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Digging Eckankar history
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Etznab
2022-01-17 21:38:37 UTC
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As far back as the 1970s some people knew about Paul Twitchell copying from other sources and making out that it constituted speech from Eck Masters. Namely, Rebazar Tarzs. The basic claim suggested there wasn't any plagiarism and the book allegedly plagiarized from was not copyrighted; Why does that even matter if there wasn't any plagiarism? Eckankar's lawyer asked in so many words: How do you know they didn't get it from Rebazar Tarzs?

Here's the problem. It wasn't simply one book that was copied from. No. It was multiple books and authors. And the copied, paraphrased and plagiarized texts made up pages and pages of speech claimed to come from Rebazar Tarzs and other Eck Masters.

IS THAT LIKE DISGUISING THE TRUE SOURCE?

Evidently it wasn't until around 1983 when the then leader of Eckankar (according to Doug Marman, who spoke with him about the subject of plagiarism, etc.) started finding his own "growing list"; after which Harold Klemp began giving a series of talks about the writings of Paul Twitchell and more.

Did anybody ever specifically ask publicly about How comes it that so many of Paul Twitchell's appropriated texts were credited to Rebazar Tarzs? Anybody who publicly got an answer from Harold Klemp?

Perhaps, as with those questioning Anthony Fauci, people should ask Harold Klemp about whether Rebazar Tarzs was a man-made creation? The process of which was somehow "disguised"?

Harold in the 80s admitted that Paul Twitchell "borrowed" from other writers, but did not (IMO) in plain words say that Rebazar Tarzs was a man-made creation that didn't / doesn't exist as a real, vital, actually living (or having lived) person.

In short, a method exists by which people can "create" individuals who don't exist in nature. And this can be done by taking what does exist in nature and "mixing" it with what does NOT; creating something novel in the process.

Not only man (and woman)-made individuals, but man (and woman)-made history as well. Such things that have inhabited and now inhabit pseudo history and religion. IOW, the method and process has existed for a long time and hasn't completely gone away.

Now How about those who question and dig for the truth; be it history of Eckankar or origin of COVID-19?

What is similar about organized "religions" and COVID-19 is that both have affected the lives of millions! Have affected people's freedom and liberty, and especially those who questioned and asked for the actual truth.

What happened / happens when people question the long-standing story and stories? IOW, those who did / do question authorities who spout pseudo history?

There is another thread, Can you dig it? And it looks at the dynamics of proving the truth as well as hiding the truth. Specifically as related to the origins of COVID-19. This thread - Digging Eckankar history - is maore about the origins of Eckankar and how IT was created.
Etznab
2022-01-17 21:52:14 UTC
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As far back as the 1970s some people knew about Paul Twitchell copying from other sources and making out that it constituted speech from Eck Masters. Namely, Rebazar Tarzs. The basic claim suggested there wasn't any plagiarism and the book allegedly plagiarized from was not copyrighted; Why does that even matter if there wasn't any plagiarism? Eckankar's lawyer asked in so many words: How do you know they didn't get it from Rebazar Tarzs?
Here's the problem. It wasn't simply one book that was copied from. No. It was multiple books and authors. And the copied, paraphrased and plagiarized texts made up pages and pages of speech claimed to come from Rebazar Tarzs and other Eck Masters.
IS THAT LIKE DISGUISING THE TRUE SOURCE?
Evidently it wasn't until around 1983 when the then leader of Eckankar (according to Doug Marman, who spoke with him about the subject of plagiarism, etc.) started finding his own "growing list"; after which Harold Klemp began giving a series of talks about the writings of Paul Twitchell and more.
Did anybody ever specifically ask publicly about How comes it that so many of Paul Twitchell's appropriated texts were credited to Rebazar Tarzs? Anybody who publicly got an answer from Harold Klemp?
Perhaps, as with those questioning Anthony Fauci, people should ask Harold Klemp about whether Rebazar Tarzs was a man-made creation? The process of which was somehow "disguised"?
Harold in the 80s admitted that Paul Twitchell "borrowed" from other writers, but did not (IMO) in plain words say that Rebazar Tarzs was a man-made creation that didn't / doesn't exist as a real, vital, actually living (or having lived) person.
In short, a method exists by which people can "create" individuals who don't exist in nature. And this can be done by taking what does exist in nature and "mixing" it with what does NOT; creating something novel in the process.
Not only man (and woman)-made individuals, but man (and woman)-made history as well. Such things that have inhabited and now inhabit pseudo history and religion. IOW, the method and process has existed for a long time and hasn't completely gone away.
Now How about those who question and dig for the truth; be it history of Eckankar or origin of COVID-19?
What is similar about organized "religions" and COVID-19 is that both have affected the lives of millions! Have affected people's freedom and liberty, and especially those who questioned and asked for the actual truth.
What happened / happens when people question the long-standing story and stories? IOW, those who did / do question authorities who spout pseudo history?
There is another thread, Can you dig it? And it looks at the dynamics of proving the truth as well as hiding the truth. Specifically as related to the origins of COVID-19. This thread - Digging Eckankar history - is maore about the origins of Eckankar and how IT was created.
"One Creator.
Truth is His name.
Doer of everything.
Fearless, Revengeless, Undying, Unborn, Self illumined
The Guru's gift, Meditate!5
True in the beginning.
True through all the ages.
True even now. Oh Nanak it is forever true."

