for fife the asshole from across the veil

Post by Henosis Sage
" Yeah about fife, I checked a.r.e. yesterday just briefly and I could see your
post about the blah blah blah and I thought fife was a fuckin' total asshole
and you see this is the kind of thing that really gets me,
and when I see responses like that I think of kinpa, you know
somebody who doesn't want to understand, thinks they're fuckin' self-righteous,
thinks that their shit doesn't stink and they're just god's gift to the world,
screw everyone else, they can talk down to people anyway they want
I thought that was horrible what he came back with. If I wasn't busy
I would have written something back about it. But it seems like nothing works.
" And people who want to be assholes - it's like way too easy to be an
asshole
online, on a chat group, because nobody can touch you, all they can only
send words, and they don't even know who you are [...] whether you're a
pseudonym created by somebody else to look like some other person [...]
that kind of pissed me off that asshole fife, it's not like we haven't given him feedback and other people besides us have given him feedback too.
and he's still acting like the same old asshole, now who does that remind
you of?
"look the good news is I think um that Tisra Til and Maplin both, and you
and I have got these character's numbers and know that they are both
assholes. and anyone can see that if they follow their a.r.e. posts,
that's all I can say about that. "
" I might have heard it wrongly but I though you said *Gollum* for referring
to fife, maybe JR and kinpa both. That's a good comparison. "
" Yeah I kinda know by a persons writing when they're going out of
their way just to be an asshole, and not to make any kind of sense,
because if they made sense then they'd have to debate, and they would
lose the debate, so they're just making up shit just to be assholes. " [...]
"Clearly what he's doing is underhanded because there's no reason for a
lot of that stuff. Myself, you, Tisra til and maybe Maplin too we've all seen
this in this "character" - it's just something that's strange. If it was a real
person with a real profile you'd be able to determine that and be able to
speak with the person ,about anything, after you got to know them."
"You see fife has gone out of his way to not let anyone get to know him
or know what the hell he is talking about. And that's why I think he's, the
character is not genuine, it's a made up character. "
" I guess the only thing to do is not to communicate with these folks. Or
not participate in a.r.e. anymore. I don't know but I think that serves their
purpose. They are not making threads about stuff, Kinpa and fife, not
about anything. There wouldn't be any activity if it wasn't for myself and
the occasional poster/thread, say by tisra til or that werner. "
" The only other alternative course of action I can think of is to present facts, make it short, with enough evidence that nobody can deny. And that way they can't respond. They can't counter it if it is grossly true. ....."
" No matter how fucked up a person is or how much an asshole they want
to be, they cannot completely counter the truth especially if it is presented
in a way with glaring evidence. Because that way if they did then people
would see that they are not there to have conversation, they're not there
to find the truth, they are just there to be assholes, and trolls and shit
disturbers. "
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" Oh yeah OK to me that looked pretty good especially the first response to fife. I thought it was good, and I noticed he didn't respond (but maybe he will today.) But the fact he didn't respond to that straight away shows that he knows it's true.
" It's pretty lame what he said to me, but I am not going to come back and speak for maplin, tisra til or werner.
" This something about the truth, ' shoving the truth down their throats'
they can't handle it, they're going to gag (hehehhahaha), if somebody is
trying to avoid the truth, constantly, especially in order to support some
anonymous profile whatever eventually they are going to throw up the
truth, we're going see bits and pieces, maybe it will come out that way.
" So yeah kudos to you, what you just wrote was kinda tame, and I think it's effective.
"OK so it's another day, you know what can fife say?
- ' I'm not the way you describe because of a,b and c' -
and is he going to do that and sound rational believable and honest in
the process, or is he just going to come back like a wanker?
"You know like little kids are like, where one kid says - 'nah nah na na na'
and the other kid goes ' wah wah wa wa wa' -
"That's kind of what this shit is that fife and kinpa are doing
- ' nah nah na na na' -
They are just making up shit just to throw something back. "
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Hi again,

I haven't followed the Fife vs. others side of things here, it hasn't
affected me and I wouldn't want to get involved. But what I notice about
this group is an enormous number of posts that want us to watch this or
that video, in support of whatever position on whatever.
That wouldn't interest me. It seems very preaching-to-the-choir; the
only people who would follow such a link are those who are already
convinced they agree with it, someone who disagrees wouldn't tolerate
it, and for the rest of us it's just not interesting.
There have been many over the years in all sorts of newsgroups, with
some barrow to push, and they often try to get new supporters and
converts by saying, "here, watch this video, it's all in there and
explains it really well." I think this is a bad idea, who's going to do
that if they're not already on-board with whatever the issue is? Not me.
What MIGHT get my attention is a short, well-written and succinct reason
*why* the issue should interest me. But not just a referral to someone else.

Hope you're doing well, I've been busy. In around February W.A. had
about a 4-week period of all the public places being closed when the
COVID numbers threatened to overwhelm the hospitals, but to my surprise,
tthat was the only time. I signed up for unemployment benefits,
expecting it to be like Melbourne and because I work in public places
for events production of course, but it just wasn't necessary. In fact
since then I've stayed busy working on lots of interesting stuff. The
international tours and concerts are back, and non-musical productions
like corporate events are still strong. Even now, traditionally the
quietest, dead part of the year for my industry, is healthy.

A couple of months ago the mandate for most of the government-run large
venues, like the Perth Arena, Optus Stadium and a few more, was removed
so that unvaccinated people could work there again. No problem, a lot of
our crew were anti-vaxxers, up to a third of them in fact. Which is a
surprise because they account for only about 2% of the general
population, they seem to be concentrated in this industry. But there was
one side of it that didn't sit right with us. We worked on a big concert
for a teen pop star guy, and on those events some of the crew will be
booked for what's called a "show call", where you are crew on the show
itself. Generally only the experienced, long-term crew get offered this
position, they need reliable people they know won't do something wrong.
You might be on the stage pushing the props around between acts or
songs, or there to deliver spares to the stage, or back-stage, that sort
of thing, or some of them operate the follow-spots, which are the big
spotlights/searchlights that are manually aimed by an operator. Our
supervisor is called crew chief.

The problem was, on these people's first day back in 2 years, some of
them walked straight in to the prime shifts anyone could get, including
the best show calls, and even our crew chief for that 2 years, the best
we've had IMO, had to step down for another guy coming back after
refusing to get vaccinated and therefore not working for two years. The
first day back and they get the absolute plum jobs. Meanwhile the rest
of us who kept the company going for them, had to sit back and miss out.
Not very good! During that 2 years we had to diversify and take all
sorts of odd non-events work, just to keep the doors open. We were down
to a skeleton crew too, maybe 20 people when a typical large show uses
over 100 and we had several times that on the books. So, for this group
to just walk back in on the FIRST DAY and get those positions was a
pretty obvious case of nepotism. We came out in support of the woman who
has been our crew chief during that time, our first female crew chief
and incidentally IMO the best we've ever had, totally professional,
trust-worthy and hard working.

I don't really have any problem with people doing what they believe in,
though I think they're misguided by bullshit and fighting the wrong
battle. But, to spend 2 years on the dole for it then displace those of
us who DID do the work so they'd even have a job to come back to, did
not see, right. I'm interested to see who's doing what at the next big jobs.

Anyways, going well for me. I've been able to keep putting my income
towards starting my little recording business, though I'm so busy I
haven't had the time to spend on getting it actually going. I've bought
a lot more lovely microphones, more than I need strictly but it's also
my interest and something I just love. Started my custom audio cables
sideline up again to help pay for it, I make the BEST guitar leads you
can get and they last a lifetime, I wire up new recording studios and
live sound systems, that sort of thing. And plenty of live mixing work.
So I'm really enjoying my work. The hours are all over the place and
up-predictable, but luckily for me since I'm now over 50, I'm starting
to be well-enough known to get better jobs than just pushing road cases.

All the best to everyone out there, the secret to success and to all
things is to forget everything else and just do your best. Simple.

fife

2022-07-11 21:37:56 UTC

Hi again,
I haven't followed the Fife vs. others side of things here, it hasn't
affected me and I wouldn't want to get involved. But what I notice about
this group is an enormous number of posts that want us to watch this or
that video, in support of whatever position on whatever.
That wouldn't interest me. It seems very preaching-to-the-choir; the
only people who would follow such a link are those who are already
convinced they agree with it, someone who disagrees wouldn't tolerate
it, and for the rest of us it's just not interesting.
There have been many over the years in all sorts of newsgroups, with
some barrow to push, and they often try to get new supporters and
converts by saying, "here, watch this video, it's all in there and
explains it really well." I think this is a bad idea, who's going to do
that if they're not already on-board with whatever the issue is? Not me.
What MIGHT get my attention is a short, well-written and succinct reason
*why* the issue should interest me. But not just a referral to someone else.
Hope you're doing well, I've been busy. In around February W.A. had
about a 4-week period of all the public places being closed when the
COVID numbers threatened to overwhelm the hospitals, but to my surprise,
tthat was the only time. I signed up for unemployment benefits,
expecting it to be like Melbourne and because I work in public places
for events production of course, but it just wasn't necessary. In fact
since then I've stayed busy working on lots of interesting stuff. The
international tours and concerts are back, and non-musical productions
like corporate events are still strong. Even now, traditionally the
quietest, dead part of the year for my industry, is healthy.
A couple of months ago the mandate for most of the government-run large
venues, like the Perth Arena, Optus Stadium and a few more, was removed
so that unvaccinated people could work there again. No problem, a lot of
our crew were anti-vaxxers, up to a third of them in fact. Which is a
surprise because they account for only about 2% of the general
population, they seem to be concentrated in this industry. But there was
one side of it that didn't sit right with us. We worked on a big concert
for a teen pop star guy, and on those events some of the crew will be
booked for what's called a "show call", where you are crew on the show
itself. Generally only the experienced, long-term crew get offered this
position, they need reliable people they know won't do something wrong.
You might be on the stage pushing the props around between acts or
songs, or there to deliver spares to the stage, or back-stage, that sort
of thing, or some of them operate the follow-spots, which are the big
spotlights/searchlights that are manually aimed by an operator. Our
supervisor is called crew chief.
The problem was, on these people's first day back in 2 years, some of
them walked straight in to the prime shifts anyone could get, including
the best show calls, and even our crew chief for that 2 years, the best
we've had IMO, had to step down for another guy coming back after
refusing to get vaccinated and therefore not working for two years. The
first day back and they get the absolute plum jobs. Meanwhile the rest
of us who kept the company going for them, had to sit back and miss out.
Not very good! During that 2 years we had to diversify and take all
sorts of odd non-events work, just to keep the doors open. We were down
to a skeleton crew too, maybe 20 people when a typical large show uses
over 100 and we had several times that on the books. So, for this group
to just walk back in on the FIRST DAY and get those positions was a
pretty obvious case of nepotism. We came out in support of the woman who
has been our crew chief during that time, our first female crew chief
and incidentally IMO the best we've ever had, totally professional,
trust-worthy and hard working.
I don't really have any problem with people doing what they believe in,
though I think they're misguided by bullshit and fighting the wrong
battle. But, to spend 2 years on the dole for it then displace those of
us who DID do the work so they'd even have a job to come back to, did
not see, right. I'm interested to see who's doing what at the next big jobs.
Anyways, going well for me. I've been able to keep putting my income
towards starting my little recording business, though I'm so busy I
haven't had the time to spend on getting it actually going. I've bought
a lot more lovely microphones, more than I need strictly but it's also
my interest and something I just love. Started my custom audio cables
sideline up again to help pay for it, I make the BEST guitar leads you
can get and they last a lifetime, I wire up new recording studios and
live sound systems, that sort of thing. And plenty of live mixing work.
So I'm really enjoying my work. The hours are all over the place and
up-predictable, but luckily for me since I'm now over 50, I'm starting
to be well-enough known to get better jobs than just pushing road cases.
All the best to everyone out there, the secret to success and to all
things is to forget everything else and just do your best. Simple.

Hi Maplin. It wasn't fife vs. others. More like 2 guys in this group vs. the world. But, bygones.
"Etznab" (Richard Davoli) died on May 2 and Sean hasn't posted anything for a month. He may be all done with this group. I don't know.

Glad you found some "lovely" microphones. And, just out of curiosity, idle chit-chat, have you built any models lately? Done any R/C flying? Done any woodworking?
Best of luck with your plans to start a recording business.

Maplin

2022-07-15 14:39:08 UTC

On 12/07/2022 5:37 am, fife wrote:

Snipped for brevity, not relevant to this discussion

Post by Maplin
Hi again,
I haven't followed the Fife vs. others side of things here, it hasn't
affected me and I wouldn't want to get involved. But what I notice about
this group is an enormous number of posts that want us to watch this or
that video, in support of whatever position on whatever.
That wouldn't interest me. It seems very preaching-to-the-choir; the
only people who would follow such a link are those who are already
convinced they agree with it, someone who disagrees wouldn't tolerate
it, and for the rest of us it's just not interesting.
There have been many over the years in all sorts of newsgroups, with
some barrow to push, and they often try to get new supporters and
converts by saying, "here, watch this video, it's all in there and
explains it really well." I think this is a bad idea, who's going to do
that if they're not already on-board with whatever the issue is? Not me.
What MIGHT get my attention is a short, well-written and succinct reason
*why* the issue should interest me. But not just a referral to someone else.
Hope you're doing well, I've been busy. In around February W.A. had
about a 4-week period of all the public places being closed when the
COVID numbers threatened to overwhelm the hospitals, but to my surprise,
tthat was the only time. I signed up for unemployment benefits,
expecting it to be like Melbourne and because I work in public places
for events production of course, but it just wasn't necessary. In fact
since then I've stayed busy working on lots of interesting stuff. The
international tours and concerts are back, and non-musical productions
like corporate events are still strong. Even now, traditionally the
quietest, dead part of the year for my industry, is healthy.
A couple of months ago the mandate for most of the government-run large
venues, like the Perth Arena, Optus Stadium and a few more, was removed
so that unvaccinated people could work there again. No problem, a lot of
our crew were anti-vaxxers, up to a third of them in fact. Which is a
surprise because they account for only about 2% of the general
population, they seem to be concentrated in this industry. But there was
one side of it that didn't sit right with us. We worked on a big concert
for a teen pop star guy, and on those events some of the crew will be
booked for what's called a "show call", where you are crew on the show
itself. Generally only the experienced, long-term crew get offered this
position, they need reliable people they know won't do something wrong.
You might be on the stage pushing the props around between acts or
songs, or there to deliver spares to the stage, or back-stage, that sort
of thing, or some of them operate the follow-spots, which are the big
spotlights/searchlights that are manually aimed by an operator. Our
supervisor is called crew chief.
The problem was, on these people's first day back in 2 years, some of
them walked straight in to the prime shifts anyone could get, including
the best show calls, and even our crew chief for that 2 years, the best
we've had IMO, had to step down for another guy coming back after
refusing to get vaccinated and therefore not working for two years. The
first day back and they get the absolute plum jobs. Meanwhile the rest
of us who kept the company going for them, had to sit back and miss out.
Not very good! During that 2 years we had to diversify and take all
sorts of odd non-events work, just to keep the doors open. We were down
to a skeleton crew too, maybe 20 people when a typical large show uses
over 100 and we had several times that on the books. So, for this group
to just walk back in on the FIRST DAY and get those positions was a
pretty obvious case of nepotism. We came out in support of the woman who
has been our crew chief during that time, our first female crew chief
and incidentally IMO the best we've ever had, totally professional,
trust-worthy and hard working.
I don't really have any problem with people doing what they believe in,
though I think they're misguided by bullshit and fighting the wrong
battle. But, to spend 2 years on the dole for it then displace those of
us who DID do the work so they'd even have a job to come back to, did
not see, right. I'm interested to see who's doing what at the next big jobs.
Anyways, going well for me. I've been able to keep putting my income
towards starting my little recording business, though I'm so busy I
haven't had the time to spend on getting it actually going. I've bought
a lot more lovely microphones, more than I need strictly but it's also
my interest and something I just love. Started my custom audio cables
sideline up again to help pay for it, I make the BEST guitar leads you
can get and they last a lifetime, I wire up new recording studios and
live sound systems, that sort of thing. And plenty of live mixing work.
So I'm really enjoying my work. The hours are all over the place and
up-predictable, but luckily for me since I'm now over 50, I'm starting
to be well-enough known to get better jobs than just pushing road cases.
All the best to everyone out there, the secret to success and to all
things is to forget everything else and just do your best. Simple.

