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Looking at a.r.e. over the years
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Etznab
2022-03-19 10:52:32 UTC
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It's not now what it was then, except for the trolls.

Years ago there were more members, more threads, more arguments, especially since the ignorance level was greater. That would be ignorance about real historical events that actually happened vs. pseudo historical events, fictions, delusions, etc.

I should try to find an example for contrast and comparison to contemporary discussion content.
Etznab
2022-03-19 11:02:53 UTC
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It's not now what it was then, except for the trolls.
Years ago there were more members, more threads, more arguments, especially since the ignorance level was greater. That would be ignorance about real historical events that actually happened vs. pseudo historical events, fictions, delusions, etc.
I should try to find an example for contrast and comparison to contemporary discussion content.
Came across this old post for an example. It talks about a group of people that goes back to the beginning of a.r.e.

A quote:

"So, members of Bright Future would target specific people whenever they could find a weakness to take advantage of. This would be at
times pre-planned and then a whole series of posts would be done against the target, by 'new' anonymous posters using new nics, as well
as the more public figures who maintained their usual name or Nic. It was always a team effort, though it is also true that not all members
of Bright Future would apply the most crass moves that some were very willing to unleash on unsuspecting posters to a.r.e.."

https://groups.google.com/g/alt.religion.eckankar/c/Yui0A8LYHOA/m/VbqszKmK6YEJ
Etznab
2022-03-19 11:48:10 UTC
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It's not now what it was then, except for the trolls.
Years ago there were more members, more threads, more arguments, especially since the ignorance level was greater. That would be ignorance about real historical events that actually happened vs. pseudo historical events, fictions, delusions, etc.
I should try to find an example for contrast and comparison to contemporary discussion content.
Came across this old post for an example. It talks about a group of people that goes back to the beginning of a.r.e.
"So, members of Bright Future would target specific people whenever they could find a weakness to take advantage of. This would be at
times pre-planned and then a whole series of posts would be done against the target, by 'new' anonymous posters using new nics, as well
as the more public figures who maintained their usual name or Nic. It was always a team effort, though it is also true that not all members
of Bright Future would apply the most crass moves that some were very willing to unleash on unsuspecting posters to a.r.e.."
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.religion.eckankar/c/Yui0A8LYHOA/m/VbqszKmK6YEJ
Actually, this thread works very well for an a.r.e. synopsis. More convenient too, since cutting and pasting quotes is all I need do; followed by comments and conversations.

More quotes [my typo corrections added]:

"By the time I was invited in most of the more serious matters run by Bright Future had ended. Doug was making *serious inroads* into the
David Lane claims thru his posting to a.r.e. his online book, Dialogues In the Age of Criticism, where he had a one on one very long discussion covering years with David Lane personally, and anyone else who wanted to get involved.

"This action by Doug was well know beforehand by all those Eckists in Bright Future. They were all ready to back him up, and the responses
to a.r.e. reflect that clearly, and consistently. Others, such as naive fools like myself, had absolutely no idea .. but Doug marman knew all about it, and the back room operations involved ... to make a point."

https://groups.google.com/g/alt.religion.eckankar/c/Yui0A8LYHOA/m/VbqszKmK6YEJ

My comments:

The flavor of a.r.e. I get so far (from the listed quotes) is (in so many words) "a team effort by Eckists to target certain other Eckists and former Eckists, etc."

A summary for people new to a.r.e. post March 19th, 2022:

A years-long argument developed in this group after fact vs. fiction, reality vs. pseudo-imagined-history-religion more and more stoked a legacy of "flame wars". By the time I entered for any great length of time, the focus (my focus) was clarification concerning what - of all that was mentioned here - was actually true as historical events and provably true. I began with two prime targets.

1. What was the month and day when the founder of Eckankar, Paul Twitchell, was allegedly "poisoned".

2. Who? or What? Was Rebazar Tarzs really?

Over the years, members of "Bright Future" (supplemented by pseudo trolls they managed and massaged) had a hay day with my queries I do declare!

WHAT? AN ACTIVE ECKIST PUBLICLY DIGGING FOR TRUTH ABOUT THE RELIGION AND HAVING DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THAT?

I wonder if Kinpa was ever a member of "BRIGHT FUTURE"? Since he appeared to go berserk after some criticism of Doug Marman's book? More later.

At one time, Kinpa seemed (to me) not to be involved with any "BRIGHT FUTURE". (Maybe he was recruited later?)

