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Etznab
2021-08-16 14:15:45 UTC
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Etznab
2021-08-16 15:18:11 UTC
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http://youtu.be/VhoLclnwrOw
So there was talk @ around 41:16 about the spike protein used to develop the vaccine functioning as more than just an antigen. About the blood-brain barrier and spike being cytotoxic.

Just another case about what is known now being different from what was allegedly known then; when they first created the product.

With Eckankar history, a lot about what is known now was not necessarily known then; when it was created. I think this brings up a most important question. Why are people so slow to update the narrative after new information is learned? After all, isn't that the natural result of learning?

With Eckankar history / dogma, etc., and to some extent with the COVID-19 vaccines history, I suspect people were / are slow to change the narrative for one main reason. That they don't want to change the first impression of the product.

Prophetically speaking, Paul Twitchell said something about "impressions" just before he died. Something about having the impressions changing over time. Additionally Harold Klemp, way back in the decades following Paul's death acknowledged that something had to be done about Paul's writings. So it seems like both Paul and Harold mentioned changing impressions. Doug Marman too, btw.

So then why does it take so long for companies to come right out and "update" the knowledge of their products? And here it is again. I suspect that with Eckankar and with mRNA vaccines alike, the former impressions look favorable for the companies and it is hard for them to break from tradition. It simply looks like they can't handle the truth.
wernertrp
2021-08-16 15:19:02 UTC
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@ 31:17 about A.D.E. Antibody Dependent Enhancement
http://youtu.be/VhoLclnwrOw
Ärzte sind kleine Teufel.
Adolf war ein mittlerer Teufel.

der Große Teufel kommt erst noch.
Etznab
2021-08-16 15:30:51 UTC
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@ 31:17 about A.D.E. Antibody Dependent Enhancement
http://youtu.be/VhoLclnwrOw
Ärzte sind kleine Teufel.
Adolf war ein mittlerer Teufel.
der Große Teufel kommt erst noch.
There is a lot of money involved. And sometimes companies "cut corners" in order to sell a product. The companies also have a lot of money for lawyers and to avoid liability for wrongdoing.

One could say it is clear as day that Paul Twitchell and Eckankar sold a compromised product (one that compromised the truth) and yet after all these years some people are still saying "So what?" "What does it really matter?" And some people are still attacking those who care to talk about it. Just ask J.R., Kinpa, Fife, etc. Ask them why they can't handle the truth? or can't handle hearing about the truth? Probably all you will get for an answer is feigned ignorance. Or else display of someone who looks unbalanced, or tries to make everything to be some sick joke.
fife
2021-08-16 18:52:28 UTC
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@ 31:17 about A.D.E. Antibody Dependent Enhancement
http://youtu.be/VhoLclnwrOw
Ärzte sind kleine Teufel.
Adolf war ein mittlerer Teufel.
der Große Teufel kommt erst noch.
There is a lot of money involved. And sometimes companies "cut corners" in order to sell a product. The companies also have a lot of money for lawyers and to avoid liability for wrongdoing.
One could say it is clear as day that Paul Twitchell and Eckankar sold a compromised product (one that compromised the truth) and yet after all these years some people are still saying "So what?" "What does it really matter?" And some people are still attacking those who care to talk about it. Just ask J.R., Kinpa, Fife, etc. Ask them why they can't handle the truth? or can't handle hearing about the truth? Probably all you will get for an answer is feigned ignorance. Or else display of someone who looks unbalanced, or tries to make everything to be some sick joke.
No Richard. You're just another half-wit Eckankar hanger-on who wants things his way.
fife
2021-08-16 19:33:48 UTC
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http://youtu.be/VhoLclnwrOw
Ärzte sind kleine Teufel.
Adolf war ein mittlerer Teufel.
der Große Teufel kommt erst noch.
There is a lot of money involved. And sometimes companies "cut corners" in order to sell a product. The companies also have a lot of money for lawyers and to avoid liability for wrongdoing.
One could say it is clear as day that Paul Twitchell and Eckankar sold a compromised product (one that compromised the truth) and yet after all these years some people are still saying "So what?" "What does it really matter?" And some people are still attacking those who care to talk about it. Just ask J.R., Kinpa, Fife, etc. Ask them why they can't handle the truth? or can't handle hearing about the truth? Probably all you will get for an answer is feigned ignorance. Or else display of someone who looks unbalanced, or tries to make everything to be some sick joke.
No Richard. You're just another half-wit Eckankar hanger-on who wants things his way.
No one on this page doesn't agree that Eckankar is loaded with false claims, false fronts, and false leads, including me. You accomplish nothing and make a jackass of yourself by continuing to claim you're a victim. Burn down all the false claims and all you get is ashes which you've been sifting through for ten years or more. Where's the truth? You haven't found it yet. All you've found are the lies. If you're a victim, you're a victim of you're own stupidity, my friend.
wernertrp
2021-08-17 08:06:18 UTC
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http://youtu.be/VhoLclnwrOw
Ärzte sind kleine Teufel.
Adolf war ein mittlerer Teufel.
der Große Teufel kommt erst noch.
There is a lot of money involved. And sometimes companies "cut corners" in order to sell a product. The companies also have a lot of money for lawyers and to avoid liability for wrongdoing.
One could say it is clear as day that Paul Twitchell and Eckankar sold a compromised product (one that compromised the truth) and yet after all these years some people are still saying "So what?" "What does it really matter?" And some people are still attacking those who care to talk about it. Just ask J.R., Kinpa, Fife, etc. Ask them why they can't handle the truth? or can't handle hearing about the truth? Probably all you will get for an answer is feigned ignorance. Or else display of someone who looks unbalanced, or tries to make everything to be some sick joke.
No Richard. You're just another half-wit Eckankar hanger-on who wants things his way.
No one on this page doesn't agree that Eckankar is loaded with false claims, false fronts, and false leads, including me. You accomplish nothing and make a jackass of yourself by continuing to claim you're a victim. Burn down all the false claims and all you get is ashes which you've been sifting through for ten years or more. Where's the truth? You haven't found it yet. All you've found are the lies. If you're a victim, you're a victim of you're own stupidity, my friend.
Etznab hält die Stellung.
Etznab
2021-09-06 21:20:57 UTC
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Ärzte sind kleine Teufel.
Adolf war ein mittlerer Teufel.
der Große Teufel kommt erst noch.
There is a lot of money involved. And sometimes companies "cut corners" in order to sell a product. The companies also have a lot of money for lawyers and to avoid liability for wrongdoing.
One could say it is clear as day that Paul Twitchell and Eckankar sold a compromised product (one that compromised the truth) and yet after all these years some people are still saying "So what?" "What does it really matter?" And some people are still attacking those who care to talk about it. Just ask J.R., Kinpa, Fife, etc. Ask them why they can't handle the truth? or can't handle hearing about the truth? Probably all you will get for an answer is feigned ignorance. Or else display of someone who looks unbalanced, or tries to make everything to be some sick joke.
No Richard. You're just another half-wit Eckankar hanger-on who wants things his way.
No one on this page doesn't agree that Eckankar is loaded with false claims, false fronts, and false leads, including me. You accomplish nothing and make a jackass of yourself by continuing to claim you're a victim. Burn down all the false claims and all you get is ashes which you've been sifting through for ten years or more. Where's the truth? You haven't found it yet. All you've found are the lies. If you're a victim, you're a victim of you're own stupidity, my friend.
Etznab hält die Stellung.
Evidently they had a SARS vaccine more than 10 years ago, but it didn't receive enough funding to become a vaccine. This guy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Hotez

suggests nobody was interested in funding coronavirus vaccines back then. However, there were other things he said that I found extremely telling. For example, they found some "immune enhancement" problems with their earlier efforts. Sound familiar?

