What is Paul Twitchell's current role in Eckankar? Part 2

[Advice Team]

[Continued from Part 1]

So Twitchell's strategy, along with the (un)friendly monks in Tibetan monastery he basically works for, and has done since the early 1960s, is to build a study group. If Ron Hubbard can do it, so can Twitch.

Hmmmm. Is that really going to work, Twitch?

One problem is Hubbard had a good commercial method that survived changes in cult styles. It's mind- and pseudo-science based. (Overlooking the alien planetary stuff).

Eckankar has no method that is anchored in popular culture. It did in the 1960s. It used Hindu mysticism as popular method, because of its popularity with the public through eg the Beatles. The real Eckankar was never Hindu. The real Eckankar was always about power and its use, through magic, ie Tibetan magic thinking.

So how is Twitch going to overcome these disadvantages?

Simple, Twitch's plan is to re-locate Eckankar largely off-physical. Its physical world links will be online. But the real action will be off-physical, in contact with spirits, Tibetan monks, Twitch.

If that sounds like your thing, just be sure you look at it carefully before jumping in. Twitch is a trigger-happy control freak under the mild philosopher cover. If you annoy him, he may decide to stab you with a black occult sword in the heart. Or attach draining pipes to your stomach, and drain you all night.

These are unfortunate facts that we are unfortunately familiar with.

Bottom line: Twitch, not Klemp or Kunin, runs Eckankar. He is quite the maniac when he gets going.

So, if you are not 100% committed to whatever Twitch may decide to subject you to, our advice is, leave now. The transition will be complete within about one year.

[Maplin]

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[Continued from Part 1]
So Twitchell's strategy, along with the (un)friendly monks in Tibetan monastery he basically works for, and has done since the early 1960s, is to build a study group. If Ron Hubbard can do it, so can Twitch.
Hmmmm. Is that really going to work, Twitch?
One problem is Hubbard had a good commercial method that survived changes in cult styles. It's mind- and pseudo-science based. (Overlooking the alien planetary stuff).
Eckankar has no method that is anchored in popular culture. It did in the 1960s. It used Hindu mysticism as popular method, because of its popularity with the public through eg the Beatles. The real Eckankar was never Hindu. The real Eckankar was always about power and its use, through magic, ie Tibetan magic thinking.
So how is Twitch going to overcome these disadvantages?
Simple, Twitch's plan is to re-locate Eckankar largely off-physical. Its physical world links will be online. But the real action will be off-physical, in contact with spirits, Tibetan monks, Twitch.
If that sounds like your thing, just be sure you look at it carefully before jumping in. Twitch is a trigger-happy control freak under the mild philosopher cover. If you annoy him, he may decide to stab you with a black occult sword in the heart. Or attach draining pipes to your stomach, and drain you all night.
These are unfortunate facts that we are unfortunately familiar with.
Bottom line: Twitch, not Klemp or Kunin, runs Eckankar. He is quite the maniac when he gets going.
So, if you are not 100% committed to whatever Twitch may decide to subject you to, our advice is, leave now. The transition will be complete within about one year.

I'm curious, when was this post written? It talks about Paul Twitchell
in the present tense and very much as a living entity... was this either
written long ago or is the position that Twitchell is indeed alive and
well to this day? That;d make him how old?

Hubbard certainly wasn't what you'd have perceived him to be if all you
knew about him was what you'd heard through scientology... his
pre-Dianetics days are very interesting background to a study of
scientology, as he was definitely connected to a well-documented occult
movement of the mid-century period, with roots to an established scene
going further back than that. This article draws parallels between
Hubbard's occult origins and Paul Twitchell. Hubbard was in touch with
Crowley and his cronies, the Golden Dawn, and appears to have in fact
had more of a commitment to that than CoS except that CoS was his cash
cow, and some sources claim that it was his means to advancement within
the occult orders he followed - to attain higher ranks with the
Crowleyist types he needed to enslave others to do his bidding, which
some authors say was the true purpose of scientology.

