28 UTC
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Post by Henosis Sage
Post by Tisra Til
“Scientists have never demonstrated that a virus can enter the body from outside, penetrate a cell and cause it to become diseased (Gunn, 2014, ch. 4). There is no evidence that the viruses associated with a particular disease can actually cause that illness through skin contact, when breathed in or when ingested. A virology textbook mentions that experiments on the transmission of rhinovirus (cold virus) from a person on one side of a table to a person sitting opposite proved ‘singularly unsuccessful’. The transmission of influenza from a naturally infected husband/wife to his/her spouse was equally unsuccessful (Dimmock & Primrose, 1987, p. 230). All that can be said for certain is that a small percentage of people who have been in the presence of other sick people will develop a similar disease, while most will not. Allen et al. (1973) reported that six out of 12 men wintering at an isolated Antarctic base unexpectedly developed symptoms of a common cold after 17 weeks of complete isolation. Although specimens taken from the men failed to reveal a causative agent, it was assumed that the cause was probably a virus that had become reactivated after a sharp drop in temperature.
All viruses are made by cells, and they are mostly species- and organ-specific. Cells make viruses by producing short lengths of genetic code and wrapping part of their own outer membrane around them as they bud them out. One view is that this is a way of disposing of faulty genetic sequences (Quanten, 2004). Another view is that they are ‘repair proteins’ evolved from microzymas (Young, 2016a). In some cases, cells are believed to splice the genetic codes they receive from viruses into their own DNA. In contrast to viruses, cells are immensely complex: they respond intelligently to their surroundings and constantly communicate with one another. Photos of alleged viruses ‘injecting themselves’ into a cell actually show the cell engulfing the ‘virus’. This is a standard process – known as phagocytosis (‘cell-eating’) – that cells use to ingest bacteria, dead tissue debris and other errant cells (Baker, 2005).
Bacteria and viruses are very different. A bacterium is regarded as a living, self-replicating organism. Viruses are far smaller and simpler than bacteria, and consist of tiny bits of genetic material (RNA or DNA) – less than one billionth the size of the cell’s genetic code – contained within a protein capsule. They are inert particles with no respiratory, circulatory or digestive system; they display no metabolic activity and cannot move, grow or reproduce by themselves. They are therefore not alive as defined by science. The official view is that they reproduce by ‘hijacking’ a host cell, but nowhere in nature does any living thing reproduce anything other than its own kind. Viruses are also said to mutate very fast in a ‘cunning’ effort to defend themselves and survive. They allegedly lose the ability to take over other cells within a few hours of being outside the host body. However, the idea of an intelligent, highly sophisticated cell being taken over and killed by an inert particle a million times smaller than itself is absurd. In addition, no one has explained how the death of a cell is able to induce a fever or skin rash, or any of the other symptoms of a ‘viral’ disease. It is also unclear how a virus, which is not motile, manages to escape from the host cell and ‘hitch’ itself to a particle of saliva or mucus that is then ejected during a sneeze or cough. It is noteworthy that neither bacteria nor viruses can be grown on healthy tissue. They can only be cultured by using things like beef broth, albumen-based broth, or eggs to stimulate their growth. All these things are dead organic matter – the food that scavengers love.
Viruses were invented in the late 19th century to explain certain diseases that were not associated with bacteria; it was assumed that these viral microbes were too small to be observed under a light microscope. In practice, ‘viral’ infections are mostly diagnosed on the basis of clinical symptoms, not by directly detecting, isolating and identifying the virus. Indirect detection methods are also used. Sometimes people are said to be ‘infected’ if tests show that they have high antibody levels – even though the antibodies could have been produced in response to other things, and high antibody levels are also often cited as evidence that a person has been infected with a virus in the past and is now protected against it. Sometimes DNA or RNA fragments that are thought to be associated with a virus are looked for in diseased cells or fluids, and a technique known as polymerase chain reaction (PCR) is used to replicate them millions or billions of times and make them easier to find. But again it is impossible to know for certain whether such fragments actually come from the virus, since the genome of a purified virus has never been sequenced.”
https://www.davidpratt.info/ozone.htm
So millions of scientists/medical doctors and biologists, are wrong; and universities and laboratories are self-deluded places of work operated by nutters and liars???
David Pratt knows better?
I do not think so.
Fact Check-SARS-CoV-2 has been isolated and its complete genome has been sequenced
https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-covid-rna-idUSL1N2LS27P
Sequencing viral genomes from a single isolated plaque
https://virologyj.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1743-422X-10-181
Purification of Viral DNA for the Identification of Associated Viral and Cellular Proteins
Abstract
The goal of this protocol is to isolate herpes simplex virus type 1 (HSV-1) DNA from infected cells for the identification of associated viral and cellular proteins by mass spectrometry. Although proteins that interact with viral genomes play major roles in determining the outcome of infection, a comprehensive analysis of viral genome associated proteins was not previously feasible. ************* Here we demonstrate a method that enables the direct purification of HSV-1 genomes from infected cells.