https://lyricstranslate.com/en/mul-mantra-root-mantra.html

Another, more modern spelling for Ek ong kaar, is Ekankar. And whether you spell it Ekankar or Eckankar, the latter dominates the Internet today. IOW, Ekankar has been eclipsed by Eckankar; generally speaking. For example:

https://groups.google.com/g/alt.religion.eckankar/c/J3imZeZxDoc/m/qUKGtmugRnsJ
wernertrp
2022-01-18 15:58:07 UTC
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Post by Etznab
As far back as the 1970s some people knew about Paul Twitchell copying from other sources and making out that it constituted speech from Eck Masters. Namely, Rebazar Tarzs. The basic claim suggested there wasn't any plagiarism and the book allegedly plagiarized from was not copyrighted; Why does that even matter if there wasn't any plagiarism? Eckankar's lawyer asked in so many words: How do you know they didn't get it from Rebazar Tarzs?
Here's the problem. It wasn't simply one book that was copied from. No. It was multiple books and authors. And the copied, paraphrased and plagiarized texts made up pages and pages of speech claimed to come from Rebazar Tarzs and other Eck Masters.
IS THAT LIKE DISGUISING THE TRUE SOURCE?
Evidently it wasn't until around 1983 when the then leader of Eckankar (according to Doug Marman, who spoke with him about the subject of plagiarism, etc.) started finding his own "growing list"; after which Harold Klemp began giving a series of talks about the writings of Paul Twitchell and more.
Did anybody ever specifically ask publicly about How comes it that so many of Paul Twitchell's appropriated texts were credited to Rebazar Tarzs? Anybody who publicly got an answer from Harold Klemp?
Perhaps, as with those questioning Anthony Fauci, people should ask Harold Klemp about whether Rebazar Tarzs was a man-made creation? The process of which was somehow "disguised"?
Harold in the 80s admitted that Paul Twitchell "borrowed" from other writers, but did not (IMO) in plain words say that Rebazar Tarzs was a man-made creation that didn't / doesn't exist as a real, vital, actually living (or having lived) person.
In short, a method exists by which people can "create" individuals who don't exist in nature. And this can be done by taking what does exist in nature and "mixing" it with what does NOT; creating something novel in the process.
Not only man (and woman)-made individuals, but man (and woman)-made history as well. Such things that have inhabited and now inhabit pseudo history and religion. IOW, the method and process has existed for a long time and hasn't completely gone away.
Now How about those who question and dig for the truth; be it history of Eckankar or origin of COVID-19?
What is similar about organized "religions" and COVID-19 is that both have affected the lives of millions! Have affected people's freedom and liberty, and especially those who questioned and asked for the actual truth.
What happened / happens when people question the long-standing story and stories? IOW, those who did / do question authorities who spout pseudo history?
There is another thread, Can you dig it? And it looks at the dynamics of proving the truth as well as hiding the truth. Specifically as related to the origins of COVID-19. This thread - Digging Eckankar history - is maore about the origins of Eckankar and how IT was created.
"One Creator.
Truth is His name.
Doer of everything.
Fearless, Revengeless, Undying, Unborn, Self illumined
The Guru's gift, Meditate!5
True in the beginning.
True through all the ages.
True even now. Oh Nanak it is forever true."
https://lyricstranslate.com/en/mul-mantra-root-mantra.html
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.religion.eckankar/c/J3imZeZxDoc/m/qUKGtmugRnsJ