Interestingly there are other links between this aspect of Hubbard's
life and the American pulp and sci-fi writers' scene too, from what I
was able to make out. I haven't read into this for a while but if it
seems relevant I might have to dig it up again.
Not right now though... I turn 50 in a matter of hours :) Later

[Henosis Sage]

Post by Maplin

Post by Advice Team
[Continued from Part 1]
So Twitchell's strategy, along with the (un)friendly monks in Tibetan monastery he basically works for, and has done since the early 1960s, is to build a study group. If Ron Hubbard can do it, so can Twitch.
Hmmmm. Is that really going to work, Twitch?
One problem is Hubbard had a good commercial method that survived changes in cult styles. It's mind- and pseudo-science based. (Overlooking the alien planetary stuff).
Eckankar has no method that is anchored in popular culture. It did in the 1960s. It used Hindu mysticism as popular method, because of its popularity with the public through eg the Beatles. The real Eckankar was never Hindu. The real Eckankar was always about power and its use, through magic, ie Tibetan magic thinking.
So how is Twitch going to overcome these disadvantages?
Simple, Twitch's plan is to re-locate Eckankar largely off-physical. Its physical world links will be online. But the real action will be off-physical, in contact with spirits, Tibetan monks, Twitch.
If that sounds like your thing, just be sure you look at it carefully before jumping in. Twitch is a trigger-happy control freak under the mild philosopher cover. If you annoy him, he may decide to stab you with a black occult sword in the heart. Or attach draining pipes to your stomach, and drain you all night.
These are unfortunate facts that we are unfortunately familiar with.
Bottom line: Twitch, not Klemp or Kunin, runs Eckankar. He is quite the maniac when he gets going.
So, if you are not 100% committed to whatever Twitch may decide to subject you to, our advice is, leave now. The transition will be complete within about one year.

I'm curious, when was this post written? It talks about Paul Twitchell
in the present tense and very much as a living entity... was this either
written long ago or is the position that Twitchell is indeed alive and
well to this day? That;d make him how old?
Hubbard certainly wasn't what you'd have perceived him to be if all you
knew about him was what you'd heard through scientology... his
pre-Dianetics days are very interesting background to a study of
scientology, as he was definitely connected to a well-documented occult
movement of the mid-century period, with roots to an established scene
going further back than that. This article draws parallels between
Hubbard's occult origins and Paul Twitchell. Hubbard was in touch with
Crowley and his cronies, the Golden Dawn, and appears to have in fact
had more of a commitment to that than CoS except that CoS was his cash
cow, and some sources claim that it was his means to advancement within
the occult orders he followed - to attain higher ranks with the
Crowleyist types he needed to enslave others to do his bidding, which
some authors say was the true purpose of scientology.
Interestingly there are other links between this aspect of Hubbard's
life and the American pulp and sci-fi writers' scene too, from what I
was able to make out. I haven't read into this for a while but if it
seems relevant I might have to dig it up again.
Not right now though... I turn 50 in a matter of hours :) Later

Happy Birthday!!! :-)

[Maplin]

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Post by Maplin

Post by Advice Team
[Continued from Part 1]
So Twitchell's strategy, along with the (un)friendly monks in Tibetan monastery he basically works for, and has done since the early 1960s, is to build a study group. If Ron Hubbard can do it, so can Twitch.
Hmmmm. Is that really going to work, Twitch?
One problem is Hubbard had a good commercial method that survived changes in cult styles. It's mind- and pseudo-science based. (Overlooking the alien planetary stuff).
Eckankar has no method that is anchored in popular culture. It did in the 1960s. It used Hindu mysticism as popular method, because of its popularity with the public through eg the Beatles. The real Eckankar was never Hindu. The real Eckankar was always about power and its use, through magic, ie Tibetan magic thinking.
So how is Twitch going to overcome these disadvantages?
Simple, Twitch's plan is to re-locate Eckankar largely off-physical. Its physical world links will be online. But the real action will be off-physical, in contact with spirits, Tibetan monks, Twitch.
If that sounds like your thing, just be sure you look at it carefully before jumping in. Twitch is a trigger-happy control freak under the mild philosopher cover. If you annoy him, he may decide to stab you with a black occult sword in the heart. Or attach draining pipes to your stomach, and drain you all night.
These are unfortunate facts that we are unfortunately familiar with.
Bottom line: Twitch, not Klemp or Kunin, runs Eckankar. He is quite the maniac when he gets going.
So, if you are not 100% committed to whatever Twitch may decide to subject you to, our advice is, leave now. The transition will be complete within about one year.

