Sunasu <--> Eckankar Connection

[m***@yahoo.com]

Some say there never was a connection between Eckankar
and the selling of Sunasu vitamins. Not so.

Darwin wrote a 1 page article called "Those Ten Fatty Rascals" which
appeared in the October 1976 ECK WORLD NEWS. There Darji gives some
general advice about potato chips and other foods to avoid; however,
the last 3rd of the piece is the Mahanta LEM's personal endorsement
of SUNASU nutritional products, and also his endorsement of the
Sunasu "financial opportunity."

In this article, Darwin segues from nutrional advice to remarks about
Paul
Twitchell's "research" in the writing of HERBS THE MAGIC HEALERS,
heralding to the Eck membership the great news that Paulji's
nutritional discoveries are available in a formula that anyone can
purchase: SUNASU vitamins and SUNASU protein powder.

Darwin goes on to say that "the product called Sunasu...in my
opinion, it's one of the finest food supplements...the sales program
that has been established, one can with the inner incentive to
support himself financially, as well as enjoying himself while
presenting the product. One finds that they don't have to sell it,
but present it. Properly presented it sells itself, and this was
Paul's original idea!" (EWN, Oct 76, pg. 5)

I remember reading all this in EWN when I was a gollywog eckist. I
think I'd already been turned onto Sunasu at that point, by an Eckist,
of course. How cool it was that the LEM was endoring the whole idea!
"Inner incentive." A little hint from the God man to his humble
readers that the Mahanta smiles on chelas who sell the Mahanta's pills
and powder.

Wonder how much Gail made from the SUNASU business. What an advantage
she had in markting her products to 50,000 true believers who were so
eager to use and sell products of Paul Twitchell's creation. What an
additional advantage in having her new husband, who happened to also
be a Living Eck Master, tout her products to the eck membership.

[sean]

LOL

Post by m***@yahoo.com
Some say there never was a connection between Eckankar
and the selling of Sunasu vitamins. Not so.
Darwin wrote a 1 page article called "Those Ten Fatty Rascals" which
appeared in the October 1976 ECK WORLD NEWS. There Darji gives some
general advice about potato chips and other foods to avoid; however,
the last 3rd of the piece is the Mahanta LEM's personal endorsement
of SUNASU nutritional products, and also his endorsement of the
Sunasu "financial opportunity."
In this article, Darwin segues from nutrional advice to remarks about
Paul
Twitchell's "research" in the writing of HERBS THE MAGIC HEALERS,
heralding to the Eck membership the great news that Paulji's
nutritional discoveries are available in a formula that anyone can
purchase: SUNASU vitamins and SUNASU protein powder.
Darwin goes on to say that "the product called Sunasu...in my
opinion, it's one of the finest food supplements...the sales program
that has been established, one can with the inner incentive to
support himself financially, as well as enjoying himself while
presenting the product. One finds that they don't have to sell it,
but present it. Properly presented it sells itself, and this was
Paul's original idea!" (EWN, Oct 76, pg. 5)
I remember reading all this in EWN when I was a gollywog eckist. I
think I'd already been turned onto Sunasu at that point, by an Eckist,
of course. How cool it was that the LEM was endoring the whole idea!
"Inner incentive." A little hint from the God man to his humble
readers that the Mahanta smiles on chelas who sell the Mahanta's pills
and powder.
Wonder how much Gail made from the SUNASU business. What an advantage
she had in markting her products to 50,000 true believers who were so
eager to use and sell products of Paul Twitchell's creation. What an
additional advantage in having her new husband, who happened to also
be a Living Eck Master, tout her products to the eck membership.

[Jadoo941]

LOL

False laughter is so off-putting. What's to laugh about? If you had the insight
of a worm you would quickly deduce that eckankar is ALL ABOUT THE MONEY. Don't
feel bad, every religion is all about the money.

Post by m***@yahoo.com
Some say there never was a connection between Eckankar
and the selling of Sunasu vitamins. Not so.
Darwin wrote a 1 page article called "Those Ten Fatty Rascals" which
appeared in the October 1976 ECK WORLD NEWS. There Darji gives some
general advice about potato chips and other foods to avoid; however,
the last 3rd of the piece is the Mahanta LEM's personal endorsement
of SUNASU nutritional products, and also his endorsement of the
Sunasu "financial opportunity."
In this article, Darwin segues from nutrional advice to remarks about
Paul
Twitchell's "research" in the writing of HERBS THE MAGIC HEALERS,
heralding to the Eck membership the great news that Paulji's
nutritional discoveries are available in a formula that anyone can
purchase: SUNASU vitamins and SUNASU protein powder.
Darwin goes on to say that "the product called Sunasu...in my
opinion, it's one of the finest food supplements...the sales program
that has been established, one can with the inner incentive to
support himself financially, as well as enjoying himself while
presenting the product. One finds that they don't have to sell it,
but present it. Properly presented it sells itself, and this was
Paul's original idea!" (EWN, Oct 76, pg. 5)
I remember reading all this in EWN when I was a gollywog eckist. I
think I'd already been turned onto Sunasu at that point, by an Eckist,
of course. How cool it was that the LEM was endoring the whole idea!
"Inner incentive." A little hint from the God man to his humble
readers that the Mahanta smiles on chelas who sell the Mahanta's pills
and powder.
Wonder how much Gail made from the SUNASU business. What an advantage
she had in markting her products to 50,000 true believers who were so
eager to use and sell products of Paul Twitchell's creation. What an
additional advantage in having her new husband, who happened to also
be a Living Eck Master, tout her products to the eck membership.