Hi Maplin. It wasn't fife vs. others. More like 2 guys in this group vs. the world. But, bygones.
"Etznab" (Richard Davoli) died on May 2 and Sean hasn't posted anything for a month. He may be all done with this group. I don't know.
Glad you found some "lovely" microphones. And, just out of curiosity, idle chit-chat, have you built any models lately? Done any R/C flying? Done any woodworking?
Best of luck with your plans to start a recording business.

OK as I said, I tried to just keep out of the arguments. They're not my
business and I don't need a flame war.
I heard about Etznab, what a shock. I don't recall him mentioning
anything that might have caused it but I really wasn't following much.
Best wishes and my thoughts and prayers to his friends and family.

No I haven't continued my RC hobby recently. I was working on a big
model, to suit a truly fantastic engine someone kindly gave me as a
gift. If you care to google it the engine is a Saito FA-130TD. It's a
4-stroke flat twin-cylinder glow engine, meaning it runs on
methanol/nitro. Among that type of engine it's a classic. Big and heavy
but just a work of art. Not a true "boxer" engine as it only has a
single-pin crankshaft, so it is in fact a 180-degree V-twin. But the
compromise is very minor, it just means slight vibration at low RPM's
while benefiting from lightness, simplicity, cheapness and reliability.

If you know any RC stuff then possibly the world's most popular, most
copied and most built design is the Ugly Stik. In fact it's called "Das
Ugly Stik" because it's a very small joke to do with the fact that it
looks a little like a WW1 German fighter, I forget which but from memory
maybe it's a Fokker Eindekker. I chose this design and simply scaled it
up to suit this engine. That's easy enough, literally all I did was load
up the plans in an image editor and zoom in/magnify, and print it out.
But in the end, all I kept was the outline and wing profile, everything
else is my own design. There's not even a version (official that is) the
same size as mine; bigger and smaller, yes, but mine's a mutant.

For me the process of building a model is just as much about the build
as the finished plane. If what I wanted was simply to get something in
the air with the least amount of time and effort I would have done it
differently; I could have pretty much just bought something to suit that
engine off the shelf. But I wanted to try new techniques. My problem now
is a lack of places to work and transport to the RC club. I always went
with my Dad, as he loved it, but he also is no longer with us, since
2019. I don't have a car or license currently, I'm working on that, but
it makes it impractical for me to get there. I also live in a tiny flat,
just under 40 sq. meters, so to build a big model I have to dedicate the
most important space in there to working on it for a while, then put it
all away. So it's not really practical. I've tried to organise a place
to work but it's always fallen through. There may be a chance coming up
to use a nearby building as my workshop, but who knows.

But trying to solve that, I also partly satisfied my interest in general
woodwork. I built a wooden jig for assembling the wing, the idea is you
have two long rods, carbon fibre is best, parallel and clamped between
two end pieces, and each wing rib has 2 holes drilled in it. You slide
the ribs along the rods and space them evenly or however it's designed,
and build the rest of the structure onto them. The half-a-wing panel is
contained between the 2 end clamps, and when it's done you slide the
carbon rods out.

I used an I-beam type main spar. It still amazes me the strength the
right design or structure can achieve though made of such light and
flimsy stuff. The ribs were notched top and bottom for a Sitka Spruce (I
do just love wood) spar. I started with the bottom one, then cut shear
webs of balsa, which are just rectangles to fill the space between 2
ribs and the top and bottom spar. Once they're all in I glue the top
spar in place. I designed my jig so it can be flipped over to access the
bottom of the wing, and it had other features I mostly can't remember to
help with detailed steps of the build.

I did something special on that one I'd never tried and only rarely
heard of. Normally there's a balsa Leading Edge or LE, carved to the
proper profile, at the front tip of the ribs. Then you add a top and
bottom sheet from that to the spar, bend it and glue it down. This makes
a "D-tube" structure, basically a torsion tube and very stiff and strong
for its weight. But I did it differently this time. I used a free
website to plot my wing profiles, and had a former cut for me out of
polystyrene foam of that shape to a bit farther behind the spar. I made
a balsa sheet wide enough to wrap around from the top to bottom spars,
soaked it in water and ammonia, which softens the wood, and bent it to
follow the shape of the former; actually I guess it's really a mandrel.
When it dries it keeps that shape, it's quite amazing to see it work.
Then, I set the wing jig with the LE pointing up, put slow-setting glue
on the edges of the ribs and dropped the moulded LE skin over that, and
used all kinds of MacGuyver / Heath Robinson technology to hold it in
place while it set. It worked *perfectly*!!.... eventually. The secret
is, you have to find sheets of balsa with perfectly straight grain from
one end to the other, and that's harder than you'd think. But it's
non-negotiable as it WILL crack if you don't! I cracked and broke a few
skins trying to make it work, but it finally did. But, after all that, I
discovered that the ammonia trick makes the wood set brittle, so a good
knock and it's going to shatter. If I did it again I'd make a steam box,
or try soaking just in hot water. One reason this build was so slow was
that I experimented and prototyped most of these tricks before using
them on the model itself.

The Ugly Stik was designed to be very simple and quick to build, with
simple flat sheet sides, top and bottom of the fuselage. The fin and
tail-plane are just flat slabs too. But I built mine as a truss-work
structure. And for THAT, I built another jig. Each truss member has to
have its end carefully trimmed to the correct angle at just the right
place, so I made a little piece with that angle cut in it, to hold the
truss member at that angle. Then I made a sanding block and just ran
that back and forth, like a delicatessen salami-slicer, to finish the
end on it. I walked around studying the towers and jibs of cranes at
building sites to plan how I wanted the truss-work.

The outline of the roughly-circular vertical fin was another trick; I
used thin, 1/16" strips of balsa, soaked them in water and wrapped them
around a ply former to get the shape. There were 4 layers, glued
together, and when it dried it again kept the shape. You might be
surprised how stiff and strong a structure like that can be, like a
Glue-Lam beam for a house. Then there was truss-work inside that round
outline, and the rudder had a similar construction.

... and so on! I basically decided for that model to use all the clever
tricks I'd seen and heard of being used by the real guru old guys (RC is
infested with what we'll call "elders" ;) ), just to try them out. It
was very enjoyable for me, but took forever. It didn't matter though, as
it was just a project to do a little on now and then, or in front of the
TV making or sanding some little part. Those jigs I made were designed
not just for this model but to be re-usable for many more, so I took
extra time to design them properly and get them right. They're real
assets too. One of these was an engine test stand; I needed to run that
big twin up on the bench to get used to it before I try flying it, so
that was a serious little project in its own right. I was proud of the
result and it took a lot of time and effort; I had plans to make and
sell them on eBay, maybe I will, maybe not. I'm more into audio again now.

I kept photos of all this, I'll post a link later where you can see
them. I think they should all still be in a folder in my Google drive so
you can just click through and see them.

The audio stuff is taking up all my attention now, I must have spent
more than half my gross income on microphones, mounts, cable supplies
and hardware this year. I *love* my new microphones! Have a google for
an ElectroVoice RE20, the world's most popular radio announcer's
microphone. You'll probably recognise it straight away. I've wanted one
all my career but either couldn't justify the money at the time, or
didn't have it. So while I've been buying so many others the chance to
get one cheap (for it anyway) came up and I took it. I've learned
recently, if you see a good deal, get it NOW! Because it might not be
there tomorrow, and you might have to spend your funds elsewhere anyway.
This was a store demo that they promised me was utterly as-new, and
their word was good. It saved me almost $US100 and made it too good to
miss. I do a little voice-over work myself and it's the perfect tool for
that job, but it has many uses in music too. They designed in features
for radio that give it very useful characteristics as a studio recording
mic, and even for live work (which is 98% of my work).

What's really remarkable is that it's been in production since 1969 and
the design, look, materials and performance is still totally un-changed.
Usually the tooling wears out and they take the opportunity to "update"
the design, or they can't get the materials, or they nearly go broke or
it stops selling so they redesign it for that reason. There are mics
that have nominally been on the market even longer, but there are very
few that are truly unchanged - I'm aware of only a few and this is one.
The voice-over market in the USA is huge from the POV of a microphone
manufacturer, and they don't want to disturb that market at all. They
did bring out an update in the 80's, but the radio guys kept buying the
RE20 (the new one is the RE27), and they don't sound the same.

OK I can obviously go on forever about this! And I will doubtless post
more; at the audio gear forums what I really need is somewhere to just
dribble on about how much I enjoy my new stuff but they don't give you a
blog page. I figure here I'm not interrupting or disturbing anybody.

I'll organise somewhere to post photos but I'm home sick ATM, I think I
need to get to bed so I'll do it tomorrow.

All the best
Maplin

Maplin

2022-07-16 09:08:14 UTC

Post by Maplin
Snipped for brevity, not relevant to this discussion

Hi Maplin. It wasn't fife vs. others. More like 2 guys in this group
vs. the world. But, bygones.
"Etznab" (Richard Davoli) died on May 2 and Sean hasn't posted
anything for a month. He may be all done with this group. I don't know.
Glad you found some "lovely" microphones. And, just out of curiosity,
idle chit-chat, have you built any models lately? Done any R/C flying?
Done any woodworking?
Best of luck with your plans to start a recording business.

OK as I said, I tried to just keep out of the arguments. They're not my
business and I don't need a flame war.
I heard about Etznab, what a shock. I don't recall him mentioning
anything that might have caused it but I really wasn't following much.
Best wishes and my thoughts and prayers to his friends and family.
No I haven't continued my RC hobby recently. I was working on a big
model, to suit a truly fantastic engine someone kindly gave me as a
gift. If you care to google it the engine is a Saito FA-130TD. It's a
4-stroke flat twin-cylinder glow engine, meaning it runs on
methanol/nitro. Among that type of engine it's a classic. Big and heavy
but just a work of art. Not a true "boxer" engine as it only has a
single-pin crankshaft, so it is in fact a 180-degree V-twin. But the
compromise is very minor, it just means slight vibration at low RPM's
while benefiting from lightness, simplicity, cheapness and reliability.
If you know any RC stuff then possibly the world's most popular, most
copied and most built design is the Ugly Stik. In fact it's called "Das
Ugly Stik" because it's a very small joke to do with the fact that it
looks a little like a WW1 German fighter, I forget which but from memory
maybe it's a Fokker Eindekker. I chose this design and simply scaled it
up to suit this engine. That's easy enough, literally all I did was load
up the plans in an image editor and zoom in/magnify, and print it out.
But in the end, all I kept was the outline and wing profile, everything
else is my own design. There's not even a version (official that is) the
same size as mine; bigger and smaller, yes, but mine's a mutant.
For me the process of building a model is just as much about the build
as the finished plane. If what I wanted was simply to get something in
the air with the least amount of time and effort I would have done it
differently; I could have pretty much just bought something to suit that
engine off the shelf. But I wanted to try new techniques. My problem now
is a lack of places to work and transport to the RC club. I always went
with my Dad, as he loved it, but he also is no longer with us, since
2019. I don't have a car or license currently, I'm working on that, but
it makes it impractical for me to get there. I also live in a tiny flat,
just under 40 sq. meters, so to build a big model I have to dedicate the
most important space in there to working on it for a while, then put it
all away. So it's not really practical. I've tried to organise a place
to work but it's always fallen through. There may be a chance coming up
to use a nearby building as my workshop, but who knows.
But trying to solve that, I also partly satisfied my interest in general
woodwork. I built a wooden jig for assembling the wing, the idea is you
have two long rods, carbon fibre is best, parallel and clamped between
two end pieces, and each wing rib has 2 holes drilled in it. You slide
the ribs along the rods and space them evenly or however it's designed,
and build the rest of the structure onto them. The half-a-wing panel is
contained between the 2 end clamps, and when it's done you slide the
carbon rods out.
I used an I-beam type main spar. It still amazes me the strength the
right design or structure can achieve though made of such light and
flimsy stuff. The ribs were notched top and bottom for a Sitka Spruce (I
do just love wood) spar. I started with the bottom one, then cut shear
webs of balsa, which are just rectangles to fill the space between 2
ribs and the top and bottom spar. Once they're all in I glue the top
spar in place. I designed my jig so it can be flipped over to access the
bottom of the wing, and it had other features I mostly can't remember to
help with detailed steps of the build.
I did something special on that one I'd never tried and only rarely
heard of. Normally there's a balsa Leading Edge or LE, carved to the
proper profile, at the front tip of the ribs. Then you add a top and
bottom sheet from that to the spar, bend it and glue it down. This makes
a "D-tube" structure, basically a torsion tube and very stiff and strong
for its weight. But I did it differently this time. I used a free
website to plot my wing profiles, and had a former cut for me out of
polystyrene foam of that shape to a bit farther behind the spar. I made
a balsa sheet wide enough to wrap around from the top to bottom spars,
soaked it in water and ammonia, which softens the wood, and bent it to
follow the shape of the former; actually I guess it's really a mandrel.
When it dries it keeps that shape, it's quite amazing to see it work.
Then, I set the wing jig with the LE pointing up, put slow-setting glue
on the edges of the ribs and dropped the moulded LE skin over that, and
used all kinds of MacGuyver / Heath Robinson technology to hold it in
place while it set. It worked *perfectly*!!.... eventually. The secret
is, you have to find sheets of balsa with perfectly straight grain from
one end to the other, and that's harder than you'd think. But it's
non-negotiable as it WILL crack if you don't! I cracked and broke a few
skins trying to make it work, but it finally did. But, after all that, I
discovered that the ammonia trick makes the wood set brittle, so a good
knock and it's going to shatter. If I did it again I'd make a steam box,
or try soaking just in hot water. One reason this build was so slow was
that I experimented and prototyped most of these tricks before using
them on the model itself.
The Ugly Stik was designed to be very simple and quick to build, with
simple flat sheet sides, top and bottom of the fuselage. The fin and
tail-plane are just flat slabs too. But I built mine as a truss-work
structure. And for THAT, I built another jig. Each truss member has to
have its end carefully trimmed to the correct angle at just the right
place, so I made a little piece with that angle cut in it, to hold the
truss member at that angle. Then I made a sanding block and just ran
that back and forth, like a delicatessen salami-slicer, to finish the
end on it. I walked around studying the towers and jibs of cranes at
building sites to plan how I wanted the truss-work.
The outline of the roughly-circular vertical fin was another trick; I
used thin, 1/16" strips of balsa, soaked them in water and wrapped them
around a ply former to get the shape. There were 4 layers, glued
together, and when it dried it again kept the shape. You might be
surprised how stiff and strong a structure like that can be, like a
Glue-Lam beam for a house. Then there was truss-work inside that round
outline, and the rudder had a similar construction.
... and so on! I basically decided for that model to use all the clever
tricks I'd seen and heard of being used by the real guru old guys (RC is
infested with what we'll call "elders" ;) ), just to try them out. It
was very enjoyable for me, but took forever. It didn't matter though, as
it was just a project to do a little on now and then, or in front of the
TV making or sanding some little part. Those jigs I made were designed
not just for this model but to be re-usable for many more, so I took
extra time to design them properly and get them right. They're real
assets too. One of these was an engine test stand; I needed to run that
big twin up on the bench to get used to it before I try flying it, so
that was a serious little project in its own right. I was proud of the
result and it took a lot of time and effort; I had plans to make and
sell them on eBay, maybe I will, maybe not. I'm more into audio again now.
I kept photos of all this, I'll post a link later where you can see
them. I think they should all still be in a folder in my Google drive so
you can just click through and see them.
The audio stuff is taking up all my attention now, I must have spent
more than half my gross income on microphones, mounts, cable supplies
and hardware this year. I *love* my new microphones! Have a google for
an ElectroVoice RE20, the world's most popular radio announcer's
microphone. You'll probably recognise it straight away. I've wanted one
all my career but either couldn't justify the money at the time, or
didn't have it. So while I've been buying so many others the chance to
get one cheap (for it anyway) came up and I took it. I've learned
recently, if you see a good deal, get it NOW! Because it might not be
there tomorrow, and you might have to spend your funds elsewhere anyway.
This was a store demo that they promised me was utterly as-new, and
their word was good. It saved me almost $US100 and made it too good to
miss. I do a little voice-over work myself and it's the perfect tool for
that job, but it has many uses in music too. They designed in features
for radio that give it very useful characteristics as a studio recording
mic, and even for live work (which is 98% of my work).
What's really remarkable is that it's been in production since 1969 and
the design, look, materials and performance is still totally un-changed.
Usually the tooling wears out and they take the opportunity to "update"
the design, or they can't get the materials, or they nearly go broke or
it stops selling so they redesign it for that reason. There are mics
that have nominally been on the market even longer, but there are very
few that are truly unchanged - I'm aware of only a few and this is one.
The voice-over market in the USA is huge from the POV of a microphone
manufacturer, and they don't want to disturb that market at all. They
did bring out an update in the 80's, but the radio guys kept buying the
RE20 (the new one is the RE27), and they don't sound the same.
OK I can obviously go on forever about this! And I will doubtless post
more; at the audio gear forums what I really need is somewhere to just
dribble on about how much I enjoy my new stuff but they don't give you a
blog page. I figure here I'm not interrupting or disturbing anybody.
I'll organise somewhere to post photos but I'm home sick ATM, I think I
need to get to bed so I'll do it tomorrow.
All the best
Maplin

Turns out I haven't uploaded my model photos to my google drive. I will
and I'll post a link when I do, but I just found out I've got covid and
I seriously feel like crap or worse. I'll wait until I've got some
energy and start a new thread for it.

