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2014-11-09 07:33:30 UTC
Paul Twitchell - The New Age Messiah - MARMAN WRONG yet again #83
UPDATE on a 2012 post - ENJOY!
A little bit more of Eckankar History including post-Paul Twitchell.
Paul Twitchell as Self-described New Age Messiah - with References
"See Paulji's early book ALL ABOUT ECK. The reference is there."
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Doug never ever acknowledges this reply by Joe -- despite promising
---> I'll be glad to admit my error. <---
Maybe when Hell Freezes Over he might do it.
SEE Original Ref in 2002:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/W2p3rgx6Sv8/Sj2bcqnExCoJ
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REFERENCES INCLUDE:
1968 - All About ECK by Paul Twitchell - extracts
Is The New Age Messias (sic) In Our Midst?
The whole
point which is being presented here is whether
the Messias for this present age has made his
appearance, and how do we judge whether he is
with us now. Certain factors and events which
are coming about somewhat PROVE THAT
WE ARE BLESSED WITH HIS PRESENCE.
Since the advent of ECKANKAR into the modern
world,starting about 1935,the crises in human
affairs have become more intense and now seem
at the bursting point.
The ancient one, the agent of God, whom we
call the Messias, or the Godman, appears in the
world with every new age. NOW HE HAS APPEARED
WITH THE age-old teachings, ECK, which will give
the human race a spiritual boost, taking many
over the crises into the realm of God.
The Buddhist scriptures speak of the Matriya (sic)
who comes for this age to take the followers of
Buddhism back to God; that he is to be born on
a body of water where horses graze upon the
shores, and where the fields are green.
HE IS AN OCCIDENTAL who shall not sit in the
lotus position, but will occupy a straight chair
and put his feet on the floor. Many have claimed
they were the present world Messias, but the proof
is not in evidence.
The deliverance of the universal world
message must be an age-old teaching.
ECK is a complete body of Supreme Wisdom
which has silently been waiting for its rediscovery
and few have ever had the ability or the courage
to confront it.
The Godman always does his miracles in
silence, when few, if any, are watching,
It was my privilege to sit in the company of Sudar
Singh, the great ECK Master, years ago when a
man asked to be healed of arthritis in his feet.
The Master merely smiled and talked about something
else, while the man impatiently insisted on
being healed. Finally he gave up and left, but
the limping gait he had when entering the Ashram
was gone, He now walked like a man without
suffering pain in the feet his gait was that of
a healthy person.
Online Ref see last chapter:
http://selfdefinition.org/radha-soami/Paul%20Twitchell%20-%20All%20About%20ECK.pdf
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The Longevity of the Ancient Adepts
Should we be fortunate to learn rejuvenation such
as Ayur Vedha, (sic) a system of renewing the body health,
[see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayurveda ]
we can at least look and feel 30 years younger. The
Kaya Kalp treatment, within that system, used to
bring back youth and health again, is given at the
Katsupari monastery in Tibet by Fubbi Quantz.
There are also other systems for use to regain
youth and health which have proven to be very successful.
The only trouble is that they are so well
hidden that we hardly hear of them. They are easier
followed than the famed drill of the Eshwar-Khanewale,
known in English as the God-Eaters.
Actually these are the ancient adepts of the Eck
Masters who live in the spiritual city of Agam Des,
near the border of Northeast India. Some have used
their physical bodies for thousands of years and
would put the aged citizenry of Hunza down as babesin-
arms. They are able to consume the cosmic spirit
for food, which preserves their bodies to serve the
inhabitants of many planets. Among Christian saints
who could do this was St. Catherine of Sienna.
Heading this order of Eck masters is Yaubl
Sucabi (sic)whose age is beyond human conception. The
old men who lived in rural England during the eighteenth
century who defied nature in living from 105
to 135 years, seem like trying to compare grandson to
grandfather.
St. Germain spent a long time in one body. We
have proof enough to know he went beyond two
hundred years. He now spends his years in a castle
hidden in the wilds of Transylvania.
Madame Blavatsky who founded the Theosophical
Society acquainted the world with the masters of the
White Brotherhood. Loot Hooni, the leader, and many
in the order have lived for many centuries. But it is
suspected that the line of Eck masters have outlived
most of them.
Babji, the head of the Yogata Satsing Society (sic)
masters, known in the United States as Self-Realization
Fellowship (under Parahansa Yogananda) (sic) is
to continue the work of Kriya Yoga. This is the same
reason that Rebazar Tarzs keeps his own body as an
Eck master, to serve the world and the human race
in lifting up all to the higher spiritual life.
If we can come to this degree of high realization
during our life here, to selflessly serve humanity and
its spiritual needs, it stands to reason that we can
be purified through God Realization via an out-of-the-
body state of consciousness, and keep the physical
as a healthy medium with which to bring the message
of truth to all in the universe.
[Note: Twitchell died of a massive heart attack at only 62 years of age,
caused by blocked arteries, after a lifetime of meat eating and a lousy
diet and not using an ounce of Ayurveda knowledge, or modern medicine,
let alone being a God-eater himself. ]
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TWITCHELL predicts the FUTURE
by James Walker AKA Paul Twitchell
PREDICTIONS FOR 1969
5. It will be found that the
assassination of Martin Luther King,
Jr., was part of a red plot to put
race against· race and create a
wider division between the two
races.
6. The news media and U.S.
government officials are going to
be shocked when it's learned that
Ho Chin Minh (sic) has long been dead
and they are dealing with only a
group of officials on the lower
echelon, who have refused to
inform their own people of this.
7. New oil fields will be developed
in Utah and Northern Nevada
which will almost equate the southwest
fields in this country, in
production of oil.
8. The Civil Rights movement will
start losing out because of a lack
of interest in its main objectives,
and the college and university
officials will crack down on
the college rioters heavily.
9. One of the greatest spiritual
books to be published will be the
"Tiger's Fang". The sale of this
book will OUTSELL ANY other book
in this same field during the next
decade.
10. A heavy quake will shake
the far north, in upper Alaska during
the late spring of the year.
11. Cary Grant and several
other well-known actors in the
older age bracket will be in the
news again as a group who have
formed a new production film
company for new pictures and
promotion of their own selves.
This will be a protest against the
standard promotion of younger
stars who haven't gained the acting
ability and experience versus the
older stars.
12. There will be a complete
change in the government of
land during middle of year. The
labor government will be thrown
out and the conservative part voted
in again.
13. Scientists will discover
that the UFO and flying saucers
phenomena will turn out to be psychic
facts and nothing more. That
they do not have anything to do with
this material world,
14, The world will wake up to find
that ECK is the leading spiritual
body today. That it is making
inroads in church memberships
and other religious bodies throughout
the world.
15. One of the biggest discoveries
of buried wealth will be
the lost treasure of Atahualpa,
last emperor of the Incas empire,
in the Llaganate mountains of
central Ecuador. Buried 450 years
ago to keep out of the hands of the
Spanish conquistadors, it will be
estimated between $50 to $100
million in gold, jewels, and various
religious artifacts.
16. The war in Vietnam will
sizzle out because the Russians
cannot afford to loan Hanoi more
military goods and money. The
troubles at home will stop her from
expanding the Russian empire.
18. The Nationalist Chinese
troops will attempt a landing on
the main land of Red China some
time during late summer.
20. Castro will gradually lose
power and eventually be removed
from office during the year and
that poor country will turn to the
U.S. for help.
23. A NEW WORLD SPIRITUAL
LEADER will be acclaimed in the
summer months. This time he will
be an Occidental. Many will believe
that he is THE NEW MESSIAH of the
AGE. His age although unknown he
will appear to be a man in his latter
thirties.
I.E. of course our Paul Twitchell ...
NOTE: James Walker's name does reappear in the DOBTLEM book published
in 1980. He is "credited" with a section in that book supposedly taken
from an upcoming new Biography on Twitchell due out in April 1981. It
never surfaced or was mentioned ever again.