Replicating viral DNA is selectively labeled with modified nucleotides that contain an alkyne functional group. Labeled DNA is then specifically and irreversibly tagged via the covalent attachment of biotin azide via a copper(I)-catalyzed azide-alkyne cycloaddition or click reaction. Biotin-tagged DNA is purified on streptavidin-coated beads and associated proteins are eluted and identified by mass spectrometry. This method enables the selective targeting and isolation of HSV-1 replication forks or whole genomes from complex biological environments. Furthermore, adaptation of this approach will allow for the investigation of various aspects of herpesviral infection, as well as the examination of the genomes of other DNA viruses.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28892026/
[ Q. I do wonder what all those words mean? ]
What Does Coronavirus Look Like? CDC Releases Images From First American COVID-19 Patient
https://www.forbes.com/sites/victoriaforster/2020/04/18/what-does-coronavirus-look-like-cdc-releases-images-from-first-american-covid-19-patient/
[photograph]
Transmission electron microscopic image of an isolate from the first U.S. case of COVID-19, formerly known as 2019-nCoV. The spherical viral particles, colorized blue, contain cross-sections through the viral genome, seen as black dots.
https://phil.cdc.gov/Details.aspx?pid=23354
[ Of course they could all be members of a grand conspiracy with tens of millions of participants, or of alien infiltration into our species since the 1950s, or possibly ancient Egypt. I am not 100% certain of anything. Because anything is possible, I guess. ]
Millions? Hardly. It's not an across the board agreement of every scientist in every field. That's ridiculous. And how many of these scientists and researchers work for Big Pharma? No agendas there? That's ridiculous. And none of these scientists (i.e. F*^ckw%d Fauci) have vested interests with Big Pharma, via patents for vaccines, for instance? That's ridiculous. And none of these people in high places (i.e. scientists,, researchers and doctors) have a revolving door with governments and their agencies (i.e. W.H.O., CDC, etc.). That's totally ridiculous. And the "science"? How much do you actually know? Do you only follow "official" channels? Like, say, following a certain religion and buying everything hook, line, and sinker. Do you know anyone like that? Or is that ridiculous to think people can actually do that when it comes to discovering a truth about something?
I've read books on the subject of medicine, pharmaceutical industry, and the medical field in general before I ever found this newsgroup. I know all about the corruption and scientism involved in the health (read illness) field. If you don't understand basic capitalism and vested interests and the trillions of dollars involved; well, Lord help ya, fella.
Yes, Google can be your friend. Key CAN BE (when it isn't engaging in censorship, WHICH IT ABSOLUTELY IS). Do you want to limit your sources to "official channels"? Fine. Good luck with that. I'm right behind you. Don't want to look into sources like David Pratt or Del Bigtree (the highwire.com) who actually looked at whistleblowers and scientists in these agencies using logic and clear, lucid thinking in exposing what is going on on a massive scale? Again, good luck with that. It should serve you well. Groovy man. Far out.
Was it something I said that sent you over the deep end again?
Or was it that I said "could all be" at the beginning??? :-)
OK then. If covid19 didn't kill the 4 million or so dead, I wonder what did? Or maybe there have no deaths and it;s all a conspiracy.
An Alabama physician says: “I’m admitting young healthy people to the hospital with very serious COVID infections. One of the last things they do before they’re intubated is beg me for the vaccine. I hold their hand and tell them that I’m sorry, but it’s too late. A few days later when I call time of death, I hug their family members and I tell them the best way to honor their loved one is to go get vaccinated and encourage everyone they know to do the same. They cry. And they tell me they didn’t know. They thought it was a hoax. They thought it was political. They thought because they had a certain blood type or a certain skin color they wouldn’t get as sick. They thought it was ‘just the flu’. But they were wrong. And they wish they could go back. But they can’t. So they thank me and they go get the vaccine. And I go back to my office, write their death note, and say a small prayer that this loss will save more lives.”
https://www.mediaite.com/news/doctor-describes-horror-of-covid-patients-begging-for-vaccine-just-before-intubation-im-sorry-but-its-too-late/
I should assume the Alabama physician is Corrupt too I guess.
PS I have not followed everything you've said on this topic TT, but I'm curious, could you at least clarify your own position, beliefs for me???

Because it's hard to know what you actually think eg around these issues ...

are viruses real and cause disease in humans?

are all vaccines a fraud? ie don;t actually work, or too dangerous??
Vaccines are a conspiracy?
Medical science is a conspiracy?

is cov-sars2 a real virus?
is covid19 a real disease caused by that virus?

has it killed 4 million worldwide and millions more got sick?

any other info, for at least a better understanding of why these things seem so important to you.