1:21



So maybe this was why they eventually decided to use just a small portion of the coronavirus (the spike protein) to make the current vaccines? To prevent immune enhancement?

There was something else. Listen very carefully from 0:57 and listen for the word paradoxical.

My own impression was that they really didn't understand it, but that a problem can arise when the human body encounters two sets of "instructions" about how to fend off a virus. Those from natural immunity and those preprogrammed into the human body via an m-RNA engineered vaccine.
Etznab
2021-09-06 21:30:29 UTC
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Ärzte sind kleine Teufel.
Adolf war ein mittlerer Teufel.
der Große Teufel kommt erst noch.
There is a lot of money involved. And sometimes companies "cut corners" in order to sell a product. The companies also have a lot of money for lawyers and to avoid liability for wrongdoing.
One could say it is clear as day that Paul Twitchell and Eckankar sold a compromised product (one that compromised the truth) and yet after all these years some people are still saying "So what?" "What does it really matter?" And some people are still attacking those who care to talk about it. Just ask J.R., Kinpa, Fife, etc. Ask them why they can't handle the truth? or can't handle hearing about the truth? Probably all you will get for an answer is feigned ignorance. Or else display of someone who looks unbalanced, or tries to make everything to be some sick joke.
No Richard. You're just another half-wit Eckankar hanger-on who wants things his way.
No one on this page doesn't agree that Eckankar is loaded with false claims, false fronts, and false leads, including me. You accomplish nothing and make a jackass of yourself by continuing to claim you're a victim. Burn down all the false claims and all you get is ashes which you've been sifting through for ten years or more. Where's the truth? You haven't found it yet. All you've found are the lies. If you're a victim, you're a victim of you're own stupidity, my friend.
Etznab hält die Stellung.
Evidently they had a SARS vaccine more than 10 years ago, but it didn't receive enough funding to become a vaccine. This guy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Hotez
suggests nobody was interested in funding coronavirus vaccines back then. However, there were other things he said that I found extremely telling. For example, they found some "immune enhancement" problems with their earlier efforts. Sound familiar?
1:21
http://youtu.be/0IV-FXRttdI
So maybe this was why they eventually decided to use just a small portion of the coronavirus (the spike protein) to make the current vaccines? To prevent immune enhancement?
There was something else. Listen very carefully from 0:57 and listen for the word paradoxical.
My own impression was that they really didn't understand it, but that a problem can arise when the human body encounters two sets of "instructions" about how to fend off a virus. Those from natural immunity and those preprogrammed into the human body via an m-RNA engineered vaccine.
My guess is that the virus is ultimately over time learning to exploit the man-made attempts to stop it and subsequently becoming stronger, which renders the vaccines over time less effective. And giving more and more of the exploitable vaccine will not in the long run make the situation better, but will ultimately make it worse as the virus learns to mutate and become even stronger.

Listen to what this woman is talking about from about 0:57.


Etznab
2021-09-06 21:41:55 UTC
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Ärzte sind kleine Teufel.
Adolf war ein mittlerer Teufel.
der Große Teufel kommt erst noch.
There is a lot of money involved. And sometimes companies "cut corners" in order to sell a product. The companies also have a lot of money for lawyers and to avoid liability for wrongdoing.
One could say it is clear as day that Paul Twitchell and Eckankar sold a compromised product (one that compromised the truth) and yet after all these years some people are still saying "So what?" "What does it really matter?" And some people are still attacking those who care to talk about it. Just ask J.R., Kinpa, Fife, etc. Ask them why they can't handle the truth? or can't handle hearing about the truth? Probably all you will get for an answer is feigned ignorance. Or else display of someone who looks unbalanced, or tries to make everything to be some sick joke.
No Richard. You're just another half-wit Eckankar hanger-on who wants things his way.
No one on this page doesn't agree that Eckankar is loaded with false claims, false fronts, and false leads, including me. You accomplish nothing and make a jackass of yourself by continuing to claim you're a victim. Burn down all the false claims and all you get is ashes which you've been sifting through for ten years or more. Where's the truth? You haven't found it yet. All you've found are the lies. If you're a victim, you're a victim of you're own stupidity, my friend.
Etznab hält die Stellung.
Evidently they had a SARS vaccine more than 10 years ago, but it didn't receive enough funding to become a vaccine. This guy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Hotez
suggests nobody was interested in funding coronavirus vaccines back then. However, there were other things he said that I found extremely telling. For example, they found some "immune enhancement" problems with their earlier efforts. Sound familiar?
1:21
http://youtu.be/0IV-FXRttdI
So maybe this was why they eventually decided to use just a small portion of the coronavirus (the spike protein) to make the current vaccines? To prevent immune enhancement?
There was something else. Listen very carefully from 0:57 and listen for the word paradoxical.
My own impression was that they really didn't understand it, but that a problem can arise when the human body encounters two sets of "instructions" about how to fend off a virus. Those from natural immunity and those preprogrammed into the human body via an m-RNA engineered vaccine.
My guess is that the virus is ultimately over time learning to exploit the man-made attempts to stop it and subsequently becoming stronger, which renders the vaccines over time less effective. And giving more and more of the exploitable vaccine will not in the long run make the situation better, but will ultimately make it worse as the virus learns to mutate and become even stronger.

Listen to what this woman is talking about from about 0:39.

http://youtu.be/jnpAc-quMAQ
Henosis Sage
2021-09-07 08:28:35 UTC
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http://youtu.be/VhoLclnwrOw
Ärzte sind kleine Teufel.
Adolf war ein mittlerer Teufel.
der Große Teufel kommt erst noch.
There is a lot of money involved. And sometimes companies "cut corners" in order to sell a product. The companies also have a lot of money for lawyers and to avoid liability for wrongdoing.
One could say it is clear as day that Paul Twitchell and Eckankar sold a compromised product (one that compromised the truth) and yet after all these years some people are still saying "So what?" "What does it really matter?" And some people are still attacking those who care to talk about it. Just ask J.R., Kinpa, Fife, etc. Ask them why they can't handle the truth? or can't handle hearing about the truth? Probably all you will get for an answer is feigned ignorance. Or else display of someone who looks unbalanced, or tries to make everything to be some sick joke.
No Richard. You're just another half-wit Eckankar hanger-on who wants things his way.
No one on this page doesn't agree that Eckankar is loaded with false claims, false fronts, and false leads, including me. You accomplish nothing and make a jackass of yourself by continuing to claim you're a victim. Burn down all the false claims and all you get is ashes which you've been sifting through for ten years or more. Where's the truth? You haven't found it yet. All you've found are the lies. If you're a victim, you're a victim of you're own stupidity, my friend.
Etznab hält die Stellung.
Evidently they had a SARS vaccine more than 10 years ago, but it didn't receive enough funding to become a vaccine. This guy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Hotez
suggests nobody was interested in funding coronavirus vaccines back then. However, there were other things he said that I found extremely telling. For example, they found some "immune enhancement" problems with their earlier efforts. Sound familiar?
1:21
http://youtu.be/0IV-FXRttdI
So maybe this was why they eventually decided to use just a small portion of the coronavirus (the spike protein) to make the current vaccines? To prevent immune enhancement?
There was something else. Listen very carefully from 0:57 and listen for the word paradoxical.
My own impression was that they really didn't understand it, but that a problem can arise when the human body encounters two sets of "instructions" about how to fend off a virus. Those from natural immunity and those preprogrammed into the human body via an m-RNA engineered vaccine.
My guess is that the virus is ultimately over time learning to exploit the man-made attempts to stop it and subsequently becoming stronger, which renders the vaccines over time less effective. And giving more and more of the exploitable vaccine will not in the long run make the situation better, but will ultimately make it worse as the virus learns to mutate and become even stronger.
Listen to what this woman is talking about from about 0:39.
http://youtu.be/jnpAc-quMAQ
here's a good news story .... re science vs social media ... while my usual disclaimers on science is not 100% perfect far from it, remains.

