Future plans of Eckankar leadership

The EIO future plans are that Harold Klemp will step down, and there will be no more LEM. Instead, Eckankar will be a study group. It will focus on communication through spiritual exercises and dreams.
To initiates, it will remarket itself as a modern mystery school (out of Egypt).
It will gradually withdraw from the public until it is entirely secret.
This is the complete failure of Twitchell's model for the group. Klemp has literally been disastrous, losing all the members and money Darwin Gross brought in. Wasting the money on buildings, instead of building the membership. But Klemp is too retiring for the job.
It also reflects major social changes coming in, pushing society far to the right in terms of social control.

Hi.

Who is your source for this change?

or are you merely positing likely possibilities you think are coming?

thx

Henosis Sage

2021-05-19 08:00:26 UTC

The EIO future plans are that Harold Klemp will step down, and there will be no more LEM. Instead, Eckankar will be a study group. It will focus on communication through spiritual exercises and dreams.
To initiates, it will remarket itself as a modern mystery school (out of Egypt).
It will gradually withdraw from the public until it is entirely secret.
This is the complete failure of Twitchell's model for the group. Klemp has literally been disastrous, losing all the members and money Darwin Gross brought in. Wasting the money on buildings, instead of building the membership. But Klemp is too retiring for the job.
It also reflects major social changes coming in, pushing society far to the right in terms of social control.

Hi.
Who is your source for this change?
or are you merely positing likely possibilities you think are coming?
thx

Doesn't matter. I see you ref'd the recent eck special event videos as your 'source'

was it a particular video ??

Etznab

2021-05-19 10:55:13 UTC

The EIO future plans are that Harold Klemp will step down, and there will be no more LEM. Instead, Eckankar will be a study group. It will focus on communication through spiritual exercises and dreams.
To initiates, it will remarket itself as a modern mystery school (out of Egypt).
It will gradually withdraw from the public until it is entirely secret.
This is the complete failure of Twitchell's model for the group. Klemp has literally been disastrous, losing all the members and money Darwin Gross brought in. Wasting the money on buildings, instead of building the membership. But Klemp is too retiring for the job.
It also reflects major social changes coming in, pushing society far to the right in terms of social control.

Hi.
Who is your source for this change?
or are you merely positing likely possibilities you think are coming?
thx

Doesn't matter. I see you ref'd the recent eck special event videos as your 'source'
was it a particular video ??

I didn't see any particular Eckankar video that mentioned what Advice Team alleged. In fact, I couldn't even access the link without first signing in to Google. And even after that, it was just a Youtube page of videos; none (that I could see) to do with Eckankar.

Maplin

2021-05-19 16:32:49 UTC

The EIO future plans are that Harold Klemp will step down, and there will be no more LEM. Instead, Eckankar will be a study group. It will focus on communication through spiritual exercises and dreams.
To initiates, it will remarket itself as a modern mystery school (out of Egypt).
It will gradually withdraw from the public until it is entirely secret.
This is the complete failure of Twitchell's model for the group. Klemp has literally been disastrous, losing all the members and money Darwin Gross brought in. Wasting the money on buildings, instead of building the membership. But Klemp is too retiring for the job.
It also reflects major social changes coming in, pushing society far to the right in terms of social control.

Hi.
Who is your source for this change?
or are you merely positing likely possibilities you think are coming?
thx

Doesn't matter. I see you ref'd the recent eck special event videos as your 'source'
was it a particular video ??

Posting the way I do through an older-style non-web newsreader, I don't
see any links at all, must be a google thing. I've noticed this about
"Advice Team" before, he/they post something and don't reply to any
queries, or even seem to read them... a little like our friend HRB. I'd
still like to know if the same person posts under Advice Team as writes
the web pages on the ffcas.net site, or who else writes those
interesting articles. I wonder how the court case went, about the death
threats.... some of the evidence would have set an interesting legal
precedent if it went ahead. But when I asked nobody wanted to reply.