But in the meantime, I did actually upload photos, manuals and other
stuff for the engines I use. All mine are Saito 4-strokes, as opposed to
the angry-mosquito-on-PCP-sounding 2-strokes of yesteryear. The
4-strokes are just such a better machine IMO... not to disparage the
quality of the manufacturers, I just don't like that design. Or maybe
it's just the sound, if anything sounded like that at one of my gigs I'd
hit all the mute switches before it blew something up!
Saito also make marvellous little miniature steam engines, and you can
get them with advanced boilers, gauges, relief valves, even proper
triple-expansion engines like the big ships used, and the even do make
large model ships to put them in. You'd be looking at some thousands of
dollars (5 to 10 at a guess) to get it all up and running with their
mid- to higher-end products.

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B70fYBYrlDa-Ml9kYnlERUVuVk0?resourcekey=0-5wJop8eEAyyrIIiojq_AtA&usp=sharing

There might be pic's of my other stuff in there, it's a while since I
looked. Back later

PS I don't believe I've got a serious case, I just feel really blehh.

fife

2022-07-18 19:02:35 UTC

Post by Maplin
Snipped for brevity, not relevant to this discussion

Hi Maplin. It wasn't fife vs. others. More like 2 guys in this group
vs. the world. But, bygones.
"Etznab" (Richard Davoli) died on May 2 and Sean hasn't posted
anything for a month. He may be all done with this group. I don't know.
Glad you found some "lovely" microphones. And, just out of curiosity,
idle chit-chat, have you built any models lately? Done any R/C flying?
Done any woodworking?
Best of luck with your plans to start a recording business.

OK as I said, I tried to just keep out of the arguments. They're not my
business and I don't need a flame war.
I heard about Etznab, what a shock. I don't recall him mentioning
anything that might have caused it but I really wasn't following much.
Best wishes and my thoughts and prayers to his friends and family.
No I haven't continued my RC hobby recently. I was working on a big
model, to suit a truly fantastic engine someone kindly gave me as a
gift. If you care to google it the engine is a Saito FA-130TD. It's a
4-stroke flat twin-cylinder glow engine, meaning it runs on
methanol/nitro. Among that type of engine it's a classic. Big and heavy
but just a work of art. Not a true "boxer" engine as it only has a
single-pin crankshaft, so it is in fact a 180-degree V-twin. But the
compromise is very minor, it just means slight vibration at low RPM's
while benefiting from lightness, simplicity, cheapness and reliability.
If you know any RC stuff then possibly the world's most popular, most
copied and most built design is the Ugly Stik. In fact it's called "Das
Ugly Stik" because it's a very small joke to do with the fact that it
looks a little like a WW1 German fighter, I forget which but from memory
maybe it's a Fokker Eindekker. I chose this design and simply scaled it
up to suit this engine. That's easy enough, literally all I did was load
up the plans in an image editor and zoom in/magnify, and print it out.
But in the end, all I kept was the outline and wing profile, everything
else is my own design. There's not even a version (official that is) the
same size as mine; bigger and smaller, yes, but mine's a mutant.
For me the process of building a model is just as much about the build
as the finished plane. If what I wanted was simply to get something in
the air with the least amount of time and effort I would have done it
differently; I could have pretty much just bought something to suit that
engine off the shelf. But I wanted to try new techniques. My problem now
is a lack of places to work and transport to the RC club. I always went
with my Dad, as he loved it, but he also is no longer with us, since
2019. I don't have a car or license currently, I'm working on that, but
it makes it impractical for me to get there. I also live in a tiny flat,
just under 40 sq. meters, so to build a big model I have to dedicate the
most important space in there to working on it for a while, then put it
all away. So it's not really practical. I've tried to organise a place
to work but it's always fallen through. There may be a chance coming up
to use a nearby building as my workshop, but who knows.
But trying to solve that, I also partly satisfied my interest in general
woodwork. I built a wooden jig for assembling the wing, the idea is you
have two long rods, carbon fibre is best, parallel and clamped between
two end pieces, and each wing rib has 2 holes drilled in it. You slide
the ribs along the rods and space them evenly or however it's designed,
and build the rest of the structure onto them. The half-a-wing panel is
contained between the 2 end clamps, and when it's done you slide the
carbon rods out.
I used an I-beam type main spar. It still amazes me the strength the
right design or structure can achieve though made of such light and
flimsy stuff. The ribs were notched top and bottom for a Sitka Spruce (I
do just love wood) spar. I started with the bottom one, then cut shear
webs of balsa, which are just rectangles to fill the space between 2
ribs and the top and bottom spar. Once they're all in I glue the top
spar in place. I designed my jig so it can be flipped over to access the
bottom of the wing, and it had other features I mostly can't remember to
help with detailed steps of the build.
I did something special on that one I'd never tried and only rarely
heard of. Normally there's a balsa Leading Edge or LE, carved to the
proper profile, at the front tip of the ribs. Then you add a top and
bottom sheet from that to the spar, bend it and glue it down. This makes
a "D-tube" structure, basically a torsion tube and very stiff and strong
for its weight. But I did it differently this time. I used a free
website to plot my wing profiles, and had a former cut for me out of
polystyrene foam of that shape to a bit farther behind the spar. I made
a balsa sheet wide enough to wrap around from the top to bottom spars,
soaked it in water and ammonia, which softens the wood, and bent it to
follow the shape of the former; actually I guess it's really a mandrel.
When it dries it keeps that shape, it's quite amazing to see it work.
Then, I set the wing jig with the LE pointing up, put slow-setting glue
on the edges of the ribs and dropped the moulded LE skin over that, and
used all kinds of MacGuyver / Heath Robinson technology to hold it in
place while it set. It worked *perfectly*!!.... eventually. The secret
is, you have to find sheets of balsa with perfectly straight grain from
one end to the other, and that's harder than you'd think. But it's
non-negotiable as it WILL crack if you don't! I cracked and broke a few
skins trying to make it work, but it finally did. But, after all that, I
discovered that the ammonia trick makes the wood set brittle, so a good
knock and it's going to shatter. If I did it again I'd make a steam box,
or try soaking just in hot water. One reason this build was so slow was
that I experimented and prototyped most of these tricks before using
them on the model itself.
The Ugly Stik was designed to be very simple and quick to build, with
simple flat sheet sides, top and bottom of the fuselage. The fin and
tail-plane are just flat slabs too. But I built mine as a truss-work
structure. And for THAT, I built another jig. Each truss member has to
have its end carefully trimmed to the correct angle at just the right
place, so I made a little piece with that angle cut in it, to hold the
truss member at that angle. Then I made a sanding block and just ran
that back and forth, like a delicatessen salami-slicer, to finish the
end on it. I walked around studying the towers and jibs of cranes at
building sites to plan how I wanted the truss-work.
The outline of the roughly-circular vertical fin was another trick; I
used thin, 1/16" strips of balsa, soaked them in water and wrapped them
around a ply former to get the shape. There were 4 layers, glued
together, and when it dried it again kept the shape. You might be
surprised how stiff and strong a structure like that can be, like a
Glue-Lam beam for a house. Then there was truss-work inside that round
outline, and the rudder had a similar construction.
... and so on! I basically decided for that model to use all the clever
tricks I'd seen and heard of being used by the real guru old guys (RC is
infested with what we'll call "elders" ;) ), just to try them out. It
was very enjoyable for me, but took forever. It didn't matter though, as
it was just a project to do a little on now and then, or in front of the
TV making or sanding some little part. Those jigs I made were designed
not just for this model but to be re-usable for many more, so I took
extra time to design them properly and get them right. They're real
assets too. One of these was an engine test stand; I needed to run that
big twin up on the bench to get used to it before I try flying it, so
that was a serious little project in its own right. I was proud of the
result and it took a lot of time and effort; I had plans to make and
sell them on eBay, maybe I will, maybe not. I'm more into audio again now.
I kept photos of all this, I'll post a link later where you can see
them. I think they should all still be in a folder in my Google drive so
you can just click through and see them.
The audio stuff is taking up all my attention now, I must have spent
more than half my gross income on microphones, mounts, cable supplies
and hardware this year. I *love* my new microphones! Have a google for
an ElectroVoice RE20, the world's most popular radio announcer's
microphone. You'll probably recognise it straight away. I've wanted one
all my career but either couldn't justify the money at the time, or
didn't have it. So while I've been buying so many others the chance to
get one cheap (for it anyway) came up and I took it. I've learned
recently, if you see a good deal, get it NOW! Because it might not be
there tomorrow, and you might have to spend your funds elsewhere anyway.
This was a store demo that they promised me was utterly as-new, and
their word was good. It saved me almost $US100 and made it too good to
miss. I do a little voice-over work myself and it's the perfect tool for
that job, but it has many uses in music too. They designed in features
for radio that give it very useful characteristics as a studio recording
mic, and even for live work (which is 98% of my work).
What's really remarkable is that it's been in production since 1969 and
the design, look, materials and performance is still totally un-changed.
Usually the tooling wears out and they take the opportunity to "update"
the design, or they can't get the materials, or they nearly go broke or
it stops selling so they redesign it for that reason. There are mics
that have nominally been on the market even longer, but there are very
few that are truly unchanged - I'm aware of only a few and this is one.
The voice-over market in the USA is huge from the POV of a microphone
manufacturer, and they don't want to disturb that market at all. They
did bring out an update in the 80's, but the radio guys kept buying the
RE20 (the new one is the RE27), and they don't sound the same.
OK I can obviously go on forever about this! And I will doubtless post
more; at the audio gear forums what I really need is somewhere to just
dribble on about how much I enjoy my new stuff but they don't give you a
blog page. I figure here I'm not interrupting or disturbing anybody.
I'll organise somewhere to post photos but I'm home sick ATM, I think I
need to get to bed so I'll do it tomorrow.
All the best
Maplin

Turns out I haven't uploaded my model photos to my google drive. I will
and I'll post a link when I do, but I just found out I've got covid and
I seriously feel like crap or worse. I'll wait until I've got some
energy and start a new thread for it.
But in the meantime, I did actually upload photos, manuals and other
stuff for the engines I use. All mine are Saito 4-strokes, as opposed to
the angry-mosquito-on-PCP-sounding 2-strokes of yesteryear. The
4-strokes are just such a better machine IMO... not to disparage the
quality of the manufacturers, I just don't like that design. Or maybe
it's just the sound, if anything sounded like that at one of my gigs I'd
hit all the mute switches before it blew something up!
Saito also make marvellous little miniature steam engines, and you can
get them with advanced boilers, gauges, relief valves, even proper
triple-expansion engines like the big ships used, and the even do make
large model ships to put them in. You'd be looking at some thousands of
dollars (5 to 10 at a guess) to get it all up and running with their
mid- to higher-end products.
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B70fYBYrlDa-Ml9kYnlERUVuVk0?resourcekey=0-5wJop8eEAyyrIIiojq_AtA&usp=sharing
There might be pic's of my other stuff in there, it's a while since I
looked. Back later
PS I don't believe I've got a serious case, I just feel really blehh.

Hey, Maplin. Interesting, the link you posted. I'm 75 so my model building days go back to the last couple of years of the '50s and the first couple of years of the '60s. I don't know how much R/C there was around then but it wasn't something we could afford anyway, so it was all hand-held control line flying. But it wasn't just planes. It was boats and cars too. I remember a glo plug outboard motor I could put on the transom of a model speed boat I had. And at one point I got a hand-me-down race car. Essentially a shell someone had machined out of magnesium with six inch rubber tires, a drive train and a monster glo plug engine amidships. I don't remember the specifics of the engine now. Probably a Cox, maybe. Anyway, it really made that racing shell fly along the ground.

I know what you mean about woodworking being relaxing, restful, and rewarding. I don't have any workshop space at this time either but still have some tools that are always useful.

Rigging? I take it you rig sound systems? I know a little bit about rigging. When "we" (my mob) were younger I had a couple of friends and one in particular who worked for an outfit called Ocean State Rigging. He'd go out on tour with the likes of Jackson Browne, Pearl Jam, and others of that era rigging their shows.

Anyway, I don't know what to say but keep on doing. That's what it's all about anyway, eh?

Henosis Sage

2022-07-19 02:10:33 UTC

Post by Maplin
Snipped for brevity, not relevant to this discussion

Hi Maplin. It wasn't fife vs. others. More like 2 guys in this group
vs. the world. But, bygones.
"Etznab" (Richard Davoli) died on May 2 and Sean hasn't posted
anything for a month. He may be all done with this group. I don't know.
Glad you found some "lovely" microphones. And, just out of curiosity,
idle chit-chat, have you built any models lately? Done any R/C flying?
Done any woodworking?
Best of luck with your plans to start a recording business.