As a virologist I’m shocked my work has been hijacked by anti-vaxxers
David LV Bauer

A news interview I did was re-edited and misquoted by online conspiracy theorists. My advice is: get the vaccine

David LV Bauer is head of the RNA virus replication laboratory at the Francis Crick Institute in London
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/sep/07/virologist-work-anti-vaxxers-covid

what i liked about this is how he goes about explaining what happened.
plus several good research facts along the way like:
A clever aspect of the videos is that they start with a trace of plausibility before veering into the implausible. In our research we did find that antibodies generated by the vaccine neutralise the Delta variant six times less well than they did the original strain in the lab.
But it’s far better to have some antibodies than none at all – a fact borne out by the vaccine’s continued success in preventing severe disease and death worldwide.
-- his opinion that is.
---

of course, long term who knows what may arise?
its still individual choice imo.
Tisra Til
2021-09-08 16:43:58 UTC
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http://youtu.be/VhoLclnwrOw
Ärzte sind kleine Teufel.
Adolf war ein mittlerer Teufel.
der Große Teufel kommt erst noch.
There is a lot of money involved. And sometimes companies "cut corners" in order to sell a product. The companies also have a lot of money for lawyers and to avoid liability for wrongdoing.
One could say it is clear as day that Paul Twitchell and Eckankar sold a compromised product (one that compromised the truth) and yet after all these years some people are still saying "So what?" "What does it really matter?" And some people are still attacking those who care to talk about it. Just ask J.R., Kinpa, Fife, etc. Ask them why they can't handle the truth? or can't handle hearing about the truth? Probably all you will get for an answer is feigned ignorance. Or else display of someone who looks unbalanced, or tries to make everything to be some sick joke.
No Richard. You're just another half-wit Eckankar hanger-on who wants things his way.
No one on this page doesn't agree that Eckankar is loaded with false claims, false fronts, and false leads, including me. You accomplish nothing and make a jackass of yourself by continuing to claim you're a victim. Burn down all the false claims and all you get is ashes which you've been sifting through for ten years or more. Where's the truth? You haven't found it yet. All you've found are the lies. If you're a victim, you're a victim of you're own stupidity, my friend.
Etznab hält die Stellung.
Evidently they had a SARS vaccine more than 10 years ago, but it didn't receive enough funding to become a vaccine. This guy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Hotez
suggests nobody was interested in funding coronavirus vaccines back then. However, there were other things he said that I found extremely telling. For example, they found some "immune enhancement" problems with their earlier efforts. Sound familiar?
1:21
http://youtu.be/0IV-FXRttdI
So maybe this was why they eventually decided to use just a small portion of the coronavirus (the spike protein) to make the current vaccines? To prevent immune enhancement?
There was something else. Listen very carefully from 0:57 and listen for the word paradoxical.
My own impression was that they really didn't understand it, but that a problem can arise when the human body encounters two sets of "instructions" about how to fend off a virus. Those from natural immunity and those preprogrammed into the human body via an m-RNA engineered vaccine.
My guess is that the virus is ultimately over time learning to exploit the man-made attempts to stop it and subsequently becoming stronger, which renders the vaccines over time less effective. And giving more and more of the exploitable vaccine will not in the long run make the situation better, but will ultimately make it worse as the virus learns to mutate and become even stronger.
Listen to what this woman is talking about from about 0:39.
http://youtu.be/jnpAc-quMAQ
here's a good news story .... re science vs social media ... while my usual disclaimers on science is not 100% perfect far from it, remains.
As a virologist I’m shocked my work has been hijacked by anti-vaxxers
David LV Bauer
A news interview I did was re-edited and misquoted by online conspiracy theorists. My advice is: get the vaccine
David LV Bauer is head of the RNA virus replication laboratory at the Francis Crick Institute in London
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/sep/07/virologist-work-anti-vaxxers-covid
what i liked about this is how he goes about explaining what happened.
A clever aspect of the videos is that they start with a trace of plausibility before veering into the implausible. In our research we did find that antibodies generated by the vaccine neutralise the Delta variant six times less well than they did the original strain in the lab.
But it’s far better to have some antibodies than none at all – a fact borne out by the vaccine’s continued success in preventing severe disease and death worldwide.
-- his opinion that is.
---
of course, long term who knows what may arise?
its still individual choice imo.
From article:

Like the virus itself, the videos seemed to be mutating and spreading, with new, more virulent variants catching on online.

Yeah, right. LOLOL Unlike what the governments of the world have been spewing 24/7, 365 for the last year and a half. Always another boogie man lurking in the shadows, mutating and replicating and spreading like a ..... mmmm, what am I thinking of ..... Oh, yeah. like a virus. (smh)
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2021-10-02 20:44:27 UTC
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http://youtu.be/VhoLclnwrOw
Ärzte sind kleine Teufel.
Adolf war ein mittlerer Teufel.
der Große Teufel kommt erst noch.
There is a lot of money involved. And sometimes companies "cut corners" in order to sell a product. The companies also have a lot of money for lawyers and to avoid liability for wrongdoing.
One could say it is clear as day that Paul Twitchell and Eckankar sold a compromised product (one that compromised the truth) and yet after all these years some people are still saying "So what?" "What does it really matter?" And some people are still attacking those who care to talk about it. Just ask J.R., Kinpa, Fife, etc. Ask them why they can't handle the truth? or can't handle hearing about the truth? Probably all you will get for an answer is feigned ignorance. Or else display of someone who looks unbalanced, or tries to make everything to be some sick joke.
No Richard. You're just another half-wit Eckankar hanger-on who wants things his way.
No one on this page doesn't agree that Eckankar is loaded with false claims, false fronts, and false leads, including me. You accomplish nothing and make a jackass of yourself by continuing to claim you're a victim. Burn down all the false claims and all you get is ashes which you've been sifting through for ten years or more. Where's the truth? You haven't found it yet. All you've found are the lies. If you're a victim, you're a victim of you're own stupidity, my friend.
Etznab hält die Stellung.
Evidently they had a SARS vaccine more than 10 years ago, but it didn't receive enough funding to become a vaccine. This guy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Hotez
suggests nobody was interested in funding coronavirus vaccines back then. However, there were other things he said that I found extremely telling. For example, they found some "immune enhancement" problems with their earlier efforts. Sound familiar?
1:21
http://youtu.be/0IV-FXRttdI
So maybe this was why they eventually decided to use just a small portion of the coronavirus (the spike protein) to make the current vaccines? To prevent immune enhancement?
There was something else. Listen very carefully from 0:57 and listen for the word paradoxical.
My own impression was that they really didn't understand it, but that a problem can arise when the human body encounters two sets of "instructions" about how to fend off a virus. Those from natural immunity and those preprogrammed into the human body via an m-RNA engineered vaccine.
My guess is that the virus is ultimately over time learning to exploit the man-made attempts to stop it and subsequently becoming stronger, which renders the vaccines over time less effective. And giving more and more of the exploitable vaccine will not in the long run make the situation better, but will ultimately make it worse as the virus learns to mutate and become even stronger.
Listen to what this woman is talking about from about 0:39.
http://youtu.be/jnpAc-quMAQ
here's a good news story .... re science vs social media ... while my usual disclaimers on science is not 100% perfect far from it, remains.
As a virologist I’m shocked my work has been hijacked by anti-vaxxers
David LV Bauer
A news interview I did was re-edited and misquoted by online conspiracy theorists. My advice is: get the vaccine
David LV Bauer is head of the RNA virus replication laboratory at the Francis Crick Institute in London
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/sep/07/virologist-work-anti-vaxxers-covid
what i liked about this is how he goes about explaining what happened.
A clever aspect of the videos is that they start with a trace of plausibility before veering into the implausible. In our research we did find that antibodies generated by the vaccine neutralise the Delta variant six times less well than they did the original strain in the lab.
But it’s far better to have some antibodies than none at all – a fact borne out by the vaccine’s continued success in preventing severe disease and death worldwide.
-- his opinion that is.
---
of course, long term who knows what may arise?
its still individual choice imo.
Like the virus itself, the videos seemed to be mutating and spreading, with new, more virulent variants catching on online.
Yeah, right. LOLOL Unlike what the governments of the world have been spewing 24/7, 365 for the last year and a half. Always another boogie man lurking in the shadows, mutating and replicating and spreading like a ..... mmmm, what am I thinking of ..... Oh, yeah. like a virus. (smh)
Are the vaccines helping the COVID-19 virus to mutate and become stronger? That is my question, on account of where that road leads.