[cher]

Well it isn't associated with Eckankar anylonger and hasn't been since
Harold cleared the Temple. <wink> In fact, you can ask nathan what
happens to people who try to set up shop in Eckankar these days. <smile>
But I did notice that Sunasu is listed on the web. I wonder what kent
has to say about the vitimin mineral supplement or the other products
they offer through a wide variety of stores. What is the value of the
product now?

Post by Jadoo941

LOL

False laughter is so off-putting. What's to laugh about? If you had the insight
of a worm you would quickly deduce that eckankar is ALL ABOUT THE MONEY. Don't
feel bad, every religion is all about the money.

Post by m***@yahoo.com
Some say there never was a connection between Eckankar
and the selling of Sunasu vitamins. Not so.
Darwin wrote a 1 page article called "Those Ten Fatty Rascals" which
appeared in the October 1976 ECK WORLD NEWS. There Darji gives some
general advice about potato chips and other foods to avoid; however,
the last 3rd of the piece is the Mahanta LEM's personal endorsement
of SUNASU nutritional products, and also his endorsement of the
Sunasu "financial opportunity."
In this article, Darwin segues from nutrional advice to remarks about
Paul
Twitchell's "research" in the writing of HERBS THE MAGIC HEALERS,
heralding to the Eck membership the great news that Paulji's
nutritional discoveries are available in a formula that anyone can
purchase: SUNASU vitamins and SUNASU protein powder.
Darwin goes on to say that "the product called Sunasu...in my
opinion, it's one of the finest food supplements...the sales program
that has been established, one can with the inner incentive to
support himself financially, as well as enjoying himself while
presenting the product. One finds that they don't have to sell it,
but present it. Properly presented it sells itself, and this was
Paul's original idea!" (EWN, Oct 76, pg. 5)
I remember reading all this in EWN when I was a gollywog eckist. I
think I'd already been turned onto Sunasu at that point, by an Eckist,
of course. How cool it was that the LEM was endoring the whole idea!
"Inner incentive." A little hint from the God man to his humble
readers that the Mahanta smiles on chelas who sell the Mahanta's pills
and powder.
Wonder how much Gail made from the SUNASU business. What an advantage
she had in markting her products to 50,000 true believers who were so
eager to use and sell products of Paul Twitchell's creation. What an
additional advantage in having her new husband, who happened to also
be a Living Eck Master, tout her products to the eck membership.

[sean]

No false laughter Jaded-doo, real laughter, laughing out loud in fact.

I don't think I had pubic hair when this Sunasu thing was happening, and yet
here we are in 2004 and Joe is on the dead horse flogging duty again. You
don't see the humour in that huh?

oh well.

Post by Jadoo941

LOL

False laughter is so off-putting. What's to laugh about? If you had the insight
of a worm you would quickly deduce that eckankar is ALL ABOUT THE MONEY. Don't
feel bad, every religion is all about the money.

Post by m***@yahoo.com
Some say there never was a connection between Eckankar
and the selling of Sunasu vitamins. Not so.
Darwin wrote a 1 page article called "Those Ten Fatty Rascals" which
appeared in the October 1976 ECK WORLD NEWS. There Darji gives some
general advice about potato chips and other foods to avoid; however,
the last 3rd of the piece is the Mahanta LEM's personal endorsement
of SUNASU nutritional products, and also his endorsement of the
Sunasu "financial opportunity."
In this article, Darwin segues from nutrional advice to remarks about
Paul
Twitchell's "research" in the writing of HERBS THE MAGIC HEALERS,
heralding to the Eck membership the great news that Paulji's
nutritional discoveries are available in a formula that anyone can
purchase: SUNASU vitamins and SUNASU protein powder.
Darwin goes on to say that "the product called Sunasu...in my
opinion, it's one of the finest food supplements...the sales program
that has been established, one can with the inner incentive to
support himself financially, as well as enjoying himself while
presenting the product. One finds that they don't have to sell it,
but present it. Properly presented it sells itself, and this was
Paul's original idea!" (EWN, Oct 76, pg. 5)
I remember reading all this in EWN when I was a gollywog eckist. I
think I'd already been turned onto Sunasu at that point, by an Eckist,
of course. How cool it was that the LEM was endoring the whole idea!
"Inner incentive." A little hint from the God man to his humble
readers that the Mahanta smiles on chelas who sell the Mahanta's pills
and powder.
Wonder how much Gail made from the SUNASU business. What an advantage
she had in markting her products to 50,000 true believers who were so
eager to use and sell products of Paul Twitchell's creation. What an
additional advantage in having her new husband, who happened to also
be a Living Eck Master, tout her products to the eck membership.

[cher]

But Sean... it mattered to david lane! And if it mattered to david...
well, it's gospel! <smile>

Post by sean
No false laughter Jaded-doo, real laughter, laughing out loud in fact.
I don't think I had pubic hair when this Sunasu thing was happening, and yet
here we are in 2004 and Joe is on the dead horse flogging duty again. You
don't see the humour in that huh?
oh well.

Post by Jadoo941

LOL

False laughter is so off-putting. What's to laugh about? If you had the

insight

Post by Jadoo941
of a worm you would quickly deduce that eckankar is ALL ABOUT THE MONEY.

Don't

Post by Jadoo941
feel bad, every religion is all about the money.