OK as I said, I tried to just keep out of the arguments. They're not my
business and I don't need a flame war.
I heard about Etznab, what a shock. I don't recall him mentioning
anything that might have caused it but I really wasn't following much.
Best wishes and my thoughts and prayers to his friends and family.
No I haven't continued my RC hobby recently. I was working on a big
model, to suit a truly fantastic engine someone kindly gave me as a
gift. If you care to google it the engine is a Saito FA-130TD. It's a
4-stroke flat twin-cylinder glow engine, meaning it runs on
methanol/nitro. Among that type of engine it's a classic. Big and heavy
but just a work of art. Not a true "boxer" engine as it only has a
single-pin crankshaft, so it is in fact a 180-degree V-twin. But the
compromise is very minor, it just means slight vibration at low RPM's
while benefiting from lightness, simplicity, cheapness and reliability.
If you know any RC stuff then possibly the world's most popular, most
copied and most built design is the Ugly Stik. In fact it's called "Das
Ugly Stik" because it's a very small joke to do with the fact that it
looks a little like a WW1 German fighter, I forget which but from memory
maybe it's a Fokker Eindekker. I chose this design and simply scaled it
up to suit this engine. That's easy enough, literally all I did was load
up the plans in an image editor and zoom in/magnify, and print it out.
But in the end, all I kept was the outline and wing profile, everything
else is my own design. There's not even a version (official that is) the
same size as mine; bigger and smaller, yes, but mine's a mutant.
For me the process of building a model is just as much about the build
as the finished plane. If what I wanted was simply to get something in
the air with the least amount of time and effort I would have done it
differently; I could have pretty much just bought something to suit that
engine off the shelf. But I wanted to try new techniques. My problem now
is a lack of places to work and transport to the RC club. I always went
with my Dad, as he loved it, but he also is no longer with us, since
2019. I don't have a car or license currently, I'm working on that, but
it makes it impractical for me to get there. I also live in a tiny flat,
just under 40 sq. meters, so to build a big model I have to dedicate the
most important space in there to working on it for a while, then put it
all away. So it's not really practical. I've tried to organise a place
to work but it's always fallen through. There may be a chance coming up
to use a nearby building as my workshop, but who knows.
But trying to solve that, I also partly satisfied my interest in general
woodwork. I built a wooden jig for assembling the wing, the idea is you
have two long rods, carbon fibre is best, parallel and clamped between
two end pieces, and each wing rib has 2 holes drilled in it. You slide
the ribs along the rods and space them evenly or however it's designed,
and build the rest of the structure onto them. The half-a-wing panel is
contained between the 2 end clamps, and when it's done you slide the
carbon rods out.
I used an I-beam type main spar. It still amazes me the strength the
right design or structure can achieve though made of such light and
flimsy stuff. The ribs were notched top and bottom for a Sitka Spruce (I
do just love wood) spar. I started with the bottom one, then cut shear
webs of balsa, which are just rectangles to fill the space between 2
ribs and the top and bottom spar. Once they're all in I glue the top
spar in place. I designed my jig so it can be flipped over to access the
bottom of the wing, and it had other features I mostly can't remember to
help with detailed steps of the build.
I did something special on that one I'd never tried and only rarely
heard of. Normally there's a balsa Leading Edge or LE, carved to the
proper profile, at the front tip of the ribs. Then you add a top and
bottom sheet from that to the spar, bend it and glue it down. This makes
a "D-tube" structure, basically a torsion tube and very stiff and strong
for its weight. But I did it differently this time. I used a free
website to plot my wing profiles, and had a former cut for me out of
polystyrene foam of that shape to a bit farther behind the spar. I made
a balsa sheet wide enough to wrap around from the top to bottom spars,
soaked it in water and ammonia, which softens the wood, and bent it to
follow the shape of the former; actually I guess it's really a mandrel.
When it dries it keeps that shape, it's quite amazing to see it work.
Then, I set the wing jig with the LE pointing up, put slow-setting glue
on the edges of the ribs and dropped the moulded LE skin over that, and
used all kinds of MacGuyver / Heath Robinson technology to hold it in
place while it set. It worked *perfectly*!!.... eventually. The secret
is, you have to find sheets of balsa with perfectly straight grain from
one end to the other, and that's harder than you'd think. But it's
non-negotiable as it WILL crack if you don't! I cracked and broke a few
skins trying to make it work, but it finally did. But, after all that, I
discovered that the ammonia trick makes the wood set brittle, so a good
knock and it's going to shatter. If I did it again I'd make a steam box,
or try soaking just in hot water. One reason this build was so slow was
that I experimented and prototyped most of these tricks before using
them on the model itself.
The Ugly Stik was designed to be very simple and quick to build, with
simple flat sheet sides, top and bottom of the fuselage. The fin and
tail-plane are just flat slabs too. But I built mine as a truss-work
structure. And for THAT, I built another jig. Each truss member has to
have its end carefully trimmed to the correct angle at just the right
place, so I made a little piece with that angle cut in it, to hold the
truss member at that angle. Then I made a sanding block and just ran
that back and forth, like a delicatessen salami-slicer, to finish the
end on it. I walked around studying the towers and jibs of cranes at
building sites to plan how I wanted the truss-work.
The outline of the roughly-circular vertical fin was another trick; I
used thin, 1/16" strips of balsa, soaked them in water and wrapped them
around a ply former to get the shape. There were 4 layers, glued
together, and when it dried it again kept the shape. You might be
surprised how stiff and strong a structure like that can be, like a
Glue-Lam beam for a house. Then there was truss-work inside that round
outline, and the rudder had a similar construction.
... and so on! I basically decided for that model to use all the clever
tricks I'd seen and heard of being used by the real guru old guys (RC is
infested with what we'll call "elders" ;) ), just to try them out. It
was very enjoyable for me, but took forever. It didn't matter though, as
it was just a project to do a little on now and then, or in front of the
TV making or sanding some little part. Those jigs I made were designed
not just for this model but to be re-usable for many more, so I took
extra time to design them properly and get them right. They're real
assets too. One of these was an engine test stand; I needed to run that
big twin up on the bench to get used to it before I try flying it, so
that was a serious little project in its own right. I was proud of the
result and it took a lot of time and effort; I had plans to make and
sell them on eBay, maybe I will, maybe not. I'm more into audio again now.
I kept photos of all this, I'll post a link later where you can see
them. I think they should all still be in a folder in my Google drive so
you can just click through and see them.
The audio stuff is taking up all my attention now, I must have spent
more than half my gross income on microphones, mounts, cable supplies
and hardware this year. I *love* my new microphones! Have a google for
an ElectroVoice RE20, the world's most popular radio announcer's
microphone. You'll probably recognise it straight away. I've wanted one
all my career but either couldn't justify the money at the time, or
didn't have it. So while I've been buying so many others the chance to
get one cheap (for it anyway) came up and I took it. I've learned
recently, if you see a good deal, get it NOW! Because it might not be
there tomorrow, and you might have to spend your funds elsewhere anyway.
This was a store demo that they promised me was utterly as-new, and
their word was good. It saved me almost $US100 and made it too good to
miss. I do a little voice-over work myself and it's the perfect tool for
that job, but it has many uses in music too. They designed in features
for radio that give it very useful characteristics as a studio recording
mic, and even for live work (which is 98% of my work).
What's really remarkable is that it's been in production since 1969 and
the design, look, materials and performance is still totally un-changed.
Usually the tooling wears out and they take the opportunity to "update"
the design, or they can't get the materials, or they nearly go broke or
it stops selling so they redesign it for that reason. There are mics
that have nominally been on the market even longer, but there are very
few that are truly unchanged - I'm aware of only a few and this is one.
The voice-over market in the USA is huge from the POV of a microphone
manufacturer, and they don't want to disturb that market at all. They
did bring out an update in the 80's, but the radio guys kept buying the
RE20 (the new one is the RE27), and they don't sound the same.
OK I can obviously go on forever about this! And I will doubtless post
more; at the audio gear forums what I really need is somewhere to just
dribble on about how much I enjoy my new stuff but they don't give you a
blog page. I figure here I'm not interrupting or disturbing anybody.
I'll organise somewhere to post photos but I'm home sick ATM, I think I
need to get to bed so I'll do it tomorrow.
All the best
Maplin

Turns out I haven't uploaded my model photos to my google drive. I will
and I'll post a link when I do, but I just found out I've got covid and
I seriously feel like crap or worse. I'll wait until I've got some
energy and start a new thread for it.
But in the meantime, I did actually upload photos, manuals and other
stuff for the engines I use. All mine are Saito 4-strokes, as opposed to
the angry-mosquito-on-PCP-sounding 2-strokes of yesteryear. The
4-strokes are just such a better machine IMO... not to disparage the
quality of the manufacturers, I just don't like that design. Or maybe
it's just the sound, if anything sounded like that at one of my gigs I'd
hit all the mute switches before it blew something up!
Saito also make marvellous little miniature steam engines, and you can
get them with advanced boilers, gauges, relief valves, even proper
triple-expansion engines like the big ships used, and the even do make
large model ships to put them in. You'd be looking at some thousands of
dollars (5 to 10 at a guess) to get it all up and running with their
mid- to higher-end products.
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B70fYBYrlDa-Ml9kYnlERUVuVk0?resourcekey=0-5wJop8eEAyyrIIiojq_AtA&usp=sharing
There might be pic's of my other stuff in there, it's a while since I
looked. Back later
PS I don't believe I've got a serious case, I just feel really blehh.

Hey, Maplin. Interesting, the link you posted. I'm 75 so my model building days go back to the last couple of years of the '50s and the first couple of years of the '60s. I don't know how much R/C there was around then but it wasn't something we could afford anyway, so it was all hand-held control line flying. But it wasn't just planes. It was boats and cars too. I remember a glo plug outboard motor I could put on the transom of a model speed boat I had. And at one point I got a hand-me-down race car. Essentially a shell someone had machined out of magnesium with six inch rubber tires, a drive train and a monster glo plug engine amidships. I don't remember the specifics of the engine now. Probably a Cox, maybe. Anyway, it really made that racing shell fly along the ground.
I know what you mean about woodworking being relaxing, restful, and rewarding. I don't have any workshop space at this time either but still have some tools that are always useful.
Rigging? I take it you rig sound systems? I know a little bit about rigging. When "we" (my mob) were younger I had a couple of friends and one in particular who worked for an outfit called Ocean State Rigging. He'd go out on tour with the likes of Jackson Browne, Pearl Jam, and others of that era rigging their shows.
Anyway, I don't know what to say but keep on doing. That's what it's all about anyway, eh?

It doesn't matter what you say now fife, you're still a fucking asshole, and an insulting scumbag. An arrogant judgmental ad hominem abuser. A toxic narcissistic troll. A nobody with nothing to offer anyone. A liar. A self-righteous creep. An incompetent idiot.

Not only have you been incapable of understanding anything etznab and I have said or think/believe over the years .. always distorting and misrepresenting everything we've said/done and believe into YOUR DISTORTED self-righteous opinionated and delusional bullshit.

Now you're here again telling the world what a total idiot you are because you do not even know the purpose and the uses of an historical archive like the one I created. Instead in your idiocy you pick up a handful of shit to throw at a wall and hope it sticks. Which is all you have ever done here since you arrived. Throwing shit at others in your incredible idiotic ignorance.

Well you fucking IDIOT if only 1% of what it contains is necessary, do tell us which 27 FILES to keep and WHY, and if you;re convincing and rational and as clever as you imagine you are I will happily DELETE THE THOUSANDS OF OTHER FILES -- if it makes you happy, or shuts you up forever or you never show your disgusting face here ever again!!!

The archive is NOTHING LIKE what you imagine it to be you insane bitter and twisted insulting scumbag. You have never lifted a finger to help others, nor do you care about anyone but yourself you INCOMPETENT KNOW-NOTHING ATTENTION SEEKING FOOL!

Your 5 words and your 16 point list are useless garbage. You're incapable of comprehending what other people say/mean or where they are coming from and are an abject failure of communicating in basic english whatever the hell you have to say. You insult and put people down for nothing (because your understanding and opinions are utterly misguided and wrong) and when they say "hey, get stuffed/fuck off you insulting lowlife asshole" you cry like a two year old claiming to be an innocent little baby.

You are full of shit man! An immature jackass. I have no idea who you claim to be in the past and sure don't give a flying fuck who you are today. You have brought nothing but toxic poison and self-deluded claptrap to this group.

You never had a normal conversation with anyone here. You keep on giving stupid self-opinionated haughty advice to others who never asked for it!

YOU ARE NOT FUCKING QUALIFIED YOU DUMB IDIOT

So fuck you asshole!

And fuck off!

Etznab nailed you to a T .... he was nothing like you you arrogant creep! Her was much loved and respected in his life and here on a.r.e. as well.

EG for fife the asshole from across the veil
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.religion.eckankar/c/yA5ay5IzQ-0/m/eHn0AaWTAQAJ

Maplin

2022-09-05 15:01:06 UTC

Post by Maplin
Snipped for brevity, not relevant to this discussion

Hi Maplin. It wasn't fife vs. others. More like 2 guys in this group
vs. the world. But, bygones.
"Etznab" (Richard Davoli) died on May 2 and Sean hasn't posted
anything for a month. He may be all done with this group. I don't know.
Glad you found some "lovely" microphones. And, just out of curiosity,
idle chit-chat, have you built any models lately? Done any R/C flying?
Done any woodworking?
Best of luck with your plans to start a recording business.

OK as I said, I tried to just keep out of the arguments. They're not my
business and I don't need a flame war.
I heard about Etznab, what a shock. I don't recall him mentioning
anything that might have caused it but I really wasn't following much.
Best wishes and my thoughts and prayers to his friends and family.
No I haven't continued my RC hobby recently. I was working on a big
model, to suit a truly fantastic engine someone kindly gave me as a
gift. If you care to google it the engine is a Saito FA-130TD. It's a
4-stroke flat twin-cylinder glow engine, meaning it runs on
methanol/nitro. Among that type of engine it's a classic. Big and heavy
but just a work of art. Not a true "boxer" engine as it only has a
single-pin crankshaft, so it is in fact a 180-degree V-twin. But the
compromise is very minor, it just means slight vibration at low RPM's
while benefiting from lightness, simplicity, cheapness and reliability.
If you know any RC stuff then possibly the world's most popular, most
copied and most built design is the Ugly Stik. In fact it's called "Das
Ugly Stik" because it's a very small joke to do with the fact that it
looks a little like a WW1 German fighter, I forget which but from memory
maybe it's a Fokker Eindekker. I chose this design and simply scaled it
up to suit this engine. That's easy enough, literally all I did was load
up the plans in an image editor and zoom in/magnify, and print it out.
But in the end, all I kept was the outline and wing profile, everything
else is my own design. There's not even a version (official that is) the
same size as mine; bigger and smaller, yes, but mine's a mutant.
For me the process of building a model is just as much about the build
as the finished plane. If what I wanted was simply to get something in
the air with the least amount of time and effort I would have done it
differently; I could have pretty much just bought something to suit that
engine off the shelf. But I wanted to try new techniques. My problem now
is a lack of places to work and transport to the RC club. I always went
with my Dad, as he loved it, but he also is no longer with us, since
2019. I don't have a car or license currently, I'm working on that, but
it makes it impractical for me to get there. I also live in a tiny flat,
just under 40 sq. meters, so to build a big model I have to dedicate the
most important space in there to working on it for a while, then put it
all away. So it's not really practical. I've tried to organise a place
to work but it's always fallen through. There may be a chance coming up
to use a nearby building as my workshop, but who knows.
But trying to solve that, I also partly satisfied my interest in general
woodwork. I built a wooden jig for assembling the wing, the idea is you
have two long rods, carbon fibre is best, parallel and clamped between
two end pieces, and each wing rib has 2 holes drilled in it. You slide
the ribs along the rods and space them evenly or however it's designed,
and build the rest of the structure onto them. The half-a-wing panel is
contained between the 2 end clamps, and when it's done you slide the
carbon rods out.
I used an I-beam type main spar. It still amazes me the strength the
right design or structure can achieve though made of such light and
flimsy stuff. The ribs were notched top and bottom for a Sitka Spruce (I
do just love wood) spar. I started with the bottom one, then cut shear
webs of balsa, which are just rectangles to fill the space between 2
ribs and the top and bottom spar. Once they're all in I glue the top
spar in place. I designed my jig so it can be flipped over to access the
bottom of the wing, and it had other features I mostly can't remember to
help with detailed steps of the build.
I did something special on that one I'd never tried and only rarely
heard of. Normally there's a balsa Leading Edge or LE, carved to the
proper profile, at the front tip of the ribs. Then you add a top and
bottom sheet from that to the spar, bend it and glue it down. This makes
a "D-tube" structure, basically a torsion tube and very stiff and strong
for its weight. But I did it differently this time. I used a free
website to plot my wing profiles, and had a former cut for me out of
polystyrene foam of that shape to a bit farther behind the spar. I made
a balsa sheet wide enough to wrap around from the top to bottom spars,
soaked it in water and ammonia, which softens the wood, and bent it to
follow the shape of the former; actually I guess it's really a mandrel.
When it dries it keeps that shape, it's quite amazing to see it work.
Then, I set the wing jig with the LE pointing up, put slow-setting glue
on the edges of the ribs and dropped the moulded LE skin over that, and
used all kinds of MacGuyver / Heath Robinson technology to hold it in
place while it set. It worked *perfectly*!!.... eventually. The secret
is, you have to find sheets of balsa with perfectly straight grain from
one end to the other, and that's harder than you'd think. But it's
non-negotiable as it WILL crack if you don't! I cracked and broke a few
skins trying to make it work, but it finally did. But, after all that, I
discovered that the ammonia trick makes the wood set brittle, so a good
knock and it's going to shatter. If I did it again I'd make a steam box,
or try soaking just in hot water. One reason this build was so slow was
that I experimented and prototyped most of these tricks before using
them on the model itself.
The Ugly Stik was designed to be very simple and quick to build, with
simple flat sheet sides, top and bottom of the fuselage. The fin and
tail-plane are just flat slabs too. But I built mine as a truss-work
structure. And for THAT, I built another jig. Each truss member has to
have its end carefully trimmed to the correct angle at just the right
place, so I made a little piece with that angle cut in it, to hold the
truss member at that angle. Then I made a sanding block and just ran
that back and forth, like a delicatessen salami-slicer, to finish the
end on it. I walked around studying the towers and jibs of cranes at
building sites to plan how I wanted the truss-work.
The outline of the roughly-circular vertical fin was another trick; I
used thin, 1/16" strips of balsa, soaked them in water and wrapped them
around a ply former to get the shape. There were 4 layers, glued
together, and when it dried it again kept the shape. You might be
surprised how stiff and strong a structure like that can be, like a
Glue-Lam beam for a house. Then there was truss-work inside that round
outline, and the rudder had a similar construction.
... and so on! I basically decided for that model to use all the clever
tricks I'd seen and heard of being used by the real guru old guys (RC is
infested with what we'll call "elders" ;) ), just to try them out. It
was very enjoyable for me, but took forever. It didn't matter though, as
it was just a project to do a little on now and then, or in front of the
TV making or sanding some little part. Those jigs I made were designed
not just for this model but to be re-usable for many more, so I took
extra time to design them properly and get them right. They're real
assets too. One of these was an engine test stand; I needed to run that
big twin up on the bench to get used to it before I try flying it, so
that was a serious little project in its own right. I was proud of the
result and it took a lot of time and effort; I had plans to make and
sell them on eBay, maybe I will, maybe not. I'm more into audio again now.
I kept photos of all this, I'll post a link later where you can see
them. I think they should all still be in a folder in my Google drive so
you can just click through and see them.
The audio stuff is taking up all my attention now, I must have spent
more than half my gross income on microphones, mounts, cable supplies
and hardware this year. I *love* my new microphones! Have a google for
an ElectroVoice RE20, the world's most popular radio announcer's
microphone. You'll probably recognise it straight away. I've wanted one
all my career but either couldn't justify the money at the time, or
didn't have it. So while I've been buying so many others the chance to
get one cheap (for it anyway) came up and I took it. I've learned
recently, if you see a good deal, get it NOW! Because it might not be
there tomorrow, and you might have to spend your funds elsewhere anyway.
This was a store demo that they promised me was utterly as-new, and
their word was good. It saved me almost $US100 and made it too good to
miss. I do a little voice-over work myself and it's the perfect tool for
that job, but it has many uses in music too. They designed in features
for radio that give it very useful characteristics as a studio recording
mic, and even for live work (which is 98% of my work).
What's really remarkable is that it's been in production since 1969 and
the design, look, materials and performance is still totally un-changed.
Usually the tooling wears out and they take the opportunity to "update"
the design, or they can't get the materials, or they nearly go broke or
it stops selling so they redesign it for that reason. There are mics
that have nominally been on the market even longer, but there are very
few that are truly unchanged - I'm aware of only a few and this is one.
The voice-over market in the USA is huge from the POV of a microphone
manufacturer, and they don't want to disturb that market at all. They
did bring out an update in the 80's, but the radio guys kept buying the
RE20 (the new one is the RE27), and they don't sound the same.
OK I can obviously go on forever about this! And I will doubtless post
more; at the audio gear forums what I really need is somewhere to just
dribble on about how much I enjoy my new stuff but they don't give you a
blog page. I figure here I'm not interrupting or disturbing anybody.
I'll organise somewhere to post photos but I'm home sick ATM, I think I
need to get to bed so I'll do it tomorrow.
All the best
Maplin