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2021-10-03 14:30:21 UTC
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Ärzte sind kleine Teufel.
Adolf war ein mittlerer Teufel.
der Große Teufel kommt erst noch.
There is a lot of money involved. And sometimes companies "cut corners" in order to sell a product. The companies also have a lot of money for lawyers and to avoid liability for wrongdoing.
One could say it is clear as day that Paul Twitchell and Eckankar sold a compromised product (one that compromised the truth) and yet after all these years some people are still saying "So what?" "What does it really matter?" And some people are still attacking those who care to talk about it. Just ask J.R., Kinpa, Fife, etc. Ask them why they can't handle the truth? or can't handle hearing about the truth? Probably all you will get for an answer is feigned ignorance. Or else display of someone who looks unbalanced, or tries to make everything to be some sick joke.
No Richard. You're just another half-wit Eckankar hanger-on who wants things his way.
No one on this page doesn't agree that Eckankar is loaded with false claims, false fronts, and false leads, including me. You accomplish nothing and make a jackass of yourself by continuing to claim you're a victim. Burn down all the false claims and all you get is ashes which you've been sifting through for ten years or more. Where's the truth? You haven't found it yet. All you've found are the lies. If you're a victim, you're a victim of you're own stupidity, my friend.
Etznab hält die Stellung.
Evidently they had a SARS vaccine more than 10 years ago, but it didn't receive enough funding to become a vaccine. This guy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Hotez
suggests nobody was interested in funding coronavirus vaccines back then. However, there were other things he said that I found extremely telling. For example, they found some "immune enhancement" problems with their earlier efforts. Sound familiar?
1:21
http://youtu.be/0IV-FXRttdI
So maybe this was why they eventually decided to use just a small portion of the coronavirus (the spike protein) to make the current vaccines? To prevent immune enhancement?
There was something else. Listen very carefully from 0:57 and listen for the word paradoxical.
My own impression was that they really didn't understand it, but that a problem can arise when the human body encounters two sets of "instructions" about how to fend off a virus. Those from natural immunity and those preprogrammed into the human body via an m-RNA engineered vaccine.
My guess is that the virus is ultimately over time learning to exploit the man-made attempts to stop it and subsequently becoming stronger, which renders the vaccines over time less effective. And giving more and more of the exploitable vaccine will not in the long run make the situation better, but will ultimately make it worse as the virus learns to mutate and become even stronger.
Listen to what this woman is talking about from about 0:39.
http://youtu.be/jnpAc-quMAQ
here's a good news story .... re science vs social media ... while my usual disclaimers on science is not 100% perfect far from it, remains.
As a virologist I’m shocked my work has been hijacked by anti-vaxxers
David LV Bauer
A news interview I did was re-edited and misquoted by online conspiracy theorists. My advice is: get the vaccine
David LV Bauer is head of the RNA virus replication laboratory at the Francis Crick Institute in London
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/sep/07/virologist-work-anti-vaxxers-covid
what i liked about this is how he goes about explaining what happened.
A clever aspect of the videos is that they start with a trace of plausibility before veering into the implausible. In our research we did find that antibodies generated by the vaccine neutralise the Delta variant six times less well than they did the original strain in the lab.
But it’s far better to have some antibodies than none at all – a fact borne out by the vaccine’s continued success in preventing severe disease and death worldwide.
-- his opinion that is.
---
of course, long term who knows what may arise?
its still individual choice imo.
Like the virus itself, the videos seemed to be mutating and spreading, with new, more virulent variants catching on online.
Yeah, right. LOLOL Unlike what the governments of the world have been spewing 24/7, 365 for the last year and a half. Always another boogie man lurking in the shadows, mutating and replicating and spreading like a ..... mmmm, what am I thinking of ..... Oh, yeah. like a virus. (smh)
Are the vaccines helping the COVID-19 virus to mutate and become stronger? That is my question, on account of where that road leads.
http://youtu.be/1jsgzrt3VSs
Evidently, efficacy for the Pfizer vaccine is generally on the wane. And there is a history for Antibody Dependent Enhancement with coronavirus vaccines; including the one for SARS COVID-1 which was never approved.

This one is interesting.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32092539/

And this one.

"ADE of infection is exploited by a wide range of viruses and is thought to occur when the virus is bound by non-neutralizing antibodies or sub-neutralizing concentrations of antibodies which, instead of neutralizing it, facilitate virus internalization into host cells (extrinsic ADE) [6]."

https://oatext.com/pdf/JTS-7-449.pdf

Why do some people suffer and die from COVID-19? while others barely have symptoms and get over it? Most children, for example, have immune systems not exposed to as many things as adults and they generally do better. So what are the adults being exposed to that can make them predisposed to greater suffering from COVID-19? How about prior exposure to various forms of vaccines on an annual basis? Ones that don't always work 100%? Like for the flu? Because isn't this one difference between children and adults generally? The former have been exposed to more coronavirus vaccines?

"Both viruses infect the respiratory tract, show similar symptoms, and use surface proteins to infect the host."