Post by m***@yahoo.com
Some say there never was a connection between Eckankar
and the selling of Sunasu vitamins. Not so.
Darwin wrote a 1 page article called "Those Ten Fatty Rascals" which
appeared in the October 1976 ECK WORLD NEWS. There Darji gives some
general advice about potato chips and other foods to avoid; however,
the last 3rd of the piece is the Mahanta LEM's personal endorsement
of SUNASU nutritional products, and also his endorsement of the
Sunasu "financial opportunity."
In this article, Darwin segues from nutrional advice to remarks about
Paul
Twitchell's "research" in the writing of HERBS THE MAGIC HEALERS,
heralding to the Eck membership the great news that Paulji's
nutritional discoveries are available in a formula that anyone can
purchase: SUNASU vitamins and SUNASU protein powder.
Darwin goes on to say that "the product called Sunasu...in my
opinion, it's one of the finest food supplements...the sales program
that has been established, one can with the inner incentive to
support himself financially, as well as enjoying himself while
presenting the product. One finds that they don't have to sell it,
but present it. Properly presented it sells itself, and this was
Paul's original idea!" (EWN, Oct 76, pg. 5)
I remember reading all this in EWN when I was a gollywog eckist. I
think I'd already been turned onto Sunasu at that point, by an Eckist,
of course. How cool it was that the LEM was endoring the whole idea!
"Inner incentive." A little hint from the God man to his humble
readers that the Mahanta smiles on chelas who sell the Mahanta's pills
and powder.
Wonder how much Gail made from the SUNASU business. What an advantage
she had in markting her products to 50,000 true believers who were so
eager to use and sell products of Paul Twitchell's creation. What an
additional advantage in having her new husband, who happened to also
be a Living Eck Master, tout her products to the eck membership.

[m***@yahoo.com]

Sorry, but when this subject of Darwin and Sunasu was brought up
awhile ago here on a.r.e., an Eck Clergyman here said that Darwin
never promoted Sunasu products in an Eck publication.

I'm just setting the record straight, or at least offering some
evidence on the topic.

It's ok to just say OK, Sean. Saying OK is a good way to get past
these topics, rather than denying them...and when new evidence comes
in, saying you doubt the author is honest, asking for "scans" of the
text documents, or saying it's all dead horse.

"OK. Darwin did promote Sunasu vitamins on ECK World News." I can
say it and move on, if others can as well.

Post by sean
No false laughter Jaded-doo, real laughter, laughing out loud in fact.
I don't think I had pubic hair when this Sunasu thing was happening, and yet
here we are in 2004 and Joe is on the dead horse flogging duty again. You
don't see the humour in that huh?
oh well.

Post by Jadoo941

LOL

False laughter is so off-putting. What's to laugh about? If you had the

insight

Post by Jadoo941
of a worm you would quickly deduce that eckankar is ALL ABOUT THE MONEY.

Don't

Post by Jadoo941
feel bad, every religion is all about the money.

Post by m***@yahoo.com
Some say there never was a connection between Eckankar
and the selling of Sunasu vitamins. Not so.
Darwin wrote a 1 page article called "Those Ten Fatty Rascals" which
appeared in the October 1976 ECK WORLD NEWS. There Darji gives some
general advice about potato chips and other foods to avoid; however,
the last 3rd of the piece is the Mahanta LEM's personal endorsement
of SUNASU nutritional products, and also his endorsement of the
Sunasu "financial opportunity."
In this article, Darwin segues from nutrional advice to remarks about
Paul
Twitchell's "research" in the writing of HERBS THE MAGIC HEALERS,
heralding to the Eck membership the great news that Paulji's
nutritional discoveries are available in a formula that anyone can
purchase: SUNASU vitamins and SUNASU protein powder.
Darwin goes on to say that "the product called Sunasu...in my
opinion, it's one of the finest food supplements...the sales program
that has been established, one can with the inner incentive to
support himself financially, as well as enjoying himself while
presenting the product. One finds that they don't have to sell it,
but present it. Properly presented it sells itself, and this was
Paul's original idea!" (EWN, Oct 76, pg. 5)
I remember reading all this in EWN when I was a gollywog eckist. I
think I'd already been turned onto Sunasu at that point, by an Eckist,
of course. How cool it was that the LEM was endoring the whole idea!
"Inner incentive." A little hint from the God man to his humble
readers that the Mahanta smiles on chelas who sell the Mahanta's pills
and powder.
Wonder how much Gail made from the SUNASU business. What an advantage
she had in markting her products to 50,000 true believers who were so
eager to use and sell products of Paul Twitchell's creation. What an
additional advantage in having her new husband, who happened to also
be a Living Eck Master, tout her products to the eck membership.

[sean]

Post by m***@yahoo.com
Sorry, but when this subject of Darwin and Sunasu was brought up
awhile ago here on a.r.e., an Eck Clergyman here said that Darwin
never promoted Sunasu products in an Eck publication.

No big deal. Since when are Eck Clergyman supposed everything about what
Paul Twitchell did or said in his life as the Living ECK Master of his time
anyway?

So the guy was wrong. You're probably wrong about whether he was actually
clergy or not. There's HI's all over the place here and I only know of 2
Clergy and one of them is the RESA I think. Whatever.

Post by m***@yahoo.com
I'm just setting the record straight, or at least offering some
evidence on the topic.

Setting it straight to who? You already sort this 'eck clergy' he's striaght
now, so everything is ok yeah? ;-)

Post by m***@yahoo.com
It's ok to just say OK, Sean. Saying OK is a good way to get past
these topics, rather than denying them...and when new evidence comes
in, saying you doubt the author is honest, asking for "scans" of the
text documents, or saying it's all dead horse.