If someone knows whether or not James Walker (or Jessica L. Walker as well)
is a real person, circa 1967-1980, please do let me know.
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1971-12 Strange World of Brad Steiger -- Paul Twitchell Predictions
Twitchell's past record in the arena of prophecy was steady and impressive.
Years in advance he saw the breakup of the Beatles. He also foresaw the
defeat of the labour Party in England, the arrival of the maxi-skirt, the
increase in the popularity of witchcraft, and the rise of the Neo-Nazi party.
The seer arrived at these predictions via the ECK method of prophecy, or
what he called the ECK-Vidya. [...]
And the outbreak of a Moon Plague, scheduled to release full fury upon
our planet no later than 1985. This plague will be caused by invading
germs brought back from the moon by astronauts.
WOULD YOU BY A USED CAR OR EVEN A COFFEE FROM BRAD STEIGER?
The man is a major CONMAN of extraordinarily high ratings in fiction and spin!
A very STRANGE World indeed!
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1967-11 Search Magazine - I Found God through a Living Adept
I FOUND GOD THROUGH A LIVING ADEPT
By Jessica L. Walker AKA Paul Twitchell in Drag.
(EXTRACTS)
He is said to be able to be in all
places simultaneously; and is immune
to disease.
He has amazing blue eyes and
appears to be in his late thirties.
He isn't at all concerned with what
others say about him.
It is said that he reads the
soul's records of anyone at a distance,
escorts the souls of departed
ones across the border of death
to their proper place in the spiritual
lands, and that he halted a
major earthquake last year in
Southern California.
[Note: So much then about Eck adepts always being
silent about any miracles being performed.]
Some students claim he pulled
a high spiritual master out of a
deadly illness last September,
when that teacher was near death
in the latter's ashram in India.
He is protected by an armor of
light arid anyone who tries to do
him the least injustice will have it
fly back on themselves almost at
once.
Many people seem to believe
that he is a living master of this
age, but nobody knows much about
this enigma of the twentieth century,
When asked about this he smiled and
said, "Oh, I will be a hundred and
seventy-nine on my next birthday."
He spoke in a jest, but facts remain
that he must have found the
secret of life as St. Germain did, in
the seventeenth century, for a
prominent European explorer who
was in Tibet at the turn of the
century, had this to say. "While
enroute to Lhasa in 1902, we put up
at a remote monastery in the mountains.
I found a traveler there, who
went by the name of Peddar Zaskq.
One monk
said the Lama was over five hundred
years old, but couldn't give
the other one's age. He guessed
that he was somewhat over a hundred.
Later, I linked the name of
Peddar Zaskq and Paul Twitchell
to be the same."
Later when talking with someone
well versed in mysticism, I was
told that I had been lifted out of the
body and placed on a higher plane.
It was similar to the man described
by St. Paul in his letters. He said,
"I knew a man who was lifted into
heaven in the twinkling of an eye."
I am very grateful for this experience
of having found God through a living adept.
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NOTE:
So clearly, the man who had just turned 40 years old in 1963, has now
morphed into a man who APPEARS to be in his late 30's in 1967 !!!
Oddly, Paul turned 60 years old in 1969, and was dead 2 years later
from heart disease.
And all of these things are arranged, written by, and approved of by
Paul Twitchell.
Clearly, Paul "isn't at all concerned with what others say about him."
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1969-01 Wanda Sue Parrot Paul Twitchell Interview
Article Soul Travel Thousands Join Up - Herald-Examiner LA Ca
Twitchell says in this interview, he receives 6,000 to 10,000 letters per WEEK.
He has 300,000 members worldwide. Three hundred THOUSAND, ok? This is only
early 1969.
The Tigers Fang book, released in 1967, and the popular IMSIAF by Steiger in
mid-1968.
300,000 members worldwide? What absolute rubbish.
Twitchell says he now needed a staff to answer these letters .. think
about this. How many staff would one need to answer 10,000 letters a week?
They would need to *process* about 180 letters per hour, 8 hours per day, 7
days per week.
Could each staff person read and respond or file away one letter every 6
minutes?
Let's pretend they could in a fantasy world scenario. That is 10 letters per
hour per staff.
This means 18 staff people - 8 hours per day - 7 days per week - MINIMUM
Reality would suggest twitchell would have needed a minimum of 40 staff just to
handle the incoming Mail. And that's BEFORE any other Administrative work was
being done for these 300,000 (fantasy) members of Eckankar.
Or helping Twitchell plan his travel, book halls, and arrange printing of
materials, process Initations, do Mailouts for discourses and member
newsletters. Answer the phone? It soon adds up.
This is late 1968 to very early 1969 .... why lie about such stuff? Who does
it serve and who does it help - during Paul's time and ever since? This is
absolute lunacy telling these kinds of make-believe stories.
Plausible deniability of the typical enamored loyal follower will now suggest
that Paul did not write this newspaper article and therefore HE cannot be held
responsible for it's contents. Maybe someone just made an HONEST mistake? They
were under-staffed and really busy, he was sooooo successful? What like 1000
mistakes just like this one every year. All were just honest mistakes?
Of course that would work out ok, if this was the ONLY time such wild figures
were being bandied about by Twitchell. What about all the other falsehoods in
the process and in his writings then?
I guess we could call this plain old *marketing*; or maybe the good works of
promoting God's true religion to the Masses and so the ends justify the means?
But seriously, you don't really believe that too do you? I hope not.
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1969-11-02 Idaho State Journal
- Soul Travel to God Predicted as Next Big Campus Movement
By Mrs. ANN ATKINSON Secretary ECKANKAR Inc.
AKA Mrs Gail Ann Twitchell (nee Atkinson) which means Paul Twitchell in
Drag again!
Las Vegas Nevada.- Sri Paul
Twitchell, a new religious leader
[...] is reportedly making deep
inroads on the orthodox faiths of
the world.
More than ONE MILLION people
around the globe, most of them
whom he has never seen BELIEVE
this amazing man is a living God
He is the new world spiritual
leader to them.
Nightly they sit meditation
whispering his name in hopes
of spiritual rejuvenation.
For these people he has the
ability to be in all places
simultaneously. He heals and
answers their prayers at vast
distances.
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January 1969 newspaper interview, Twitchell has over 300,000 followers worldwide.
November 1969 in another press release, Twitchell has over 30,000 Members
1972 Darwin in a newspaper interview says they have 12,000 members worldwide.
But here in Nov 1969 "more than ONE MILLION people believe Twitchell is a
living God"
Did they take a 'straw poll' or from adding up the (claimed) 6000-10,000
letters per week arriving for Twitchell to handle the healing requests?
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1970-01-09 Playground Daily News Fort Walton Beach FL
- New Religious Leader Makes World Impact
[ A do-over of "Soul Travel to God Predicted as Next Big Campus Movement" ]
Sri Twitchell turned down The Beatles in 1967
WHEN THEY APPROACHED HIM to study Eck because
of their indulgence in smoking pot and Hindu
Religion
When he walks on the street of any metropolitan
city, hundreds of people recognize him and
begin to follow. Often he will end up with a
crowd of several hundred people helping him shop.
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1970-01-02 Salina Journal Kansas - Nevadan Says He's High Guru (Press Release)
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1971-07 from DOBTLEM Part 6 pg 126-131
The importance of Becoming an Historical figure [1980]
EXTRACT of the final part that was included in the book DOBTLEM
of Paul's taped talk with Patti Simpson-Rivinus.
So therefore we got to be, to place ourselves in the mainstream, which I hope
I do and I have to say, unless I MAKE MYSELF A HISTORICAL FIGURE, the struggle
of ECK for survival is useless.
And the question of that comes up, well, why? Why do you make such a statement
as that? Every man who set out to do something in this world, unless he made
himself a historical figure, then he never again is remembered except by a few
when he passes.
Now, how does he make himself a historical figure? He might make it by his
writings, as CONFUCIUS did, or the delta king as Leonidas did, but he might be
a doer or an activist. He may be a man of action and by being a man of action,
then he becomes a historical figure, not necessarily, but usually.