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33064680/

They say that COVID-19 doesn't mutate as much as Influenza, and this is why vaccines for Influenza need to change often in order to keep up. However, COVID-19 does mutate and they are already talking about new vaccines, or pills in order to keep it in check.
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@ 31:17 about A.D.E. Antibody Dependent Enhancement
http://youtu.be/VhoLclnwrOw
Ärzte sind kleine Teufel.
Adolf war ein mittlerer Teufel.
der Große Teufel kommt erst noch.
There is a lot of money involved. And sometimes companies "cut corners" in order to sell a product. The companies also have a lot of money for lawyers and to avoid liability for wrongdoing.
One could say it is clear as day that Paul Twitchell and Eckankar sold a compromised product (one that compromised the truth) and yet after all these years some people are still saying "So what?" "What does it really matter?" And some people are still attacking those who care to talk about it. Just ask J.R., Kinpa, Fife, etc. Ask them why they can't handle the truth? or can't handle hearing about the truth? Probably all you will get for an answer is feigned ignorance. Or else display of someone who looks unbalanced, or tries to make everything to be some sick joke.
No Richard. You're just another half-wit Eckankar hanger-on who wants things his way.
No one on this page doesn't agree that Eckankar is loaded with false claims, false fronts, and false leads, including me. You accomplish nothing and make a jackass of yourself by continuing to claim you're a victim. Burn down all the false claims and all you get is ashes which you've been sifting through for ten years or more. Where's the truth? You haven't found it yet. All you've found are the lies. If you're a victim, you're a victim of you're own stupidity, my friend.
Etznab hält die Stellung.
Evidently they had a SARS vaccine more than 10 years ago, but it didn't receive enough funding to become a vaccine. This guy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Hotez
suggests nobody was interested in funding coronavirus vaccines back then. However, there were other things he said that I found extremely telling. For example, they found some "immune enhancement" problems with their earlier efforts. Sound familiar?
1:21
http://youtu.be/0IV-FXRttdI
So maybe this was why they eventually decided to use just a small portion of the coronavirus (the spike protein) to make the current vaccines? To prevent immune enhancement?
There was something else. Listen very carefully from 0:57 and listen for the word paradoxical.
My own impression was that they really didn't understand it, but that a problem can arise when the human body encounters two sets of "instructions" about how to fend off a virus. Those from natural immunity and those preprogrammed into the human body via an m-RNA engineered vaccine.
My guess is that the virus is ultimately over time learning to exploit the man-made attempts to stop it and subsequently becoming stronger, which renders the vaccines over time less effective. And giving more and more of the exploitable vaccine will not in the long run make the situation better, but will ultimately make it worse as the virus learns to mutate and become even stronger.
Listen to what this woman is talking about from about 0:39.
http://youtu.be/jnpAc-quMAQ
here's a good news story .... re science vs social media ... while my usual disclaimers on science is not 100% perfect far from it, remains.
As a virologist I’m shocked my work has been hijacked by anti-vaxxers
David LV Bauer
A news interview I did was re-edited and misquoted by online conspiracy theorists. My advice is: get the vaccine
David LV Bauer is head of the RNA virus replication laboratory at the Francis Crick Institute in London
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/sep/07/virologist-work-anti-vaxxers-covid
what i liked about this is how he goes about explaining what happened.
A clever aspect of the videos is that they start with a trace of plausibility before veering into the implausible. In our research we did find that antibodies generated by the vaccine neutralise the Delta variant six times less well than they did the original strain in the lab.
But it’s far better to have some antibodies than none at all – a fact borne out by the vaccine’s continued success in preventing severe disease and death worldwide.
-- his opinion that is.
---
of course, long term who knows what may arise?
its still individual choice imo.
Like the virus itself, the videos seemed to be mutating and spreading, with new, more virulent variants catching on online.
Yeah, right. LOLOL Unlike what the governments of the world have been spewing 24/7, 365 for the last year and a half. Always another boogie man lurking in the shadows, mutating and replicating and spreading like a ..... mmmm, what am I thinking of ..... Oh, yeah. like a virus. (smh)
Are the vaccines helping the COVID-19 virus to mutate and become stronger? That is my question, on account of where that road leads.
http://youtu.be/1jsgzrt3VSs
Evidently, efficacy for the Pfizer vaccine is generally on the wane. And there is a history for Antibody Dependent Enhancement with coronavirus vaccines; including the one for SARS COVID-1 which was never approved.
This one is interesting.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32092539/
And this one.
"ADE of infection is exploited by a wide range of viruses and is thought to occur when the virus is bound by non-neutralizing antibodies or sub-neutralizing concentrations of antibodies which, instead of neutralizing it, facilitate virus internalization into host cells (extrinsic ADE) [6]."
https://oatext.com/pdf/JTS-7-449.pdf
Why do some people suffer and die from COVID-19? while others barely have symptoms and get over it? Most children, for example, have immune systems not exposed to as many things as adults and they generally do better. So what are the adults being exposed to that can make them predisposed to greater suffering from COVID-19? How about prior exposure to various forms of vaccines on an annual basis? Ones that don't always work 100%? Like for the flu? Because isn't this one difference between children and adults generally? The former have been exposed to more coronavirus vaccines?
"Both viruses infect the respiratory tract, show similar symptoms, and use surface proteins to infect the host."
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33064680/
They say that COVID-19 doesn't mutate as much as Influenza, and this is why vaccines for Influenza need to change often in order to keep up. However, COVID-19 does mutate and they are already talking about new vaccines, or pills in order to keep it in check.
Watch from about 20 and 22 minutes.