Henosis Sage
2021-07-22 03:39:22 UTC
Permalink
Post by Henosis Sage
Post by Henosis Sage
Post by Tisra Til
“Scientists have never demonstrated that a virus can enter the body from outside, penetrate a cell and cause it to become diseased (Gunn, 2014, ch. 4). There is no evidence that the viruses associated with a particular disease can actually cause that illness through skin contact, when breathed in or when ingested. A virology textbook mentions that experiments on the transmission of rhinovirus (cold virus) from a person on one side of a table to a person sitting opposite proved ‘singularly unsuccessful’. The transmission of influenza from a naturally infected husband/wife to his/her spouse was equally unsuccessful (Dimmock & Primrose, 1987, p. 230). All that can be said for certain is that a small percentage of people who have been in the presence of other sick people will develop a similar disease, while most will not. Allen et al. (1973) reported that six out of 12 men wintering at an isolated Antarctic base unexpectedly developed symptoms of a common cold after 17 weeks of complete isolation. Although specimens taken from the men failed to reveal a causative agent, it was assumed that the cause was probably a virus that had become reactivated after a sharp drop in temperature.
All viruses are made by cells, and they are mostly species- and organ-specific. Cells make viruses by producing short lengths of genetic code and wrapping part of their own outer membrane around them as they bud them out. One view is that this is a way of disposing of faulty genetic sequences (Quanten, 2004). Another view is that they are ‘repair proteins’ evolved from microzymas (Young, 2016a). In some cases, cells are believed to splice the genetic codes they receive from viruses into their own DNA. In contrast to viruses, cells are immensely complex: they respond intelligently to their surroundings and constantly communicate with one another. Photos of alleged viruses ‘injecting themselves’ into a cell actually show the cell engulfing the ‘virus’. This is a standard process – known as phagocytosis (‘cell-eating’) – that cells use to ingest bacteria, dead tissue debris and other errant cells (Baker, 2005).
Bacteria and viruses are very different. A bacterium is regarded as a living, self-replicating organism. Viruses are far smaller and simpler than bacteria, and consist of tiny bits of genetic material (RNA or DNA) – less than one billionth the size of the cell’s genetic code – contained within a protein capsule. They are inert particles with no respiratory, circulatory or digestive system; they display no metabolic activity and cannot move, grow or reproduce by themselves. They are therefore not alive as defined by science. The official view is that they reproduce by ‘hijacking’ a host cell, but nowhere in nature does any living thing reproduce anything other than its own kind. Viruses are also said to mutate very fast in a ‘cunning’ effort to defend themselves and survive. They allegedly lose the ability to take over other cells within a few hours of being outside the host body. However, the idea of an intelligent, highly sophisticated cell being taken over and killed by an inert particle a million times smaller than itself is absurd. In addition, no one has explained how the death of a cell is able to induce a fever or skin rash, or any of the other symptoms of a ‘viral’ disease. It is also unclear how a virus, which is not motile, manages to escape from the host cell and ‘hitch’ itself to a particle of saliva or mucus that is then ejected during a sneeze or cough. It is noteworthy that neither bacteria nor viruses can be grown on healthy tissue. They can only be cultured by using things like beef broth, albumen-based broth, or eggs to stimulate their growth. All these things are dead organic matter – the food that scavengers love.
Viruses were invented in the late 19th century to explain certain diseases that were not associated with bacteria; it was assumed that these viral microbes were too small to be observed under a light microscope. In practice, ‘viral’ infections are mostly diagnosed on the basis of clinical symptoms, not by directly detecting, isolating and identifying the virus. Indirect detection methods are also used. Sometimes people are said to be ‘infected’ if tests show that they have high antibody levels – even though the antibodies could have been produced in response to other things, and high antibody levels are also often cited as evidence that a person has been infected with a virus in the past and is now protected against it. Sometimes DNA or RNA fragments that are thought to be associated with a virus are looked for in diseased cells or fluids, and a technique known as polymerase chain reaction (PCR) is used to replicate them millions or billions of times and make them easier to find. But again it is impossible to know for certain whether such fragments actually come from the virus, since the genome of a purified virus has never been sequenced.”
https://www.davidpratt.info/ozone.htm
So millions of scientists/medical doctors and biologists, are wrong; and universities and laboratories are self-deluded places of work operated by nutters and liars???
David Pratt knows better?
I do not think so.
Fact Check-SARS-CoV-2 has been isolated and its complete genome has been sequenced
https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-covid-rna-idUSL1N2LS27P
Sequencing viral genomes from a single isolated plaque
https://virologyj.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1743-422X-10-181
Purification of Viral DNA for the Identification of Associated Viral and Cellular Proteins
Abstract
The goal of this protocol is to isolate herpes simplex virus type 1 (HSV-1) DNA from infected cells for the identification of associated viral and cellular proteins by mass spectrometry. Although proteins that interact with viral genomes play major roles in determining the outcome of infection, a comprehensive analysis of viral genome associated proteins was not previously feasible. ************* Here we demonstrate a method that enables the direct purification of HSV-1 genomes from infected cells.