And this is what I'm trying to say to you. Unless I get busy and get off all of
this little routine and all of these things which you are pushing at me
constantly, and set out to do something in this world, with my writings already
established, then I become a historical figure and all of the works of ECK
become a part of the mainstream of life.
And if you don't believe this, take a look at those who have done such a thing.
BUDDHA entered into the reform of the Indian religions, which was a terrible
burden upon the average Indian, at the time of his day in India. And as a
result, he became a great historical figure who established a worldwide
religion.
The same thing is said of JESUS because he set out and reformed the Jewish
religion which was at that time a very terrible way of living, in the sense
that the taxes, the way of life for the Jew, hindered by his own activity,
hindered by his own sacred laws, was so bad that he couldn't even walk fifty
feet on Sunday, because the law said he couldn't. They hardly ate on Sunday
because it was a sacred day. Well, all of these things have become a part of
those that have become a historical figure.
[ Note: Poor bugger, can't even get his Saturdays and his Sundays straight!
Some spiritual and religious expert, and the usefulness of reading 6000
words per hour, and being acclaimed as the living master of this age. ]
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Let's see what Paul Twitchell himself had to say about general ethics and
spiritual law.
1966 ITE booklet .. Violation of Spiritual Law by PT.
"The mass media today is guilty of flagrantly disobeying this Law of God. Newspapers, TV, radio, magazines and books are produced steadily to
influence readers to think and move in certain prescribed channels.
But what is the difference between praying for one to change consciousness
than it is for a newspaper publisher to try to change the readers of his
publication through editorials that are slanted for certain purpose in
social or political arenas? Even advertising is a form of practice of occult
technique to influence the thinking of the readers and make buyers of them.
A Buddhist priest would never think of trying to persuade a non-believer of
his faith to be a follower of the gentle Buddha. But western clergyman throw
their Energies into winning converts and changing the consciousness of their
congregations, in both the social and political areas."
[Search Google Docs TEAH - 1963-1971 Twitchell Eckankar ]
AKA "Do as I say; NOT as I do."
AKA Speaking with false tongues - out of both sides of one's mouth !!!
A neat trick, when one gets away with it.
Skyrockets look pretty; but they don't last long. What's the use
of starting a *spiritual teaching* when one undermines it's very
credibility FROM THE GET GO of setting it up?
Acting in ways so clearly dysfunctional and unethical that it
causes the endless bleeding of genuine members for decades ongoing
and creates as a result seriously bad PR for the next 50 years?
Can you name any business that has gotten away with such
approaches, and survived?
As the DOBTLEM shows, up to the day he died, Paul was very much
focused on advertising, promotions, getting more printed material out,
especially his books, and gaining new converts to HIS New Age
religion.
To the day he died he was lying about his life, his family, lying Sudar
Singh, and Kirpal Singh, of Rebazar Tarzs, and his real sources and all
that formed the teaching of Eckankar at that time.
And Paul was willing to do and say ANYTHING at ANYTIME, no matter how
untrue or false or misleading to REAL PEOPLE because the "winning converts
and changing the consciousness of his congregation" to believe HE WAS the
New Age Messiah of the AGE, bar none!
Yet in 2002, *the modern authority* on Paul Twitchell and Eckankar
teachings, Doug Marman, had NO IDEA that Paul had ever used the
term * NEW AGE MESSIAH * in talking about himself; and a YOUNG 30
something Messiah at that.
All of this is in books available to Marman from the day he joined up in 1972.
He worked in the ECK office for years - Marman then presents himself as an
EXPERT; with INSIDE Knowledge about the HISTORY better than almost all others
online through the 1990s and 2000s.
But all this stuff being claimed by Twitchell is right there in all the books
and discourses, and records in the ECK Office, all known by Patti Simpson his
#1 Mentor all the time ... all of Twitchell's non-stop self-promotions and his
writings as the evidence clearly shows.
What has Marman been doing the last 30 years as a "historical researcher" and
grandiose book author when he was challenging David Lane publicly; since 1983
in FATE magazine and claiming it's LANE who "doesn't get it"?
So what else does Doug MARMAN NOT KNOW, or HAD WRONG in the process of his 25
to 30 YEAR ARGUMENT with David Lane's research and anyone who might actually
question either Twitchell or ECKANKAR's bona fides?
BUCKET LOADS IS WHAT MARMAN GOT TOTALLY WRONG - EVEN MORE HE DID NOT KNOW,
and he still doesn't nor does he want to know!
Anyone, who takes anything that Marman has said or written the last 30 years
on face value and then believes it without question, without checking, is
just a silly billy!
That's the nice way to put it! OK? :-)
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Again, this style in approach such as the New Age Messiah PR stunt
comes AFTER one Brad Steiger appeared in Paul's life.
Had Steiger & Lancer not produced the fictional account about
Paul Twitchell in 1968, nothing much at all would have come of
Eckankar or Paul.
There is a 1976 Letter from Prof. Suptin to Brad Steiger, page 1 of 3,
clearly shows the short list of word for word plagiarisms by Paul in
the book IMSIAF taken from The Path of the Masters.
[Search Google Docs TEAH - 1971-2012 Eckankar History ]
This was sent at the time Brad was being asked by Darwin to write a
Biography about him.
Jesus called it reaping what we sowed. The CIA and others call it
Blowback when the likes of Osama Bin Laden who they supported in the
70's comes back to haunt the USA for two decades. Harold Klemp speaks
of it as the Law of Karma, something he appears to be equally
entrapped in as Paul was eventually.
"Even advertising is a form of practice of occult technique [that's
black magic] to influence the thinking of the readers and make buyers
of them." .. so says Paul himself.
In this case it's buyers of Paul's misrepresentations of himself, the
Eck masters, and of Eckankar for a yearly Membership Fee and the price
of a book - the contents of which have been taken from hundreds of
other *new age* styled authors as well as legitimate and long
established existing paths and religions.
Why is it such an impossible thing to do to quote others directly
and tell the whole story about these ideas and whence they come.
Paul was a talented writer, that's no excuse. Everyone else on the
planet had no problem speaking truth; why does Paul warrant getting
a Get out of Jail Free card?
Where does Harold get off not being required to tell ALL past and
current members of Eckankar the actual TRUTH as he knows it to be?
And he DOES KNOW IT .. make no mistake about that.
It is certainly true that Paul wasn't at all concerned with what
others said or thought about him. It is equally true that Paul didn't
care about what he said about himself, nor what he did in the process
of *creating Eckankar* either.
But more than anything, what strikes me is the distinct lack of care
for others who were personally harmed in that process and seriously
misled by the many intentional deceptions in his *writings* and
marketing after the event, and to this day it continues under Harold.
Any side value contained [and there certainly is or can be] within
the teachings and the writings is irrelevant and of no import for
that doesn't make the tragedy of the negative effects go away.
It all came from others anyway, and NOT from any inner or outer
teaching or path or mythology called Eckankar. Sure it also came
from Paul himself along the way as well. That's why he is the
person responsible for what comes of his own actions, his own
mistakes, his overstepping, his own desperation, his own
judgement and the cavalier way he used his *RT*; his Royal
Typewriter.
The ends do not justify the means. Not when car wrecks are left
all over the highway just because Paul was in a hurry to get to
his own personal destination and no matter what the cost to others.
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And then eventually as things bubbled along all entered SPINVILLE ...
I think stating Paul's plagiarism as insignificant because it is such
a small percentage of his total output is very misleading in two ways.
The first is the rather big assumption that the plagiarisms we know of
constitute the great majority of all Paul plagiarized. I highly doubt
this is true. For example, I just posted last week a note that showed
about 70% of one chapter in the ECK-Vidya was plagiarized, and
probably 50% of a second one. All from a single source. No one had
noted that before - and this is after years of people searching for
plagiarism. There are probably dozens of such undiscovered plagiarisms
out there that we will never know.