None of the U.S . children who died of COVID-19 were healthy children? All had preexisting conditions?
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@ 31:17 about A.D.E. Antibody Dependent Enhancement
http://youtu.be/VhoLclnwrOw
Ärzte sind kleine Teufel.
Adolf war ein mittlerer Teufel.
der Große Teufel kommt erst noch.
There is a lot of money involved. And sometimes companies "cut corners" in order to sell a product. The companies also have a lot of money for lawyers and to avoid liability for wrongdoing.
One could say it is clear as day that Paul Twitchell and Eckankar sold a compromised product (one that compromised the truth) and yet after all these years some people are still saying "So what?" "What does it really matter?" And some people are still attacking those who care to talk about it. Just ask J.R., Kinpa, Fife, etc. Ask them why they can't handle the truth? or can't handle hearing about the truth? Probably all you will get for an answer is feigned ignorance. Or else display of someone who looks unbalanced, or tries to make everything to be some sick joke.
No Richard. You're just another half-wit Eckankar hanger-on who wants things his way.
No one on this page doesn't agree that Eckankar is loaded with false claims, false fronts, and false leads, including me. You accomplish nothing and make a jackass of yourself by continuing to claim you're a victim. Burn down all the false claims and all you get is ashes which you've been sifting through for ten years or more. Where's the truth? You haven't found it yet. All you've found are the lies. If you're a victim, you're a victim of you're own stupidity, my friend.
Etznab hält die Stellung.
Evidently they had a SARS vaccine more than 10 years ago, but it didn't receive enough funding to become a vaccine. This guy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Hotez
suggests nobody was interested in funding coronavirus vaccines back then. However, there were other things he said that I found extremely telling. For example, they found some "immune enhancement" problems with their earlier efforts. Sound familiar?
1:21
http://youtu.be/0IV-FXRttdI
So maybe this was why they eventually decided to use just a small portion of the coronavirus (the spike protein) to make the current vaccines? To prevent immune enhancement?
There was something else. Listen very carefully from 0:57 and listen for the word paradoxical.
My own impression was that they really didn't understand it, but that a problem can arise when the human body encounters two sets of "instructions" about how to fend off a virus. Those from natural immunity and those preprogrammed into the human body via an m-RNA engineered vaccine.
My guess is that the virus is ultimately over time learning to exploit the man-made attempts to stop it and subsequently becoming stronger, which renders the vaccines over time less effective. And giving more and more of the exploitable vaccine will not in the long run make the situation better, but will ultimately make it worse as the virus learns to mutate and become even stronger.
Listen to what this woman is talking about from about 0:39.
http://youtu.be/jnpAc-quMAQ
here's a good news story .... re science vs social media ... while my usual disclaimers on science is not 100% perfect far from it, remains.
As a virologist I’m shocked my work has been hijacked by anti-vaxxers
David LV Bauer
A news interview I did was re-edited and misquoted by online conspiracy theorists. My advice is: get the vaccine
David LV Bauer is head of the RNA virus replication laboratory at the Francis Crick Institute in London
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/sep/07/virologist-work-anti-vaxxers-covid
what i liked about this is how he goes about explaining what happened.
A clever aspect of the videos is that they start with a trace of plausibility before veering into the implausible. In our research we did find that antibodies generated by the vaccine neutralise the Delta variant six times less well than they did the original strain in the lab.
But it’s far better to have some antibodies than none at all – a fact borne out by the vaccine’s continued success in preventing severe disease and death worldwide.
-- his opinion that is.
---
of course, long term who knows what may arise?
its still individual choice imo.
Like the virus itself, the videos seemed to be mutating and spreading, with new, more virulent variants catching on online.
Yeah, right. LOLOL Unlike what the governments of the world have been spewing 24/7, 365 for the last year and a half. Always another boogie man lurking in the shadows, mutating and replicating and spreading like a ..... mmmm, what am I thinking of ..... Oh, yeah. like a virus. (smh)
Are the vaccines helping the COVID-19 virus to mutate and become stronger? That is my question, on account of where that road leads.
http://youtu.be/1jsgzrt3VSs
Evidently, efficacy for the Pfizer vaccine is generally on the wane. And there is a history for Antibody Dependent Enhancement with coronavirus vaccines; including the one for SARS COVID-1 which was never approved.
This one is interesting.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32092539/
And this one.
"ADE of infection is exploited by a wide range of viruses and is thought to occur when the virus is bound by non-neutralizing antibodies or sub-neutralizing concentrations of antibodies which, instead of neutralizing it, facilitate virus internalization into host cells (extrinsic ADE) [6]."
https://oatext.com/pdf/JTS-7-449.pdf
Why do some people suffer and die from COVID-19? while others barely have symptoms and get over it? Most children, for example, have immune systems not exposed to as many things as adults and they generally do better. So what are the adults being exposed to that can make them predisposed to greater suffering from COVID-19? How about prior exposure to various forms of vaccines on an annual basis? Ones that don't always work 100%? Like for the flu? Because isn't this one difference between children and adults generally? The former have been exposed to more coronavirus vaccines?
"Both viruses infect the respiratory tract, show similar symptoms, and use surface proteins to infect the host."
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33064680/
They say that COVID-19 doesn't mutate as much as Influenza, and this is why vaccines for Influenza need to change often in order to keep up. However, COVID-19 does mutate and they are already talking about new vaccines, or pills in order to keep it in check.
Watch from about 20 and 22 minutes.
http://youtu.be/7ctAwSHjWls
None of the U.S . children who died of COVID-19 were healthy children? All had preexisting conditions?
13:44
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@ 31:17 about A.D.E. Antibody Dependent Enhancement
http://youtu.be/VhoLclnwrOw
Ärzte sind kleine Teufel.
Adolf war ein mittlerer Teufel.
der Große Teufel kommt erst noch.
There is a lot of money involved. And sometimes companies "cut corners" in order to sell a product. The companies also have a lot of money for lawyers and to avoid liability for wrongdoing.
One could say it is clear as day that Paul Twitchell and Eckankar sold a compromised product (one that compromised the truth) and yet after all these years some people are still saying "So what?" "What does it really matter?" And some people are still attacking those who care to talk about it. Just ask J.R., Kinpa, Fife, etc. Ask them why they can't handle the truth? or can't handle hearing about the truth? Probably all you will get for an answer is feigned ignorance. Or else display of someone who looks unbalanced, or tries to make everything to be some sick joke.
No Richard. You're just another half-wit Eckankar hanger-on who wants things his way.
No one on this page doesn't agree that Eckankar is loaded with false claims, false fronts, and false leads, including me. You accomplish nothing and make a jackass of yourself by continuing to claim you're a victim. Burn down all the false claims and all you get is ashes which you've been sifting through for ten years or more. Where's the truth? You haven't found it yet. All you've found are the lies. If you're a victim, you're a victim of you're own stupidity, my friend.
Etznab hält die Stellung.
Evidently they had a SARS vaccine more than 10 years ago, but it didn't receive enough funding to become a vaccine. This guy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Hotez
suggests nobody was interested in funding coronavirus vaccines back then. However, there were other things he said that I found extremely telling. For example, they found some "immune enhancement" problems with their earlier efforts. Sound familiar?
1:21
http://youtu.be/0IV-FXRttdI
So maybe this was why they eventually decided to use just a small portion of the coronavirus (the spike protein) to make the current vaccines? To prevent immune enhancement?
There was something else. Listen very carefully from 0:57 and listen for the word paradoxical.
My own impression was that they really didn't understand it, but that a problem can arise when the human body encounters two sets of "instructions" about how to fend off a virus. Those from natural immunity and those preprogrammed into the human body via an m-RNA engineered vaccine.
My guess is that the virus is ultimately over time learning to exploit the man-made attempts to stop it and subsequently becoming stronger, which renders the vaccines over time less effective. And giving more and more of the exploitable vaccine will not in the long run make the situation better, but will ultimately make it worse as the virus learns to mutate and become even stronger.
Listen to what this woman is talking about from about 0:39.
http://youtu.be/jnpAc-quMAQ
here's a good news story .... re science vs social media ... while my usual disclaimers on science is not 100% perfect far from it, remains.
As a virologist I’m shocked my work has been hijacked by anti-vaxxers
David LV Bauer
A news interview I did was re-edited and misquoted by online conspiracy theorists. My advice is: get the vaccine
David LV Bauer is head of the RNA virus replication laboratory at the Francis Crick Institute in London
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/sep/07/virologist-work-anti-vaxxers-covid
what i liked about this is how he goes about explaining what happened.
A clever aspect of the videos is that they start with a trace of plausibility before veering into the implausible. In our research we did find that antibodies generated by the vaccine neutralise the Delta variant six times less well than they did the original strain in the lab.
But it’s far better to have some antibodies than none at all – a fact borne out by the vaccine’s continued success in preventing severe disease and death worldwide.
-- his opinion that is.
---
of course, long term who knows what may arise?
its still individual choice imo.
Like the virus itself, the videos seemed to be mutating and spreading, with new, more virulent variants catching on online.
Yeah, right. LOLOL Unlike what the governments of the world have been spewing 24/7, 365 for the last year and a half. Always another boogie man lurking in the shadows, mutating and replicating and spreading like a ..... mmmm, what am I thinking of ..... Oh, yeah. like a virus. (smh)
Are the vaccines helping the COVID-19 virus to mutate and become stronger? That is my question, on account of where that road leads.
http://youtu.be/1jsgzrt3VSs
Evidently, efficacy for the Pfizer vaccine is generally on the wane. And there is a history for Antibody Dependent Enhancement with coronavirus vaccines; including the one for SARS COVID-1 which was never approved.
This one is interesting.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32092539/
And this one.
"ADE of infection is exploited by a wide range of viruses and is thought to occur when the virus is bound by non-neutralizing antibodies or sub-neutralizing concentrations of antibodies which, instead of neutralizing it, facilitate virus internalization into host cells (extrinsic ADE) [6]."
https://oatext.com/pdf/JTS-7-449.pdf
Why do some people suffer and die from COVID-19? while others barely have symptoms and get over it? Most children, for example, have immune systems not exposed to as many things as adults and they generally do better. So what are the adults being exposed to that can make them predisposed to greater suffering from COVID-19? How about prior exposure to various forms of vaccines on an annual basis? Ones that don't always work 100%? Like for the flu? Because isn't this one difference between children and adults generally? The former have been exposed to more coronavirus vaccines?
"Both viruses infect the respiratory tract, show similar symptoms, and use surface proteins to infect the host."
https://www.wsj.com/articles/cdc-covid-19-coronavirus-vaccine-side-effects-hospitalization-kids-11626706868
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https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33064680/
They say that COVID-19 doesn't mutate as much as Influenza, and this is why vaccines for Influenza need to change often in order to keep up. However, COVID-19 does mutate and they are already talking about new vaccines, or pills in order to keep it in check.
Watch from about 20 and 22 minutes.
http://youtu.be/7ctAwSHjWls
None of the U.S . children who died of COVID-19 were healthy children? All had preexisting conditions?
"[...] My research team at Johns Hopkins worked with the nonprofit FAIR Health to analyze approximately 48,000 children under 18 diagnosed with Covid in health-insurance data from April to August 2020. Our report found a mortality rate of zero among children without a pre-existing medical condition such as leukemia. [... .]"
Henosis Sage
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On Sunday, 14 November 2021 at 01:25:28 UTC+11, Etznab wrote:
malone
5:37