Turns out I haven't uploaded my model photos to my google drive. I will
and I'll post a link when I do, but I just found out I've got covid and
I seriously feel like crap or worse. I'll wait until I've got some
energy and start a new thread for it.
But in the meantime, I did actually upload photos, manuals and other
stuff for the engines I use. All mine are Saito 4-strokes, as opposed to
the angry-mosquito-on-PCP-sounding 2-strokes of yesteryear. The
4-strokes are just such a better machine IMO... not to disparage the
quality of the manufacturers, I just don't like that design. Or maybe
it's just the sound, if anything sounded like that at one of my gigs I'd
hit all the mute switches before it blew something up!
Saito also make marvellous little miniature steam engines, and you can
get them with advanced boilers, gauges, relief valves, even proper
triple-expansion engines like the big ships used, and the even do make
large model ships to put them in. You'd be looking at some thousands of
dollars (5 to 10 at a guess) to get it all up and running with their
mid- to higher-end products.
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B70fYBYrlDa-Ml9kYnlERUVuVk0?resourcekey=0-5wJop8eEAyyrIIiojq_AtA&usp=sharing
There might be pic's of my other stuff in there, it's a while since I
looked. Back later
PS I don't believe I've got a serious case, I just feel really blehh.

Hey, Maplin. Interesting, the link you posted. I'm 75 so my model building days go back to the last couple of years of the '50s and the first couple of years of the '60s. I don't know how much R/C there was around then but it wasn't something we could afford anyway, so it was all hand-held control line flying. But it wasn't just planes. It was boats and cars too. I remember a glo plug outboard motor I could put on the transom of a model speed boat I had. And at one point I got a hand-me-down race car. Essentially a shell someone had machined out of magnesium with six inch rubber tires, a drive train and a monster glo plug engine amidships. I don't remember the specifics of the engine now. Probably a Cox, maybe. Anyway, it really made that racing shell fly along the ground.
I know what you mean about woodworking being relaxing, restful, and rewarding. I don't have any workshop space at this time either but still have some tools that are always useful.
Rigging? I take it you rig sound systems? I know a little bit about rigging. When "we" (my mob) were younger I had a couple of friends and one in particular who worked for an outfit called Ocean State Rigging. He'd go out on tour with the likes of Jackson Browne, Pearl Jam, and others of that era rigging their shows.
Anyway, I don't know what to say but keep on doing. That's what it's all about anyway, eh?

Hi, sorry I left this conversation for so long, I've been a busy boy,
distracted by many things but they're generally positive. I think I can
at least catch up here for a moment.

I was trying to find where I mentioned "rigging" but it's so long ago
I've forgotten. I do indeed rig and install large concert sound systems
with a crew, but to use the term rigging I probably meant formally,
where qualified Riggers do that part. The sound, lighting and video
systems are suspended from chains with motorised winches, and these hang
from points in the roof of the larger venues we work, or from the
framework of large temporary stages with truss-work structures overhead.
These chains must be hung by the proper engineering principles, of
course, and people with proper Riggers' tickets do this work. The same
folks who do all sorts of work high up hanging from ropes or on top of
structures in the construction industry; I don't think I can define it
properly but you probably know who I mean.

For me to talk about rigging our systems is not really the term, I guess
installing, configuring and commissioning is better. I am with a large
crewing agency that supplies basic labourers, roadies if you like, and
we'll be assigned to qualified crew who travel with these concert and
other tours. I'm generally on the audio crew as that's what I do myself,
but I've also been put on setting up the big lighting systems, or the
large LED video screens they use on concerts these days.

When I'm not working for that agency I'm a live sound engineer (engineer
in the same sense as the one who drives a train, an engine-eer, not
someone with an engineering degree). I still install and configure sound
systems but medium-scale, for large pub or nightclub-type venues. Mostly
what I do is called mixing; you'll have seen this, a band is playing and
there's someone on an audio mixing console out in front of them,
controlling their sound and the sound system. This is the bulk of my
work and what I've done for 30+ years. I've been with the crewing agency
for those big shows for about 5 years but with a particular specialty
audio company for most of those 30. They've scaled down a lot as the
owners approach retirement, but in their day they were by far the
biggest company of this type in WA. It's not just bands at gigs but also
commercial, non-musical productions, like say a product launch, an
annual general meeting, conference, union rally, ship launch, press
conference... all that sort of stuff. Years ago the client would hire
us, and a company who did stages, and a lighting company and so on,
these days it tends to be full-service production companies who do a bit
of everything. But my being specialised in sound gives me a niche; more
than video or lighting it just takes experience to operate well. You can
do sound by the book but to just sound good to the ear, and to please a
bunch of music fans and players, and the publican and the promoter and
the manager etc, it just takes experience.

Today I got back from something new. You'll be aware of FIFO
(fly-in-fly-out) mining workers, recently I've become a bit of a FIFO
sound guy. Of course NW West Australia has HUGE mining activity, it's
central to everything up there and by far the largest employer. All
those towns have economies based on mining. The two big employers are
that, and government. Lately there have been a lot of events up there, I
think because this is when the weather is nicest, and like every
industry they are badly short-staffed. So the crewing agency has
branched into hiring out not just roadies and labourers but the few
experienced operators they have. Once they worked out who's available
and willing to be flown up to work for the few production firms up
there, well, it's pretty much me, and a few un-qualified types who can
be shown how to make the lights flash a bit or maybe switch between
cameras 1, 2 and 3, and thus we call them "operators" and they charge
50% more :)

I led a team in Perth for the agency, of the more experienced crew, many
of whom had been with such production companies before, for these
"corporate" jobs, mostly meaning non-musical roles, at conference
centers, hotel ballrooms, outdoors on an oval and so on. We did very
well during COVID while there were few music events. Now things are kind
of getting back to normal we're doing the big concerts again, but we
have a new general manager and he see that the "corporate gigs" were
profitable, and there's still an opportunity for the company there. We
know the few production companies in WA outside of Perth, and lately the
big experiment has been to fly operators and even basic loaders
(labourers/roadies) up there to work with them. This only happens when
that company has a client with deep pockets, so that's government, or
basically BHP or Rio Tinto, one way or another. There's no way it'd be
viable to fly us there and back, put us in a hotel room (or dog box
really), pay cab fares and per diems etc, just to do a few days of this
work, but when it's a 3 to 4 day festival of some description and one of
these big clients footing the bill, the local production firm can bill
it on to them and use crew like us. So this weekend I was at Port
Hedland for a food festival, they had marquees on an oval with cooking
displays by celebrity chefs, who had headset mics to be heard over a PA
system and there were video screens so the public could see them
cooking. Meanwhile I was on another stage nearby, with musical
entertainment in the background, then later into the night. And there
were other events in other towns hours away, so for a small company like
them they had nowhere near enough crew and especially operators, so they
flew 3 of us up there to help them out. It was very hard and the days
were long, and you get pretty difficult conditions out there, but we get
paid well compared to what we can get in Perth.

I took some of my new gear, the gig itself was great but the logistics
were a mess and all kinds of things fell through, it was poorly
organised and everything at the last minute. I've been the only one from
the agency who's been on all 3 of these FIFO jobs so far, it's all a bit
experiment by us and the client, but they have high hopes. There is a
lot to learn before this is really viable. If it works out, I'll be the
crew chief for these remote jobs and it could be good for me, but
there's a way to go yet. I hope some of the clients will want to record
these events, and I'll be able to take my recording gear and charge much
more money to do this very special job, and the post-production involved
(editing and processing the recordings for later use, and likely using
them as a soundtrack to a video).

So that's what's been keeping me busy lately, things are not bad, if
challenging to make them work. Buying a better microphone kit and other
gear I see as investing in myself, in the past I would have just wasted
that income. I hope to build up something bigger and better once I work
out just how I organise my new ventures.

OK more to tell but that's probably more than enough for now. I'll try
to check in more soon

Henosis Sage

2022-07-16 06:17:57 UTC

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Hi Maplin. It wasn't fife vs. others. More like 2 guys in this group vs. the world. But, bygones.

etznab's summary commentary is spot on.

as usual nothing works.

fife the non-stop abuser lives in a world of his own victim blaming to the very end. shrug.

fife

2022-07-16 17:55:16 UTC

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Hi Maplin. It wasn't fife vs. others. More like 2 guys in this group vs. the world. But, bygones.

etznab's summary commentary is spot on.
as usual nothing works.
fife the non-stop abuser lives in a world of his own victim blaming to the very end. shrug.

🤫 Sean, right there you're just projecting the worst of what you know about yourself, putting someone else's name on it. I told you 3 and 1/2 years ago (and have continued to say so) that I didn't want to get into this kind of thing at all but could if I had to. I didn't know then what kind of a compulsive-obsessive crazy you'd turned yourself into.

Over the last year you posted in reply to Matlin that you didn't used to be like you are today - a grumpy old man. Well, that's one way to put it. Getting into your archive in the cloud (Google Drive) is like the scene in a movie where someone walks into the room where someone's pinned every surface of the walls, floor to ceiling, with photos of their fixation, piles of documents around the room... etc..

Is it right? The point is, 1% of all that would be enough, and normal.

There's no need to go on disrespecting others and trashing your own self-respect to come up with angles, barbs, and why-fors to throw out. But at your age - late 60s, have you turned 70 yet? - that has to be your choice and only yours.

Everyone lives in their own little world, Sean. And that includes you. If you only want to see the rotten side of humanity and believe it's all rotten, not look for a better side and invest in, that's up to you.

There's no need to continue your warfare and I'm not interested in helping you do that as I've said many, many, many times. And what about that "truce" you asked for after trying to flame roast me for nine solid months with every untrue, unnecessary, and unkind thing you could think of to throw my way? That didn't last long.

No one cares, Sean. Everyone knows better. No one wants to mix-in to this kind of stuff. All those people have long been gone from this group for years and years. How many people today have to say "no thanks, I'm not interested" and simply don't mix in because it's all just self-destructive? What the hell, man. Just let it go. It hasn't made the world a better place, including your own little world. Are you trying to find allies, fellow self-victims who've also self-poisoned themselves? I can understand people doing that but there are no more in this group.

I won't say "bon voyage" because I think it's a terrible thing you've done to yourself over the 10, 20, even 30 years. Over the way you used to be, what you used to say, and what you used to be trying to do. Really, just let it all go, man. There's a reason there's no one left to crank and rank with. It's hy everyone left this group long ago. It does no good for anyone's mental, emotional, or personal health and they decided that long ago.

Henosis Sage

2022-07-17 10:23:58 UTC

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Hi Maplin. It wasn't fife vs. others. More like 2 guys in this group vs. the world. But, bygones.

etznab's summary commentary is spot on.
as usual nothing works.
fife the non-stop abuser lives in a world of his own victim blaming to the very end. shrug.

🤫 Sean, right there you're just projecting the worst of what you know about yourself, putting someone else's name on it. I told you 3 and 1/2 years ago (and have continued to say so) that I didn't want to get into this kind of thing at all but could if I had to. I didn't know then what kind of a compulsive-obsessive crazy you'd turned yourself into.
Over the last year you posted in reply to Matlin that you didn't used to be like you are today - a grumpy old man. Well, that's one way to put it. Getting into your archive in the cloud (Google Drive) is like the scene in a movie where someone walks into the room where someone's pinned every surface of the walls, floor to ceiling, with photos of their fixation, piles of documents around the room... etc..
Is it right? The point is, 1% of all that would be enough, and normal.
There's no need to go on disrespecting others and trashing your own self-respect to come up with angles, barbs, and why-fors to throw out. But at your age - late 60s, have you turned 70 yet? - that has to be your choice and only yours.
Everyone lives in their own little world, Sean. And that includes you. If you only want to see the rotten side of humanity and believe it's all rotten, not look for a better side and invest in, that's up to you.
There's no need to continue your warfare and I'm not interested in helping you do that as I've said many, many, many times. And what about that "truce" you asked for after trying to flame roast me for nine solid months with every untrue, unnecessary, and unkind thing you could think of to throw my way? That didn't last long.
No one cares, Sean. Everyone knows better. No one wants to mix-in to this kind of stuff. All those people have long been gone from this group for years and years. How many people today have to say "no thanks, I'm not interested" and simply don't mix in because it's all just self-destructive? What the hell, man. Just let it go. It hasn't made the world a better place, including your own little world. Are you trying to find allies, fellow self-victims who've also self-poisoned themselves? I can understand people doing that but there are no more in this group.
I won't say "bon voyage" because I think it's a terrible thing you've done to yourself over the 10, 20, even 30 years. Over the way you used to be, what you used to say, and what you used to be trying to do. Really, just let it all go, man. There's a reason there's no one left to crank and rank with. It's hy everyone left this group long ago. It does no good for anyone's mental, emotional, or personal health and they decided that long ago.

You are an idiot fife. A totally delusional fool. Get stuffed you insulting abusive creep.

Henosis Sage

2022-07-19 02:54:11 UTC

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Hi Maplin. It wasn't fife vs. others. More like 2 guys in this group vs. the world. But, bygones.

etznab's summary commentary is spot on.
as usual nothing works.
fife the non-stop abuser lives in a world of his own victim blaming to the very end. shrug.

🤫 Sean, right there you're just projecting the worst of what you know about yourself, putting someone else's name on it. I told you 3 and 1/2 years ago (and have continued to say so) that I didn't want to get into this kind of thing at all but could if I had to. I didn't know then what kind of a compulsive-obsessive crazy you'd turned yourself into.
Over the last year you posted in reply to Matlin that you didn't used to be like you are today - a grumpy old man. Well, that's one way to put it. Getting into your archive in the cloud (Google Drive) is like the scene in a movie where someone walks into the room where someone's pinned every surface of the walls, floor to ceiling, with photos of their fixation, piles of documents around the room... etc..
Is it right? The point is, 1% of all that would be enough, and normal.
There's no need to go on disrespecting others and trashing your own self-respect to come up with angles, barbs, and why-fors to throw out. But at your age - late 60s, have you turned 70 yet? - that has to be your choice and only yours.
Everyone lives in their own little world, Sean. And that includes you. If you only want to see the rotten side of humanity and believe it's all rotten, not look for a better side and invest in, that's up to you.
There's no need to continue your warfare and I'm not interested in helping you do that as I've said many, many, many times. And what about that "truce" you asked for after trying to flame roast me for nine solid months with every untrue, unnecessary, and unkind thing you could think of to throw my way? That didn't last long.
No one cares, Sean. Everyone knows better. No one wants to mix-in to this kind of stuff. All those people have long been gone from this group for years and years. How many people today have to say "no thanks, I'm not interested" and simply don't mix in because it's all just self-destructive? What the hell, man. Just let it go. It hasn't made the world a better place, including your own little world. Are you trying to find allies, fellow self-victims who've also self-poisoned themselves? I can understand people doing that but there are no more in this group.
I won't say "bon voyage" because I think it's a terrible thing you've done to yourself over the 10, 20, even 30 years. Over the way you used to be, what you used to say, and what you used to be trying to do. Really, just let it all go, man. There's a reason there's no one left to crank and rank with. It's hy everyone left this group long ago. It does no good for anyone's mental, emotional, or personal health and they decided that long ago.