Many of them are easily overlooked because they are a single page out
of a single book somewhere. For example, one day I was reading Carl
Jung's book THE UNDISCOVERED SELF. Later that day I chanced to pick up
the Shariyat by Paul and found came upon two pages from Jung's book
that were copied word for word into the Shariyat. It took a lucky
coincidence for me to notice it. How often did Paul do this? We have
no idea for sure. But I think we have strong evidence that Paul had a
HABIT of plagiarizing, and can presume safely that he did it a heck of
a lot more than the few percentage points we have knowledge of.
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And Doug has even gone so far as to claim that "even David Lane admits
plagiarism is not the issue anymore."
As if the issues in the Doug-David hair-splitting contest are all
that matters!!!
It sure is the issue when a trusting ECKist suddenly comes upon a
big chunk of plagiarism which he innocently believed was a pristine
revelation from Yaubl Sacabi or the Shariyat on some higher plane.
Such surprises can, and DO SHAKE people right off the path - Doug's
assurances or not.
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/OhxqwMqKQAI/qRJwlMYbjV0J
and from another dear Soul called Seeker:
One thing that still I am wondering is the fact that Paul had the 14th
initiation or title of the Living Eck Master. I know he had experience
with Kirpal Singh, L Ron Hubbard and another one that I forgot.
[Premananda]
I just don't understand why he did what he did (the plagiarism and the
building up of his past) from a ethical point of view.
I thought that Masters were to have high ethics and would not do that.
If Paul wanted to protect his privacy can't he of said none of your
business? Maybe my viewpoint of a master and how he / she should act
from a westerners point of view off is way off compared to the eastern
view of a master.
IE If I was John Lennon and I did not place a high view on the
maharishi, I probably would not have been pissed about the womanizer
rumour that went on and would not have confronted him.
The fact that Paul said that Eckankar is the hub of ALL RELIGIONS
(which later I found that he took that from Kirpal singh and most
religions say that also in so many words), plagiarizing books, and
having a persons karma redistributed back to you if you leave Eck
still do not sit well.
I want to pinpoint it and resolve it.
NOTE: and this is not the only one stuck in this situation from the
1960s to to the NOW still - that's the Tragedy; and no one INSIDE
Eckankar gives a flying fuck about it, or anyone struggling through
such matters. NONE care one tiny bit, Doug Marman included!
His efforts were NOT about helping others but helping out his own
needs, desires, and the resurrection of Paul's reputation.
Callous as hardened steel all of them from Harold down. Patti
Simpson included .. ALL just simply REFUSE TO DEAL WITH IT HONESTLY,
ETHICALLY, MATURELY, or WITH compassion and wisdom and insight and
understanding.
[end note]
continuing with Seeker:
I mean if he plagiarized and copied a lot from Kirpal Singh why not
just use Kirpal Singhs discourses or who ever his discourses are?
How come Sri Harold Klemp has not addressed this as openly as we
have on the newsgroup? I know I have read in the mahanta transcripts
about paul and being a cliffhanger etc. Why not say this is what
happened in regards to paul etc..., this is the result of it, I
wash my hands lets move on. For those that want to stay, stay. For
those that want to leave, leave.
Seeker
PS
I wonder if other paths go through this same rigamoral as we are?
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/OhxqwMqKQAI/6p_nYXiDrAwJ
NOTE: YOU BET THEY DO Mr Seeker!
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PAUL TWITCHELLs ASTROLOGY CHART ANALYSIS
DOB 23rd October 1909 - Paducah Kentucky
Timing 12:15 am in the morning.
Scroll down the page for
KARMA ASTROLOGICAL COMPUTER CHARACTER ANALYSIS for Paul Twitchell
Compiled by the computer program PLUTO
(c) Copyright 1996 by Volker Doormann
http://www.volker-doormann.org/ptwitchell.htm
Enjoy ... lot's of answers in this Report.
Don't believe the Astral Library fantasy nightmare from Harold Klemp....
he really doesn't know what he is talking about, nor cares about YOU!
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See the thread about Paul Brunton - it's very relevant to this material.
https://groups.google.com/d/topic/alt.religion.eckankar/LIX1804uCRU/discussion
See other related ACCURATE and REAL history threads on alt.religion.eckankar
THE TRUE GURU OR MASTER by Kirpal Singh
https://groups.google.com/d/topic/alt.religion.eckankar/GkSjTaEMB1k/discussion
Why the Claim that 'ONLY 2% is Plagiarised' is a Fallacy
https://groups.google.com/d/topic/alt.religion.eckankar/WlS4XtgIns0/discussion
NEW RESEARCH BY CHUCK STOCKDALE The following examples were taken from two books,
"Awakened Imagination" by Neville - copyright 1954, and "The Far Country"
https://groups.google.com/d/topic/alt.religion.eckankar/Bk8WSgo1pcM/discussion
Info on Brad Steiger and Lancer Books
https://groups.google.com/d/topic/alt.religion.eckankar/mjVCAyDxOMg/discussion
[ more to come in this regard via Brad Steiger soon ]
BEYOND DUALITY: Sketches of Enlightened Spiritual Teachers & Hinduism
https://groups.google.com/d/topic/alt.religion.eckankar/T7i3At_3G9U/discussion
Unveiled Mysteries 1934 by Guy Ballard "I AM" & St. Germain
https://groups.google.com/d/topic/alt.religion.eckankar/0S2O86SERN8/discussion
The Lama's Law - Talbot Mundy (Some Quotes)
https://groups.google.com/d/topic/alt.religion.eckankar/kMCzyn2m8pE/discussion
Kirpal Singh's 1955 USA Tour & Paul Twitchell Initiation in DC
https://groups.google.com/d/topic/alt.religion.eckankar/0bLx466NCIg/discussion
Some Past Spiritual Masters seen by Ruhani Initiates in Meditation
https://groups.google.com/d/topic/alt.religion.eckankar/syWdNizo2Wo/discussion
Kirpal Singh's 1963 USA Tour & Gail's Initiation in San Francisco
https://groups.google.com/d/topic/alt.religion.eckankar/fsSDtKByjvk/discussion
1971-07 from DOBTLEM Paul & Sudar Singh [pub. 1980]
https://groups.google.com/d/topic/alt.religion.eckankar/qnwstVtRosA/discussion
Scientific Principles and Practices of Spiritual Evolution (Part 6 of 6)
https://groups.google.com/d/topic/alt.religion.eckankar/nlBqsxPgDNw/discussion
Implausible Criticisms of Kirpal Singh being Critical of Paul Twitchell-5 Parts
https://groups.google.com/d/topic/alt.religion.eckankar/IYKikgDDuGg/discussion
The Implausible Criticisms of Kirpal Singh - Summary & Links
https://groups.google.com/d/topic/alt.religion.eckankar/P4ImqMdXKB8/discussion
Theological Echo Chamber
https://groups.google.com/d/topic/alt.religion.eckankar/Pm1DA4k7Z1Y/discussion
The Three Independent History Levels and Perspectives of Paul Twitchell & Eckankar
https://groups.google.com/d/topic/alt.religion.eckankar/SILvOAzt6X0/discussion
The Law of Grace : Letters to Gail Vol. III
https://groups.google.com/d/topic/alt.religion.eckankar/e65ktbBxHiw/discussion
An Open Letter to Gail
https://groups.google.com/d/topic/alt.religion.eckankar/_ct4rHPx-Qo/discussion
Grinding & Ruthless Change 2012 - Revisited
https://groups.google.com/d/topic/alt.religion.eckankar/GNRRowK8XfA/discussion
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"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and
conscientious stupidity." - Martin Luther King, Jr.
UPDATE on a 2012 post - ENJOY!
A little bit more of Eckankar History including post-Paul Twitchell.
Paul Twitchell as Self-described New Age Messiah - with References
I also find it curious that you would use the word, Messiah, when referring
to Paul, even calling him a "self-described Messiah", when in fact Paul
never, to my knowledge, referred to himself as a Messiah, and I can't
imagine himself referring to himself that way. Of course, I could be wrong,
and if you show me a quote, I'll be glad to admit my error. However, I don't
know of any ECKists who would think of Paul that way.