"... i have virtually no contact with the org, havent been to a seminar or satsang, or meeting or book discussion in years, i simply haven't needed those experiences for my development....my point of view comes from experience, not from the org, or any group of HIs, or anyone else for that matter ... ."

https://groups.google.com/g/alt.religion.eckankar/c/3fLkcDxm0YQ/m/HUFZNmU8QUMJ
Etznab
2022-03-19 12:08:32 UTC
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It's not now what it was then, except for the trolls.
Years ago there were more members, more threads, more arguments, especially since the ignorance level was greater. That would be ignorance about real historical events that actually happened vs. pseudo historical events, fictions, delusions, etc.
I should try to find an example for contrast and comparison to contemporary discussion content.
Came across this old post for an example. It talks about a group of people that goes back to the beginning of a.r.e.
"So, members of Bright Future would target specific people whenever they could find a weakness to take advantage of. This would be at
times pre-planned and then a whole series of posts would be done against the target, by 'new' anonymous posters using new nics, as well
as the more public figures who maintained their usual name or Nic. It was always a team effort, though it is also true that not all members
of Bright Future would apply the most crass moves that some were very willing to unleash on unsuspecting posters to a.r.e.."
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.religion.eckankar/c/Yui0A8LYHOA/m/VbqszKmK6YEJ
Actually, this thread works very well for an a.r.e. synopsis. More convenient too, since cutting and pasting quotes is all I need do; followed by comments and conversations.
"By the time I was invited in most of the more serious matters run by Bright Future had ended. Doug was making *serious inroads* into the
David Lane claims thru his posting to a.r.e. his online book, Dialogues In the Age of Criticism, where he had a one on one very long discussion covering years with David Lane personally, and anyone else who wanted to get involved.
"This action by Doug was well know beforehand by all those Eckists in Bright Future. They were all ready to back him up, and the responses
to a.r.e. reflect that clearly, and consistently. Others, such as naive fools like myself, had absolutely no idea .. but Doug marman knew all about it, and the back room operations involved ... to make a point."
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.religion.eckankar/c/Yui0A8LYHOA/m/VbqszKmK6YEJ
The flavor of a.r.e. I get so far (from the listed quotes) is (in so many words) "a team effort by Eckists to target certain other Eckists and former Eckists, etc."
A years-long argument developed in this group after fact vs. fiction, reality vs. pseudo-imagined-history-religion more and more stoked a legacy of "flame wars". By the time I entered for any great length of time, the focus (my focus) was clarification concerning what - of all that was mentioned here - was actually true as historical events and provably true. I began with two prime targets.
1. What was the month and day when the founder of Eckankar, Paul Twitchell, was allegedly "poisoned".
2. Who? or What? Was Rebazar Tarzs really?
Over the years, members of "Bright Future" (supplemented by pseudo trolls they managed and massaged) had a hay day with my queries I do declare!
WHAT? AN ACTIVE ECKIST PUBLICLY DIGGING FOR TRUTH ABOUT THE RELIGION AND HAVING DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THAT?
I wonder if Kinpa was ever a member of "BRIGHT FUTURE"? Since he appeared to go berserk after some criticism of Doug Marman's book? More later.
At one time, Kinpa seemed (to me) not to be involved with any "BRIGHT FUTURE". (Maybe he was recruited later?)
"... i have virtually no contact with the org, havent been to a seminar or satsang, or meeting or book discussion in years, i simply haven't needed those experiences for my development....my point of view comes from experience, not from the org, or any group of HIs, or anyone else for that matter ... ."
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.religion.eckankar/c/3fLkcDxm0YQ/m/HUFZNmU8QUMJ
"[...] I wonder if Kinpa was ever a member of "BRIGHT FUTURE"? Since he appeared to go berserk after some criticism of Doug Marman's book? More later. [... .]"

I should say ... "go more berserk?"

May 8th, 2014

"Interesting, ill check the new book out Doug...Eckankar continues to be a fine experience imo, and the many folks that have now encountered it by way of me say they are enjoying having experiences...its a fine thing i think...its surprising how many people do not care in the least, at this point in time, about Paul Twitchell's plagiarisms, being that every spiritual path on the planet took from previous teachings and then propelled them into further development and evolution....great stuff! even those that have purposely argued and battled against the path and organization have only provided service to IT, according to newer chelas that continually read things posted here...i find these things enormously interesting...also, ill mention again, there IS a demand forming for The Whole Truth to become an ebook, so i hope you are still considering that, and potentially considering the option for any new books youre involved in writing!"