I wasn't here recently. Never knew Paul mentioning sunasu either happened or
was a problem for people. Personally, whether it happened or not has nothing
to do with me, I'm non-plussed either way. That's always been my attitude,
or maybe I'm re-writing history myself. <G>

So I'm not denying anything.

Post by m***@yahoo.com
"OK. Darwin did promote Sunasu vitamins on ECK World News." I can
say it and move on, if others can as well.

Yeah, sounds fine. What;'s the point?

What I was saying was the "sunasu" was around last millenniumm and here
again in 2004 it's still going around and around. and I call that flogging a
dead horse.

It's like pretending your protesting against nuclear weapons and complaining
about the colour of the paint they use on the missiles instead. imho at
least.

I'm just pointing it out that's all, don't shoot the messenger, by all means
carry on. And remember that I don't care about it in the least. That's all
I'm saying.

cheers

Post by m***@yahoo.com

Post by sean
No false laughter Jaded-doo, real laughter, laughing out loud in fact.
I don't think I had pubic hair when this Sunasu thing was happening, and yet
here we are in 2004 and Joe is on the dead horse flogging duty again. You
don't see the humour in that huh?
oh well.

Post by Jadoo941

LOL

False laughter is so off-putting. What's to laugh about? If you had the

insight

Post by Jadoo941
of a worm you would quickly deduce that eckankar is ALL ABOUT THE MONEY.

Don't

Post by Jadoo941
feel bad, every religion is all about the money.

Post by m***@yahoo.com
Some say there never was a connection between Eckankar
and the selling of Sunasu vitamins. Not so.
Darwin wrote a 1 page article called "Those Ten Fatty Rascals" which
appeared in the October 1976 ECK WORLD NEWS. There Darji gives some
general advice about potato chips and other foods to avoid; however,
the last 3rd of the piece is the Mahanta LEM's personal endorsement
of SUNASU nutritional products, and also his endorsement of the
Sunasu "financial opportunity."
In this article, Darwin segues from nutrional advice to remarks about
Paul
Twitchell's "research" in the writing of HERBS THE MAGIC HEALERS,
heralding to the Eck membership the great news that Paulji's
nutritional discoveries are available in a formula that anyone can
purchase: SUNASU vitamins and SUNASU protein powder.
Darwin goes on to say that "the product called Sunasu...in my
opinion, it's one of the finest food supplements...the sales program
that has been established, one can with the inner incentive to
support himself financially, as well as enjoying himself while
presenting the product. One finds that they don't have to sell it,
but present it. Properly presented it sells itself, and this was
Paul's original idea!" (EWN, Oct 76, pg. 5)
I remember reading all this in EWN when I was a gollywog eckist. I
think I'd already been turned onto Sunasu at that point, by an Eckist,
of course. How cool it was that the LEM was endoring the whole idea!
"Inner incentive." A little hint from the God man to his humble
readers that the Mahanta smiles on chelas who sell the Mahanta's pills
and powder.
Wonder how much Gail made from the SUNASU business. What an advantage
she had in markting her products to 50,000 true believers who were so
eager to use and sell products of Paul Twitchell's creation. What an
additional advantage in having her new husband, who happened to also
be a Living Eck Master, tout her products to the eck membership.

[C. Plachowitz]

Listen to no-name jadoo. He's another a.r.e. phoney who can't use his
real name. That in itself is enough to laugh about. Plachowitz

LOL

False laughter is so off-putting. What's to laugh about? ....<snip>....

[sugmad dream]

Post by m***@yahoo.com
Properly presented it sells itself, and this was
Paul's original idea!" (EWN, Oct 76, pg. 5)

This is not true. Dr. Bernard Jenson was the developer and creator of
the SUNASU. Paul stole the formula from him, after offering him a
piece of the pie. Dr. Bernard Jenson receive O\zero for his work with
Paul. Dr. Jenson doesn't even want to talk about it.

[cher]

And your proof? Do I see any proof to this claim of yours? What
relationship did these two men have?

Post by sugmad dream

Post by m***@yahoo.com
Properly presented it sells itself, and this was
Paul's original idea!" (EWN, Oct 76, pg. 5)

This is not true. Dr. Bernard Jenson was the developer and creator of
the SUNASU. Paul stole the formula from him, after offering him a
piece of the pie. Dr. Bernard Jenson receive O\zero for his work with
Paul. Dr. Jenson doesn't even want to talk about it.

[sugmad dream]

The reason is my naturopathic doctors father was very good friends
with Dr. Jensen and I just happen to talk to him about ekOmkar and he
told me that he had heard of Paul Twitchell and that his fathers good
friend Dr. Jensen had work to formulate SUNASU for Paul and that he
had not been paid a dime for his services and was very upset with
Paul. It seemed that Paul had offered Dr. Jensen a percent of the
profits for formulating the product, he never received anything for
his effort from Paul. Paul may have passed on before Sunasu started
being sold. <OWELL>

Post by cher
And your proof? Do I see any proof to this claim of yours? What
relationship did these two men have?

Post by sugmad dream

Post by m***@yahoo.com
Properly presented it sells itself, and this was
Paul's original idea!" (EWN, Oct 76, pg. 5)

This is not true. Dr. Bernard Jenson was the developer and creator of
the SUNASU. Paul stole the formula from him, after offering him a
piece of the pie. Dr. Bernard Jenson receive O\zero for his work with
Paul. Dr. Jenson doesn't even want to talk about it.

