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Etznab
2021-06-15 14:15:16 UTC
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Nowadays people can gather round at Eckankar functions and talk about Paul Twitchell and Eckankar's many plagiarisms / made up fictions? And do it informally too? Members and not members can freely talk about it and what it means when fact and fiction get confused.

No?

Criminals and the mentally ill - one could argue - use fiction more truer than actual historical fact to justify their illegal / harmful actions. How long before the fictional Vardankar Rebazar Tarzs battles the fictional Eckankar Rebazar Tarzs in the minds of so many innocent members; for stability sake looking desperately for the truth?

Just imagine it and they will come? Imaginary characters by the droves? And how does this go over on the mentally disabled, mentally ill, users of drugs or schizophrenics? Do Eckankar and the other groups take these things into account? Or do they hide behind "freedom of religion" and / or "religious protections" to keep them free from litigation?

Personally I think a little grounding in actual factual historical provable beyond a doubt truth can go a long way toward arresting the circus clowns parading around as teachers and masters who boohoo truth and facts to the point of elevating fictional pseudo history and religion. How many people are locked up already for becoming ungrounded and acting out on some imaginary belief? Harold Klemp admitted he was wrong for jumping into the freezing cold river, or disrobing in a public airport. So why can't others admit when they are wrong for negative imaginations that aim to harm and disrupt?

Rebazar Tarzs is real because some claim to have met him in the flesh? Well, let those same claimants come here and look at the reams of made up stories and plagiarized / copied texts assigned to this supposedly real Rebazar Tarzs. Let them ask their real Tarzs' to FIX THE MESS he made. Oh, but in reality that wasn't any 500+-year-old Tibetan Lama who done those things. It was actually Paul Twitchell and Eckankar, who only claim that it was Rebazar Tarzs.

References:

Biography of Rebazar Tarzs

https://groups.google.com/g/alt.religion.eckankar/c/e9IFSzWcKAU/m/55WQqQEuAwAJ

Rebazar talks... Rebazar was referring ...the dialogue between Rebazar Tarzs and Paul ... Rebazar outlines, etc.

https://groups.google.com/g/alt.religion.eckankar/c/KVOiP_ApFwM/m/pzuLqkipxpcJ
Etznab
2021-06-15 14:20:53 UTC
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Nowadays people can gather round at Eckankar functions and talk about Paul Twitchell and Eckankar's many plagiarisms / made up fictions? And do it informally too? Members and not members can freely talk about it and what it means when fact and fiction get confused.
No?
Criminals and the mentally ill - one could argue - use fiction more truer than actual historical fact to justify their illegal / harmful actions. How long before the fictional Vardankar Rebazar Tarzs battles the fictional Eckankar Rebazar Tarzs in the minds of so many innocent members; for stability sake looking desperately for the truth?
Just imagine it and they will come? Imaginary characters by the droves? And how does this go over on the mentally disabled, mentally ill, users of drugs or schizophrenics? Do Eckankar and the other groups take these things into account? Or do they hide behind "freedom of religion" and / or "religious protections" to keep them free from litigation?
Personally I think a little grounding in actual factual historical provable beyond a doubt truth can go a long way toward arresting the circus clowns parading around as teachers and masters who boohoo truth and facts to the point of elevating fictional pseudo history and religion. How many people are locked up already for becoming ungrounded and acting out on some imaginary belief? Harold Klemp admitted he was wrong for jumping into the freezing cold river, or disrobing in a public airport. So why can't others admit when they are wrong for negative imaginations that aim to harm and disrupt?
Rebazar Tarzs is real because some claim to have met him in the flesh? Well, let those same claimants come here and look at the reams of made up stories and plagiarized / copied texts assigned to this supposedly real Rebazar Tarzs. Let them ask their real Tarzs' to FIX THE MESS he made. Oh, but in reality that wasn't any 500+-year-old Tibetan Lama who done those things. It was actually Paul Twitchell and Eckankar, who only claim that it was Rebazar Tarzs.
Biography of Rebazar Tarzs
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.religion.eckankar/c/e9IFSzWcKAU/m/55WQqQEuAwAJ
Rebazar talks... Rebazar was referring ...the dialogue between Rebazar Tarzs and Paul ... Rebazar outlines, etc.
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.religion.eckankar/c/KVOiP_ApFwM/m/pzuLqkipxpcJ
"Spiritual consciousness is attained through the activity of truth in consciousness. Dwelling on scriptural quotations or statements of truth helps to spiritualize thought. The more truth that we read and hear, the more active is truth in our consciousness. Thus we learn to abide in the Word. This is the first step on the Way.
"The second, and more important step, is to be able to receive truth from within, to be receptive and responsive to the truth that wells up in us. Then we do not think, read, or hear truth with the mind: We are becoming aware of the impartation of the Word of God from within because the inner ear and the inner eye have been developed through our knowing the letter of truth and dwelling on it.