Maplin

2021-05-19 16:34:13 UTC

The EIO future plans are that Harold Klemp will step down, and there will be no more LEM. Instead, Eckankar will be a study group. It will focus on communication through spiritual exercises and dreams.
To initiates, it will remarket itself as a modern mystery school (out of Egypt).
It will gradually withdraw from the public until it is entirely secret.
This is the complete failure of Twitchell's model for the group. Klemp has literally been disastrous, losing all the members and money Darwin Gross brought in. Wasting the money on buildings, instead of building the membership. But Klemp is too retiring for the job.
It also reflects major social changes coming in, pushing society far to the right in terms of social control.

Hi.
Who is your source for this change?
or are you merely positing likely possibilities you think are coming?
thx

Doesn't matter. I see you ref'd the recent eck special event videos as your 'source'
was it a particular video ??

Now I get it, the link to the video was in Advice Team's earlier thread.
Advice Team hasn't been big on following up on replies to his/their
posts lately.

Etznab

2021-05-21 00:55:10 UTC

The EIO future plans are that Harold Klemp will step down, and there will be no more LEM. Instead, Eckankar will be a study group. It will focus on communication through spiritual exercises and dreams.
To initiates, it will remarket itself as a modern mystery school (out of Egypt).
It will gradually withdraw from the public until it is entirely secret.
This is the complete failure of Twitchell's model for the group. Klemp has literally been disastrous, losing all the members and money Darwin Gross brought in. Wasting the money on buildings, instead of building the membership. But Klemp is too retiring for the job.
It also reflects major social changes coming in, pushing society far to the right in terms of social control.

Hi.
Who is your source for this change?
or are you merely positing likely possibilities you think are coming?
thx

Doesn't matter. I see you ref'd the recent eck special event videos as your 'source'
was it a particular video ??

How did you see that? I didn't see the eck special event videos as a reference source.

No matter.

wernertrp

2021-05-19 16:54:21 UTC

The EIO future plans are that Harold Klemp will step down, and there will be no more LEM. Instead, Eckankar will be a study group. It will focus on communication through spiritual exercises and dreams.
To initiates, it will remarket itself as a modern mystery school (out of Egypt).
It will gradually withdraw from the public until it is entirely secret.
This is the complete failure of Twitchell's model for the group. Klemp has literally been disastrous, losing all the members and money Darwin Gross brought in. Wasting the money on buildings, instead of building the membership. But Klemp is too retiring for the job.
It also reflects major social changes coming in, pushing society far to the right in terms of social control.

Hi.
Who is your source for this change?
or are you merely positing likely possibilities you think are coming?
thx

This is a good idea:
a modern mystery school (out of Egypt).

Etznab

2021-05-19 20:56:08 UTC

The EIO future plans are that Harold Klemp will step down, and there will be no more LEM. Instead, Eckankar will be a study group. It will focus on communication through spiritual exercises and dreams.
To initiates, it will remarket itself as a modern mystery school (out of Egypt).
It will lgradually withdraw from the public until it is entirely secret.
This is the complete failure of Twitchell's model for the group. Klemp has literally been disastrous, losing all the members and money Darwin Gross brought in. Wasting the money on buildings, instead of building the membership. But Klemp is too retiring for the job.
It also reflects major social changes coming in, pushing society far to the right in terms of social control.

This one?

fife

2021-05-19 22:59:21 UTC

The EIO future plans are that Harold Klemp will step down, and there will be no more LEM. Instead, Eckankar will be a study group. It will focus on communication through spiritual exercises and dreams.
To initiates, it will remarket itself as a modern mystery school (out of Egypt).
It will lgradually withdraw from the public until it is entirely secret.
This is the complete failure of Twitchell's model for the group. Klemp has literally been disastrous, losing all the members and money Darwin Gross brought in. Wasting the money on buildings, instead of building the membership. But Klemp is too retiring for the job.
It also reflects major social changes coming in, pushing society far to the right in terms of social control.