https://groups.google.com/g/alt.religion.eckankar/c/A6-M2o6FDeM/m/6avOAVYTHEsJ

Was that "BRIGHT FUTURE" speak? Even if not, Kinpa would later go on to imagine remote viewings of his critics pooping their pants, etc. and then broadcasting such delusions publicly. INCLUDING (get this) telling an active member of Eckankar they were not a member and they did not have a current membership card. (It doesn't get any more desperate than that to paint a "bright future". Does it?)
Henosis Sage
2022-03-21 03:55:41 UTC
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It's not now what it was then, except for the trolls.
Years ago there were more members, more threads, more arguments, especially since the ignorance level was greater. That would be ignorance about real historical events that actually happened vs. pseudo historical events, fictions, delusions, etc.
I should try to find an example for contrast and comparison to contemporary discussion content.
Came across this old post for an example. It talks about a group of people that goes back to the beginning of a.r.e.
"So, members of Bright Future would target specific people whenever they could find a weakness to take advantage of. This would be at
times pre-planned and then a whole series of posts would be done against the target, by 'new' anonymous posters using new nics, as well
as the more public figures who maintained their usual name or Nic. It was always a team effort, though it is also true that not all members
of Bright Future would apply the most crass moves that some were very willing to unleash on unsuspecting posters to a.r.e.."
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.religion.eckankar/c/Yui0A8LYHOA/m/VbqszKmK6YEJ
UPLOADED TO PTHA AS PDF DOC

Posted to PTHA 2022-03-21

Bright Future - Secret Eckist Yahoo Discussion Group – circa 2003

Santim Vah
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1fWWynR-sxDYflSxPVAQgLdp8XCeAHUXk/view

Original https://groups.google.com/g/alt.religion.eckankar/c/Yui0A8LYHOA/m/VbqszKmK6YEJ
Henosis Sage
2022-03-21 04:17:05 UTC
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It's not now what it was then, except for the trolls.
Years ago there were more members, more threads, more arguments, especially since the ignorance level was greater. That would be ignorance about real historical events that actually happened vs. pseudo historical events, fictions, delusions, etc.
I should try to find an example for contrast and comparison to contemporary discussion content.
Came across this old post for an example. It talks about a group of people that goes back to the beginning of a.r.e.
"So, members of Bright Future would target specific people whenever they could find a weakness to take advantage of. This would be at
times pre-planned and then a whole series of posts would be done against the target, by 'new' anonymous posters using new nics, as well
as the more public figures who maintained their usual name or Nic. It was always a team effort, though it is also true that not all members
of Bright Future would apply the most crass moves that some were very willing to unleash on unsuspecting posters to a.r.e.."
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.religion.eckankar/c/Yui0A8LYHOA/m/VbqszKmK6YEJ
UPLOADED TO PTHA AS PDF DOC
Posted to PTHA 2022-03-21
Bright Future - Secret Eckist Yahoo Discussion Group – circa 2003
Santim Vah
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1fWWynR-sxDYflSxPVAQgLdp8XCeAHUXk/view
Original https://groups.google.com/g/alt.religion.eckankar/c/Yui0A8LYHOA/m/VbqszKmK6YEJ
PLAGIARISM Letters To Gail Vol III - #120. Imagination and History [ PSEUDO EVENTS ]
from page 75
1964-1965 Letters To Gail Vol III - 1990 Edition OCR Text (Copy)
UPLOADED 2022-03-21 - SORRY - VERY ROUGH INFO .....
ABOUT BOORSTIN ...... AND EDWARD BERNAYS

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1T4-nCUZxlc4tZJP4sKXp9Umd7tdkUjev/view
Henosis Sage
2022-03-21 06:55:20 UTC
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It's not now what it was then, except for the trolls.
Years ago there were more members, more threads, more arguments, especially since the ignorance level was greater. That would be ignorance about real historical events that actually happened vs. pseudo historical events, fictions, delusions, etc.
I should try to find an example for contrast and comparison to contemporary discussion content.
Came across this old post for an example. It talks about a group of people that goes back to the beginning of a.r.e.
"So, members of Bright Future would target specific people whenever they could find a weakness to take advantage of. This would be at
times pre-planned and then a whole series of posts would be done against the target, by 'new' anonymous posters using new nics, as well
as the more public figures who maintained their usual name or Nic. It was always a team effort, though it is also true that not all members
of Bright Future would apply the most crass moves that some were very willing to unleash on unsuspecting posters to a.r.e.."
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.religion.eckankar/c/Yui0A8LYHOA/m/VbqszKmK6YEJ
UPLOADED TO PTHA AS PDF DOC
Posted to PTHA 2022-03-21
Bright Future - Secret Eckist Yahoo Discussion Group – circa 2003
Santim Vah
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1fWWynR-sxDYflSxPVAQgLdp8XCeAHUXk/view
Original https://groups.google.com/g/alt.religion.eckankar/c/Yui0A8LYHOA/m/VbqszKmK6YEJ
PLAGIARISM Letters To Gail Vol III - #120. Imagination and History [ PSEUDO EVENTS ]
from page 75
1964-1965 Letters To Gail Vol III - 1990 Edition OCR Text (Copy)
UPLOADED 2022-03-21 - SORRY - VERY ROUGH INFO .....
ABOUT BOORSTIN ...... AND EDWARD BERNAYS
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1T4-nCUZxlc4tZJP4sKXp9Umd7tdkUjev/view
BOORSTIN
Pseudo‑events do, of course, increase our illusion of grasp on the world, what some have called the American illusion of omnipotence. Perhaps, we come to think, the world’s problems can really be settled by “statements,” by “Summit” meetings, by a competition of “prestige,” by overshadowing images, and by political quiz shows.