The haughty arrogance of this idiot imagining he knows why no one comes here any more. Then blaming me for it.

What a tosser. What a stupid ignorant opinionated wanker.

He does not have the intellectual capacity or patience to comprehend what and for whom the PTHA archive is for and how other people might use it.

a SMALL MINDED fool is fife.

So all he can do is rubbish the material that is there and the person/s who put it together for the benefit og others ... and not my ego.

fife is a fucking wanker. the incompetent "know-it-all" idiot who doesn't know he's an idiot.

Kinpa/Matt Sharpe's Doppelganger. Fife is as offensive and disgusting and toxic and dumb as he was here.

I say what I say about him because he has earned it and deserves it in spades.

He's an abusive toxic insulting troll. Or as Richard said a "fucking arsehole"!

Here's a little something from the archive ..... another really useful snippet of information for the wise and decent in this world.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-M0yAR0UPhPOS1may1yb3pCazQ/view?resourcekey=0-HrsrsQstuzftR-eJnlVGpQ

IT ALSO SPEAKS TO FIFE and his disturbing nature, his disgusting attitude, dysfunctions, and his purpose / desire being here in the first place. EG ".........charming and convincing liars who consistently deny wrongdoing..."

Gaslighting or gas-lighting - personalities hell-bent on having their way !!!
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/vqgBlJUFXJI/ycJsxeZjCQAJ

Gaslighting or gas-lighting is a form of mental abuse in which information is twisted or spun,
selectively omitted to favor the abuser, or false information is presented with the intent of making
victims doubt their own memory, perception, and sanity. Instances may range simply from the
denial by an abuser that previous abusive incidents ever occurred, up to the staging of bizarre events
by the abuser with the intention of disorienting the victim.
Sociopaths frequently use gaslighting tactics. Sociopaths consistently transgress social mores, break
laws, and exploit others, but typically, are also charming and convincing liars who consistently deny
wrongdoing. Thus, some who have been victimized by sociopaths may doubt their perceptions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaslighting

Gaslighting is just one of the many weapons in the arsenal of personalities hell-bent on having their
way, even if it means doing so by subtle and covert means of conning others. One of the most
important points I make in all my articles, books, and other writings about the narcissistic and most
especially, the aggressive personalities, is that they will do whatever it takes to secure and maintain
a position of advantage over others.
And some of the most effective means at their disposal are tactics that conceal their malevolent
intent while simultaneously prompting their “target” to accede to their desires. I outline the most
common ones covertly aggressive folks use to manipulate others in my book In Sheep’s Clothing
[Amazon-US | Amazon-UK].
But it would be virtually impossible to fully list all of the various tactics expert manipulators use.
( I think of people like Brad Steiger, Paul Twitchell, Castenanda, Hubbard, Marman and co )

Deception is often the key ingredient in manipulation. Deception can be accomplished by outright
denial, distortion of key aspects of events, and a variety of other methods, especially the more
sophisticated lying techniques.
( Well the whole history of Eckankar and Twitchell are distorted 'stories' and manipulation -
especially IMSIAF and how Paul's story hadn't really changed in 1971 as shown in DOBTLEM
book 1980. )
And, as I have mentioned in a prior post (see “Lying: The Ultimate Manipulation Tactic”), a really
accomplished liar can deceive another person by merely reciting a litany of absolutely true things
— while deliberately and cleverly leaving out one or two crucial elements that would change the
entire character of what they’re trying to make you believe.
( Sounds much like Harold's talks about Twitchell in 1984, 1985, 1990 and how the content was
changed over time in print. )

But a common element among all the tactics manipulators use is that they cause the person being
targeted to doubt their gut instincts about what’s going on.
Their gut tells them they’re under attack or that someone is trying to get the better of them, and they
intuitively go on the defensive. But because they often can’t find any clear, direct, objective
evidence that the other person is merely trying to disadvantage them, they start doubting and
questioning themselves.
( The Marman effect )

This is the real secret of effective manipulation. If the “target” were solidly convinced they were in
the process of being done in, they’d more likely put up more resistance instead of capitulating.
Manipulators know this. They win by getting the other person to back down or give in.
( The Marman result - even Lane gave up pointing out the lack of logic and common sense - the
blind beliefs and assumptions. )
Gaslighting has come to some prominence lately because several authors have highlighted it as one

of the more crafty tactics psychopaths use to disadvantage their victims. But many character-
disturbed individuals, most especially the aggressive personalities, are prone to using numerous

tactics, including covert techniques, to get the better of their targets.
Their goal is always to win or secure whatever it is they want. And they’ll do whatever they have to
do to get it. Sometimes the most effective way to do that is to avoid red-flagging their intentions but
rather get the other person to unwittingly but voluntarily surrender.
Instill shame, instill guilt, instill fear, or instill great doubt, and the other person will likely back off
the stance they really wanted to take.
( Sounds like how many of the eckists in Bright future yahoo group operated. )
I have written a series of articles on the manipulation tactics of covertly-aggressive and other
disturbed personalities (see my Series on Manipulation Tactics). In that series, many of the most
common manipulation tactics are revealed and discussed.
http://counsellingresource.com/features/2011/11/08/gaslighting/

The Effects of Gaslighting in Narcissistic Victim Syndrome
http://narcissisticbehavior.net/the-effects-of-gaslighting-in-narcissistic-victim-syndrome/

1. Do You Question the Validity of Your Memories and Experiences?
Gaslighting puts you in a position where you don’t trust what you remember or what you
experience.
Thus, one of the biggest red flags that you’re experiencing gaslighting is that you’re quick to
question or outright dismiss your memory of a situation.
If you are in an involuntary habit of second guessing things that you remember, especially

memories that involve abuse or hurt, you have most likely been put in a position where you have
been conditioned to second guess yourself.
2. Are There People in Your Life Who Actively Discredit Your Memories and Experiences?
Gaslighting is the process of others conditioning you into distrusting your own sense of reality.
There are many phrases that you may hear over and over that have led to you distrusting yourself,
such as:
“You’re too sensitive.”
“You never remember things correctly.”
“How would you know? Your memory is awful.”
“You’re always making something out of nothing.”
“You weren’t right about this last time.”
“You can’t even remember [where you put your keys/where you parked the car/what you had for
breakfast]. Why should I trust your memory of this?”
“You don’t even know what abuse is.” (Or “You have never seen real abuse.”)
If people in your life are using phrases like these ones to convince you that you’re wrong about
what you remember and how you feel, you may be experiencing gaslighting.
3. When You Call Someone Out on Hurtful or Abusive Behavior, Are They Quick to Dismiss Both
You and the Situation?
Another way of belittling someone’s experiences and memories is to outright dismiss claims of hurt
or abuse.
This includes diverting the conversation, ignoring what you’re saying, and refusing to engage in a
conversation about things that have hurt you.
Some red flag phrases for this dismissive behavior are:
“Why do you always have to bring this up?”
“I’m not dealing with this nonsense right now.”
“I [worked all day/am tired/have more important things to deal with] and don’t have time for this
shit.”
“You’re ruining my night.”
“Shut up. Nothing happened.”
In fact, words aren’t the only way to dismiss someone. Scoffing, eye rolling, smirking, laughing,
and removing themselves from the room and the conversation are other ways that people can show

disregard for your feelings and needs.
4. When You Try and Bring Up Hurtful or Abusive Behavior, Do They Immediately Turn It Around
and Play the Victim?
Another way to manipulate someone into thinking that they’re not experiencing harm or abuse is to
constantly turn the conversation towards the abuser, making it seem like you are doing harm by
even bringing up what’s hurting you.
If someone in your life cannot (or will not) let you speak to your experiences, and instead insists on
turning it into a conversation about themselves, the conversation is not a healthy one.
Some red flag phrases for this tactic are:
“You always make me out to be the bad guy.”
“Constantly bringing stuff like this up makes me feel bad/is hurtful to me.”
“I’m actually the one hurting.”
“You don’t know what abuse is. Saying that I’m abusive is hurtful to me.”
“Pretending I’m hurtful/abusive makes you the bully.”
If these phrases are a constant in your life, if you feel like you’ve been conditioned into mistrusting
your own memories and experiences, you have most likely been the victim of gaslighting.
http://everydayfeminism.com/2015/06/gaslighting-is-an-abuse-tactic/

"Withholding" is one gaslighting technique where the abuser feigns a lack of understanding, refuses
to listen and declines sharing his emotions.
Gaslighting examples of this would be:
"I'm not listening to that crap again tonight."
"You're just trying to confuse me."
Another gaslighting technique is "countering," where an abuser will vehemently call into question a
victim's memory in spite of the victim having remembered things correctly.
"Think about when you didn't remember things correctly last time."
"You thought that last time and you were wrong."
These techniques throw the victim off the intended subject matter and make them question their
own motivations and perceptions rather than the issue at hand.
It is then that the abuser will start to question the experiences, thoughts and opinions more globally
through statements said in anger like:
"You see everything in the most negative way."

"Well you obviously never believed in me then."
"You have an overactive imagination."
"Blocking" and "diverting" are gaslighting techniques whereby the abuser again changes the
conversation from the subject matter to questioning the victim's thoughts and controlling the
conversation. Gaslighting examples of this include:
"I'm not going through that again."
"Where did you get a crazy idea like that?"
"Quit bitching."
"You're hurting me on purpose."
"Trivializing" is another way of gaslighting. It involves making the victim believe his or her
thoughts or needs aren't important, such as:
"You're going to let something like that come between us?"
Abusive "forgetting" and "denial" can also be forms of gaslighting. In this technique, the abuser
pretends to forget things that have really occurred; the abuser may also deny things like promises
that have been made that are important to the victim. An abuser might say,
"What are you talking about?"
"I don't have to take this."
"You're making that up."
Some gaslighters will then mock the victim for their "wrongdoings" and "misperceptions."

http://www.healthyplace.com/abuse/emotional-psychological-abuse/gaslighting-definition-
techniques-and-being-gaslighted/

=== === ===

Gaslighting or gas-lighting - personalities hell-bent on having their way

Some examples Oct Nov on a.r.e. from teha:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-M0yAR0UPhPV2M2TG9aZXVnSzg/view?usp=sharing

So you choose to think you are capable of diagnosing psychological states? I notice that neither of
you are ever able to provide ANY evidence of anything. Typical for one who is rather lazy. You
always fall back to the defensive posture of name-calling...unable to avoid the idea that any who
disagree have mental problem, but that proves that it is you that suffers from both prejudice and
delusion...good luck with that...
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/bjwfENcQNN8/xMLHU08mpJIJ

...boring way to rehash an individual's personal feelings toward a group that he is willingly enslaved
by...

It appears that someone likes to refute science when it doesn't agree with him, what was it he said?
the same old stories they are so attached to, are able to remain accurately informed about the reality
of things...
Not as full as it once was...why is that?
There is FAR less difference between those two spots than you apparently imagine there to be...
Opinion....so why not just say so to begin with?
You cannot either form any educated opinion on the matter without proofs...
If not, then you are once again proposing that everyone accept a double-standard....so much for the
"truth" eh?
Wow! JR seriously pissed you off did he not? You seem to have gone on a very distinct rant,
...how does it feel to be chained so tightly by a spiritual teaching system that you hate so much?
...however, as you will...
why on earth did you choose to spam me and several others three days ago?
Have ANY evidence to support this claim?
however, do not ever suppose that anyone else will necessarily agree with you. How is your name a
sign of disrespect?
Again more OPINION, as Etznab tries to bully his way out of the accusation, which was completely
fair and has supporting evidence...I am still waiting for you to show proof that you do NOT have an
email account at the address listed
There literally is no game, it was a simple question, however, your response has been noted. It is
found to be very typical of our usual behavior. That is exactly why things happen to you as they did
last Halloween....you refuse to ever learn! However, that IS your choice to make, just as whatever
may came to you because of it, also of your own choosing, enjoy that!
Which do you prefer? Richard McClintock or Richard MacClintock??? I am aware of how paranoid
you are about your name and email and address, however, I am not in any way concerned about any
of these...
Why not? I mean you claim to be wanting "scientific evidence" of things so often, and yet you fail
to use an scientific procedures or standards to learn. Why the double standard yet again? It seems to
keep popping up everywhere from you....
Why no doctor??? When Queensland fire ants attack the crotchal areas, one certainly needs medical
attention before the burst cysts become infected and the entire unit dies and falls off....tsk tsk tsk...
Tell me, what makes you so certain that your prejudices are any more valid than anyone that
happens to oppose them? Are both not the exact same thing? Why the double standard? You have
yet to answer that one question in any way. Plagiarism in no way proves that an ECK Master is

fictional, at best, the only thing proven in that context is that YOU BELIEVE it proves what you
claim it does.It's a fairly simple concept...of course, no one has insisted that you haven't the right to
believe what you believe. I am simply stating the simple fact that your lines of logic do not at all
line up as smoothly as you appear to believe they do, thus, your "evidence" is not evidence of
anything other than plagiarism. The idea that it also proves that any said Masters are fictional, is
simply not an option available to you on that line of reasoning. I have no idea why this bothers you
so much, but hey, that IS a personal problem at best,and does not really concern me...
How was that Halloween party you went to last night Etznab? Did you learn anything new???
BRING IT THEN~!!!! as I said, I've been waiting several weeks now, and have yet to be contacted
by anyone from
Google! I also work with several police officers in my area of the world working on internet crimes,
and what YOU
have, is a whole lot of nothing! I will continue waiting to see your proofs of how this has caused
you bodily harm, or
has costed you monies, or anything else other than hurtimg your poor poor feelings, which is NOT
illegal ANYWHERE
in the world! check, look it up! :o)
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/j5vOxtpt4Q4/kp0dBmJbcRMJ

fife

2022-07-19 16:29:36 UTC

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Hi Maplin. It wasn't fife vs. others. More like 2 guys in this group vs. the world. But, bygones.

etznab's summary commentary is spot on.
as usual nothing works.
fife the non-stop abuser lives in a world of his own victim blaming to the very end. shrug.

🤫 Sean, right there you're just projecting the worst of what you know about yourself, putting someone else's name on it. I told you 3 and 1/2 years ago (and have continued to say so) that I didn't want to get into this kind of thing at all but could if I had to. I didn't know then what kind of a compulsive-obsessive crazy you'd turned yourself into.
Over the last year you posted in reply to Matlin that you didn't used to be like you are today - a grumpy old man. Well, that's one way to put it. Getting into your archive in the cloud (Google Drive) is like the scene in a movie where someone walks into the room where someone's pinned every surface of the walls, floor to ceiling, with photos of their fixation, piles of documents around the room... etc..
Is it right? The point is, 1% of all that would be enough, and normal.
There's no need to go on disrespecting others and trashing your own self-respect to come up with angles, barbs, and why-fors to throw out. But at your age - late 60s, have you turned 70 yet? - that has to be your choice and only yours.
Everyone lives in their own little world, Sean. And that includes you. If you only want to see the rotten side of humanity and believe it's all rotten, not look for a better side and invest in, that's up to you.
There's no need to continue your warfare and I'm not interested in helping you do that as I've said many, many, many times. And what about that "truce" you asked for after trying to flame roast me for nine solid months with every untrue, unnecessary, and unkind thing you could think of to throw my way? That didn't last long.
No one cares, Sean. Everyone knows better. No one wants to mix-in to this kind of stuff. All those people have long been gone from this group for years and years. How many people today have to say "no thanks, I'm not interested" and simply don't mix in because it's all just self-destructive? What the hell, man. Just let it go. It hasn't made the world a better place, including your own little world. Are you trying to find allies, fellow self-victims who've also self-poisoned themselves? I can understand people doing that but there are no more in this group.
I won't say "bon voyage" because I think it's a terrible thing you've done to yourself over the 10, 20, even 30 years. Over the way you used to be, what you used to say, and what you used to be trying to do. Really, just let it all go, man. There's a reason there's no one left to crank and rank with. It's hy everyone left this group long ago. It does no good for anyone's mental, emotional, or personal health and they decided that long ago.