[cher]

Thanks for elaborating. Now... would I be rude if I said that this many
hands would kill a sighting of big foot? Or aliens? Sorry... I don't
mean to make light of what you shared here, it's just that in any other
area outside of the rumor mill of sects and cults this sort of story
doesn't hold up. Anyway... if you run across this doctor again... tell
him the product is still offered on line... just did a goggle search on
it.

Post by sugmad dream
The reason is my naturopathic doctors father was very good friends
with Dr. Jensen and I just happen to talk to him about ekOmkar and he
told me that he had heard of Paul Twitchell and that his fathers good
friend Dr. Jensen had work to formulate SUNASU for Paul and that he
had not been paid a dime for his services and was very upset with
Paul. It seemed that Paul had offered Dr. Jensen a percent of the
profits for formulating the product, he never received anything for
his effort from Paul. Paul may have passed on before Sunasu started
being sold. <OWELL>

Post by cher
And your proof? Do I see any proof to this claim of yours? What
relationship did these two men have?

Post by sugmad dream

Post by m***@yahoo.com
Properly presented it sells itself, and this was
Paul's original idea!" (EWN, Oct 76, pg. 5)

This is not true. Dr. Bernard Jenson was the developer and creator of
the SUNASU. Paul stole the formula from him, after offering him a
piece of the pie. Dr. Bernard Jenson receive O\zero for his work with
Paul. Dr. Jenson doesn't even want to talk about it.

[Jadoo941]

Post by sugmad dream

Post by m***@yahoo.com
Properly presented it sells itself, and this was
Paul's original idea!" (EWN, Oct 76, pg. 5)

This is not true. Dr. Bernard Jenson was the developer and creator of
the SUNASU. Paul stole the formula from him, after offering him a
piece of the pie. Dr. Bernard Jenson receive O\zero for his work with
Paul. Dr. Jenson doesn't even want to talk about it.

Let's see....as I travel back in my Way Back machine (much more reliable than
the Akashic Record) I see it was....Dr. Kurt Donsbach who was the 'brains'
behind the Sunasu formula. Do a google on him. I'm sure he's still kickin' it.
What I know for sure, 100%, is that Sunasu was married to Eckankar and it was
DEFINITELY about the money. Here you have a pool of thousands of eck klones
more than willing to sell the mahaunta's vitamins and to help themselves up the
ladder of initiations.

[arelurker]

Thanks Joe,

I wonder if Marman has an installement where he stands up to this
treachery of self serving endorsement of a product to a bunch of true
believers. I doubt it.

So far he's told stories of the power he felt in the room when Darwin
was there.

Lurk

P.S. Good to see your reasonable posts here. Eckists don't have much to
say about them except the usual personal attacks. Perhaps Marman, after
figuring out a response all week and concocting a story will come back
on a.r.e. and announce he was on a business trip and proceed to lay the
bullshit down.

Post by m***@yahoo.com
Some say there never was a connection between Eckankar
and the selling of Sunasu vitamins. Not so.
Darwin wrote a 1 page article called "Those Ten Fatty Rascals" which
appeared in the October 1976 ECK WORLD NEWS. There Darji gives some
general advice about potato chips and other foods to avoid; however,
the last 3rd of the piece is the Mahanta LEM's personal endorsement
of SUNASU nutritional products, and also his endorsement of the
Sunasu "financial opportunity."
In this article, Darwin segues from nutrional advice to remarks about
Paul
Twitchell's "research" in the writing of HERBS THE MAGIC HEALERS,
heralding to the Eck membership the great news that Paulji's
nutritional discoveries are available in a formula that anyone can
purchase: SUNASU vitamins and SUNASU protein powder.
Darwin goes on to say that "the product called Sunasu...in my
opinion, it's one of the finest food supplements...the sales program
that has been established, one can with the inner incentive to
support himself financially, as well as enjoying himself while
presenting the product. One finds that they don't have to sell it,
but present it. Properly presented it sells itself, and this was
Paul's original idea!" (EWN, Oct 76, pg. 5)
I remember reading all this in EWN when I was a gollywog eckist. I
think I'd already been turned onto Sunasu at that point, by an Eckist,
of course. How cool it was that the LEM was endoring the whole idea!
"Inner incentive." A little hint from the God man to his humble
readers that the Mahanta smiles on chelas who sell the Mahanta's pills
and powder.
Wonder how much Gail made from the SUNASU business. What an advantage
she had in markting her products to 50,000 true believers who were so
eager to use and sell products of Paul Twitchell's creation. What an
additional advantage in having her new husband, who happened to also
be a Living Eck Master, tout her products to the eck membership.

[Ken]

Post by arelurker
Thanks Joe,
I wonder if Marman has an installement where he stands up to this
treachery of self serving endorsement of a product to a bunch of true
believers. I doubt it.
So far he's told stories of the power he felt in the room when Darwin
was there.
Lurk
P.S. Good to see your reasonable posts here. Eckists don't have much to
say about them except the usual personal attacks. Perhaps Marman, after
figuring out a response all week and concocting a story will come back
on a.r.e. and announce he was on a business trip and proceed to lay the
bullshit down.

That's it! Eckists are fretting and stewing for days on end in order to
"figure out a response". Quite the picture you paint, Lurk. Do you
really think most here take these things so seriously?

[cher]

Post by Ken

Post by arelurker
Thanks Joe,
I wonder if Marman has an installement where he stands up to this
treachery of self serving endorsement of a product to a bunch of true
believers. I doubt it.
So far he's told stories of the power he felt in the room when Darwin
was there.
Lurk
P.S. Good to see your reasonable posts here. Eckists don't have much to
say about them except the usual personal attacks. Perhaps Marman, after
figuring out a response all week and concocting a story will come back
on a.r.e. and announce he was on a business trip and proceed to lay the
bullshit down.