thats from 11 Sept 2021 .... it's a very busy subject of active research. and published findings.

one thing he said noteworthy .... different versions of truth iirc ... or which data is true .. well I say ALL the data is true. it is. what varies is the interpretation meaning of that there data and how reliable in a holistic context is that data. does it really reflect REALITY or not at all, and if partially to what degree, and under which circumstance.

that is the appropriate jurisdiction of the authors positing hypotheses on that data in their studies and prior studies they are considering.

and this varies. all the time. on every subject but especially in fats moving research areas such a the newest virus discovery and it;s effects.

See?

See what?

that when people describe what they think about xyz research and study they are now always accurate, fair considerate or correctly reflecting the views of the actual papers/research/studies ... choosing to use words like what is true is selecting the wrong words when it comes to scientific research and what the data is, and what the data might be suggesting .... or iow buyer beware .. especially of people defaulting to EMOTIONAL TRIGGER WORDS to describe the findings of Data and Science in general.

from any side of an issue, no matter their "opinions"

anyway ... things have moved on since sept .... research builds on prior research .. not all findings are definitive but all findings can be useful and can be built upon, refined made better to produced more definitive research outputs .... which still cannot be said to be TRUE (or false)

Plus good scientists quote and ref previous work in their work, be it pro or con accepted or rejected in their own analysis.
good scientists keep publishing papers ... they do not ride popularity appearing on any venue open to them on a topic, where talk is all they do again I don;t know one way or the other but buyer beware should apply to all sources/opinions findings ....

this post and page has several research refs ... but pre-sept. https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,2996.msg325882.html#msg325882

so what does malone base his opinion upon, why does he reject research suggesting the opposite of what he claims??? good luck finding out why.

FOR EXAMPLE
Unvaccinated people twice as likely to be reinfected with COVID: study
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-08-unvaccinated-people-reinfected-covid.html

The new CDC study was based on 246 Kentucky adults who were reinfected in May and June this year after previously being infected in 2020.

They were compared with 492 "controls" who were matched by sex, age, and time of initial positive test.

The analysis found that unvaccinated people were 2.34 times as likely to be reinfected compared to people fully vaccinated with the Pfizer, Moderna or Johnson & Johnson vaccines.

The duration of infection-acquired immunity remains poorly understood and may be affected by the emergency of newer variants, the paper said.

For example, laboratory studies have shown that blood samples from people previously infected with the original Wuhan strain had poor antibody responses to the Beta variant first identified in South Africa

[ but the/some research suggests the vaccinated are better able to respond to the different strains, no matter which strain they catch are exposed too ]

I'm not into arguing about this, if people don't want a vaccine that's fine by me. I do not think they should be socially penalized for not having it either... expect staffers in vulnerable high risk work spaces like prison nursing homes etc.

But hey, no one going to listen to me. LOL

and besides, I can't be bothered trying to keep up to date with the latest research findings either.

the other thing is, far too much of this topic has been screwed up with political and ideological beliefs and motivations and biased self-interests.

apparently no child can go to school in the US if they haven't been immunized against Polio .... that mandate has been around for decades (yes?) .... the water is very muddied. and I get polio vaccine is not the same as new rNA vaccines. Two very different things, yes, but the notion of enforced Mandates - on the balance of evidence and being socially acceptable and the accepted Law - is not.

Condoms use is now in the law books in some places too .... if sex is agreed with one, and you take it off, then you're up for a rape charge. Not sure what happenes if it accidentally comes off mid-stroke. The world is mad, let's not ever forget that. Covid BSing pro and con is no different.

cheers and good luck all ;-)
Henosis Sage
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in case the my post disappeared entirely ... a QUOTE from another I can easily AGREE WITH.

I admit that a large part of what is driving me, is a distrust of mainstream narratives that exclusively serve a system that is causing all the global problems. In that sense I'm actually quite consistent, even if I may be wrong. Just as I don't believe that trusting Big Pharma will help solve the current all-encompassing crisis, I don't believe that industry and technology will solve AGW in any meaningful way.

I guess this is what divides us. You have unwavering faith in science and technology, I believe that this kind of thinking is at the root of the predicament. Or to quote from a book by Wendell Berry that I'm reading right now:

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The next great division of the world will be between people who wish to live as creatures and people who wish to live as machines.
Tisra Til
2021-11-14 14:40:39 UTC
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malone
5:37
http://youtu.be/otVBrSBavvo
thats from 11 Sept 2021 .... it's a very busy subject of active research. and published findings.
one thing he said noteworthy .... different versions of truth iirc ... or which data is true .. well I say ALL the data is true. it is. what varies is the interpretation meaning of that there data and how reliable in a holistic context is that data. does it really reflect REALITY or not at all, and if partially to what degree, and under which circumstance.
that is the appropriate jurisdiction of the authors positing hypotheses on that data in their studies and prior studies they are considering.
and this varies. all the time. on every subject but especially in fats moving research areas such a the newest virus discovery and it;s effects.
See?
See what?
that when people describe what they think about xyz research and study they are now always accurate, fair considerate or correctly reflecting the views of the actual papers/research/studies ... choosing to use words like what is true is selecting the wrong words when it comes to scientific research and what the data is, and what the data might be suggesting .... or iow buyer beware .. especially of people defaulting to EMOTIONAL TRIGGER WORDS to describe the findings of Data and Science in general.
from any side of an issue, no matter their "opinions"
anyway ... things have moved on since sept .... research builds on prior research .. not all findings are definitive but all findings can be useful and can be built upon, refined made better to produced more definitive research outputs .... which still cannot be said to be TRUE (or false)
Plus good scientists quote and ref previous work in their work, be it pro or con accepted or rejected in their own analysis.
good scientists keep publishing papers ... they do not ride popularity appearing on any venue open to them on a topic, where talk is all they do again I don;t know one way or the other but buyer beware should apply to all sources/opinions findings ....
this post and page has several research refs ... but pre-sept. https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,2996.msg325882.html#msg325882
so what does malone base his opinion upon, why does he reject research suggesting the opposite of what he claims??? good luck finding out why.
FOR EXAMPLE
Unvaccinated people twice as likely to be reinfected with COVID: study
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-08-unvaccinated-people-reinfected-covid.html
The new CDC study was based on 246 Kentucky adults who were reinfected in May and June this year after previously being infected in 2020.
They were compared with 492 "controls" who were matched by sex, age, and time of initial positive test.
The analysis found that unvaccinated people were 2.34 times as likely to be reinfected compared to people fully vaccinated with the Pfizer, Moderna or Johnson & Johnson vaccines.
The duration of infection-acquired immunity remains poorly understood and may be affected by the emergency of newer variants, the paper said.
For example, laboratory studies have shown that blood samples from people previously infected with the original Wuhan strain had poor antibody responses to the Beta variant first identified in South Africa
[ but the/some research suggests the vaccinated are better able to respond to the different strains, no matter which strain they catch are exposed too ]
I'm not into arguing about this, if people don't want a vaccine that's fine by me. I do not think they should be socially penalized for not having it either... expect staffers in vulnerable high risk work spaces like prison nursing homes etc.
But hey, no one going to listen to me. LOL
and besides, I can't be bothered trying to keep up to date with the latest research findings either.
the other thing is, far too much of this topic has been screwed up with political and ideological beliefs and motivations and biased self-interests.
apparently no child can go to school in the US if they haven't been immunized against Polio .... that mandate has been around for decades (yes?) .... the water is very muddied. and I get polio vaccine is not the same as new rNA vaccines. Two very different things, yes, but the notion of enforced Mandates - on the balance of evidence and being socially acceptable and the accepted Law - is not.
Condoms use is now in the law books in some places too .... if sex is agreed with one, and you take it off, then you're up for a rape charge. Not sure what happenes if it accidentally comes off mid-stroke. The world is mad, let's not ever forget that. Covid BSing pro and con is no different.
cheers and good luck all ;-)
‘the other thing is, far too much of this topic has been screwed up with political and ideological beliefs and motivations and biased self-interests.’