This one?
http://youtu.be/FvGBbqzrPcU

Is that Joe Sykes in the video?

wernertrp

2021-05-20 17:41:00 UTC

Post by fife

The EIO future plans are that Harold Klemp will step down, and there will be no more LEM. Instead, Eckankar will be a study group. It will focus on communication through spiritual exercises and dreams.
To initiates, it will remarket itself as a modern mystery school (out of Egypt).
It will lgradually withdraw from the public until it is entirely secret.
This is the complete failure of Twitchell's model for the group. Klemp has literally been disastrous, losing all the members and money Darwin Gross brought in. Wasting the money on buildings, instead of building the membership. But Klemp is too retiring for the job.
It also reflects major social changes coming in, pushing society far to the right in terms of social control.

This one?
http://youtu.be/FvGBbqzrPcU

Is that Joe Sykes in the video?

yes he is Sykes

Ist das alles auf Sykes Mist gewachsen dieses Mystery School Zeug ?

Henosis Sage

2021-05-20 06:23:47 UTC

The EIO future plans are that Harold Klemp will step down, and there will be no more LEM. Instead, Eckankar will be a study group. It will focus on communication through spiritual exercises and dreams.
To initiates, it will remarket itself as a modern mystery school (out of Egypt).
It will lgradually withdraw from the public until it is entirely secret.
This is the complete failure of Twitchell's model for the group. Klemp has literally been disastrous, losing all the members and money Darwin Gross brought in. Wasting the money on buildings, instead of building the membership. But Klemp is too retiring for the job.
It also reflects major social changes coming in, pushing society far to the right in terms of social control.

This one?
http://youtu.be/FvGBbqzrPcU

3

and here is the eckankar "event" link which I think is what advice is referring to.
https://event.ecksouladventure.org

wernertrp

2021-05-20 07:27:06 UTC

The EIO future plans are that Harold Klemp will step down, and there will be no more LEM. Instead, Eckankar will be a study group. It will focus on communication through spiritual exercises and dreams.
To initiates, it will remarket itself as a modern mystery school (out of Egypt).
It will lgradually withdraw from the public until it is entirely secret.
This is the complete failure of Twitchell's model for the group. Klemp has literally been disastrous, losing all the members and money Darwin Gross brought in. Wasting the money on buildings, instead of building the membership. But Klemp is too retiring for the job.
It also reflects major social changes coming in, pushing society far to the right in terms of social control.

This one?
http://youtu.be/FvGBbqzrPcU

3
and here is the eckankar "event" link which I think is what advice is referring to.
https://event.ecksouladventure.org

are the ECK-Centers also closed ?

fife

2021-05-20 21:01:43 UTC

Post by wernertrp

The EIO future plans are that Harold Klemp will step down, and there will be no more LEM. Instead, Eckankar will be a study group. It will focus on communication through spiritual exercises and dreams.
To initiates, it will remarket itself as a modern mystery school (out of Egypt).
It will lgradually withdraw from the public until it is entirely secret.
This is the complete failure of Twitchell's model for the group. Klemp has literally been disastrous, losing all the members and money Darwin Gross brought in. Wasting the money on buildings, instead of building the membership. But Klemp is too retiring for the job.
It also reflects major social changes coming in, pushing society far to the right in terms of social control.

This one?
http://youtu.be/FvGBbqzrPcU

3
and here is the eckankar "event" link which I think is what advice is referring to.
https://event.ecksouladventure.org

are the ECK-Centers also closed ?

As far as I know all ECK Centers are closed until further notice. All meetings and so forth are conducted via Zoom conferencing or some other electronic means.

fife

2021-05-20 21:03:02 UTC

The EIO future plans are that Harold Klemp will step down, and there will be no more LEM. Instead, Eckankar will be a study group. It will focus on communication through spiritual exercises and dreams.
To initiates, it will remarket itself as a modern mystery school (out of Egypt).
It will lgradually withdraw from the public until it is entirely secret.
This is the complete failure of Twitchell's model for the group. Klemp has literally been disastrous, losing all the members and money Darwin Gross brought in. Wasting the money on buildings, instead of building the membership. But Klemp is too retiring for the job.
It also reflects major social changes coming in, pushing society far to the right in terms of social control.