Joe replies:to Paul, even calling him a "self-described Messiah", when in fact Paul
never, to my knowledge, referred to himself as a Messiah, and I can't
imagine himself referring to himself that way. Of course, I could be wrong,
and if you show me a quote, I'll be glad to admit my error. However, I don't
know of any ECKists who would think of Paul that way.
"See Paulji's early book ALL ABOUT ECK. The reference is there."
---
Doug never ever acknowledges this reply by Joe -- despite promising
---> I'll be glad to admit my error. <---
Maybe when Hell Freezes Over he might do it.
SEE Original Ref in 2002:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/W2p3rgx6Sv8/Sj2bcqnExCoJ
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REFERENCES INCLUDE:
1968 - All About ECK by Paul Twitchell - extracts
Is The New Age Messias (sic) In Our Midst?
The whole
point which is being presented here is whether
the Messias for this present age has made his
appearance, and how do we judge whether he is
with us now. Certain factors and events which
are coming about somewhat PROVE THAT
WE ARE BLESSED WITH HIS PRESENCE.
Since the advent of ECKANKAR into the modern
world,starting about 1935,the crises in human
affairs have become more intense and now seem
at the bursting point.
The ancient one, the agent of God, whom we
call the Messias, or the Godman, appears in the
world with every new age. NOW HE HAS APPEARED
WITH THE age-old teachings, ECK, which will give
the human race a spiritual boost, taking many
over the crises into the realm of God.
The Buddhist scriptures speak of the Matriya (sic)
who comes for this age to take the followers of
Buddhism back to God; that he is to be born on
a body of water where horses graze upon the
shores, and where the fields are green.
HE IS AN OCCIDENTAL who shall not sit in the
lotus position, but will occupy a straight chair
and put his feet on the floor. Many have claimed
they were the present world Messias, but the proof
is not in evidence.
The deliverance of the universal world
message must be an age-old teaching.
ECK is a complete body of Supreme Wisdom
which has silently been waiting for its rediscovery
and few have ever had the ability or the courage
to confront it.
The Godman always does his miracles in
silence, when few, if any, are watching,
It was my privilege to sit in the company of Sudar
Singh, the great ECK Master, years ago when a
man asked to be healed of arthritis in his feet.
The Master merely smiled and talked about something
else, while the man impatiently insisted on
being healed. Finally he gave up and left, but
the limping gait he had when entering the Ashram
was gone, He now walked like a man without
suffering pain in the feet his gait was that of
a healthy person.
Online Ref see last chapter:
http://selfdefinition.org/radha-soami/Paul%20Twitchell%20-%20All%20About%20ECK.pdf
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The Longevity of the Ancient Adepts
Should we be fortunate to learn rejuvenation such
as Ayur Vedha, (sic) a system of renewing the body health,
[see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayurveda ]
we can at least look and feel 30 years younger. The
Kaya Kalp treatment, within that system, used to
bring back youth and health again, is given at the
Katsupari monastery in Tibet by Fubbi Quantz.
There are also other systems for use to regain
youth and health which have proven to be very successful.
The only trouble is that they are so well
hidden that we hardly hear of them. They are easier
followed than the famed drill of the Eshwar-Khanewale,
known in English as the God-Eaters.
Actually these are the ancient adepts of the Eck
Masters who live in the spiritual city of Agam Des,
near the border of Northeast India. Some have used
their physical bodies for thousands of years and
would put the aged citizenry of Hunza down as babesin-
arms. They are able to consume the cosmic spirit
for food, which preserves their bodies to serve the
inhabitants of many planets. Among Christian saints
who could do this was St. Catherine of Sienna.
Heading this order of Eck masters is Yaubl
Sucabi (sic)whose age is beyond human conception. The
old men who lived in rural England during the eighteenth
century who defied nature in living from 105
to 135 years, seem like trying to compare grandson to
grandfather.
St. Germain spent a long time in one body. We
have proof enough to know he went beyond two
hundred years. He now spends his years in a castle
hidden in the wilds of Transylvania.
Madame Blavatsky who founded the Theosophical
Society acquainted the world with the masters of the
White Brotherhood. Loot Hooni, the leader, and many
in the order have lived for many centuries. But it is
suspected that the line of Eck masters have outlived
most of them.
Babji, the head of the Yogata Satsing Society (sic)
masters, known in the United States as Self-Realization
Fellowship (under Parahansa Yogananda) (sic) is
to continue the work of Kriya Yoga. This is the same
reason that Rebazar Tarzs keeps his own body as an
Eck master, to serve the world and the human race
in lifting up all to the higher spiritual life.
If we can come to this degree of high realization
during our life here, to selflessly serve humanity and
its spiritual needs, it stands to reason that we can
be purified through God Realization via an out-of-the-
body state of consciousness, and keep the physical
as a healthy medium with which to bring the message
of truth to all in the universe.
[Note: Twitchell died of a massive heart attack at only 62 years of age,
caused by blocked arteries, after a lifetime of meat eating and a lousy
diet and not using an ounce of Ayurveda knowledge, or modern medicine,
let alone being a God-eater himself. ]
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TWITCHELL predicts the FUTURE
by James Walker AKA Paul Twitchell
PREDICTIONS FOR 1969
5. It will be found that the
assassination of Martin Luther King,
Jr., was part of a red plot to put
race against· race and create a
wider division between the two
races.
6. The news media and U.S.
government officials are going to
be shocked when it's learned that
Ho Chin Minh (sic) has long been dead
and they are dealing with only a
group of officials on the lower
echelon, who have refused to
inform their own people of this.
7. New oil fields will be developed
in Utah and Northern Nevada
which will almost equate the southwest
fields in this country, in
production of oil.
8. The Civil Rights movement will
start losing out because of a lack
of interest in its main objectives,
and the college and university
officials will crack down on
the college rioters heavily.
9. One of the greatest spiritual
books to be published will be the
"Tiger's Fang". The sale of this
book will OUTSELL ANY other book
in this same field during the next
decade.
10. A heavy quake will shake
the far north, in upper Alaska during
the late spring of the year.
11. Cary Grant and several
other well-known actors in the
older age bracket will be in the
news again as a group who have
formed a new production film
company for new pictures and
promotion of their own selves.
This will be a protest against the
standard promotion of younger
stars who haven't gained the acting
ability and experience versus the
older stars.
12. There will be a complete
change in the government of
land during middle of year. The
labor government will be thrown
out and the conservative part voted
in again.
13. Scientists will discover
that the UFO and flying saucers
phenomena will turn out to be psychic
facts and nothing more. That
they do not have anything to do with
this material world,
14, The world will wake up to find
that ECK is the leading spiritual
body today. That it is making
inroads in church memberships
and other religious bodies throughout
the world.
15. One of the biggest discoveries
of buried wealth will be
the lost treasure of Atahualpa,
last emperor of the Incas empire,
in the Llaganate mountains of
central Ecuador. Buried 450 years
ago to keep out of the hands of the
Spanish conquistadors, it will be
estimated between $50 to $100
million in gold, jewels, and various
religious artifacts.
16. The war in Vietnam will
sizzle out because the Russians
cannot afford to loan Hanoi more
military goods and money. The
troubles at home will stop her from
expanding the Russian empire.
18. The Nationalist Chinese
troops will attempt a landing on
the main land of Red China some
time during late summer.
20. Castro will gradually lose
power and eventually be removed
from office during the year and
that poor country will turn to the
U.S. for help.
23. A NEW WORLD SPIRITUAL
LEADER will be acclaimed in the
summer months. This time he will
be an Occidental. Many will believe
that he is THE NEW MESSIAH of the
AGE. His age although unknown he
will appear to be a man in his latter
thirties.
I.E. of course our Paul Twitchell ...
NOTE: James Walker's name does reappear in the DOBTLEM book published
in 1980. He is "credited" with a section in that book supposedly taken
from an upcoming new Biography on Twitchell due out in April 1981. It
never surfaced or was mentioned ever again.