I'm curious, when was this post written? It talks about Paul Twitchell
in the present tense and very much as a living entity... was this either
written long ago or is the position that Twitchell is indeed alive and
well to this day? That;d make him how old?
Hubbard certainly wasn't what you'd have perceived him to be if all you
knew about him was what you'd heard through scientology... his
pre-Dianetics days are very interesting background to a study of
scientology, as he was definitely connected to a well-documented occult
movement of the mid-century period, with roots to an established scene
going further back than that. This article draws parallels between
Hubbard's occult origins and Paul Twitchell. Hubbard was in touch with
Crowley and his cronies, the Golden Dawn, and appears to have in fact
had more of a commitment to that than CoS except that CoS was his cash
cow, and some sources claim that it was his means to advancement within
the occult orders he followed - to attain higher ranks with the
Crowleyist types he needed to enslave others to do his bidding, which
some authors say was the true purpose of scientology.
Interestingly there are other links between this aspect of Hubbard's
life and the American pulp and sci-fi writers' scene too, from what I
was able to make out. I haven't read into this for a while but if it
seems relevant I might have to dig it up again.
Not right now though... I turn 50 in a matter of hours :) Later

Happy Birthday!!! :-)

Ha, you noticed... thanks!

[Maplin]

Post by Advice Team
[Continued from Part 1]
So Twitchell's strategy, along with the (un)friendly monks in Tibetan monastery he basically works for, and has done since the early 1960s, is to build a study group. If Ron Hubbard can do it, so can Twitch.
Hmmmm. Is that really going to work, Twitch?
One problem is Hubbard had a good commercial method that survived changes in cult styles. It's mind- and pseudo-science based. (Overlooking the alien planetary stuff).
Eckankar has no method that is anchored in popular culture. It did in the 1960s. It used Hindu mysticism as popular method, because of its popularity with the public through eg the Beatles. The real Eckankar was never Hindu. The real Eckankar was always about power and its use, through magic, ie Tibetan magic thinking.
So how is Twitch going to overcome these disadvantages?
Simple, Twitch's plan is to re-locate Eckankar largely off-physical. Its physical world links will be online. But the real action will be off-physical, in contact with spirits, Tibetan monks, Twitch.
If that sounds like your thing, just be sure you look at it carefully before jumping in. Twitch is a trigger-happy control freak under the mild philosopher cover. If you annoy him, he may decide to stab you with a black occult sword in the heart. Or attach draining pipes to your stomach, and drain you all night.
These are unfortunate facts that we are unfortunately familiar with.
Bottom line: Twitch, not Klemp or Kunin, runs Eckankar. He is quite the maniac when he gets going.
So, if you are not 100% committed to whatever Twitch may decide to subject you to, our advice is, leave now. The transition will be complete within about one year.

Out of curiosity, do you write the ffcas.net pages? Such as this one -
http://www.ffcas.net/death-threats-from-eckankar ?

[Advice Team]

Post by Maplin

Post by Advice Team
[Continued from Part 1]
So Twitchell's strategy, along with the (un)friendly monks in Tibetan monastery he basically works for, and has done since the early 1960s, is to build a study group. If Ron Hubbard can do it, so can Twitch.
Hmmmm. Is that really going to work, Twitch?
One problem is Hubbard had a good commercial method that survived changes in cult styles. It's mind- and pseudo-science based. (Overlooking the alien planetary stuff).
Eckankar has no method that is anchored in popular culture. It did in the 1960s. It used Hindu mysticism as popular method, because of its popularity with the public through eg the Beatles. The real Eckankar was never Hindu. The real Eckankar was always about power and its use, through magic, ie Tibetan magic thinking.
So how is Twitch going to overcome these disadvantages?
Simple, Twitch's plan is to re-locate Eckankar largely off-physical. Its physical world links will be online. But the real action will be off-physical, in contact with spirits, Tibetan monks, Twitch.
If that sounds like your thing, just be sure you look at it carefully before jumping in. Twitch is a trigger-happy control freak under the mild philosopher cover. If you annoy him, he may decide to stab you with a black occult sword in the heart. Or attach draining pipes to your stomach, and drain you all night.
These are unfortunate facts that we are unfortunately familiar with.
Bottom line: Twitch, not Klemp or Kunin, runs Eckankar. He is quite the maniac when he gets going.
So, if you are not 100% committed to whatever Twitch may decide to subject you to, our advice is, leave now. The transition will be complete within about one year.