The haughty arrogance of this idiot imagining he knows why no one comes here any more. Then blaming me for it.
What a tosser. What a stupid ignorant opinionated wanker.
He does not have the intellectual capacity or patience to comprehend what and for whom the PTHA archive is for and how other people might use it.
a SMALL MINDED fool is fife.
So all he can do is rubbish the material that is there and the person/s who put it together for the benefit og others ... and not my ego.
fife is a fucking wanker. the incompetent "know-it-all" idiot who doesn't know he's an idiot.
Kinpa/Matt Sharpe's Doppelganger. Fife is as offensive and disgusting and toxic and dumb as he was here.
I say what I say about him because he has earned it and deserves it in spades.
He's an abusive toxic insulting troll. Or as Richard said a "fucking arsehole"!
Here's a little something from the archive ..... another really useful snippet of information for the wise and decent in this world.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-M0yAR0UPhPOS1may1yb3pCazQ/view?resourcekey=0-HrsrsQstuzftR-eJnlVGpQ
IT ALSO SPEAKS TO FIFE and his disturbing nature, his disgusting attitude, dysfunctions, and his purpose / desire being here in the first place. EG ".........charming and convincing liars who consistently deny wrongdoing..."
Gaslighting or gas-lighting - personalities hell-bent on having their way !!!
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/vqgBlJUFXJI/ycJsxeZjCQAJ
Gaslighting or gas-lighting is a form of mental abuse in which information is twisted or spun,
selectively omitted to favor the abuser, or false information is presented with the intent of making
victims doubt their own memory, perception, and sanity. Instances may range simply from the
denial by an abuser that previous abusive incidents ever occurred, up to the staging of bizarre events
by the abuser with the intention of disorienting the victim.
Sociopaths frequently use gaslighting tactics. Sociopaths consistently transgress social mores, break
laws, and exploit others, but typically, are also charming and convincing liars who consistently deny
wrongdoing. Thus, some who have been victimized by sociopaths may doubt their perceptions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaslighting
Gaslighting is just one of the many weapons in the arsenal of personalities hell-bent on having their
way, even if it means doing so by subtle and covert means of conning others. One of the most
important points I make in all my articles, books, and other writings about the narcissistic and most
especially, the aggressive personalities, is that they will do whatever it takes to secure and maintain
a position of advantage over others.
And some of the most effective means at their disposal are tactics that conceal their malevolent
intent while simultaneously prompting their “target” to accede to their desires. I outline the most
common ones covertly aggressive folks use to manipulate others in my book In Sheep’s Clothing
[Amazon-US | Amazon-UK].
But it would be virtually impossible to fully list all of the various tactics expert manipulators use.
( I think of people like Brad Steiger, Paul Twitchell, Castenanda, Hubbard, Marman and co )
Deception is often the key ingredient in manipulation. Deception can be accomplished by outright
denial, distortion of key aspects of events, and a variety of other methods, especially the more
sophisticated lying techniques.
( Well the whole history of Eckankar and Twitchell are distorted 'stories' and manipulation -
especially IMSIAF and how Paul's story hadn't really changed in 1971 as shown in DOBTLEM
book 1980. )
And, as I have mentioned in a prior post (see “Lying: The Ultimate Manipulation Tactic”), a really
accomplished liar can deceive another person by merely reciting a litany of absolutely true things
— while deliberately and cleverly leaving out one or two crucial elements that would change the
entire character of what they’re trying to make you believe.
( Sounds much like Harold's talks about Twitchell in 1984, 1985, 1990 and how the content was
changed over time in print. )
But a common element among all the tactics manipulators use is that they cause the person being
targeted to doubt their gut instincts about what’s going on.
Their gut tells them they’re under attack or that someone is trying to get the better of them, and they
intuitively go on the defensive. But because they often can’t find any clear, direct, objective
evidence that the other person is merely trying to disadvantage them, they start doubting and
questioning themselves.
( The Marman effect )
This is the real secret of effective manipulation. If the “target” were solidly convinced they were in
the process of being done in, they’d more likely put up more resistance instead of capitulating.
Manipulators know this. They win by getting the other person to back down or give in.
( The Marman result - even Lane gave up pointing out the lack of logic and common sense - the
blind beliefs and assumptions. )
Gaslighting has come to some prominence lately because several authors have highlighted it as one
of the more crafty tactics psychopaths use to disadvantage their victims. But many character-
disturbed individuals, most especially the aggressive personalities, are prone to using numerous
tactics, including covert techniques, to get the better of their targets.
Their goal is always to win or secure whatever it is they want. And they’ll do whatever they have to
do to get it. Sometimes the most effective way to do that is to avoid red-flagging their intentions but
rather get the other person to unwittingly but voluntarily surrender.
Instill shame, instill guilt, instill fear, or instill great doubt, and the other person will likely back off
the stance they really wanted to take.
( Sounds like how many of the eckists in Bright future yahoo group operated. )
I have written a series of articles on the manipulation tactics of covertly-aggressive and other
disturbed personalities (see my Series on Manipulation Tactics). In that series, many of the most
common manipulation tactics are revealed and discussed.
http://counsellingresource.com/features/2011/11/08/gaslighting/
The Effects of Gaslighting in Narcissistic Victim Syndrome
http://narcissisticbehavior.net/the-effects-of-gaslighting-in-narcissistic-victim-syndrome/
1. Do You Question the Validity of Your Memories and Experiences?
Gaslighting puts you in a position where you don’t trust what you remember or what you
experience.
Thus, one of the biggest red flags that you’re experiencing gaslighting is that you’re quick to
question or outright dismiss your memory of a situation.
If you are in an involuntary habit of second guessing things that you remember, especially
memories that involve abuse or hurt, you have most likely been put in a position where you have
been conditioned to second guess yourself.
2. Are There People in Your Life Who Actively Discredit Your Memories and Experiences?
Gaslighting is the process of others conditioning you into distrusting your own sense of reality.
There are many phrases that you may hear over and over that have led to you distrusting yourself,
“You’re too sensitive.”
“You never remember things correctly.”
“How would you know? Your memory is awful.”
“You’re always making something out of nothing.”
“You weren’t right about this last time.”
“You can’t even remember [where you put your keys/where you parked the car/what you had for
breakfast]. Why should I trust your memory of this?”
“You don’t even know what abuse is.” (Or “You have never seen real abuse.”)
If people in your life are using phrases like these ones to convince you that you’re wrong about
what you remember and how you feel, you may be experiencing gaslighting.
3. When You Call Someone Out on Hurtful or Abusive Behavior, Are They Quick to Dismiss Both
You and the Situation?
Another way of belittling someone’s experiences and memories is to outright dismiss claims of hurt
or abuse.
This includes diverting the conversation, ignoring what you’re saying, and refusing to engage in a
conversation about things that have hurt you.
“Why do you always have to bring this up?”
“I’m not dealing with this nonsense right now.”
“I [worked all day/am tired/have more important things to deal with] and don’t have time for this
shit.”
“You’re ruining my night.”
“Shut up. Nothing happened.”
In fact, words aren’t the only way to dismiss someone. Scoffing, eye rolling, smirking, laughing,
and removing themselves from the room and the conversation are other ways that people can show
disregard for your feelings and needs.
4. When You Try and Bring Up Hurtful or Abusive Behavior, Do They Immediately Turn It Around
and Play the Victim?
Another way to manipulate someone into thinking that they’re not experiencing harm or abuse is to
constantly turn the conversation towards the abuser, making it seem like you are doing harm by
even bringing up what’s hurting you.
If someone in your life cannot (or will not) let you speak to your experiences, and instead insists on
turning it into a conversation about themselves, the conversation is not a healthy one.
“You always make me out to be the bad guy.”
“Constantly bringing stuff like this up makes me feel bad/is hurtful to me.”
“I’m actually the one hurting.”
“You don’t know what abuse is. Saying that I’m abusive is hurtful to me.”
“Pretending I’m hurtful/abusive makes you the bully.”
If these phrases are a constant in your life, if you feel like you’ve been conditioned into mistrusting
your own memories and experiences, you have most likely been the victim of gaslighting.
http://everydayfeminism.com/2015/06/gaslighting-is-an-abuse-tactic/
"Withholding" is one gaslighting technique where the abuser feigns a lack of understanding, refuses
to listen and declines sharing his emotions.
"I'm not listening to that crap again tonight."
"You're just trying to confuse me."
Another gaslighting technique is "countering," where an abuser will vehemently call into question a
victim's memory in spite of the victim having remembered things correctly.
"Think about when you didn't remember things correctly last time."
"You thought that last time and you were wrong."
These techniques throw the victim off the intended subject matter and make them question their
own motivations and perceptions rather than the issue at hand.
It is then that the abuser will start to question the experiences, thoughts and opinions more globally
"You see everything in the most negative way."
"Well you obviously never believed in me then."
"You have an overactive imagination."
"Blocking" and "diverting" are gaslighting techniques whereby the abuser again changes the
conversation from the subject matter to questioning the victim's thoughts and controlling the
"I'm not going through that again."
"Where did you get a crazy idea like that?"
"Quit bitching."
"You're hurting me on purpose."
"Trivializing" is another way of gaslighting. It involves making the victim believe his or her
"You're going to let something like that come between us?"
Abusive "forgetting" and "denial" can also be forms of gaslighting. In this technique, the abuser
pretends to forget things that have really occurred; the abuser may also deny things like promises
that have been made that are important to the victim. An abuser might say,
"What are you talking about?"
"I don't have to take this."
"You're making that up."
Some gaslighters will then mock the victim for their "wrongdoings" and "misperceptions."
http://www.healthyplace.com/abuse/emotional-psychological-abuse/gaslighting-definition-
techniques-and-being-gaslighted/
=== === ===
Gaslighting or gas-lighting - personalities hell-bent on having their way
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-M0yAR0UPhPV2M2TG9aZXVnSzg/view?usp=sharing
So you choose to think you are capable of diagnosing psychological states? I notice that neither of
you are ever able to provide ANY evidence of anything. Typical for one who is rather lazy. You
always fall back to the defensive posture of name-calling...unable to avoid the idea that any who
disagree have mental problem, but that proves that it is you that suffers from both prejudice and
delusion...good luck with that...
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/bjwfENcQNN8/xMLHU08mpJIJ
...boring way to rehash an individual's personal feelings toward a group that he is willingly enslaved
by...
It appears that someone likes to refute science when it doesn't agree with him, what was it he said?
the same old stories they are so attached to, are able to remain accurately informed about the reality
of things...
Not as full as it once was...why is that?
There is FAR less difference between those two spots than you apparently imagine there to be...
Opinion....so why not just say so to begin with?
You cannot either form any educated opinion on the matter without proofs...
If not, then you are once again proposing that everyone accept a double-standard....so much for the
"truth" eh?
Wow! JR seriously pissed you off did he not? You seem to have gone on a very distinct rant,
...how does it feel to be chained so tightly by a spiritual teaching system that you hate so much?
...however, as you will...
why on earth did you choose to spam me and several others three days ago?
Have ANY evidence to support this claim?
however, do not ever suppose that anyone else will necessarily agree with you. How is your name a
sign of disrespect?
Again more OPINION, as Etznab tries to bully his way out of the accusation, which was completely
fair and has supporting evidence...I am still waiting for you to show proof that you do NOT have an
email account at the address listed
There literally is no game, it was a simple question, however, your response has been noted. It is
found to be very typical of our usual behavior. That is exactly why things happen to you as they did
last Halloween....you refuse to ever learn! However, that IS your choice to make, just as whatever
may came to you because of it, also of your own choosing, enjoy that!
Which do you prefer? Richard McClintock or Richard MacClintock??? I am aware of how paranoid
you are about your name and email and address, however, I am not in any way concerned about any
of these...
Why not? I mean you claim to be wanting "scientific evidence" of things so often, and yet you fail
to use an scientific procedures or standards to learn. Why the double standard yet again? It seems to
keep popping up everywhere from you....
Why no doctor??? When Queensland fire ants attack the crotchal areas, one certainly needs medical
attention before the burst cysts become infected and the entire unit dies and falls off....tsk tsk tsk...
Tell me, what makes you so certain that your prejudices are any more valid than anyone that
happens to oppose them? Are both not the exact same thing? Why the double standard? You have
yet to answer that one question in any way. Plagiarism in no way proves that an ECK Master is
fictional, at best, the only thing proven in that context is that YOU BELIEVE it proves what you
claim it does.It's a fairly simple concept...of course, no one has insisted that you haven't the right to
believe what you believe. I am simply stating the simple fact that your lines of logic do not at all
line up as smoothly as you appear to believe they do, thus, your "evidence" is not evidence of
anything other than plagiarism. The idea that it also proves that any said Masters are fictional, is
simply not an option available to you on that line of reasoning. I have no idea why this bothers you
so much, but hey, that IS a personal problem at best,and does not really concern me...
How was that Halloween party you went to last night Etznab? Did you learn anything new???
BRING IT THEN~!!!! as I said, I've been waiting several weeks now, and have yet to be contacted
by anyone from
Google! I also work with several police officers in my area of the world working on internet crimes,
and what YOU
have, is a whole lot of nothing! I will continue waiting to see your proofs of how this has caused
you bodily harm, or
has costed you monies, or anything else other than hurtimg your poor poor feelings, which is NOT
illegal ANYWHERE
in the world! check, look it up! :o)
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/j5vOxtpt4Q4/kp0dBmJbcRMJ

🙁 Does this mean you don't love me any more? What I write about is the ongoing process of psyche, culture, and zeitgeist. Ongoing. Developing. You don't have to care about it, you don't have to be interested. Just ignore it. It's true enough that I'm not a mirror reflecting you and that (I've learned) infuriates you. And therein lies the whole useless exercise of condemnation, redemption, and vindication you want to engage me in. A complete and utter, useless, waste of time as I've discovered.

No thanks, I'll pass.

I know you'll continue to go ballistic because that's your thing 🤯.

Henosis Sage

2022-07-20 23:57:24 UTC

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Post by fife
Hi Maplin. It wasn't fife vs. others. More like 2 guys in this group vs. the world. But, bygones.

etznab's summary commentary is spot on.
as usual nothing works.
fife the non-stop abuser lives in a world of his own victim blaming to the very end. shrug.

🤫 Sean, right there you're just projecting the worst of what you know about yourself, putting someone else's name on it. I told you 3 and 1/2 years ago (and have continued to say so) that I didn't want to get into this kind of thing at all but could if I had to. I didn't know then what kind of a compulsive-obsessive crazy you'd turned yourself into.
Over the last year you posted in reply to Matlin that you didn't used to be like you are today - a grumpy old man. Well, that's one way to put it. Getting into your archive in the cloud (Google Drive) is like the scene in a movie where someone walks into the room where someone's pinned every surface of the walls, floor to ceiling, with photos of their fixation, piles of documents around the room... etc..
Is it right? The point is, 1% of all that would be enough, and normal.
There's no need to go on disrespecting others and trashing your own self-respect to come up with angles, barbs, and why-fors to throw out. But at your age - late 60s, have you turned 70 yet? - that has to be your choice and only yours.
Everyone lives in their own little world, Sean. And that includes you. If you only want to see the rotten side of humanity and believe it's all rotten, not look for a better side and invest in, that's up to you.
There's no need to continue your warfare and I'm not interested in helping you do that as I've said many, many, many times. And what about that "truce" you asked for after trying to flame roast me for nine solid months with every untrue, unnecessary, and unkind thing you could think of to throw my way? That didn't last long.
No one cares, Sean. Everyone knows better. No one wants to mix-in to this kind of stuff. All those people have long been gone from this group for years and years. How many people today have to say "no thanks, I'm not interested" and simply don't mix in because it's all just self-destructive? What the hell, man. Just let it go. It hasn't made the world a better place, including your own little world. Are you trying to find allies, fellow self-victims who've also self-poisoned themselves? I can understand people doing that but there are no more in this group.
I won't say "bon voyage" because I think it's a terrible thing you've done to yourself over the 10, 20, even 30 years. Over the way you used to be, what you used to say, and what you used to be trying to do. Really, just let it all go, man. There's a reason there's no one left to crank and rank with. It's hy everyone left this group long ago. It does no good for anyone's mental, emotional, or personal health and they decided that long ago.