Replicating viral DNA is selectively labeled with modified nucleotides that contain an alkyne functional group. Labeled DNA is then specifically and irreversibly tagged via the covalent attachment of biotin azide via a copper(I)-catalyzed azide-alkyne cycloaddition or click reaction. Biotin-tagged DNA is purified on streptavidin-coated beads and associated proteins are eluted and identified by mass spectrometry. This method enables the selective targeting and isolation of HSV-1 replication forks or whole genomes from complex biological environments. Furthermore, adaptation of this approach will allow for the investigation of various aspects of herpesviral infection, as well as the examination of the genomes of other DNA viruses.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28892026/
[ Q. I do wonder what all those words mean? ]
What Does Coronavirus Look Like? CDC Releases Images From First American COVID-19 Patient
https://www.forbes.com/sites/victoriaforster/2020/04/18/what-does-coronavirus-look-like-cdc-releases-images-from-first-american-covid-19-patient/
[photograph]
Transmission electron microscopic image of an isolate from the first U.S. case of COVID-19, formerly known as 2019-nCoV. The spherical viral particles, colorized blue, contain cross-sections through the viral genome, seen as black dots.
https://phil.cdc.gov/Details.aspx?pid=23354
[ Of course they could all be members of a grand conspiracy with tens of millions of participants, or of alien infiltration into our species since the 1950s, or possibly ancient Egypt. I am not 100% certain of anything. Because anything is possible, I guess. ]
Millions? Hardly. It's not an across the board agreement of every scientist in every field. That's ridiculous. And how many of these scientists and researchers work for Big Pharma? No agendas there? That's ridiculous. And none of these scientists (i.e. F*^ckw%d Fauci) have vested interests with Big Pharma, via patents for vaccines, for instance? That's ridiculous. And none of these people in high places (i.e. scientists,, researchers and doctors) have a revolving door with governments and their agencies (i.e. W.H.O., CDC, etc.). That's totally ridiculous. And the "science"? How much do you actually know? Do you only follow "official" channels? Like, say, following a certain religion and buying everything hook, line, and sinker. Do you know anyone like that? Or is that ridiculous to think people can actually do that when it comes to discovering a truth about something?
I've read books on the subject of medicine, pharmaceutical industry, and the medical field in general before I ever found this newsgroup. I know all about the corruption and scientism involved in the health (read illness) field. If you don't understand basic capitalism and vested interests and the trillions of dollars involved; well, Lord help ya, fella.
Yes, Google can be your friend. Key CAN BE (when it isn't engaging in censorship, WHICH IT ABSOLUTELY IS). Do you want to limit your sources to "official channels"? Fine. Good luck with that. I'm right behind you. Don't want to look into sources like David Pratt or Del Bigtree (the highwire.com) who actually looked at whistleblowers and scientists in these agencies using logic and clear, lucid thinking in exposing what is going on on a massive scale? Again, good luck with that. It should serve you well. Groovy man. Far out.
Was it something I said that sent you over the deep end again?
Or was it that I said "could all be" at the beginning??? :-)
OK then. If covid19 didn't kill the 4 million or so dead, I wonder what did? Or maybe there have no deaths and it;s all a conspiracy.
An Alabama physician says: “I’m admitting young healthy people to the hospital with very serious COVID infections. One of the last things they do before they’re intubated is beg me for the vaccine. I hold their hand and tell them that I’m sorry, but it’s too late. A few days later when I call time of death, I hug their family members and I tell them the best way to honor their loved one is to go get vaccinated and encourage everyone they know to do the same. They cry. And they tell me they didn’t know. They thought it was a hoax. They thought it was political. They thought because they had a certain blood type or a certain skin color they wouldn’t get as sick. They thought it was ‘just the flu’. But they were wrong. And they wish they could go back. But they can’t. So they thank me and they go get the vaccine. And I go back to my office, write their death note, and say a small prayer that this loss will save more lives.”
https://www.mediaite.com/news/doctor-describes-horror-of-covid-patients-begging-for-vaccine-just-before-intubation-im-sorry-but-its-too-late/
I should assume the Alabama physician is Corrupt too I guess.
PS I have not followed everything you've said on this topic TT, but I'm curious, could you at least clarify your own position, beliefs for me???
Because it's hard to know what you actually think eg around these issues ...
are viruses real and cause disease in humans?
are all vaccines a fraud? ie don;t actually work, or too dangerous??
Vaccines are a conspiracy?
Medical science is a conspiracy?
is cov-sars2 a real virus?
is covid19 a real disease caused by that virus?
has it killed 4 million worldwide and millions more got sick?
any other info, for at least a better understanding of why these things seem so important to you.
Like, is there a real thing called the Flu that keeps mutating and so new vaccines come out each year for susceptible people and health cafre workers?

or is the Flu a total fraud too?

I admit, I am most confused about what you think and why.