You said a mouthful there.
Tisra Til
2021-11-14 14:51:43 UTC
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malone
5:37
http://youtu.be/otVBrSBavvo
thats from 11 Sept 2021 .... it's a very busy subject of active research. and published findings.
one thing he said noteworthy .... different versions of truth iirc ... or which data is true .. well I say ALL the data is true. it is. what varies is the interpretation meaning of that there data and how reliable in a holistic context is that data. does it really reflect REALITY or not at all, and if partially to what degree, and under which circumstance.
that is the appropriate jurisdiction of the authors positing hypotheses on that data in their studies and prior studies they are considering.
and this varies. all the time. on every subject but especially in fats moving research areas such a the newest virus discovery and it;s effects.
See?
See what?
that when people describe what they think about xyz research and study they are now always accurate, fair considerate or correctly reflecting the views of the actual papers/research/studies ... choosing to use words like what is true is selecting the wrong words when it comes to scientific research and what the data is, and what the data might be suggesting .... or iow buyer beware .. especially of people defaulting to EMOTIONAL TRIGGER WORDS to describe the findings of Data and Science in general.
from any side of an issue, no matter their "opinions"
anyway ... things have moved on since sept .... research builds on prior research .. not all findings are definitive but all findings can be useful and can be built upon, refined made better to produced more definitive research outputs .... which still cannot be said to be TRUE (or false)
Plus good scientists quote and ref previous work in their work, be it pro or con accepted or rejected in their own analysis.
good scientists keep publishing papers ... they do not ride popularity appearing on any venue open to them on a topic, where talk is all they do again I don;t know one way or the other but buyer beware should apply to all sources/opinions findings ....
this post and page has several research refs ... but pre-sept. https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,2996.msg325882.html#msg325882
so what does malone base his opinion upon, why does he reject research suggesting the opposite of what he claims??? good luck finding out why.
FOR EXAMPLE
Unvaccinated people twice as likely to be reinfected with COVID: study
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-08-unvaccinated-people-reinfected-covid.html
The new CDC study was based on 246 Kentucky adults who were reinfected in May and June this year after previously being infected in 2020.
They were compared with 492 "controls" who were matched by sex, age, and time of initial positive test.
The analysis found that unvaccinated people were 2.34 times as likely to be reinfected compared to people fully vaccinated with the Pfizer, Moderna or Johnson & Johnson vaccines.
The duration of infection-acquired immunity remains poorly understood and may be affected by the emergency of newer variants, the paper said.
For example, laboratory studies have shown that blood samples from people previously infected with the original Wuhan strain had poor antibody responses to the Beta variant first identified in South Africa
[ but the/some research suggests the vaccinated are better able to respond to the different strains, no matter which strain they catch are exposed too ]
I'm not into arguing about this, if people don't want a vaccine that's fine by me. I do not think they should be socially penalized for not having it either... expect staffers in vulnerable high risk work spaces like prison nursing homes etc.
But hey, no one going to listen to me. LOL
and besides, I can't be bothered trying to keep up to date with the latest research findings either.
the other thing is, far too much of this topic has been screwed up with political and ideological beliefs and motivations and biased self-interests.
apparently no child can go to school in the US if they haven't been immunized against Polio .... that mandate has been around for decades (yes?) .... the water is very muddied. and I get polio vaccine is not the same as new rNA vaccines. Two very different things, yes, but the notion of enforced Mandates - on the balance of evidence and being socially acceptable and the accepted Law - is not.
Condoms use is now in the law books in some places too .... if sex is agreed with one, and you take it off, then you're up for a rape charge. Not sure what happenes if it accidentally comes off mid-stroke. The world is mad, let's not ever forget that. Covid BSing pro and con is no different.
cheers and good luck all ;-)
"the other thing is, far too much of this topic has been screwed up with political and ideological beliefs and motivations and biased self-interests."

You said a mouthful there. Conflicts of interest abound.
Henosis Sage
2021-11-15 04:10:37 UTC
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On Monday, 15 November 2021 at 01:51:44 UTC+11, Tisra Til wrote:

RE "Conflicts of interest abound."

don't they just. Conflicts of interest are everywhere. Conflicts of interest are within everyone. everyone is biased and/or conflicted. no one possesses complete relevant knowledge. it is a total mess even if one assumes no one is lying, or they assume everyone is lying. meanwhile the information keeps changing being added to. everyone assume the information, data and knowledge they are relying upon to come to a conclusion/opinion is "true" and justifiable or simply makes sense to them .... otherwise they would not rely on it in the first place.

plus the knowledge data is still insufficient low grade, the data too limited and mostly insufficiently verified by credible multiple open sources/experts in the field. I do not care what people like josh rogan believes is true. one swallow doesn't make a summer. Nor the media reports or official claims of what the limited (studied group numbers) and research suggests MAY BE the case about x, y or z.

the research of the last 22 months or so says all kinds of things .... at different times, about different aspects of the subject. It is not definitive, be it pro or con imho. there are risks taking a vaccine and there are risks not taking a vaccine. a bit like taking a taxi - who knows what might unfold during the trip. <smile>

That's why I don't have a real conclusion or an opinion on these matters. Except my conclusion that the politics of it and the discussions about that and about covid is overall totally fucked up bullshit as usual. Beyond that imho people should make their own choices - and live with the consequences of that!

Being mindful that beyond your closest friends and family hardly anyone cares what you or I think on the subject. Well maybe some making money via social media or in the media and the politicians running for office might kind of care .. in a very self-centered self-important kind of way. LOL

Who knows? maybe it will turn out to be a defining evolutionary moment for the human species. The Great Divergence? ;-)
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