That's it! Eckists are fretting and stewing for days on end in order to
"figure out a response". Quite the picture you paint, Lurk. Do you
really think most here take these things so seriously?

Narcissistic Personality Disorder comes to mind, ken. <smile> Check out:
http://www.mentalhealth.com/dis1/p21-pe07.html

[Jadoo941]

Post by cher
http://www.mentalhealth.com/dis1/p21-pe07.htm

Sounds EXACTLY like Paul Twitchell, Darwin Gross and Harold Klemp.

You can lead a horse to water...

[cher]

Post by Jadoo941

Post by cher
http://www.mentalhealth.com/dis1/p21-pe07.htm

Sounds EXACTLY like Paul Twitchell, Darwin Gross and Harold Klemp.
You can lead a horse to water...

Ah, but you can't make him face himself. I have no doubt that there are
some spiritual leaders that this diagnosis would fit. I disagree with
your statement here about neatly associating this with all the LEM's
from modern times, but that's my opinion. So do you see any of lurk in
this diagnosis? What about colleen? Or kent? How about joe? Are you
willing to concede that this is a diagnostic definition that can fit
anyone who has these traits? Or only those associated with Eckankar? And
if so, then why?

[Jadoo941]

Post by cher

Post by Jadoo941

Post by cher
http://www.mentalhealth.com/dis1/p21-pe07.htm

Sounds EXACTLY like Paul Twitchell, Darwin Gross and Harold Klemp.
You can lead a horse to water...

Ah, but you can't make him face himself. I have no doubt that there are
some spiritual leaders that this diagnosis would fit. I disagree with
your statement here about neatly associating this with all the LEM's
from modern times, but that's my opinion. So do you see any of lurk in
this diagnosis? What about colleen? Or kent? How about joe? Are you
willing to concede that this is a diagnostic definition that can fit
anyone who has these traits? Or only those associated with Eckankar? And
if so, then why?

If the following is not the ravings and ranting of a Narcissist, what is???

Post by cher
Found this in the archives. It is a direct quote from Harold in the March HI

Letter.

Post by cher
"When the Mahanta, the Living Eck Master suffers some illness it is his

choice. It demonstrates his love. It reflects the karma he's helping people and
nations
burn away. And so, the seekers among the masses will the sooner be purified.

Post by cher
Then they're ready for the Eck teachings."

End quote.

Post by cher
Mr. Klemp, you need professional help and have no business beinga spiritual
leader to anyone. You are not demonstating love, you are just lost in a
confused world of your own. It is unfortunate that fate somehow placed you
in a position to influence thousands of people who are looking for answers
to life's toughest questions. You're not competent to guide anyone. You
have no inner body that helps anyone. What you are doing is creating a state
of perverse dependency by posing as an indispensible intermediary between
God and humanity. This doesn't help people to grow spiritually, it just
entraps them in an imaginary relationship with a very flawed human being. What

you're doing is simply wrong.

Post by cher
I hope you read this Mr. Klemp, but I doubt you will. You've sheltered
yourself from most normal contacts with the outside world, you haven't had a

real

Post by cher
job for over 20 years while you played savior and superman to people who
deserve better. You talk about love through your own suffering but you can
only manage to attend 1 public event a year. Mr. Klemp, you can talk of
love all you want, but I don't think you demonstrate love. You demonstrate
indifference and disrespect for the people who look up to you. You're not
God and you have no relationship to God that's any different from anyone
else. You're just a sick man Mr. Klemp, made sicker still by the fantasy
you're playing out through the lives of others. You tell us that you're
purifying the world? Purify yourself, Mr. Klemp, follow your own advice,
but do so not by venting your frustrations and selfish ideas on those who
follow you as God. You have your own karma to deal with sir, leave other
people alone to live their lives without trying to mess their heads up with
your own unresolved neuroses.

reposted

[cher]

Post by Jadoo941

Post by cher

Post by Jadoo941

Post by cher
http://www.mentalhealth.com/dis1/p21-pe07.htm

Sounds EXACTLY like Paul Twitchell, Darwin Gross and Harold Klemp.
You can lead a horse to water...

Ah, but you can't make him face himself. I have no doubt that there are
some spiritual leaders that this diagnosis would fit. I disagree with
your statement here about neatly associating this with all the LEM's
from modern times, but that's my opinion. So do you see any of lurk in
this diagnosis? What about colleen? Or kent? How about joe? Are you
willing to concede that this is a diagnostic definition that can fit
anyone who has these traits? Or only those associated with Eckankar? And
if so, then why?

If the following is not the ravings and ranting of a Narcissist, what is???

Post by cher
Found this in the archives. It is a direct quote from Harold in the March HI

Letter.

Post by cher
"When the Mahanta, the Living Eck Master suffers some illness it is his

choice. It demonstrates his love. It reflects the karma he's helping people and
nations
burn away. And so, the seekers among the masses will the sooner be purified.

Post by cher
Then they're ready for the Eck teachings."

End quote.

No, it isn't the ravings of a a narcissist. Lurk is a good example of a
narcissist. joe is an even better example. Try again. <smile>

[m***@yahoo.com]

Post by arelurker
Thanks Joe,
I wonder if Marman has an installement where he stands up to this
treachery of self serving endorsement of a product to a bunch of true
believers. I doubt it.
So far he's told stories of the power he felt in the room when Darwin
was there.
Lurk
P.S. Good to see your reasonable posts here. Eckists don't have much to
say about them except the usual personal attacks. Perhaps Marman, after
figuring out a response all week and concocting a story will come back
on a.r.e. and announce he was on a business trip and proceed to lay the
bullshit down.