Henosis Sage
2021-07-23 01:08:49 UTC
Permalink
Post by Henosis Sage
Post by Henosis Sage
Post by Tisra Til
“Scientists have never demonstrated that a virus can enter the body from outside, penetrate a cell and cause it to become diseased (Gunn, 2014, ch. 4). There is no evidence that the viruses associated with a particular disease can actually cause that illness through skin contact, when breathed in or when ingested. A virology textbook mentions that experiments on the transmission of rhinovirus (cold virus) from a person on one side of a table to a person sitting opposite proved ‘singularly unsuccessful’. The transmission of influenza from a naturally infected husband/wife to his/her spouse was equally unsuccessful (Dimmock & Primrose, 1987, p. 230). All that can be said for certain is that a small percentage of people who have been in the presence of other sick people will develop a similar disease, while most will not. Allen et al. (1973) reported that six out of 12 men wintering at an isolated Antarctic base unexpectedly developed symptoms of a common cold after 17 weeks of complete isolation. Although specimens taken from the men failed to reveal a causative agent, it was assumed that the cause was probably a virus that had become reactivated after a sharp drop in temperature.
All viruses are made by cells, and they are mostly species- and organ-specific. Cells make viruses by producing short lengths of genetic code and wrapping part of their own outer membrane around them as they bud them out. One view is that this is a way of disposing of faulty genetic sequences (Quanten, 2004). Another view is that they are ‘repair proteins’ evolved from microzymas (Young, 2016a). In some cases, cells are believed to splice the genetic codes they receive from viruses into their own DNA. In contrast to viruses, cells are immensely complex: they respond intelligently to their surroundings and constantly communicate with one another. Photos of alleged viruses ‘injecting themselves’ into a cell actually show the cell engulfing the ‘virus’. This is a standard process – known as phagocytosis (‘cell-eating’) – that cells use to ingest bacteria, dead tissue debris and other errant cells (Baker, 2005).
Bacteria and viruses are very different. A bacterium is regarded as a living, self-replicating organism. Viruses are far smaller and simpler than bacteria, and consist of tiny bits of genetic material (RNA or DNA) – less than one billionth the size of the cell’s genetic code – contained within a protein capsule. They are inert particles with no respiratory, circulatory or digestive system; they display no metabolic activity and cannot move, grow or reproduce by themselves. They are therefore not alive as defined by science. The official view is that they reproduce by ‘hijacking’ a host cell, but nowhere in nature does any living thing reproduce anything other than its own kind. Viruses are also said to mutate very fast in a ‘cunning’ effort to defend themselves and survive. They allegedly lose the ability to take over other cells within a few hours of being outside the host body. However, the idea of an intelligent, highly sophisticated cell being taken over and killed by an inert particle a million times smaller than itself is absurd. In addition, no one has explained how the death of a cell is able to induce a fever or skin rash, or any of the other symptoms of a ‘viral’ disease. It is also unclear how a virus, which is not motile, manages to escape from the host cell and ‘hitch’ itself to a particle of saliva or mucus that is then ejected during a sneeze or cough. It is noteworthy that neither bacteria nor viruses can be grown on healthy tissue. They can only be cultured by using things like beef broth, albumen-based broth, or eggs to stimulate their growth. All these things are dead organic matter – the food that scavengers love.
Viruses were invented in the late 19th century to explain certain diseases that were not associated with bacteria; it was assumed that these viral microbes were too small to be observed under a light microscope. In practice, ‘viral’ infections are mostly diagnosed on the basis of clinical symptoms, not by directly detecting, isolating and identifying the virus. Indirect detection methods are also used. Sometimes people are said to be ‘infected’ if tests show that they have high antibody levels – even though the antibodies could have been produced in response to other things, and high antibody levels are also often cited as evidence that a person has been infected with a virus in the past and is now protected against it. Sometimes DNA or RNA fragments that are thought to be associated with a virus are looked for in diseased cells or fluids, and a technique known as polymerase chain reaction (PCR) is used to replicate them millions or billions of times and make them easier to find. But again it is impossible to know for certain whether such fragments actually come from the virus, since the genome of a purified virus has never been sequenced.”
https://www.davidpratt.info/ozone.htm
So millions of scientists/medical doctors and biologists, are wrong; and universities and laboratories are self-deluded places of work operated by nutters and liars???
David Pratt knows better?
I do not think so.
Fact Check-SARS-CoV-2 has been isolated and its complete genome has been sequenced
https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-covid-rna-idUSL1N2LS27P
Sequencing viral genomes from a single isolated plaque
https://virologyj.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1743-422X-10-181
Purification of Viral DNA for the Identification of Associated Viral and Cellular Proteins
Abstract
The goal of this protocol is to isolate herpes simplex virus type 1 (HSV-1) DNA from infected cells for the identification of associated viral and cellular proteins by mass spectrometry. Although proteins that interact with viral genomes play major roles in determining the outcome of infection, a comprehensive analysis of viral genome associated proteins was not previously feasible. ************* Here we demonstrate a method that enables the direct purification of HSV-1 genomes from infected cells.