The haughty arrogance of this idiot imagining he knows why no one comes here any more. Then blaming me for it.
What a tosser. What a stupid ignorant opinionated wanker.
He does not have the intellectual capacity or patience to comprehend what and for whom the PTHA archive is for and how other people might use it.
a SMALL MINDED fool is fife.
So all he can do is rubbish the material that is there and the person/s who put it together for the benefit og others ... and not my ego.
fife is a fucking wanker. the incompetent "know-it-all" idiot who doesn't know he's an idiot.
Kinpa/Matt Sharpe's Doppelganger. Fife is as offensive and disgusting and toxic and dumb as he was here.
I say what I say about him because he has earned it and deserves it in spades.
He's an abusive toxic insulting troll. Or as Richard said a "fucking arsehole"!
Here's a little something from the archive ..... another really useful snippet of information for the wise and decent in this world.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-M0yAR0UPhPOS1may1yb3pCazQ/view?resourcekey=0-HrsrsQstuzftR-eJnlVGpQ
IT ALSO SPEAKS TO FIFE and his disturbing nature, his disgusting attitude, dysfunctions, and his purpose / desire being here in the first place. EG ".........charming and convincing liars who consistently deny wrongdoing..."
Gaslighting or gas-lighting - personalities hell-bent on having their way !!!
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/vqgBlJUFXJI/ycJsxeZjCQAJ
Gaslighting or gas-lighting is a form of mental abuse in which information is twisted or spun,
selectively omitted to favor the abuser, or false information is presented with the intent of making
victims doubt their own memory, perception, and sanity. Instances may range simply from the
denial by an abuser that previous abusive incidents ever occurred, up to the staging of bizarre events
by the abuser with the intention of disorienting the victim.
Sociopaths frequently use gaslighting tactics. Sociopaths consistently transgress social mores, break
laws, and exploit others, but typically, are also charming and convincing liars who consistently deny
wrongdoing. Thus, some who have been victimized by sociopaths may doubt their perceptions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaslighting
Gaslighting is just one of the many weapons in the arsenal of personalities hell-bent on having their
way, even if it means doing so by subtle and covert means of conning others. One of the most
important points I make in all my articles, books, and other writings about the narcissistic and most
especially, the aggressive personalities, is that they will do whatever it takes to secure and maintain
a position of advantage over others.
And some of the most effective means at their disposal are tactics that conceal their malevolent
intent while simultaneously prompting their “target” to accede to their desires. I outline the most
common ones covertly aggressive folks use to manipulate others in my book In Sheep’s Clothing
[Amazon-US | Amazon-UK].
But it would be virtually impossible to fully list all of the various tactics expert manipulators use.
( I think of people like Brad Steiger, Paul Twitchell, Castenanda, Hubbard, Marman and co )
Deception is often the key ingredient in manipulation. Deception can be accomplished by outright
denial, distortion of key aspects of events, and a variety of other methods, especially the more
sophisticated lying techniques.
( Well the whole history of Eckankar and Twitchell are distorted 'stories' and manipulation -
especially IMSIAF and how Paul's story hadn't really changed in 1971 as shown in DOBTLEM
book 1980. )
And, as I have mentioned in a prior post (see “Lying: The Ultimate Manipulation Tactic”), a really
accomplished liar can deceive another person by merely reciting a litany of absolutely true things
— while deliberately and cleverly leaving out one or two crucial elements that would change the
entire character of what they’re trying to make you believe.
( Sounds much like Harold's talks about Twitchell in 1984, 1985, 1990 and how the content was
changed over time in print. )
But a common element among all the tactics manipulators use is that they cause the person being
targeted to doubt their gut instincts about what’s going on.
Their gut tells them they’re under attack or that someone is trying to get the better of them, and they
intuitively go on the defensive. But because they often can’t find any clear, direct, objective
evidence that the other person is merely trying to disadvantage them, they start doubting and
questioning themselves.
( The Marman effect )
This is the real secret of effective manipulation. If the “target” were solidly convinced they were in
the process of being done in, they’d more likely put up more resistance instead of capitulating.
Manipulators know this. They win by getting the other person to back down or give in.
( The Marman result - even Lane gave up pointing out the lack of logic and common sense - the
blind beliefs and assumptions. )
Gaslighting has come to some prominence lately because several authors have highlighted it as one
of the more crafty tactics psychopaths use to disadvantage their victims. But many character-
disturbed individuals, most especially the aggressive personalities, are prone to using numerous
tactics, including covert techniques, to get the better of their targets.
Their goal is always to win or secure whatever it is they want. And they’ll do whatever they have to
do to get it. Sometimes the most effective way to do that is to avoid red-flagging their intentions but
rather get the other person to unwittingly but voluntarily surrender.
Instill shame, instill guilt, instill fear, or instill great doubt, and the other person will likely back off
the stance they really wanted to take.
( Sounds like how many of the eckists in Bright future yahoo group operated. )
I have written a series of articles on the manipulation tactics of covertly-aggressive and other
disturbed personalities (see my Series on Manipulation Tactics). In that series, many of the most
common manipulation tactics are revealed and discussed.
http://counsellingresource.com/features/2011/11/08/gaslighting/
The Effects of Gaslighting in Narcissistic Victim Syndrome
http://narcissisticbehavior.net/the-effects-of-gaslighting-in-narcissistic-victim-syndrome/
1. Do You Question the Validity of Your Memories and Experiences?
Gaslighting puts you in a position where you don’t trust what you remember or what you
experience.
Thus, one of the biggest red flags that you’re experiencing gaslighting is that you’re quick to
question or outright dismiss your memory of a situation.
If you are in an involuntary habit of second guessing things that you remember, especially
memories that involve abuse or hurt, you have most likely been put in a position where you have
been conditioned to second guess yourself.
2. Are There People in Your Life Who Actively Discredit Your Memories and Experiences?
Gaslighting is the process of others conditioning you into distrusting your own sense of reality.
There are many phrases that you may hear over and over that have led to you distrusting yourself,
“You’re too sensitive.”
“You never remember things correctly.”
“How would you know? Your memory is awful.”
“You’re always making something out of nothing.”
“You weren’t right about this last time.”
“You can’t even remember [where you put your keys/where you parked the car/what you had for
breakfast]. Why should I trust your memory of this?”
“You don’t even know what abuse is.” (Or “You have never seen real abuse.”)
If people in your life are using phrases like these ones to convince you that you’re wrong about
what you remember and how you feel, you may be experiencing gaslighting.
3. When You Call Someone Out on Hurtful or Abusive Behavior, Are They Quick to Dismiss Both
You and the Situation?
Another way of belittling someone’s experiences and memories is to outright dismiss claims of hurt
or abuse.
This includes diverting the conversation, ignoring what you’re saying, and refusing to engage in a
conversation about things that have hurt you.
“Why do you always have to bring this up?”
“I’m not dealing with this nonsense right now.”
“I [worked all day/am tired/have more important things to deal with] and don’t have time for this
shit.”
“You’re ruining my night.”
“Shut up. Nothing happened.”
In fact, words aren’t the only way to dismiss someone. Scoffing, eye rolling, smirking, laughing,
and removing themselves from the room and the conversation are other ways that people can show
disregard for your feelings and needs.
4. When You Try and Bring Up Hurtful or Abusive Behavior, Do They Immediately Turn It Around
and Play the Victim?
Another way to manipulate someone into thinking that they’re not experiencing harm or abuse is to
constantly turn the conversation towards the abuser, making it seem like you are doing harm by
even bringing up what’s hurting you.
If someone in your life cannot (or will not) let you speak to your experiences, and instead insists on
turning it into a conversation about themselves, the conversation is not a healthy one.
“You always make me out to be the bad guy.”
“Constantly bringing stuff like this up makes me feel bad/is hurtful to me.”
“I’m actually the one hurting.”
“You don’t know what abuse is. Saying that I’m abusive is hurtful to me.”
“Pretending I’m hurtful/abusive makes you the bully.”
If these phrases are a constant in your life, if you feel like you’ve been conditioned into mistrusting
your own memories and experiences, you have most likely been the victim of gaslighting.
http://everydayfeminism.com/2015/06/gaslighting-is-an-abuse-tactic/
"Withholding" is one gaslighting technique where the abuser feigns a lack of understanding, refuses
to listen and declines sharing his emotions.
"I'm not listening to that crap again tonight."
"You're just trying to confuse me."
Another gaslighting technique is "countering," where an abuser will vehemently call into question a
victim's memory in spite of the victim having remembered things correctly.
"Think about when you didn't remember things correctly last time."
"You thought that last time and you were wrong."
These techniques throw the victim off the intended subject matter and make them question their
own motivations and perceptions rather than the issue at hand.
It is then that the abuser will start to question the experiences, thoughts and opinions more globally
"You see everything in the most negative way."
"Well you obviously never believed in me then."
"You have an overactive imagination."
"Blocking" and "diverting" are gaslighting techniques whereby the abuser again changes the
conversation from the subject matter to questioning the victim's thoughts and controlling the
"I'm not going through that again."
"Where did you get a crazy idea like that?"
"Quit bitching."
"You're hurting me on purpose."
"Trivializing" is another way of gaslighting. It involves making the victim believe his or her
"You're going to let something like that come between us?"
Abusive "forgetting" and "denial" can also be forms of gaslighting. In this technique, the abuser
pretends to forget things that have really occurred; the abuser may also deny things like promises
that have been made that are important to the victim. An abuser might say,
"What are you talking about?"
"I don't have to take this."
"You're making that up."
Some gaslighters will then mock the victim for their "wrongdoings" and "misperceptions."
http://www.healthyplace.com/abuse/emotional-psychological-abuse/gaslighting-definition-
techniques-and-being-gaslighted/
=== === ===
Gaslighting or gas-lighting - personalities hell-bent on having their way
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-M0yAR0UPhPV2M2TG9aZXVnSzg/view?usp=sharing
So you choose to think you are capable of diagnosing psychological states? I notice that neither of
you are ever able to provide ANY evidence of anything. Typical for one who is rather lazy. You
always fall back to the defensive posture of name-calling...unable to avoid the idea that any who
disagree have mental problem, but that proves that it is you that suffers from both prejudice and
delusion...good luck with that...
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/bjwfENcQNN8/xMLHU08mpJIJ
...boring way to rehash an individual's personal feelings toward a group that he is willingly enslaved
by...
It appears that someone likes to refute science when it doesn't agree with him, what was it he said?
the same old stories they are so attached to, are able to remain accurately informed about the reality
of things...
Not as full as it once was...why is that?
There is FAR less difference between those two spots than you apparently imagine there to be...
Opinion....so why not just say so to begin with?
You cannot either form any educated opinion on the matter without proofs...
If not, then you are once again proposing that everyone accept a double-standard....so much for the
"truth" eh?
Wow! JR seriously pissed you off did he not? You seem to have gone on a very distinct rant,
...how does it feel to be chained so tightly by a spiritual teaching system that you hate so much?
...however, as you will...
why on earth did you choose to spam me and several others three days ago?
Have ANY evidence to support this claim?
however, do not ever suppose that anyone else will necessarily agree with you. How is your name a
sign of disrespect?
Again more OPINION, as Etznab tries to bully his way out of the accusation, which was completely
fair and has supporting evidence...I am still waiting for you to show proof that you do NOT have an
email account at the address listed
There literally is no game, it was a simple question, however, your response has been noted. It is
found to be very typical of our usual behavior. That is exactly why things happen to you as they did
last Halloween....you refuse to ever learn! However, that IS your choice to make, just as whatever
may came to you because of it, also of your own choosing, enjoy that!
Which do you prefer? Richard McClintock or Richard MacClintock??? I am aware of how paranoid
you are about your name and email and address, however, I am not in any way concerned about any
of these...
Why not? I mean you claim to be wanting "scientific evidence" of things so often, and yet you fail
to use an scientific procedures or standards to learn. Why the double standard yet again? It seems to
keep popping up everywhere from you....
Why no doctor??? When Queensland fire ants attack the crotchal areas, one certainly needs medical
attention before the burst cysts become infected and the entire unit dies and falls off....tsk tsk tsk...
Tell me, what makes you so certain that your prejudices are any more valid than anyone that
happens to oppose them? Are both not the exact same thing? Why the double standard? You have
yet to answer that one question in any way. Plagiarism in no way proves that an ECK Master is
fictional, at best, the only thing proven in that context is that YOU BELIEVE it proves what you
claim it does.It's a fairly simple concept...of course, no one has insisted that you haven't the right to
believe what you believe. I am simply stating the simple fact that your lines of logic do not at all
line up as smoothly as you appear to believe they do, thus, your "evidence" is not evidence of
anything other than plagiarism. The idea that it also proves that any said Masters are fictional, is
simply not an option available to you on that line of reasoning. I have no idea why this bothers you
so much, but hey, that IS a personal problem at best,and does not really concern me...
How was that Halloween party you went to last night Etznab? Did you learn anything new???
BRING IT THEN~!!!! as I said, I've been waiting several weeks now, and have yet to be contacted
by anyone from
Google! I also work with several police officers in my area of the world working on internet crimes,
and what YOU
have, is a whole lot of nothing! I will continue waiting to see your proofs of how this has caused
you bodily harm, or
has costed you monies, or anything else other than hurtimg your poor poor feelings, which is NOT
illegal ANYWHERE
in the world! check, look it up! :o)
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/j5vOxtpt4Q4/kp0dBmJbcRMJ

FIFE: 🙁 Does this mean you don't love me any more?

SEAN:
Never loved you, do not like you, or respect you. Your disingenuous pathetic judgmental attitude and constant putdowns and ridicule you've dumped on me and etznab since you arrived is pathetic and immature and of no value to anyone on any level.

FIFE:
What I write about is the ongoing process of psyche, culture, and zeitgeist. Ongoing. Developing.

SEAN:
No you do not. You write abuse and bullshit. You write shit. You throw shit at others and hope it sticks. Such as that crap about the archive as if you fucked commentary is a reflection upon my state of mind. You are a fucking arsehole and a liar fife. That's it.
You have contributed absolutely nothing here of any value / usefulness since the day you arrived. Nothing except toxic poison and insulting abusive behaviour.

I label it and your attitude for what it is based on the facts of what you write.

You are abusive. You are a disgusting pig.

FIFE:
You don't have to care about it, you don't have to be interested. Just ignore it.

SEAN:
More denial. You insult me and what I've done then ignore it and pretend it never happened. You are one sick fuck fife.

You have never been able to answer any questions about what you have written (re your beliefs, words lists etc) ... from day one.

You refuse. You manipulate. You are now lying, pretending as if you write things of value. You don't. You never have.

FIFE:
It's true enough that I'm not a mirror reflecting you and that (I've learned) infuriates you.

SEAN:
Your an idiot. You lie. You manipulate. You insult. You ridicule. You putdown. You judge and criticize based on fabrications. You ignore what people actually have said and make false accusations about what they said think and believe. You ignore who people really are, you invade their space, you abuse them and then claim you are the victim.

You are a pig. A fuckwit. Period.

FIFE:
And therein lies the whole useless exercise of condemnation, redemption, and vindication you want to engage me in.

SEAN:
Since day one years ago you have engaged in the constant "condemnation" of Etznab and myself. That;s why you can here.

It's as clear as day.

Etznab is correct when he said a few months back (repeat) :
(Fife is) "... somebody who doesn't want to understand, thinks they're fuckin' self-righteous,
thinks that their shit doesn't stink and they're just god's gift to the world,
screw everyone else, they can talk down to people anyway they want
I thought that was horrible what he came back with. If I wasn't busy
I would have written something back about it. But it seems like nothing works."

" And people who want to be assholes - it's like way too easy to be an asshole
online, on a chat group, because nobody can touch you, all they can only
send words, and they don't even know who you are [...] whether you're a
pseudonym created by somebody else to look like some other person [...]
that kind of pissed me off that asshole fife, it's not like we haven't given
him feedback and other people besides us have given him feedback too. "

" Yeah about fife, I checked a.r.e. yesterday just briefly and I could see your
post about the blah blah blah and I thought fife was a fuckin' total asshole ..."

That is you to a T Fife.

This is your MO, your being, your behaviour, your personality, this is who you are, and this is what you have been doing here for YEARS.

Congratulations! You must be really proud of yourself.

FIFE:
A complete and utter, useless, waste of time as I've discovered.
No thanks, I'll pass.

SEAN:
NO, you are the complete and utter, useless, waste of time as Etznab and I discovered. A totally disingenuous lying manipulative jackass. You're pathetic. You've have been that way since the day you arrived with your bent out of shape attitude and intention to dump on, ridicule, stupidly attempt psycho-analyse us with your irrational psycho-babble bullshit. Making mountains out of mole hills and "words" .... and making up shit out of thin air to throw at others.

Fife you are the disturbed obsessive compulsive delusional loser living in denial here.

You came here to insult and ridicule etznab and I .... you've done it non-stop. You are a fucking arsehole - period!

FIFE:
I know you'll continue to go ballistic because that's your thing 🤯.

SEAN:
You imagine you are worth it? Like I give a fuck about a fuckwit like yourself?

You idiot.

You believe someone has to be ballistic or angry or lost control to label you and your behaviour here as a fucking arsehole and point out the inane bullshit you dump here?

Man you are so incredibly stupid.

Fife you're an abuser. A toxic creep. An idiot. And a fucking arsehole.

Henosis Sage

2022-07-21 00:45:29 UTC