If someone knows whether or not James Walker (or Jessica L. Walker as well)
is a real person, circa 1967-1980, please do let me know.
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1971-12 Strange World of Brad Steiger -- Paul Twitchell Predictions
Twitchell's past record in the arena of prophecy was steady and impressive.
Years in advance he saw the breakup of the Beatles. He also foresaw the
defeat of the labour Party in England, the arrival of the maxi-skirt, the
increase in the popularity of witchcraft, and the rise of the Neo-Nazi party.
The seer arrived at these predictions via the ECK method of prophecy, or
what he called the ECK-Vidya. [...]
And the outbreak of a Moon Plague, scheduled to release full fury upon
our planet no later than 1985. This plague will be caused by invading
germs brought back from the moon by astronauts.
WOULD YOU BY A USED CAR OR EVEN A COFFEE FROM BRAD STEIGER?
The man is a major CONMAN of extraordinarily high ratings in fiction and spin!
A very STRANGE World indeed!
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1967-11 Search Magazine - I Found God through a Living Adept
I FOUND GOD THROUGH A LIVING ADEPT
By Jessica L. Walker AKA Paul Twitchell in Drag.
(EXTRACTS)
He is said to be able to be in all
places simultaneously; and is immune
to disease.
He has amazing blue eyes and
appears to be in his late thirties.
He isn't at all concerned with what
others say about him.
It is said that he reads the
soul's records of anyone at a distance,
escorts the souls of departed
ones across the border of death
to their proper place in the spiritual
lands, and that he halted a
major earthquake last year in
Southern California.
[Note: So much then about Eck adepts always being
silent about any miracles being performed.]
Some students claim he pulled
a high spiritual master out of a
deadly illness last September,
when that teacher was near death
in the latter's ashram in India.
He is protected by an armor of
light arid anyone who tries to do
him the least injustice will have it
fly back on themselves almost at
once.
Many people seem to believe
that he is a living master of this
age, but nobody knows much about
this enigma of the twentieth century,
When asked about this he smiled and
said, "Oh, I will be a hundred and
seventy-nine on my next birthday."
He spoke in a jest, but facts remain
that he must have found the
secret of life as St. Germain did, in
the seventeenth century, for a
prominent European explorer who
was in Tibet at the turn of the
century, had this to say. "While
enroute to Lhasa in 1902, we put up
at a remote monastery in the mountains.
I found a traveler there, who
went by the name of Peddar Zaskq.
One monk
said the Lama was over five hundred
years old, but couldn't give
the other one's age. He guessed
that he was somewhat over a hundred.
Later, I linked the name of
Peddar Zaskq and Paul Twitchell
to be the same."
Later when talking with someone
well versed in mysticism, I was
told that I had been lifted out of the
body and placed on a higher plane.
It was similar to the man described
by St. Paul in his letters. He said,
"I knew a man who was lifted into
heaven in the twinkling of an eye."
I am very grateful for this experience
of having found God through a living adept.
---
NOTE:
So clearly, the man who had just turned 40 years old in 1963, has now
morphed into a man who APPEARS to be in his late 30's in 1967 !!!
Oddly, Paul turned 60 years old in 1969, and was dead 2 years later
from heart disease.
And all of these things are arranged, written by, and approved of by
Paul Twitchell.
Clearly, Paul "isn't at all concerned with what others say about him."
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1969-01 Wanda Sue Parrot Paul Twitchell Interview
Article Soul Travel Thousands Join Up - Herald-Examiner LA Ca
Twitchell says in this interview, he receives 6,000 to 10,000 letters per WEEK.
He has 300,000 members worldwide. Three hundred THOUSAND, ok? This is only
early 1969.
The Tigers Fang book, released in 1967, and the popular IMSIAF by Steiger in
mid-1968.
300,000 members worldwide? What absolute rubbish.
Twitchell says he now needed a staff to answer these letters .. think
about this. How many staff would one need to answer 10,000 letters a week?
They would need to *process* about 180 letters per hour, 8 hours per day, 7
days per week.
Could each staff person read and respond or file away one letter every 6
minutes?
Let's pretend they could in a fantasy world scenario. That is 10 letters per
hour per staff.
This means 18 staff people - 8 hours per day - 7 days per week - MINIMUM
Reality would suggest twitchell would have needed a minimum of 40 staff just to
handle the incoming Mail. And that's BEFORE any other Administrative work was
being done for these 300,000 (fantasy) members of Eckankar.
Or helping Twitchell plan his travel, book halls, and arrange printing of
materials, process Initations, do Mailouts for discourses and member
newsletters. Answer the phone? It soon adds up.
This is late 1968 to very early 1969 .... why lie about such stuff? Who does
it serve and who does it help - during Paul's time and ever since? This is
absolute lunacy telling these kinds of make-believe stories.
Plausible deniability of the typical enamored loyal follower will now suggest
that Paul did not write this newspaper article and therefore HE cannot be held
responsible for it's contents. Maybe someone just made an HONEST mistake? They
were under-staffed and really busy, he was sooooo successful? What like 1000
mistakes just like this one every year. All were just honest mistakes?
Of course that would work out ok, if this was the ONLY time such wild figures
were being bandied about by Twitchell. What about all the other falsehoods in
the process and in his writings then?
I guess we could call this plain old *marketing*; or maybe the good works of
promoting God's true religion to the Masses and so the ends justify the means?
But seriously, you don't really believe that too do you? I hope not.
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1969-11-02 Idaho State Journal
- Soul Travel to God Predicted as Next Big Campus Movement
By Mrs. ANN ATKINSON Secretary ECKANKAR Inc.
AKA Mrs Gail Ann Twitchell (nee Atkinson) which means Paul Twitchell in
Drag again!
Las Vegas Nevada.- Sri Paul
Twitchell, a new religious leader
[...] is reportedly making deep
inroads on the orthodox faiths of
the world.
More than ONE MILLION people
around the globe, most of them
whom he has never seen BELIEVE
this amazing man is a living God
He is the new world spiritual
leader to them.
Nightly they sit meditation
whispering his name in hopes
of spiritual rejuvenation.
For these people he has the
ability to be in all places
simultaneously. He heals and
answers their prayers at vast
distances.
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January 1969 newspaper interview, Twitchell has over 300,000 followers worldwide.
November 1969 in another press release, Twitchell has over 30,000 Members
1972 Darwin in a newspaper interview says they have 12,000 members worldwide.
But here in Nov 1969 "more than ONE MILLION people believe Twitchell is a
living God"
Did they take a 'straw poll' or from adding up the (claimed) 6000-10,000
letters per week arriving for Twitchell to handle the healing requests?
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1970-01-09 Playground Daily News Fort Walton Beach FL
- New Religious Leader Makes World Impact
[ A do-over of "Soul Travel to God Predicted as Next Big Campus Movement" ]
Sri Twitchell turned down The Beatles in 1967
WHEN THEY APPROACHED HIM to study Eck because
of their indulgence in smoking pot and Hindu
Religion
When he walks on the street of any metropolitan
city, hundreds of people recognize him and
begin to follow. Often he will end up with a
crowd of several hundred people helping him shop.
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1970-01-02 Salina Journal Kansas - Nevadan Says He's High Guru (Press Release)
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1971-07 from DOBTLEM Part 6 pg 126-131
The importance of Becoming an Historical figure [1980]
EXTRACT of the final part that was included in the book DOBTLEM
of Paul's taped talk with Patti Simpson-Rivinus.
So therefore we got to be, to place ourselves in the mainstream, which I hope
I do and I have to say, unless I MAKE MYSELF A HISTORICAL FIGURE, the struggle
of ECK for survival is useless.
And the question of that comes up, well, why? Why do you make such a statement
as that? Every man who set out to do something in this world, unless he made
himself a historical figure, then he never again is remembered except by a few
when he passes.
Now, how does he make himself a historical figure? He might make it by his
writings, as CONFUCIUS did, or the delta king as Leonidas did, but he might be
a doer or an activist. He may be a man of action and by being a man of action,
then he becomes a historical figure, not necessarily, but usually.