Replicating viral DNA is selectively labeled with modified nucleotides that contain an alkyne functional group. Labeled DNA is then specifically and irreversibly tagged via the covalent attachment of biotin azide via a copper(I)-catalyzed azide-alkyne cycloaddition or click reaction. Biotin-tagged DNA is purified on streptavidin-coated beads and associated proteins are eluted and identified by mass spectrometry. This method enables the selective targeting and isolation of HSV-1 replication forks or whole genomes from complex biological environments. Furthermore, adaptation of this approach will allow for the investigation of various aspects of herpesviral infection, as well as the examination of the genomes of other DNA viruses.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28892026/
[ Q. I do wonder what all those words mean? ]
What Does Coronavirus Look Like? CDC Releases Images From First American COVID-19 Patient
https://www.forbes.com/sites/victoriaforster/2020/04/18/what-does-coronavirus-look-like-cdc-releases-images-from-first-american-covid-19-patient/
[photograph]
Transmission electron microscopic image of an isolate from the first U.S. case of COVID-19, formerly known as 2019-nCoV. The spherical viral particles, colorized blue, contain cross-sections through the viral genome, seen as black dots.
https://phil.cdc.gov/Details.aspx?pid=23354
[ Of course they could all be members of a grand conspiracy with tens of millions of participants, or of alien infiltration into our species since the 1950s, or possibly ancient Egypt. I am not 100% certain of anything. Because anything is possible, I guess. ]
Millions? Hardly. It's not an across the board agreement of every scientist in every field. That's ridiculous. And how many of these scientists and researchers work for Big Pharma? No agendas there? That's ridiculous. And none of these scientists (i.e. F*^ckw%d Fauci) have vested interests with Big Pharma, via patents for vaccines, for instance? That's ridiculous. And none of these people in high places (i.e. scientists,, researchers and doctors) have a revolving door with governments and their agencies (i.e. W.H.O., CDC, etc.). That's totally ridiculous. And the "science"? How much do you actually know? Do you only follow "official" channels? Like, say, following a certain religion and buying everything hook, line, and sinker. Do you know anyone like that? Or is that ridiculous to think people can actually do that when it comes to discovering a truth about something?
I've read books on the subject of medicine, pharmaceutical industry, and the medical field in general before I ever found this newsgroup. I know all about the corruption and scientism involved in the health (read illness) field. If you don't understand basic capitalism and vested interests and the trillions of dollars involved; well, Lord help ya, fella.
Yes, Google can be your friend. Key CAN BE (when it isn't engaging in censorship, WHICH IT ABSOLUTELY IS). Do you want to limit your sources to "official channels"? Fine. Good luck with that. I'm right behind you. Don't want to look into sources like David Pratt or Del Bigtree (the highwire.com) who actually looked at whistleblowers and scientists in these agencies using logic and clear, lucid thinking in exposing what is going on on a massive scale? Again, good luck with that. It should serve you well. Groovy man. Far out.
Was it something I said that sent you over the deep end again?
Or was it that I said "could all be" at the beginning??? :-)
OK then. If covid19 didn't kill the 4 million or so dead, I wonder what did? Or maybe there have no deaths and it;s all a conspiracy.
An Alabama physician says: “I’m admitting young healthy people to the hospital with very serious COVID infections. One of the last things they do before they’re intubated is beg me for the vaccine. I hold their hand and tell them that I’m sorry, but it’s too late. A few days later when I call time of death, I hug their family members and I tell them the best way to honor their loved one is to go get vaccinated and encourage everyone they know to do the same. They cry. And they tell me they didn’t know. They thought it was a hoax. They thought it was political. They thought because they had a certain blood type or a certain skin color they wouldn’t get as sick. They thought it was ‘just the flu’. But they were wrong. And they wish they could go back. But they can’t. So they thank me and they go get the vaccine. And I go back to my office, write their death note, and say a small prayer that this loss will save more lives.”
https://www.mediaite.com/news/doctor-describes-horror-of-covid-patients-begging-for-vaccine-just-before-intubation-im-sorry-but-its-too-late/
I should assume the Alabama physician is Corrupt too I guess.
PS I have not followed everything you've said on this topic TT, but I'm curious, could you at least clarify your own position, beliefs for me???
Because it's hard to know what you actually think eg around these issues ...
are viruses real and cause disease in humans?
are all vaccines a fraud? ie don;t actually work, or too dangerous??
Vaccines are a conspiracy?
Medical science is a conspiracy?
is cov-sars2 a real virus?
is covid19 a real disease caused by that virus?
has it killed 4 million worldwide and millions more got sick?
any other info, for at least a better understanding of why these things seem so important to you.
If you dont want to answer the questions, thats fine.

Tisra Til
2021-07-22 23:52:17 UTC
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“Scientists have never demonstrated that a virus can enter the body from outside, penetrate a cell and cause it to become diseased (Gunn, 2014, ch. 4). There is no evidence that the viruses associated with a particular disease can actually cause that illness through skin contact, when breathed in or when ingested. A virology textbook mentions that experiments on the transmission of rhinovirus (cold virus) from a person on one side of a table to a person sitting opposite proved ‘singularly unsuccessful’. The transmission of influenza from a naturally infected husband/wife to his/her spouse was equally unsuccessful (Dimmock & Primrose, 1987, p. 230). All that can be said for certain is that a small percentage of people who have been in the presence of other sick people will develop a similar disease, while most will not. Allen et al. (1973) reported that six out of 12 men wintering at an isolated Antarctic base unexpectedly developed symptoms of a common cold after 17 weeks of complete isolation. Although specimens taken from the men failed to reveal a causative agent, it was assumed that the cause was probably a virus that had become reactivated after a sharp drop in temperature.