This one?
http://youtu.be/FvGBbqzrPcU

3
and here is the eckankar "event" link which I think is what advice is referring to.
https://event.ecksouladventure.org

Do you have a password for the event?

Etznab

2021-05-21 01:28:03 UTC

The EIO future plans are that Harold Klemp will step down, and there will be no more LEM. Instead, Eckankar will be a study group. It will focus on communication through spiritual exercises and dreams.
To initiates, it will remarket itself as a modern mystery school (out of Egypt).
It will gradually withdraw from the public until it is entirely secret.
This is the complete failure of Twitchell's model for the group. Klemp has literally been disastrous, losing all the members and money Darwin Gross brought in. Wasting the money on buildings, instead of building the membership. But Klemp is too retiring for the job.
It also reflects major social changes coming in, pushing society far to the right in terms of social control.

"The EIO future plans are that Harold Klemp will step down, and there will be no more LEM. Instead, Eckankar will be a study group. It will focus on communication through spiritual exercises and dreams. [... .]"

After Darwin Gross died, his website said they would likely announce someone at the next A.T.O.M. seminar. However, they never officially announced a replacement for Darwin Gross. Instead it became The Darwin Gross Trust. IOW, no more LEM there.

"Gross died on March 8, 2008 at the age of 80. According to the ATOM website, 'Darwin’s Living Trust provides that his writings, music and unpublished works shall be held in trust to carry on his memory and life’s work as well as his predecessor’s, Paul Twitchell. The Teachings will continue to be made available to those who are interested in this most direct path to God.' "

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwin_Gross

Not unless Paul Marche was selected, A.T.O.M. disagreed, and so Dhunami was born.

"Sri Paul accepted the responsibility of perpetuating Dhunami, the direct path to Sugmad as the Living Master of the Time in October of 2008. [... .]"

https://www.dhunami.org/about

Or maybe Michael Turner took over (2011) too!

https://groups.google.com/g/alt.religion.eckankar/c/4vneqB8QaAM/m/dSgpD3RwfbsJ

Where is Rebazar Tarzs amid all this?

Supporting Eckankar?
https://www.eckankar.org/

Supporting the Darwin Gross Trust?
http://what-when-how.com/religious-movements/ancient-teachings-of-the-masters-religious-movement/

Supporting Paul Marche and Dhunami?
https://www.dhunami.org/

Supporting Michael Turner? (maybe not)

Supporting Allen Feldman and Vardankar?
http://vardankar.com/

Supporting Duane Lee Heppner
https://www.duanethegreatwriter.net/

How many is that? Five or six, at least?

Or how about this. Rebazar Tarzs supports NONE of them because Rebazar Tarzs is not a real person! How about them apples?

If true what Advice Team alleges, I suspect it's a sign of truth winning the day. That long after Paul Twitchell died and wasn't alive to carry on his stories, others finally decided it was not in their best interests to do so. That the charade would someday soon come to an end and everybody have to handle the plain truth; like it, or not.

This is what I saw many years ago and have been speaking from that point. So many years ago one might say I was ahead of the times, but nonetheless I saw it coming. I saw the day when Eckankar and all those other paths would have to admit the truth, or risk looking like fools to continue the charades. This is why I wrote that maybe Rebazar Tarzs didn't support Michael Turner, since Michael evidently knows Rebazar Tarzs is a fictional person.

https://groups.google.com/g/alt.religion.eckankar/c/jZ9Kmk1PR-Y/m/-anr0hGUSUgJ

Etznab

2021-05-21 01:38:59 UTC

The EIO future plans are that Harold Klemp will step down, and there will be no more LEM. Instead, Eckankar will be a study group. It will focus on communication through spiritual exercises and dreams.
To initiates, it will remarket itself as a modern mystery school (out of Egypt).
It will gradually withdraw from the public until it is entirely secret.
This is the complete failure of Twitchell's model for the group. Klemp has literally been disastrous, losing all the members and money Darwin Gross brought in. Wasting the money on buildings, instead of building the membership. But Klemp is too retiring for the job.
It also reflects major social changes coming in, pushing society far to the right in terms of social control.