Once we have tasted the charm of pseudo‑events, we are tempted to believe they are the only important events. Our progress poisons the sources of our experience. And the poison tastes so sweet that it spoils our appetite for plain fact. Our seeming ability to satisfy our exaggerated expectations makes us forget that they are exaggerated. - END QUOTE

FITS THE CURRENT INFO WARS TO A T !!!

short edited summary TEXT
THE IMAGE
A Guide to Pseudo Events in America
DANIEL J. BOORSTIN
From News Gathering to News Making: A Flood of Pseudo‑Events
http://www.columbia.edu/itc/journalism/j6075/edit/boor.html

SAMPLE OF TEXT - TO COMPARE WITH TWITCHELL'S LTG III
The owners of a hotel, in an illustration offered by Edward L. Bernays in his pioneer Crystallizing Public Opinion (1923), consult a public relations counsel. They ask how to increase their hotel's prestige and so improve their business. In less sophisticated times, the answer might have been to hire a new chef, to improve the plumbing, to paint the rooms, or to install a crystal chandelier in the lobby. The public relations counsel's technique is more indirect. He proposes that the management stage a celebration of the hotel's thirtieth anniversary. A committee is formed, including a prominent banker, a leading society matron, a well‑known lawyer, an influential preacher, and an "event" is planned (say a banquet) to call attention to the distinguished service the hotel has been rendering the community. The celebration is held, photographs are taken, the occasion is widely reported, and the object is accomplished. Now this occasion is a pseudo‑event, and will illustrate all the essential features of pseudo‑events.

This celebration, we can see at the outset, is somewhat — but not entirely —misleading. Presumably the public relations counsel would not have been able to form his committee of prominent citizens if the hotel had not actually been rendering service to the community. On the other hand, if the hotel's services had been all that important, instigation by public relations counsel might not have been necessary. Once the celebration has been held, the celebration itself becomes evidence that the hotel really is a distinguished institution. The occasion actually gives the hotel the prestige to which it is pretending.

It is obvious, too, that the value of such a celebration to the owners depends on its being photographed and reported in newspapers, magazines, newsreels, on radio, and over television. It is the report that gives the event its force in the minds of potential customers. The power to make a reportable event is thus the power to make experience. One is reminded of Napoleon's apocryphal reply to his general, who objected that circumstances were unfavorable to a proposed campaign: "Bah, I make circumstances!" The modern public relations counsel —‑and he is, of course, only one of many twentieth‑century creators of pseudo‑events — has come close to fulfilling Napoleon's idle boast. "The counsel on public relations," Mr. Bernays explains, "not only knows what news value is, but knowing it, he is in a position to make news happen. He is a creator of events."

The intriguing feature of the modem situation, however, comes precisely from the fact that the modem news makers are not God. The news they make happen, the events they create, are somehow not quite real. There remains a tantalizing difference between man‑made and God‑made events.

A pseudo‑event, then, is a happening that possesses the following characteristics:

(1) It is not spontaneous, but comes about because someone has planned, planted, or incited it. Typically, it is not a train wreck or an earthquake, but an interview.

(2) It is planted primarily (not always exclusively) for the immediate purpose of being reported or reproduced. Therefore, its occurrence is arranged for the convenience of the reporting or reproducing media. Its success is measured by how widely it is reported. Time relations in it are commonly fictitious or factitious; the announcement is given out in advance "for future release" and written as if the event had occurred in the past. The question, "Is it real?" is less important than, "Is it newsworthy?"

(3) Its relation to the underlying reality of the situation is ambiguous. Its interest arises largely from this very ambiguity. Concerning a pseudo‑event the question, "What does it mean?" has a new dimension. While the news interest in a train wreck is in what happened and in the real consequences, the interest in an interview is always, in a sense, in whether it really happened and in what might have been the motives. Did the statement really mean what it said? Without some of this ambiguity a pseudo‑event cannot be very interesting.

(4) Usually it is intended to be a self‑fulfilling prophecy. The hotel's thirtieth‑anniversary celebration, by saying that the hotel is a distinguished institution, actually makes it one.

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AND IN THE BIGGER PICTURE OF TODAY'S DRAMAS .... "where fantasy is more real than reality"

UNTIL RECENTLY we have been justified in believing Abra­ham Lincoln’s familiar maxim: “You may fool all the people some of the time; you can even fool some of the people all the time; but you can’t fool all of the people all the time.” This has been the foundation‑belief of American democracy. Lincoln’s appealing slogan rests on two elementary assump­tions. First, that there is a clear and visible distinction be­tween sham and reality, between the lies a demagogue would have us believe and the truths which are there all the time. Second, that the people tend to prefer reality to sham, that if offered a choice between a simple truth and a contrived image, they will prefer the truth.