And this is what I'm trying to say to you. Unless I get busy and get off all of
this little routine and all of these things which you are pushing at me
constantly, and set out to do something in this world, with my writings already
established, then I become a historical figure and all of the works of ECK
become a part of the mainstream of life.
And if you don't believe this, take a look at those who have done such a thing.
BUDDHA entered into the reform of the Indian religions, which was a terrible
burden upon the average Indian, at the time of his day in India. And as a
result, he became a great historical figure who established a worldwide
religion.
The same thing is said of JESUS because he set out and reformed the Jewish
religion which was at that time a very terrible way of living, in the sense
that the taxes, the way of life for the Jew, hindered by his own activity,
hindered by his own sacred laws, was so bad that he couldn't even walk fifty
feet on Sunday, because the law said he couldn't. They hardly ate on Sunday
because it was a sacred day. Well, all of these things have become a part of
those that have become a historical figure.
[ Note: Poor bugger, can't even get his Saturdays and his Sundays straight!
Some spiritual and religious expert, and the usefulness of reading 6000
words per hour, and being acclaimed as the living master of this age. ]
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Let's see what Paul Twitchell himself had to say about general ethics and
spiritual law.
1966 ITE booklet .. Violation of Spiritual Law by PT.
"The mass media today is guilty of flagrantly disobeying this Law of God. Newspapers, TV, radio, magazines and books are produced steadily to
influence readers to think and move in certain prescribed channels.
But what is the difference between praying for one to change consciousness
than it is for a newspaper publisher to try to change the readers of his
publication through editorials that are slanted for certain purpose in
social or political arenas? Even advertising is a form of practice of occult
technique to influence the thinking of the readers and make buyers of them.
A Buddhist priest would never think of trying to persuade a non-believer of
his faith to be a follower of the gentle Buddha. But western clergyman throw
their Energies into winning converts and changing the consciousness of their
congregations, in both the social and political areas."
[Search Google Docs TEAH - 1963-1971 Twitchell Eckankar ]
AKA "Do as I say; NOT as I do."
AKA Speaking with false tongues - out of both sides of one's mouth !!!
A neat trick, when one gets away with it.
Skyrockets look pretty; but they don't last long. What's the use
of starting a *spiritual teaching* when one undermines it's very
credibility FROM THE GET GO of setting it up?
Acting in ways so clearly dysfunctional and unethical that it
causes the endless bleeding of genuine members for decades ongoing
and creates as a result seriously bad PR for the next 50 years?
Can you name any business that has gotten away with such
approaches, and survived?
As the DOBTLEM shows, up to the day he died, Paul was very much
focused on advertising, promotions, getting more printed material out,
especially his books, and gaining new converts to HIS New Age
religion.
To the day he died he was lying about his life, his family, lying Sudar
Singh, and Kirpal Singh, of Rebazar Tarzs, and his real sources and all
that formed the teaching of Eckankar at that time.
And Paul was willing to do and say ANYTHING at ANYTIME, no matter how
untrue or false or misleading to REAL PEOPLE because the "winning converts
and changing the consciousness of his congregation" to believe HE WAS the
New Age Messiah of the AGE, bar none!
Yet in 2002, *the modern authority* on Paul Twitchell and Eckankar
teachings, Doug Marman, had NO IDEA that Paul had ever used the
term * NEW AGE MESSIAH * in talking about himself; and a YOUNG 30
something Messiah at that.
All of this is in books available to Marman from the day he joined up in 1972.
He worked in the ECK office for years - Marman then presents himself as an
EXPERT; with INSIDE Knowledge about the HISTORY better than almost all others
online through the 1990s and 2000s.
But all this stuff being claimed by Twitchell is right there in all the books
and discourses, and records in the ECK Office, all known by Patti Simpson his
#1 Mentor all the time ... all of Twitchell's non-stop self-promotions and his
writings as the evidence clearly shows.
What has Marman been doing the last 30 years as a "historical researcher" and
grandiose book author when he was challenging David Lane publicly; since 1983
in FATE magazine and claiming it's LANE who "doesn't get it"?
So what else does Doug MARMAN NOT KNOW, or HAD WRONG in the process of his 25
to 30 YEAR ARGUMENT with David Lane's research and anyone who might actually
question either Twitchell or ECKANKAR's bona fides?
BUCKET LOADS IS WHAT MARMAN GOT TOTALLY WRONG - EVEN MORE HE DID NOT KNOW,
and he still doesn't nor does he want to know!
Anyone, who takes anything that Marman has said or written the last 30 years
on face value and then believes it without question, without checking, is
just a silly billy!
That's the nice way to put it! OK? :-)
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Again, this style in approach such as the New Age Messiah PR stunt
comes AFTER one Brad Steiger appeared in Paul's life.
Had Steiger & Lancer not produced the fictional account about
Paul Twitchell in 1968, nothing much at all would have come of
Eckankar or Paul.
There is a 1976 Letter from Prof. Suptin to Brad Steiger, page 1 of 3,
clearly shows the short list of word for word plagiarisms by Paul in
the book IMSIAF taken from The Path of the Masters.
[Search Google Docs TEAH - 1971-2012 Eckankar History ]
This was sent at the time Brad was being asked by Darwin to write a
Biography about him.
Jesus called it reaping what we sowed. The CIA and others call it
Blowback when the likes of Osama Bin Laden who they supported in the
70's comes back to haunt the USA for two decades. Harold Klemp speaks
of it as the Law of Karma, something he appears to be equally
entrapped in as Paul was eventually.
"Even advertising is a form of practice of occult technique [that's
black magic] to influence the thinking of the readers and make buyers
of them." .. so says Paul himself.
In this case it's buyers of Paul's misrepresentations of himself, the
Eck masters, and of Eckankar for a yearly Membership Fee and the price
of a book - the contents of which have been taken from hundreds of
other *new age* styled authors as well as legitimate and long
established existing paths and religions.
Why is it such an impossible thing to do to quote others directly
and tell the whole story about these ideas and whence they come.
Paul was a talented writer, that's no excuse. Everyone else on the
planet had no problem speaking truth; why does Paul warrant getting
a Get out of Jail Free card?
Where does Harold get off not being required to tell ALL past and
current members of Eckankar the actual TRUTH as he knows it to be?
And he DOES KNOW IT .. make no mistake about that.
It is certainly true that Paul wasn't at all concerned with what
others said or thought about him. It is equally true that Paul didn't
care about what he said about himself, nor what he did in the process
of *creating Eckankar* either.
But more than anything, what strikes me is the distinct lack of care
for others who were personally harmed in that process and seriously
misled by the many intentional deceptions in his *writings* and
marketing after the event, and to this day it continues under Harold.
Any side value contained [and there certainly is or can be] within
the teachings and the writings is irrelevant and of no import for
that doesn't make the tragedy of the negative effects go away.
It all came from others anyway, and NOT from any inner or outer
teaching or path or mythology called Eckankar. Sure it also came
from Paul himself along the way as well. That's why he is the
person responsible for what comes of his own actions, his own
mistakes, his overstepping, his own desperation, his own
judgement and the cavalier way he used his *RT*; his Royal
Typewriter.
The ends do not justify the means. Not when car wrecks are left
all over the highway just because Paul was in a hurry to get to
his own personal destination and no matter what the cost to others.
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And then eventually as things bubbled along all entered SPINVILLE ...
I believe a lot of your questions result from the information you have
received which has exaggerated and distorted. For instance, you ask
about _all_ the "plagiarism". Well all of it may be 2% of what Paul
wrote. Actually only .4% has been documented.
CATLIST replies:received which has exaggerated and distorted. For instance, you ask
about _all_ the "plagiarism". Well all of it may be 2% of what Paul
wrote. Actually only .4% has been documented.
I think stating Paul's plagiarism as insignificant because it is such
a small percentage of his total output is very misleading in two ways.