[...]

"The second step, which leads to a state of consciousness where we are receptive and responsive to the still small voice, cannot be taken, however, unless the first step has been mastered, that is, knowing the letter of truth. All the years that a person has spent in reading truth, hearing truth, thinking truth, attending church services, lectures, or classes are fruitful in leading him to that point where inspiration flows from within his own being. This inspiration, however, usually comes only after a thorough grounding in the letter of truth.

Jesus tells us to let "my words abide in you. ... Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit."

[See pp. 19-26]

http://www.scribd.com/doc/82916572/Practicing-the-Presence-of-God-Joel-S-Goldsmith

***

"Spiritual consciousness is attained through the activity of truth in consciousness. Dwelling on scriptural quotations or statements of truth helps to spiritualize thought. The more truth we read and hear, the more truth is active in our consciousness. We learn to abide in the world by putting truth into ourselves. This is the first step on the way to God.

"The second step cannot be taken unless the first step has been mastered, that is, knowing the letter of truth. All the years we spend in reading truth, attending services, lectures, and classes are fruitful in leading us to that point where inspiration flows from within our own being. This inspiration, however, usually comes only after a thorough grounding in the letter of truth.

"Yaubl Sacabi told me long ago, 'Let my spirit dwell in you. And so shall the SUGMAD be exalted so that you will bear the harvest of good deeds.' "