All viruses are made by cells, and they are mostly species- and organ-specific. Cells make viruses by producing short lengths of genetic code and wrapping part of their own outer membrane around them as they bud them out. One view is that this is a way of disposing of faulty genetic sequences (Quanten, 2004). Another view is that they are ‘repair proteins’ evolved from microzymas (Young, 2016a). In some cases, cells are believed to splice the genetic codes they receive from viruses into their own DNA. In contrast to viruses, cells are immensely complex: they respond intelligently to their surroundings and constantly communicate with one another. Photos of alleged viruses ‘injecting themselves’ into a cell actually show the cell engulfing the ‘virus’. This is a standard process – known as phagocytosis (‘cell-eating’) – that cells use to ingest bacteria, dead tissue debris and other errant cells (Baker, 2005).
Bacteria and viruses are very different. A bacterium is regarded as a living, self-replicating organism. Viruses are far smaller and simpler than bacteria, and consist of tiny bits of genetic material (RNA or DNA) – less than one billionth the size of the cell’s genetic code – contained within a protein capsule. They are inert particles with no respiratory, circulatory or digestive system; they display no metabolic activity and cannot move, grow or reproduce by themselves. They are therefore not alive as defined by science. The official view is that they reproduce by ‘hijacking’ a host cell, but nowhere in nature does any living thing reproduce anything other than its own kind. Viruses are also said to mutate very fast in a ‘cunning’ effort to defend themselves and survive. They allegedly lose the ability to take over other cells within a few hours of being outside the host body. However, the idea of an intelligent, highly sophisticated cell being taken over and killed by an inert particle a million times smaller than itself is absurd. In addition, no one has explained how the death of a cell is able to induce a fever or skin rash, or any of the other symptoms of a ‘viral’ disease. It is also unclear how a virus, which is not motile, manages to escape from the host cell and ‘hitch’ itself to a particle of saliva or mucus that is then ejected during a sneeze or cough. It is noteworthy that neither bacteria nor viruses can be grown on healthy tissue. They can only be cultured by using things like beef broth, albumen-based broth, or eggs to stimulate their growth. All these things are dead organic matter – the food that scavengers love.
Viruses were invented in the late 19th century to explain certain diseases that were not associated with bacteria; it was assumed that these viral microbes were too small to be observed under a light microscope. In practice, ‘viral’ infections are mostly diagnosed on the basis of clinical symptoms, not by directly detecting, isolating and identifying the virus. Indirect detection methods are also used. Sometimes people are said to be ‘infected’ if tests show that they have high antibody levels – even though the antibodies could have been produced in response to other things, and high antibody levels are also often cited as evidence that a person has been infected with a virus in the past and is now protected against it. Sometimes DNA or RNA fragments that are thought to be associated with a virus are looked for in diseased cells or fluids, and a technique known as polymerase chain reaction (PCR) is used to replicate them millions or billions of times and make them easier to find. But again it is impossible to know for certain whether such fragments actually come from the virus, since the genome of a purified virus has never been sequenced.”
https://www.davidpratt.info/ozone.htm
So millions of scientists/medical doctors and biologists, are wrong; and universities and laboratories are self-deluded places of work operated by nutters and liars???
David Pratt knows better?
I do not think so.
Fact Check-SARS-CoV-2 has been isolated and its complete genome has been sequenced
https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-covid-rna-idUSL1N2LS27P
Sequencing viral genomes from a single isolated plaque
https://virologyj.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1743-422X-10-181
Purification of Viral DNA for the Identification of Associated Viral and Cellular Proteins
Abstract
The goal of this protocol is to isolate herpes simplex virus type 1 (HSV-1) DNA from infected cells for the identification of associated viral and cellular proteins by mass spectrometry. Although proteins that interact with viral genomes play major roles in determining the outcome of infection, a comprehensive analysis of viral genome associated proteins was not previously feasible. ************* Here we demonstrate a method that enables the direct purification of HSV-1 genomes from infected cells.