The first is the rather big assumption that the plagiarisms we know of
constitute the great majority of all Paul plagiarized. I highly doubt
this is true. For example, I just posted last week a note that showed
about 70% of one chapter in the ECK-Vidya was plagiarized, and
probably 50% of a second one. All from a single source. No one had
noted that before - and this is after years of people searching for
plagiarism. There are probably dozens of such undiscovered plagiarisms
out there that we will never know.
Many of them are easily overlooked because they are a single page out
of a single book somewhere. For example, one day I was reading Carl
Jung's book THE UNDISCOVERED SELF. Later that day I chanced to pick up
the Shariyat by Paul and found came upon two pages from Jung's book
that were copied word for word into the Shariyat. It took a lucky
coincidence for me to notice it. How often did Paul do this? We have
no idea for sure. But I think we have strong evidence that Paul had a
HABIT of plagiarizing, and can presume safely that he did it a heck of
a lot more than the few percentage points we have knowledge of.
--
And Doug has even gone so far as to claim that "even David Lane admits
plagiarism is not the issue anymore."
As if the issues in the Doug-David hair-splitting contest are all
that matters!!!
It sure is the issue when a trusting ECKist suddenly comes upon a
big chunk of plagiarism which he innocently believed was a pristine
revelation from Yaubl Sacabi or the Shariyat on some higher plane.
Such surprises can, and DO SHAKE people right off the path - Doug's
assurances or not.
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/OhxqwMqKQAI/qRJwlMYbjV0J
and from another dear Soul called Seeker:
One thing that still I am wondering is the fact that Paul had the 14th
initiation or title of the Living Eck Master. I know he had experience
with Kirpal Singh, L Ron Hubbard and another one that I forgot.
[Premananda]
I just don't understand why he did what he did (the plagiarism and the
building up of his past) from a ethical point of view.
I thought that Masters were to have high ethics and would not do that.
If Paul wanted to protect his privacy can't he of said none of your
business? Maybe my viewpoint of a master and how he / she should act
from a westerners point of view off is way off compared to the eastern
view of a master.
IE If I was John Lennon and I did not place a high view on the
maharishi, I probably would not have been pissed about the womanizer
rumour that went on and would not have confronted him.
The fact that Paul said that Eckankar is the hub of ALL RELIGIONS
(which later I found that he took that from Kirpal singh and most
religions say that also in so many words), plagiarizing books, and
having a persons karma redistributed back to you if you leave Eck
still do not sit well.
I want to pinpoint it and resolve it.
NOTE: and this is not the only one stuck in this situation from the
1960s to to the NOW still - that's the Tragedy; and no one INSIDE
Eckankar gives a flying fuck about it, or anyone struggling through
such matters. NONE care one tiny bit, Doug Marman included!
His efforts were NOT about helping others but helping out his own
needs, desires, and the resurrection of Paul's reputation.
Callous as hardened steel all of them from Harold down. Patti
Simpson included .. ALL just simply REFUSE TO DEAL WITH IT HONESTLY,
ETHICALLY, MATURELY, or WITH compassion and wisdom and insight and
understanding.
[end note]
continuing with Seeker:
I mean if he plagiarized and copied a lot from Kirpal Singh why not
just use Kirpal Singhs discourses or who ever his discourses are?
How come Sri Harold Klemp has not addressed this as openly as we
have on the newsgroup? I know I have read in the mahanta transcripts
about paul and being a cliffhanger etc. Why not say this is what
happened in regards to paul etc..., this is the result of it, I
wash my hands lets move on. For those that want to stay, stay. For
those that want to leave, leave.
Seeker
PS
I wonder if other paths go through this same rigamoral as we are?
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/OhxqwMqKQAI/6p_nYXiDrAwJ
NOTE: YOU BET THEY DO Mr Seeker!
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PAUL TWITCHELLs ASTROLOGY CHART ANALYSIS
DOB 23rd October 1909 - Paducah Kentucky
Timing 12:15 am in the morning.
Scroll down the page for
KARMA ASTROLOGICAL COMPUTER CHARACTER ANALYSIS for Paul Twitchell
Compiled by the computer program PLUTO
(c) Copyright 1996 by Volker Doormann
http://www.volker-doormann.org/ptwitchell.htm
Enjoy ... lot's of answers in this Report.
Don't believe the Astral Library fantasy nightmare from Harold Klemp....
he really doesn't know what he is talking about, nor cares about YOU!
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See the thread about Paul Brunton - it's very relevant to this material.
https://groups.google.com/d/topic/alt.religion.eckankar/LIX1804uCRU/discussion
See other related ACCURATE and REAL history threads on alt.religion.eckankar
THE TRUE GURU OR MASTER by Kirpal Singh
https://groups.google.com/d/topic/alt.religion.eckankar/GkSjTaEMB1k/discussion
Why the Claim that 'ONLY 2% is Plagiarised' is a Fallacy
https://groups.google.com/d/topic/alt.religion.eckankar/WlS4XtgIns0/discussion
NEW RESEARCH BY CHUCK STOCKDALE The following examples were taken from two books,
"Awakened Imagination" by Neville - copyright 1954, and "The Far Country"
https://groups.google.com/d/topic/alt.religion.eckankar/Bk8WSgo1pcM/discussion
Info on Brad Steiger and Lancer Books
https://groups.google.com/d/topic/alt.religion.eckankar/mjVCAyDxOMg/discussion
[ more to come in this regard via Brad Steiger soon ]
BEYOND DUALITY: Sketches of Enlightened Spiritual Teachers & Hinduism
https://groups.google.com/d/topic/alt.religion.eckankar/T7i3At_3G9U/discussion
Unveiled Mysteries 1934 by Guy Ballard "I AM" & St. Germain
https://groups.google.com/d/topic/alt.religion.eckankar/0S2O86SERN8/discussion
The Lama's Law - Talbot Mundy (Some Quotes)
https://groups.google.com/d/topic/alt.religion.eckankar/kMCzyn2m8pE/discussion
Kirpal Singh's 1955 USA Tour & Paul Twitchell Initiation in DC
https://groups.google.com/d/topic/alt.religion.eckankar/0bLx466NCIg/discussion
Some Past Spiritual Masters seen by Ruhani Initiates in Meditation
https://groups.google.com/d/topic/alt.religion.eckankar/syWdNizo2Wo/discussion
Kirpal Singh's 1963 USA Tour & Gail's Initiation in San Francisco
https://groups.google.com/d/topic/alt.religion.eckankar/fsSDtKByjvk/discussion
1971-07 from DOBTLEM Paul & Sudar Singh [pub. 1980]
https://groups.google.com/d/topic/alt.religion.eckankar/qnwstVtRosA/discussion
Scientific Principles and Practices of Spiritual Evolution (Part 6 of 6)
https://groups.google.com/d/topic/alt.religion.eckankar/nlBqsxPgDNw/discussion
Implausible Criticisms of Kirpal Singh being Critical of Paul Twitchell-5 Parts
https://groups.google.com/d/topic/alt.religion.eckankar/IYKikgDDuGg/discussion
The Implausible Criticisms of Kirpal Singh - Summary & Links
https://groups.google.com/d/topic/alt.religion.eckankar/P4ImqMdXKB8/discussion
Theological Echo Chamber
https://groups.google.com/d/topic/alt.religion.eckankar/Pm1DA4k7Z1Y/discussion
The Three Independent History Levels and Perspectives of Paul Twitchell & Eckankar
https://groups.google.com/d/topic/alt.religion.eckankar/SILvOAzt6X0/discussion
The Law of Grace : Letters to Gail Vol. III
https://groups.google.com/d/topic/alt.religion.eckankar/e65ktbBxHiw/discussion
An Open Letter to Gail
https://groups.google.com/d/topic/alt.religion.eckankar/_ct4rHPx-Qo/discussion
Grinding & Ruthless Change 2012 - Revisited
https://groups.google.com/d/topic/alt.religion.eckankar/GNRRowK8XfA/discussion
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"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and
conscientious stupidity." - Martin Luther King, Jr.