"The EIO future plans are that Harold Klemp will step down, and there will be no more LEM. Instead, Eckankar will be a study group. It will focus on communication through spiritual exercises and dreams. [... .]"
After Darwin Gross died, his website said they would likely announce someone at the next A.T.O.M. seminar. However, they never officially announced a replacement for Darwin Gross. Instead it became The Darwin Gross Trust. IOW, no more LEM there.
"Gross died on March 8, 2008 at the age of 80. According to the ATOM website, 'Darwin’s Living Trust provides that his writings, music and unpublished works shall be held in trust to carry on his memory and life’s work as well as his predecessor’s, Paul Twitchell. The Teachings will continue to be made available to those who are interested in this most direct path to God.' "
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwin_Gross
Not unless Paul Marche was selected, A.T.O.M. disagreed, and so Dhunami was born.
"Sri Paul accepted the responsibility of perpetuating Dhunami, the direct path to Sugmad as the Living Master of the Time in October of 2008. [... .]"
https://www.dhunami.org/about
Or maybe Michael Turner took over (2011) too!
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.religion.eckankar/c/4vneqB8QaAM/m/dSgpD3RwfbsJ
Where is Rebazar Tarzs amid all this?
Supporting Eckankar?
https://www.eckankar.org/
Supporting the Darwin Gross Trust?
http://what-when-how.com/religious-movements/ancient-teachings-of-the-masters-religious-movement/
Supporting Paul Marche and Dhunami?
https://www.dhunami.org/
Supporting Michael Turner? (maybe not)
Supporting Allen Feldman and Vardankar?
http://vardankar.com/
Supporting Duane Lee Heppner
https://www.duanethegreatwriter.net/
How many is that? Five or six, at least?
Or how about this. Rebazar Tarzs supports NONE of them because Rebazar Tarzs is not a real person! How about them apples?
If true what Advice Team alleges, I suspect it's a sign of truth winning the day. That long after Paul Twitchell died and wasn't alive to carry on his stories, others finally decided it was not in their best interests to do so. That the charade would someday soon come to an end and everybody have to handle the plain truth; like it, or not.
This is what I saw many years ago and have been speaking from that point. So many years ago one might say I was ahead of the times, but nonetheless I saw it coming. I saw the day when Eckankar and all those other paths would have to admit the truth, or risk looking like fools to continue the charades. This is why I wrote that maybe Rebazar Tarzs didn't support Michael Turner, since Michael evidently knows Rebazar Tarzs is a fictional person.
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.religion.eckankar/c/jZ9Kmk1PR-Y/m/-anr0hGUSUgJ

I also decided that I was no longer going to play charades. Instead deciding to ask obvious questions and start purposeful converations to get at the plain simple truth of the matter; no wonder almost every a.r.e. Eckankar apologist jumped ship!

IOW couldn't handle the truth, but had to jump ship or go play the roles of vengeful troll, or stupid idiot!

Anybody privy to common sense would also have seen this coming. Even 25 years ago!

Henosis Sage

2021-05-21 07:35:38 UTC

The EIO future plans are that Harold Klemp will step down, and there will be no more LEM. Instead, Eckankar will be a study group. It will focus on communication through spiritual exercises and dreams.
To initiates, it will remarket itself as a modern mystery school (out of Egypt).
It will gradually withdraw from the public until it is entirely secret.
This is the complete failure of Twitchell's model for the group. Klemp has literally been disastrous, losing all the members and money Darwin Gross brought in. Wasting the money on buildings, instead of building the membership. But Klemp is too retiring for the job.
It also reflects major social changes coming in, pushing society far to the right in terms of social control.