a typical German speaking is: ekanar.
This is the speaking when a German hear the first time in his life the word ECKankar
Etznab
2022-01-19 02:39:41 UTC
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As far back as the 1970s some people knew about Paul Twitchell copying from other sources and making out that it constituted speech from Eck Masters. Namely, Rebazar Tarzs. The basic claim suggested there wasn't any plagiarism and the book allegedly plagiarized from was not copyrighted; Why does that even matter if there wasn't any plagiarism? Eckankar's lawyer asked in so many words: How do you know they didn't get it from Rebazar Tarzs?
Here's the problem. It wasn't simply one book that was copied from. No. It was multiple books and authors. And the copied, paraphrased and plagiarized texts made up pages and pages of speech claimed to come from Rebazar Tarzs and other Eck Masters.
IS THAT LIKE DISGUISING THE TRUE SOURCE?
Evidently it wasn't until around 1983 when the then leader of Eckankar (according to Doug Marman, who spoke with him about the subject of plagiarism, etc.) started finding his own "growing list"; after which Harold Klemp began giving a series of talks about the writings of Paul Twitchell and more.
Did anybody ever specifically ask publicly about How comes it that so many of Paul Twitchell's appropriated texts were credited to Rebazar Tarzs? Anybody who publicly got an answer from Harold Klemp?
Perhaps, as with those questioning Anthony Fauci, people should ask Harold Klemp about whether Rebazar Tarzs was a man-made creation? The process of which was somehow "disguised"?
Harold in the 80s admitted that Paul Twitchell "borrowed" from other writers, but did not (IMO) in plain words say that Rebazar Tarzs was a man-made creation that didn't / doesn't exist as a real, vital, actually living (or having lived) person.
In short, a method exists by which people can "create" individuals who don't exist in nature. And this can be done by taking what does exist in nature and "mixing" it with what does NOT; creating something novel in the process.
Not only man (and woman)-made individuals, but man (and woman)-made history as well. Such things that have inhabited and now inhabit pseudo history and religion. IOW, the method and process has existed for a long time and hasn't completely gone away.
Now How about those who question and dig for the truth; be it history of Eckankar or origin of COVID-19?
What is similar about organized "religions" and COVID-19 is that both have affected the lives of millions! Have affected people's freedom and liberty, and especially those who questioned and asked for the actual truth.
What happened / happens when people question the long-standing story and stories? IOW, those who did / do question authorities who spout pseudo history?
There is another thread, Can you dig it? And it looks at the dynamics of proving the truth as well as hiding the truth. Specifically as related to the origins of COVID-19. This thread - Digging Eckankar history - is maore about the origins of Eckankar and how IT was created.
"One Creator.
Truth is His name.
Doer of everything.
Fearless, Revengeless, Undying, Unborn, Self illumined
The Guru's gift, Meditate!5
True in the beginning.
True through all the ages.
True even now. Oh Nanak it is forever true."
https://lyricstranslate.com/en/mul-mantra-root-mantra.html
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.religion.eckankar/c/J3imZeZxDoc/m/qUKGtmugRnsJ
a typical German speaking is: ekanar.
This is the speaking when a German hear the first time in his life the word ECKankar
This is also common in America. I've heard a lot of people mispronounce it that way.
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