Neither of these any longer fits the facts. Not because people are less intelligent or more dishonest. Rather because great unforeseen changes — the great forward strides of American civilization — have blurred the edges of reality. The pseudo‑events which flood our consciousness are neither true nor false in the old familiar senses. The very same advances which have made them possible have also made the images — ‑however planned, contrived, or distorted — more vivid, more attractive, more, impressive, and more persuasive than reality itself.

We cannot say that we are being fooled. It is not entirely inaccurate to say that we are being “informed.” This world of ambiguity is created by those who believe they are in­structing us, by our best public servants, and with our own collaboration. Our problem is the harder to solve because it is created by people working honestly and industriously at respectable jobs. It is not created by demagogues or crooks, by conspiracy or evil purpose. The efficient mass production of pseudo‑events — in all kinds of packages, in black‑and­ white, in technicolor, in words, and in a thousand other forms — is the work of the whole machinery of our society. It is the daily product of men of good will. The media must be fed! The people must be informed! Most pleas for “more information” are therefore misguided. So long as we define information as a knowledge of pseudo‑events, “more in­formation” will simply multiply the symptoms without curing the disease.

The American citizen thus lives in a world where fantasy is more real than reality, where the image has more dignity than its original. We hardly dare face our bewilderment, because our ambiguous experience is so pleasantly iridescent, and the solace of belief in contrived reality is so thoroughly real. We have become eager accessories to the great hoaxes of the age. These are the hoaxes we play on ourselves.

Pseudo-events from their very nature tend to be the more interesting and more attractive than spontaneous events. Therefore in American public life today pseudo-events tend to drive all other kinds events out of our consciousness or at least to overshadow them. Earnest, well‑informed citizens seldom notice that their experience of spontaneous events is buried by pseudo‑events. Yet nowadays, the more industriously they work at “informing” themselves the more this tends to be true.

In his now‑classic work, Public Opinion, Walter Lipp­mann in 1922 began by distinguishing between “the world outside and the pictures in our heads.” He defined a “stereo­type” as an oversimplified pattern that helps us find meaning in the world. As examples he gave the crude “stereotypes we carry about in our heads,” of large and varied classes of people like “Germans,” “South Europeans,” “Negroes,” “Harvard men,” “agitators,” etc. The stereotype, Lippmann explained, satisfies our needs and helps us defend our preju­dices by seeming to give definiteness and consistency to our turbulent and disorderly daily experience. In one sense, of course, stereotypes — the excessively simple, but easily grasped images of racial, national, or religious groups — are only another example of pseudo‑events. But, generally speaking, they are closer to propaganda. For they simplify rather than complicate. Stereotypes narrow and limit experience in an emotionally satisfying way; but pseudo‑events embroider and dramatize experience in an interesting way. This itself makes pseudo‑events far more seductive; in­tellectually they are more defensible, more intricate, and more intriguing. To discover how the stereotype is made to unmask the sources of propaganda‑is to make the stereo­type less believable. Information about the staging of a pseudo‑event simply adds to its fascination.


ARCHIVE REF limited pages
The image : a guide to pseudo-events in America
by Boorstin, Daniel J. (Daniel Joseph), 1914-2004
Publication date 1971
First ed. published under title: The image; or, What happened to the American dream
https://archive.org/details/imageguidetopseu00boor/page/n1/mode/2up

UPDATED PDF
PLAGIARISM Letters To Gail Vol III - #120. Imagination and History PSEUDO EVENTS
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1T4-nCUZxlc4tZJP4sKXp9Umd7tdkUjev/view?usp=sharing
Etznab
2022-03-19 12:30:01 UTC
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It's not now what it was then, except for the trolls.
Years ago there were more members, more threads, more arguments, especially since the ignorance level was greater. That would be ignorance about real historical events that actually happened vs. pseudo historical events, fictions, delusions, etc.
I should try to find an example for contrast and comparison to contemporary discussion content.
Concerning "fact" vs. "fiction"; which has grown into one of the"great debates" here at a.r.e. spanning decades:

Begin quotes:

The Pseudo-Event

In The Image, or What Happened to the American Dream, Boorstin argues that the modern American experience is dominated by pseudo-events—synthetic representations of reality that society readily substitutes for the "real thing."

http://xroads.virginia.edu/~ma05/luckey/chicago/pseudo.htm

The terms “pseudo-event” and “media event” refer to the phenomenon that in modern societies many events are created with the sole aim of getting media coverage, or rather that events are staged in a way that lends itself to media coverage. Boorstin (1961) created the term “pseudo-event”.