"The EIO future plans are that Harold Klemp will step down, and there will be no more LEM. Instead, Eckankar will be a study group. It will focus on communication through spiritual exercises and dreams. [... .]"
After Darwin Gross died, his website said they would likely announce someone at the next A.T.O.M. seminar. However, they never officially announced a replacement for Darwin Gross. Instead it became The Darwin Gross Trust. IOW, no more LEM there.
"Gross died on March 8, 2008 at the age of 80. According to the ATOM website, 'Darwin’s Living Trust provides that his writings, music and unpublished works shall be held in trust to carry on his memory and life’s work as well as his predecessor’s, Paul Twitchell. The Teachings will continue to be made available to those who are interested in this most direct path to God.' "
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwin_Gross
Not unless Paul Marche was selected, A.T.O.M. disagreed, and so Dhunami was born.
"Sri Paul accepted the responsibility of perpetuating Dhunami, the direct path to Sugmad as the Living Master of the Time in October of 2008. [... .]"
https://www.dhunami.org/about
Or maybe Michael Turner took over (2011) too!
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.religion.eckankar/c/4vneqB8QaAM/m/dSgpD3RwfbsJ
Where is Rebazar Tarzs amid all this?
Supporting Eckankar?
https://www.eckankar.org/
Supporting the Darwin Gross Trust?
http://what-when-how.com/religious-movements/ancient-teachings-of-the-masters-religious-movement/
Supporting Paul Marche and Dhunami?
https://www.dhunami.org/
Supporting Michael Turner? (maybe not)
Supporting Allen Feldman and Vardankar?
http://vardankar.com/
Supporting Duane Lee Heppner
https://www.duanethegreatwriter.net/
How many is that? Five or six, at least?
Or how about this. Rebazar Tarzs supports NONE of them because Rebazar Tarzs is not a real person! How about them apples?
If true what Advice Team alleges, I suspect it's a sign of truth winning the day. That long after Paul Twitchell died and wasn't alive to carry on his stories, others finally decided it was not in their best interests to do so. That the charade would someday soon come to an end and everybody have to handle the plain truth; like it, or not.
This is what I saw many years ago and have been speaking from that point. So many years ago one might say I was ahead of the times, but nonetheless I saw it coming. I saw the day when Eckankar and all those other paths would have to admit the truth, or risk looking like fools to continue the charades. This is why I wrote that maybe Rebazar Tarzs didn't support Michael Turner, since Michael evidently knows Rebazar Tarzs is a fictional person.
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.religion.eckankar/c/jZ9Kmk1PR-Y/m/-anr0hGUSUgJ

I also decided that I was no longer going to play charades. Instead deciding to ask obvious questions and start purposeful converations to get at the plain simple truth of the matter; no wonder almost every a.r.e. Eckankar apologist jumped ship!
IOW couldn't handle the truth, but had to jump ship or go play the roles of vengeful troll, or stupid idiot!
Anybody privy to common sense would also have seen this coming. Even 25 years ago!

Yes. Sounds like you were right a long time ago. While some others are still off with the faeries.

and I do quite prefer Michael Turner's framing of twitchell .... past and present. I think he he offers the best pov, even if on some points I think he gets a few facts wrong along the way (but that's ok, because no one can them all right or even close, because of how muddie the waters were made over the years.)

Most others have a delusional distorted pov framing for twitchell. Pro or con. imo.
cheers

Advice Team

2021-05-29 22:36:18 UTC

The EIO future plans are that Harold Klemp will step down, and there will be no more LEM. Instead, Eckankar will be a study group. It will focus on communication through spiritual exercises and dreams.
To initiates, it will remarket itself as a modern mystery school (out of Egypt).
It will gradually withdraw from the public until it is entirely secret.
This is the complete failure of Twitchell's model for the group. Klemp has literally been disastrous, losing all the members and money Darwin Gross brought in. Wasting the money on buildings, instead of building the membership. But Klemp is too retiring for the job.
It also reflects major social changes coming in, pushing society far to the right in terms of social control.