Well, Doug probably is on a biz trip. I doubt very much that he'll
deny any of the quotes I posted from EWN.

It is funny that one of the key agents of Eck revisionism made all
those "Darwin the mahanta" references back in the 70s.

I think a lot of Eckists here were shocked at those quotes. When they
ask you to scan it's a dead giveaway they are shocked. When will they
understand that Eckankar has been lying to them and we're just
reporting the evidence of those lies?

As far as Sunasu goes, it is true that Eckankar tried to downplay the
connection between Eckankar the religion and Sunasu the business.
However, it can never be denied that Gail used the Eck membership to
get Sunasu off the group, and that Darwin himself used an Eck
publication to promote Sunasu to Eckists worldwide.

Post by arelurker

Post by m***@yahoo.com
Some say there never was a connection between Eckankar
and the selling of Sunasu vitamins. Not so.
Darwin wrote a 1 page article called "Those Ten Fatty Rascals" which
appeared in the October 1976 ECK WORLD NEWS. There Darji gives some
general advice about potato chips and other foods to avoid; however,
the last 3rd of the piece is the Mahanta LEM's personal endorsement
of SUNASU nutritional products, and also his endorsement of the
Sunasu "financial opportunity."
In this article, Darwin segues from nutrional advice to remarks about
Paul
Twitchell's "research" in the writing of HERBS THE MAGIC HEALERS,
heralding to the Eck membership the great news that Paulji's
nutritional discoveries are available in a formula that anyone can
purchase: SUNASU vitamins and SUNASU protein powder.
Darwin goes on to say that "the product called Sunasu...in my
opinion, it's one of the finest food supplements...the sales program
that has been established, one can with the inner incentive to
support himself financially, as well as enjoying himself while
presenting the product. One finds that they don't have to sell it,
but present it. Properly presented it sells itself, and this was
Paul's original idea!" (EWN, Oct 76, pg. 5)
I remember reading all this in EWN when I was a gollywog eckist. I
think I'd already been turned onto Sunasu at that point, by an Eckist,
of course. How cool it was that the LEM was endoring the whole idea!
"Inner incentive." A little hint from the God man to his humble
readers that the Mahanta smiles on chelas who sell the Mahanta's pills
and powder.
Wonder how much Gail made from the SUNASU business. What an advantage
she had in markting her products to 50,000 true believers who were so
eager to use and sell products of Paul Twitchell's creation. What an
additional advantage in having her new husband, who happened to also
be a Living Eck Master, tout her products to the eck membership.

[cher]

Post by m***@yahoo.com
Well, Doug probably is on a biz trip. I doubt very much that he'll
deny any of the quotes I posted from EWN.
It is funny that one of the key agents of Eck revisionism made all
those "Darwin the mahanta" references back in the 70s.
I think a lot of Eckists here were shocked at those quotes. When they
ask you to scan it's a dead giveaway they are shocked. When will they
understand that Eckankar has been lying to them and we're just
reporting the evidence of those lies?
As far as Sunasu goes, it is true that Eckankar tried to downplay the
connection between Eckankar the religion and Sunasu the business.
However, it can never be denied that Gail used the Eck membership to
get Sunasu off the group, and that Darwin himself used an Eck
publication to promote Sunasu to Eckists worldwide.

Why would ECKists here be shocked by these quotes, joe? Most people
don't live in the past like you do. But we have you to keep us abreast
of what we said twnety + years ago, so no need to work on every little
word or detail. Darwin had a great deal to do with this sales project.
just like nathan, he's gone from the teachings. You wouldn't believe how
Harold has cleaned up the religion from this stuff. As i said, ask
nathan! I know you two are buddies these days. <smile>

[Ken]

Post by m***@yahoo.com

Post by arelurker
Thanks Joe,
I wonder if Marman has an installement where he stands up to this
treachery of self serving endorsement of a product to a bunch of true
believers. I doubt it.
So far he's told stories of the power he felt in the room when Darwin
was there.
Lurk
P.S. Good to see your reasonable posts here. Eckists don't have much to
say about them except the usual personal attacks. Perhaps Marman, after
figuring out a response all week and concocting a story will come back
on a.r.e. and announce he was on a business trip and proceed to lay the
bullshit down.

Well, Doug probably is on a biz trip. I doubt very much that he'll
deny any of the quotes I posted from EWN.
It is funny that one of the key agents of Eck revisionism made all
those "Darwin the mahanta" references back in the 70s.
I think a lot of Eckists here were shocked at those quotes. When they
ask you to scan it's a dead giveaway they are shocked. When will they
understand that Eckankar has been lying to them and we're just
reporting the evidence of those lies?

Not hardly shocked here. I think most people who've been around
Eckankar in the early to mid '80s are aware that Darwin was referred
to as the Mahanta. That Doug would do so isn't a big deal. He's been
pretty open with how he sees things now.

[m***@yahoo.com]

Post by Ken

Post by m***@yahoo.com

Post by arelurker
Thanks Joe,
I wonder if Marman has an installement where he stands up to this
treachery of self serving endorsement of a product to a bunch of true
believers. I doubt it.
So far he's told stories of the power he felt in the room when Darwin
was there.
Lurk
P.S. Good to see your reasonable posts here. Eckists don't have much to
say about them except the usual personal attacks. Perhaps Marman, after
figuring out a response all week and concocting a story will come back
on a.r.e. and announce he was on a business trip and proceed to lay the
bullshit down.