http://www.blackwellreference.com/public/tocnode?id=g9781405131995_chunk_g978140513199518_ss36-1
Etznab
2022-03-19 12:40:15 UTC
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It's not now what it was then, except for the trolls.
Years ago there were more members, more threads, more arguments, especially since the ignorance level was greater. That would be ignorance about real historical events that actually happened vs. pseudo historical events, fictions, delusions, etc.
I should try to find an example for contrast and comparison to contemporary discussion content.
The Pseudo-Event
In The Image, or What Happened to the American Dream, Boorstin argues that the modern American experience is dominated by pseudo-events—synthetic representations of reality that society readily substitutes for the "real thing."
http://xroads.virginia.edu/~ma05/luckey/chicago/pseudo.htm
The terms “pseudo-event” and “media event” refer to the phenomenon that in modern societies many events are created with the sole aim of getting media coverage, or rather that events are staged in a way that lends itself to media coverage. Boorstin (1961) created the term “pseudo-event”.
http://www.blackwellreference.com/public/tocnode?id=g9781405131995_chunk_g978140513199518_ss36-1
http://web.archive.org/web/20160304122507/http://www.blackwellreference.com/public/tocnode?id=g9781405131995_chunk_g978140513199518_ss36-1
Henosis Sage
2022-03-19 14:04:52 UTC
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It's not now what it was then, except for the trolls.
Years ago there were more members, more threads, more arguments, especially since the ignorance level was greater. That would be ignorance about real historical events that actually happened vs. pseudo historical events, fictions, delusions, etc.
I should try to find an example for contrast and comparison to contemporary discussion content.
The Pseudo-Event
In The Image, or What Happened to the American Dream, Boorstin argues that the modern American experience is dominated by pseudo-events—synthetic representations of reality that society readily substitutes for the "real thing."
http://xroads.virginia.edu/~ma05/luckey/chicago/pseudo.htm
The terms “pseudo-event” and “media event” refer to the phenomenon that in modern societies many events are created with the sole aim of getting media coverage, or rather that events are staged in a way that lends itself to media coverage. Boorstin (1961) created the term “pseudo-event”.
http://www.blackwellreference.com/public/tocnode?id=g9781405131995_chunk_g978140513199518_ss36-1
http://web.archive.org/web/20160304122507/http://www.blackwellreference.com/public/tocnode?id=g9781405131995_chunk_g978140513199518_ss36-1
Bright future turned out to not be so bright after all.

Turned out to be yet another pseudo-event.

Like craziy imaginations of people pooping their pants from Matt Sharpes twisted mind [kinpa] and fanatical crusades by the nutcase John Clark now known as "Opus-Dei" against the Catholics the Jesuits and Opus Dei and Etznab and me

ROFL .... idiotic delusional trolls are like that.
Henosis Sage
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It's not now what it was then, except for the trolls.
Years ago there were more members, more threads, more arguments, especially since the ignorance level was greater. That would be ignorance about real historical events that actually happened vs. pseudo historical events, fictions, delusions, etc.
I should try to find an example for contrast and comparison to contemporary discussion content.
The Pseudo-Event
In The Image, or What Happened to the American Dream, Boorstin argues that the modern American experience is dominated by pseudo-events—synthetic representations of reality that society readily substitutes for the "real thing."
http://xroads.virginia.edu/~ma05/luckey/chicago/pseudo.htm
The terms “pseudo-event” and “media event” refer to the phenomenon that in modern societies many events are created with the sole aim of getting media coverage, or rather that events are staged in a way that lends itself to media coverage. Boorstin (1961) created the term “pseudo-event”.
http://www.blackwellreference.com/public/tocnode?id=g9781405131995_chunk_g978140513199518_ss36-1
http://web.archive.org/web/20160304122507/http://www.blackwellreference.com/public/tocnode?id=g9781405131995_chunk_g978140513199518_ss36-1
Bright future turned out to not be so bright after all.
Turned out to be yet another pseudo-event.
Like craziy imaginations of people pooping their pants from Matt Sharpes twisted mind [kinpa] and fanatical crusades by the nutcase John Clark now known as "Opus-Dei" against the Catholics the Jesuits and Opus Dei and Etznab and me
ROFL .... idiotic delusional trolls are like that.
ABOUT BOORSTIN ......
http://web.archive.org/web/20160304122507/http://www.blackwellreference.com/public/tocnode?id=g9781405131995_chunk_g978140513199518_ss36-1