"The EIO future plans are that Harold Klemp will step down, and there will be no more LEM. Instead, Eckankar will be a study group. It will focus on communication through spiritual exercises and dreams. [... .]"
After Darwin Gross died, his website said they would likely announce someone at the next A.T.O.M. seminar. However, they never officially announced a replacement for Darwin Gross. Instead it became The Darwin Gross Trust. IOW, no more LEM there.
"Gross died on March 8, 2008 at the age of 80. According to the ATOM website, 'Darwin’s Living Trust provides that his writings, music and unpublished works shall be held in trust to carry on his memory and life’s work as well as his predecessor’s, Paul Twitchell. The Teachings will continue to be made available to those who are interested in this most direct path to God.' "
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwin_Gross
Not unless Paul Marche was selected, A.T.O.M. disagreed, and so Dhunami was born.
"Sri Paul accepted the responsibility of perpetuating Dhunami, the direct path to Sugmad as the Living Master of the Time in October of 2008. [... .]"
https://www.dhunami.org/about
Or maybe Michael Turner took over (2011) too!
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.religion.eckankar/c/4vneqB8QaAM/m/dSgpD3RwfbsJ
Where is Rebazar Tarzs amid all this?
Supporting Eckankar?
https://www.eckankar.org/
Supporting the Darwin Gross Trust?
http://what-when-how.com/religious-movements/ancient-teachings-of-the-masters-religious-movement/
Supporting Paul Marche and Dhunami?
https://www.dhunami.org/
Supporting Michael Turner? (maybe not)
Supporting Allen Feldman and Vardankar?
http://vardankar.com/
Supporting Duane Lee Heppner
https://www.duanethegreatwriter.net/
How many is that? Five or six, at least?
Or how about this. Rebazar Tarzs supports NONE of them because Rebazar Tarzs is not a real person! How about them apples?
If true what Advice Team alleges, I suspect it's a sign of truth winning the day. That long after Paul Twitchell died and wasn't alive to carry on his stories, others finally decided it was not in their best interests to do so. That the charade would someday soon come to an end and everybody have to handle the plain truth; like it, or not.
This is what I saw many years ago and have been speaking from that point. So many years ago one might say I was ahead of the times, but nonetheless I saw it coming. I saw the day when Eckankar and all those other paths would have to admit the truth, or risk looking like fools to continue the charades. This is why I wrote that maybe Rebazar Tarzs didn't support Michael Turner, since Michael evidently knows Rebazar Tarzs is a fictional person.
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.religion.eckankar/c/jZ9Kmk1PR-Y/m/-anr0hGUSUgJ

I also decided that I was no longer going to play charades. Instead deciding to ask obvious questions and start purposeful converations to get at the plain simple truth of the matter; no wonder almost every a.r.e. Eckankar apologist jumped ship!
IOW couldn't handle the truth, but had to jump ship or go play the roles of vengeful troll, or stupid idiot!
Anybody privy to common sense would also have seen this coming. Even 25 years ago!

Yes. Sounds like you were right a long time ago. While some others are still off with the faeries.
and I do quite prefer Michael Turner's framing of twitchell .... past and present. I think he he offers the best pov, even if on some points I think he gets a few facts wrong along the way (but that's ok, because no one can them all right or even close, because of how muddie the waters were made over the years.)
Most others have a delusional distorted pov framing for twitchell. Pro or con. imo.
cheers

However, ;guys, the truth is still coming out about the future of Eckankar, and it is going to be much much worse. Just as the Western world with its privileges is being gradually pulled to pieces, while the Far East rises, so as Eckankar is pulled to pieces and its membership disappears, it is becoming increasingly desperate to save itself.
There is more in a new conversation starting today with a new video (hopefully corrected saved).

Please bear in mind one point - the Eck leaders like Klemp, other leaders, and the departed eck masters like Twitchell, are becoming, and will become far more panicky and prone to lash out at anyone challenging them. So you may get some unpleasant experiences in the next few years. This warning is simply to give you advance notice. Don't stop what you're doing for a second, because the expression of truth is clear clean water on the face of members and leavers now in the process of being pulled into a pit of fear, confusion, and lack of knowledge.

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Advice Team

2021-05-29 22:37:25 UTC