Out of curiosity, do you write the ffcas.net pages? Such as this one -
http://www.ffcas.net/death-threats-from-eckankar ?

Ok. So you don't know about the death threats in the Eckankar cult?

[Maplin]

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Post by Maplin

Post by Advice Team
[Continued from Part 1]
So Twitchell's strategy, along with the (un)friendly monks in Tibetan monastery he basically works for, and has done since the early 1960s, is to build a study group. If Ron Hubbard can do it, so can Twitch.
Hmmmm. Is that really going to work, Twitch?
One problem is Hubbard had a good commercial method that survived changes in cult styles. It's mind- and pseudo-science based. (Overlooking the alien planetary stuff).
Eckankar has no method that is anchored in popular culture. It did in the 1960s. It used Hindu mysticism as popular method, because of its popularity with the public through eg the Beatles. The real Eckankar was never Hindu. The real Eckankar was always about power and its use, through magic, ie Tibetan magic thinking.
So how is Twitch going to overcome these disadvantages?
Simple, Twitch's plan is to re-locate Eckankar largely off-physical. Its physical world links will be online. But the real action will be off-physical, in contact with spirits, Tibetan monks, Twitch.
If that sounds like your thing, just be sure you look at it carefully before jumping in. Twitch is a trigger-happy control freak under the mild philosopher cover. If you annoy him, he may decide to stab you with a black occult sword in the heart. Or attach draining pipes to your stomach, and drain you all night.
These are unfortunate facts that we are unfortunately familiar with.
Bottom line: Twitch, not Klemp or Kunin, runs Eckankar. He is quite the maniac when he gets going.
So, if you are not 100% committed to whatever Twitch may decide to subject you to, our advice is, leave now. The transition will be complete within about one year.

Out of curiosity, do you write the ffcas.net pages? Such as this one -
http://www.ffcas.net/death-threats-from-eckankar ?

Ok. So you don't know about the death threats in the Eckankar cult?

No I wouldn't know about that, I'm nowhere near closely enough involved
to hear about those things. If there's any other documentation on it I'd
be interested to give it a read.
So is the ffcas site written by one person or are the articles
contributed by people from all around?

[Maplin]

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Post by Maplin

Post by Advice Team
[Continued from Part 1]
So Twitchell's strategy, along with the (un)friendly monks in Tibetan monastery he basically works for, and has done since the early 1960s, is to build a study group. If Ron Hubbard can do it, so can Twitch.
Hmmmm. Is that really going to work, Twitch?
One problem is Hubbard had a good commercial method that survived changes in cult styles. It's mind- and pseudo-science based. (Overlooking the alien planetary stuff).
Eckankar has no method that is anchored in popular culture. It did in the 1960s. It used Hindu mysticism as popular method, because of its popularity with the public through eg the Beatles. The real Eckankar was never Hindu. The real Eckankar was always about power and its use, through magic, ie Tibetan magic thinking.
So how is Twitch going to overcome these disadvantages?
Simple, Twitch's plan is to re-locate Eckankar largely off-physical. Its physical world links will be online. But the real action will be off-physical, in contact with spirits, Tibetan monks, Twitch.
If that sounds like your thing, just be sure you look at it carefully before jumping in. Twitch is a trigger-happy control freak under the mild philosopher cover. If you annoy him, he may decide to stab you with a black occult sword in the heart. Or attach draining pipes to your stomach, and drain you all night.
These are unfortunate facts that we are unfortunately familiar with.
Bottom line: Twitch, not Klemp or Kunin, runs Eckankar. He is quite the maniac when he gets going.
So, if you are not 100% committed to whatever Twitch may decide to subject you to, our advice is, leave now. The transition will be complete within about one year.

Out of curiosity, do you write the ffcas.net pages? Such as this one -
http://www.ffcas.net/death-threats-from-eckankar ?

Ok. So you don't know about the death threats in the Eckankar cult?

No I don't but that article was saying that the writer intended to
initiate court proceedings re. death threats, but the only claimed
threats in that web page were the writer's visions and dreams. I just
wanted to know who exactly wrote the article and whether they had any
more evidence of these threats that the article didn't mention,
something in writing or something witnessed by others. We all know what
an actual court of law is going to expect by way of evidence and how the
judge would react to what I would consider as...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spectral_evidence