PLAGIARISM REF
Boorstin's 1961 book, The Image.
http://tinyurl.com/as88ksd
p. 11 in Boorstin's book with p. 75 (last para) LTG III.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-M0yAR0UPhPd0IxM1pHNGxGaGc/view?resourcekey=0-a_YYAbqo9BsmznyfC6uuag
SEE PAGE 19 btm right record

google books
https://books.google.com.au/books?id=_tAVkg75s0MC&pg=PA10&lpg=PA10&dq=%22It+is+the+report+that+gives+the+event+its+force%22&source=bl&ots=oRshBi-Wi_&sig=E1kt0BSBjeDxEiYdORgFPhpK3dM&hl=en&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=God&f=false
The Image: A Guide to Pseudo-Events in America
Front Cover
Daniel J. Boorstin
Knopf Doubleday Publishing Group, 9 May 2012

"First published in 1962, this wonderfully provocative book introduced the notion of “pseudo-events”—events such as press conferences and presidential debates, which are manufactured solely in order to be reported—and the contemporary definition of celebrity as “a person who is known for his well-knownness.” Since then Daniel J. Boorstin’s prophetic vision of an America inundated by its own illusions has become an essential resource for any reader who wants to distinguish the manifold deceptions of our culture from its few enduring truths. "

CLEARLY FITS AMERICAS GLOBAL REACH TODAY .... AND THE TIDAL PUSHBACKS OCCURRING WITHIN THE USA WHERE ANYONE CAN USE LIES AND DIGITAL SOCIAL MEDIA TO CREATE MASSIVE FALSE BELIEFS -- EG RUSSIAGATE -- AND JAN 6 LIKE PSEUDO EVENTS ABOUT FRAUDULENT COUNTING OF ELECTIONS -- AND NOW THE LIES ABOUT RUSSIA UKRAINE CHINA AND OTHERS ...... INTERNALLY NOW HOWEVER AMERICA IS LIKE A SCORPION WHOSE TAIL IS STINGING ITSELF TO DEATH

MUCH LIKE TWITCHELL THE LYING MANIPULATOR OF HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS
.... KNOWN FOR BEING KNOWN, BEING PROLIFIC IN PSEUDO CIRCLES - NEW AGE SCI-FI MAGS ETC.

WHERE HE STATED HE NEEDED TO MAKE HIMSELF AN HISTORIC FIGURE TO GET ECKANKAR NOTICED ...

ECKANKAR ITSELF IS PSEUDO EVENT --- HAROLD A PSEUDO INTELLECTUAL -- MARMAN A PSEUDO EXPERT OF FICTIONSAL BULLSHIT AND MAKE BELIEVE FALSEHOODS OF NON-MASTERS OF NON-LINEAGES OF NOTHINGNESS.


PLAGAIARISM
p. 10/11 in Boorstin's book with p. 75 (last para) LTG III.
"It is the report that gives the event its force"
https://books.google.com.au/books?id=V6N2AAAAMAAJ&dq=%22It%20is%20the%20report%20that%20gives%20the%20event%20its%20force%22&source=gbs_book_other_versions

LTGIII
120 Imagination and History
NOTE BOTTOM OF PAGE 75 BEGINS BOORSTIN COPYING
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-M0yAR0UPhPNk1qRWQwNWp2bXM/view?resourcekey=0-dbiVx_ayNn9aj58UtLbJdw

February 29, 1964

My Dearest One:

Imagination and history go hand in hand. The ability of the
individual to create circumstances which influence millions is
one of the miracles of our times. The so-called public-relations
experts of this age are miracle workers, creating events and
circumstances for the promotion of movie stars, books, movies,
political events, campaigns, and a half hundred other things we
read about in the newspapers.

When a circumstance is created, e.g., a celebration for a
hotel's anniversary, it is obvious that the value of the celebra-
tion to the owners depends on its being photographed and re-
ported in the newspapers and magazines, on the radio, and on
SEE https://books.google.com.au/books?id=V6N2AAAAMAAJ&dq=%22It+is+the+report+that+gives+the+event+its+force%22&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=%22power+to+make+a+reportable+event+%22

television. It is the report that gives the event its force in the
minds of potential customers. The power to make a reportable
event is thus the power to make experience.
SEE https://books.google.com.au/books?id=V6N2AAAAMAAJ&dq=%22It+is+the+report+that+gives+the+event+its+force%22&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=%22power+to+make+a+reportable+event+%22

One is reminded
of Napoleon's apocryphal reply to his general, who objected
that circumstances were unfavorable to a proposed campaign.
Napoleon said that he made circumstances! The modern
public-relations counsel-and he is, of course, only one of
many twentieth-century creators of pseudoevents-has come QUOTE BY EDWARD BERNAYS -- PUBLIC RELATIONS GURU
close to fulfilling Napoleon's idle boast.
SEE https://books.google.com.au/books?id=V6N2AAAAMAAJ&dq=%22It+is+the+report+that+gives+the+event+its+force%22&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=%22to+make+news+happen+%22

So you find that throughout history the leader who knew the
value of news also knew that to be in the position to make news
happen was as important, and often more so. He was a creator
of events.
SEE https://books.google.com.au/books?id=V6N2AAAAMAAJ&dq=%22It+is+the+report+that+gives+the+event+its+force%22&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=%22to+make+news+happen+%22

So this creator of events must have a strong irnagina-
tion. He is an intriguing feature of situations existing in every
age; yet he is not God. The news he makes happen, the events
he creates, are somehow not quite real. There remains a tanta-
lizing difference between man-made and God-made events.