Replicating viral DNA is selectively labeled with modified nucleotides that contain an alkyne functional group. Labeled DNA is then specifically and irreversibly tagged via the covalent attachment of biotin azide via a copper(I)-catalyzed azide-alkyne cycloaddition or click reaction. Biotin-tagged DNA is purified on streptavidin-coated beads and associated proteins are eluted and identified by mass spectrometry. This method enables the selective targeting and isolation of HSV-1 replication forks or whole genomes from complex biological environments. Furthermore, adaptation of this approach will allow for the investigation of various aspects of herpesviral infection, as well as the examination of the genomes of other DNA viruses.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28892026/
[ Q. I do wonder what all those words mean? ]
What Does Coronavirus Look Like? CDC Releases Images From First American COVID-19 Patient
https://www.forbes.com/sites/victoriaforster/2020/04/18/what-does-coronavirus-look-like-cdc-releases-images-from-first-american-covid-19-patient/
[photograph]
Transmission electron microscopic image of an isolate from the first U.S. case of COVID-19, formerly known as 2019-nCoV. The spherical viral particles, colorized blue, contain cross-sections through the viral genome, seen as black dots.
https://phil.cdc.gov/Details.aspx?pid=23354
[ Of course they could all be members of a grand conspiracy with tens of millions of participants, or of alien infiltration into our species since the 1950s, or possibly ancient Egypt. I am not 100% certain of anything. Because anything is possible, I guess. ]
Millions? Hardly. It's not an across the board agreement of every scientist in every field. That's ridiculous. And how many of these scientists and researchers work for Big Pharma? No agendas there? That's ridiculous. And none of these scientists (i.e. F*^ckw%d Fauci) have vested interests with Big Pharma, via patents for vaccines, for instance? That's ridiculous. And none of these people in high places (i.e. scientists,, researchers and doctors) have a revolving door with governments and their agencies (i.e. W.H.O., CDC, etc.). That's totally ridiculous. And the "science"? How much do you actually know? Do you only follow "official" channels? Like, say, following a certain religion and buying everything hook, line, and sinker. Do you know anyone like that? Or is that ridiculous to think people can actually do that when it comes to discovering a truth about something?
I've read books on the subject of medicine, pharmaceutical industry, and the medical field in general before I ever found this newsgroup. I know all about the corruption and scientism involved in the health (read illness) field. If you don't understand basic capitalism and vested interests and the trillions of dollars involved; well, Lord help ya, fella.
Yes, Google can be your friend. Key CAN BE (when it isn't engaging in censorship, WHICH IT ABSOLUTELY IS). Do you want to limit your sources to "official channels"? Fine. Good luck with that. I'm right behind you. Don't want to look into sources like David Pratt or Del Bigtree (the highwire.com) who actually looked at whistleblowers and scientists in these agencies using logic and clear, lucid thinking in exposing what is going on on a massive scale? Again, good luck with that. It should serve you well. Groovy man. Far out.
Was it something I said that sent you over the deep end again?
Or was it that I said "could all be" at the beginning??? :-)
OK then. If covid19 didn't kill the 4 million or so dead, I wonder what did? Or maybe there have no deaths and it;s all a conspiracy.
An Alabama physician says: “I’m admitting young healthy people to the hospital with very serious COVID infections. One of the last things they do before they’re intubated is beg me for the vaccine. I hold their hand and tell them that I’m sorry, but it’s too late. A few days later when I call time of death, I hug their family members and I tell them the best way to honor their loved one is to go get vaccinated and encourage everyone they know to do the same. They cry. And they tell me they didn’t know. They thought it was a hoax. They thought it was political. They thought because they had a certain blood type or a certain skin color they wouldn’t get as sick. They thought it was ‘just the flu’. But they were wrong. And they wish they could go back. But they can’t. So they thank me and they go get the vaccine. And I go back to my office, write their death note, and say a small prayer that this loss will save more lives.”
ca
https://www.mediaite.com/news/doctor-describes-horror-of-covid-patients-begging-for-vaccine-just-before-intubation-im-sorry-but-its-too-late/
I should assume the Alabama physician is Corrupt too I guess.
No, I wasn't suggesting that all doctors believe the same thing, and are corrupted by faulty science by others by KNOWINGLY doing harm to others. I don't have any ideas of what the percentages could be. It could be only 2%, and 1% percent work for pharmaceutical companies, who, I would venture, have vested interests (any time there is $$$ involved, vested interests and conspiracies would be part of the territory). Human nature being what it is (e.g. Paul Twitchell, Harold Klemp, Doug Marman), the ability to find those who are self-seeking, desirous of power and recognition, and willing to corrupt others, seems to be a bottomless well. No matter how far down the well you go, there is always someone lurking in the shadows; ready to show the road to world fame and recognition.

The medical field is no exception. As to whether it is the status quo, the norm, the way it is, I really don't know. 99% of doctors could have the best of intentions, and truly believe in the Hippocratic Oath when they first enter the medical profession. But time, circumstances, influences, perks, cynicism, and so on, might change their views and beliefs. I looked into whistleblowers, and former employees in high places, and what they uncovered-revealed about the industry. Could they be lying? It's possible. But I don't really see what the benefits would be for them exposing what they experienced. They would more likely be vilified and denounced by others in the field for going against the party line, or "official stance" on the matter, and try to shut them up I don't really think there is a democratic process involved in medical research. Agendas? Ulterior motives? Wellllllllll..... That's all I can say. Let the person judge.

You might look into Peter Duesberg and the HIV=AIDS science debate if you haven't already. I found out about him many years ago, and read a lot of his ideas and perspectives, most of which I found on the web.
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