Well, Doug probably is on a biz trip. I doubt very much that he'll
deny any of the quotes I posted from EWN.
It is funny that one of the key agents of Eck revisionism made all
those "Darwin the mahanta" references back in the 70s.
I think a lot of Eckists here were shocked at those quotes. When they
ask you to scan it's a dead giveaway they are shocked. When will they
understand that Eckankar has been lying to them and we're just
reporting the evidence of those lies?

Not hardly shocked here. I think most people who've been around
Eckankar in the early to mid '80s are aware that Darwin was referred
to as the Mahanta. That Doug would do so isn't a big deal. He's been
pretty open with how he sees things now.

When and where, exactly, was Doug open about his public acceptance of
Darwin Gross as Mahanta?

Have you read Doug's book? Chapter 4 is where he gets into the Darwin
issue, and argues that Darwin was just an "interim" Master and not the
Mahanta.
http://www.littleknownpubs.com/Dialog_Ch_Four.htm

So what we have is this:

1) Doug writes a book that, in part, argues that Darwin was NOT the
real Mahanta and that Harold was.

2) We find several references in Eck World News where Doug lovingly
refers to Darwin Gross AS being the Mahanta.

Does Doug make any mention anywhere in his book, or on usenet, that he
did call Darwin "Mahanta," along with all the other Eck chelas of the
era?

Where?

[Ken]

Post by m***@yahoo.com

Post by Ken

Post by m***@yahoo.com

Post by arelurker
Thanks Joe,
I wonder if Marman has an installement where he stands up to this
treachery of self serving endorsement of a product to a bunch of true
believers. I doubt it.
So far he's told stories of the power he felt in the room when Darwin
was there.
Lurk
P.S. Good to see your reasonable posts here. Eckists don't have much to
say about them except the usual personal attacks. Perhaps Marman, after
figuring out a response all week and concocting a story will come back
on a.r.e. and announce he was on a business trip and proceed to lay the
bullshit down.

Well, Doug probably is on a biz trip. I doubt very much that he'll
deny any of the quotes I posted from EWN.
It is funny that one of the key agents of Eck revisionism made all
those "Darwin the mahanta" references back in the 70s.
I think a lot of Eckists here were shocked at those quotes. When they
ask you to scan it's a dead giveaway they are shocked. When will they
understand that Eckankar has been lying to them and we're just
reporting the evidence of those lies?

Not hardly shocked here. I think most people who've been around
Eckankar in the early to mid '80s are aware that Darwin was referred
to as the Mahanta. That Doug would do so isn't a big deal. He's been
pretty open with how he sees things now.

When and where, exactly, was Doug open about his public acceptance of
Darwin Gross as Mahanta?
Have you read Doug's book? Chapter 4 is where he gets into the Darwin
issue, and argues that Darwin was just an "interim" Master and not the
Mahanta.
http://www.littleknownpubs.com/Dialog_Ch_Four.htm
1) Doug writes a book that, in part, argues that Darwin was NOT the
real Mahanta and that Harold was.
2) We find several references in Eck World News where Doug lovingly
refers to Darwin Gross AS being the Mahanta.
Does Doug make any mention anywhere in his book, or on usenet, that he
did call Darwin "Mahanta," along with all the other Eck chelas of the
era?
Where?

What is this thing, that you call the "real Mahanta"?

[m***@yahoo.com]

Post by Ken

Post by m***@yahoo.com

Post by Ken

Post by m***@yahoo.com

Post by arelurker
Thanks Joe,
I wonder if Marman has an installement where he stands up to this
treachery of self serving endorsement of a product to a bunch of true
believers. I doubt it.
So far he's told stories of the power he felt in the room when Darwin
was there.
Lurk
P.S. Good to see your reasonable posts here. Eckists don't have much to
say about them except the usual personal attacks. Perhaps Marman, after
figuring out a response all week and concocting a story will come back
on a.r.e. and announce he was on a business trip and proceed to lay the
bullshit down.

Well, Doug probably is on a biz trip. I doubt very much that he'll
deny any of the quotes I posted from EWN.
It is funny that one of the key agents of Eck revisionism made all
those "Darwin the mahanta" references back in the 70s.
I think a lot of Eckists here were shocked at those quotes. When they
ask you to scan it's a dead giveaway they are shocked. When will they
understand that Eckankar has been lying to them and we're just
reporting the evidence of those lies?

Not hardly shocked here. I think most people who've been around
Eckankar in the early to mid '80s are aware that Darwin was referred
to as the Mahanta. That Doug would do so isn't a big deal. He's been
pretty open with how he sees things now.

When and where, exactly, was Doug open about his public acceptance of
Darwin Gross as Mahanta?
Have you read Doug's book? Chapter 4 is where he gets into the Darwin
issue, and argues that Darwin was just an "interim" Master and not the
Mahanta.
http://www.littleknownpubs.com/Dialog_Ch_Four.htm
1) Doug writes a book that, in part, argues that Darwin was NOT the
real Mahanta and that Harold was.
2) We find several references in Eck World News where Doug lovingly
refers to Darwin Gross AS being the Mahanta.
Does Doug make any mention anywhere in his book, or on usenet, that he
did call Darwin "Mahanta," along with all the other Eck chelas of the
era?
Where?

What is this thing, that you call the "real Mahanta"?

See chapter 4 of Doug's book.

I assume that the official eck view is that Darwin either was the real
Mahanta or he wasn't. Doug is better at explaining this kind of stuff
than I am.