These man-made events are pseudoevents, while those con-
cerned with God are spontaneous, resulting from the evolution
of nature. A man-made event comes about because somebody
planned, planted, or incited it. Typically, it is not a train wreck

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or an earthquake, but an interview. This is the difference be-
tween hard news and soft news in the newspaper field.

You can examine history and its leading figures (for history
is made by people, except for the history of nature through evo-
lution), and it is found that every conqueror, dictator: and ty-
rant used the principle of pseudoevents. The created crises are

pseudoevents upon which the leaders survive, including the
present president of the United States and down to the leader
of the smallest group. A circumstance must be created which
he, the leader, is capable of' solving. And if he can't solve it,
then he will divert the attention of his followers to another
pseudoevent which is greater or lay the blame upon some
group. Newspapers are the worst dealers in pseudoevents,
often concocting stories for headlines in order to gain reader-
ship. Hearst's false stories about the Spanish control of Cuba in
'98 helped start a war. Most stories you read in the papers and

magazines are pseudoevents concocted by a reporter and know-
ingly accepted by the publisher and editor. Often a complete
campaign, which is based wholly on pseudoinformation, is car-
ried on by a newspaper.

The celebrity, including such a one as Julius Caesar, is a
pseudoimage, He created his well-knownness, and the public
accepts him that way. Caesar built his own image into that of a
great leader-and in order to do this he established himself as
a general who could win wars, although most of his wars were
not actually winners. He had the ability to hide his defeats and
thus make himself a hero, or what we know as a celebrity
today. Napoleon used the same techniques-and though a loser
in most of his campaigns, established his irnage as that of a
great leader, and all France accepted this.

Now you will find that people love to be led. This is one of
the things which all leaders learn early in life-that a person
likes to be ordered about because it saves him from thinking
about what to do. All leaders are people clothed with authority,
and so they act it out although they don't say it out loud. Take

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the case of Reverend Becker, who keeps telling us that she is
-- SAN FRAN - GOLDEN GATE SPIRITUALIST CHURCH w GAIL in tow - https://ggspiritualistchurch.org/reverend.html

modest, knows little, and has nothing. But she doesn't act this
way-she speaks and acts with authority-and by looking at
all leaders, Napoleon, Gandhi, Akbar, Sudar Singh, and others,
you see how they act.

Reverend Becker gave you the clue the other night when
she said that you spoke to people silently, not openly, when
wanting them to do something; that you didn't order somebody
openly and have a quarrel with the senses. This is true, and
this is why the leaders hardly ever order you to do something
openly-they speak to you through the invisible by putting up
the image of your acting as they want you to. So it comes back
to one thing which I am trying to put across-that the history
of the human race is one of pseudoevents. Take the study of the
Roman Empire. Its leaders were the ones who made the history
of the nation; take the history of the Catholic Church and you
will find the same thing. Many of the stories told about the
saints, of their miracles, etc., are pseudoevent stories; the pur-
pose is to create a worshipful audience. The history of the
saints is filled with myths and legends, and myths and legends
are actually pseudonews. On a more modern scale are the
movie stars who are the result of similar treatment-pseudo-
news is created about them, their personal lives, public lives,
religion, philosophy, and deeds.

If you examine the life of Abraham Lincoln, you find that
much of his image is synthetic, The starting crisis of the Civil
War was a pseudoevent. It is one of the worst examples in the
history of the U.S. George Washington's history is also a syn-
thetic image. But the people accept this, and now that the com-
munists have learned the trick, they are using it also to outwit
the people of the world. A synthetic image of the communist
power and goodness is being fastened upon the people whose
educational level is not high.

How does this fit into imagination and history? Very sim-
ply, for the imaginative faculty can be used for good or bad. It -- GOOD OR BAD

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makes little difference to the ECK power how it is used. This
ECK power, which is used or channeled through the imagina-
tive faculty, is raw material and brings the user up against any

event that he desires, provided he uses the techniques for doing
this. The events are already there for him to use-although
pseudoevents are not! The latter must be planned, planted, or
incited-and this is why they are different from those estab-
lished by God in a finished kingdom. Understand this? I
explained previously in this letter the difference between God-
made events and pseudoevents. God-made events are already
created, and you must experience them. Pseudoevents are
planned, etc., by man-therefore, they are man-made events.
I intend to give a discussion on the pseudoimage of religions
soon.
More later.

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