Based on: Rebazar Tarzs in: The Key to ECKANKAR, by Paul Twitchell, Copyright 1968, 1985 - ECKANKAR, Fifth Printing - 2003, pp. 39-42.
Etznab
2021-06-15 14:27:52 UTC
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Nowadays people can gather round at Eckankar functions and talk about Paul Twitchell and Eckankar's many plagiarisms / made up fictions? And do it informally too? Members and not members can freely talk about it and what it means when fact and fiction get confused.
No?
Criminals and the mentally ill - one could argue - use fiction more truer than actual historical fact to justify their illegal / harmful actions. How long before the fictional Vardankar Rebazar Tarzs battles the fictional Eckankar Rebazar Tarzs in the minds of so many innocent members; for stability sake looking desperately for the truth?
Just imagine it and they will come? Imaginary characters by the droves? And how does this go over on the mentally disabled, mentally ill, users of drugs or schizophrenics? Do Eckankar and the other groups take these things into account? Or do they hide behind "freedom of religion" and / or "religious protections" to keep them free from litigation?
Personally I think a little grounding in actual factual historical provable beyond a doubt truth can go a long way toward arresting the circus clowns parading around as teachers and masters who boohoo truth and facts to the point of elevating fictional pseudo history and religion. How many people are locked up already for becoming ungrounded and acting out on some imaginary belief? Harold Klemp admitted he was wrong for jumping into the freezing cold river, or disrobing in a public airport. So why can't others admit when they are wrong for negative imaginations that aim to harm and disrupt?
Rebazar Tarzs is real because some claim to have met him in the flesh? Well, let those same claimants come here and look at the reams of made up stories and plagiarized / copied texts assigned to this supposedly real Rebazar Tarzs. Let them ask their real Tarzs' to FIX THE MESS he made. Oh, but in reality that wasn't any 500+-year-old Tibetan Lama who done those things. It was actually Paul Twitchell and Eckankar, who only claim that it was Rebazar Tarzs.
Biography of Rebazar Tarzs
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.religion.eckankar/c/e9IFSzWcKAU/m/55WQqQEuAwAJ
Rebazar talks... Rebazar was referring ...the dialogue between Rebazar Tarzs and Paul ... Rebazar outlines, etc.
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.religion.eckankar/c/KVOiP_ApFwM/m/pzuLqkipxpcJ
"Spiritual consciousness is attained through the activity of truth in consciousness. Dwelling on scriptural quotations or statements of truth helps to spiritualize thought. The more truth that we read and hear, the more active is truth in our consciousness. Thus we learn to abide in the Word. This is the first step on the Way.
"The second, and more important step, is to be able to receive truth from within, to be receptive and responsive to the truth that wells up in us. Then we do not think, read, or hear truth with the mind: We are becoming aware of the impartation of the Word of God from within because the inner ear and the inner eye have been developed through our knowing the letter of truth and dwelling on it.
[...]
"The second step, which leads to a state of consciousness where we are receptive and responsive to the still small voice, cannot be taken, however, unless the first step has been mastered, that is, knowing the letter of truth. All the years that a person has spent in reading truth, hearing truth, thinking truth, attending church services, lectures, or classes are fruitful in leading him to that point where inspiration flows from within his own being. This inspiration, however, usually comes only after a thorough grounding in the letter of truth.
Jesus tells us to let "my words abide in you. ... Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit."
[See pp. 19-26]
http://www.scribd.com/doc/82916572/Practicing-the-Presence-of-God-Joel-S-Goldsmith
***
"Spiritual consciousness is attained through the activity of truth in consciousness. Dwelling on scriptural quotations or statements of truth helps to spiritualize thought. The more truth we read and hear, the more truth is active in our consciousness. We learn to abide in the world by putting truth into ourselves. This is the first step on the way to God.
"The second step cannot be taken unless the first step has been mastered, that is, knowing the letter of truth. All the years we spend in reading truth, attending services, lectures, and classes are fruitful in leading us to that point where inspiration flows from within our own being. This inspiration, however, usually comes only after a thorough grounding in the letter of truth.
"Yaubl Sacabi told me long ago, 'Let my spirit dwell in you. And so shall the SUGMAD be exalted so that you will bear the harvest of good deeds.' "
Based on: Rebazar Tarzs in: The Key to ECKANKAR, by Paul Twitchell, Copyright 1968, 1985 - ECKANKAR, Fifth Printing - 2003, pp. 39-42.
The Key to Eckankar section about "correct letter of truth" is one that very closely resembles the writings in Joel S. Goldsmith's book, Practicing the Presence of God - 1958 Iow, the words "correct letter of truth" appeared years before The Key to Eckankar book came out in 1968.

Some sample quotes (from a much larger section of correspondences covering over a dozen paragraphs in consecutive order) illustrating similarity between the writings of Joel S. Goldsmith and the words of Paul Twitchell and Rebazar Tarzs.

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"Spiritual consciousness is attained through the activity of truth in consciousness. Dwelling on scriptural quotations or statements of truth helps to spiritualize thought. The more truth we read and hear, the more truth is active in our consciousness. We learn to abide in the world by putting truth into ourselves. This is the first step on the way to God."

Based on: The Key to Eckankar - Twitchell

"Spiritual consciousness is attained through the activity of truth in consciousness. Dwelling on scriptural quotations or statements of truth helps to spiritualize thought. The more truth that we read and hear, the more active is truth in our consciousness. Thus we learn to abide in the Word. This is the first step on the Way."

Based on: Practicing The Presence - Goldsmith

[Note: Goldsmith says: "Thus we learn to abide in the Word." where Eckankar says: "We learn to abide in the world ... ." Typo???]

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"Yaubl Sacabi told me long ago, 'Let my spirit dwell in you. And so shall the SUGMAD be exalted so that you will bear the harvest of good deeds.'

"To live in this truth, to abide in the Word, is to bear the harvest of all things in the richest manner: that is, to live harmoniously in the spiritual senses. But if we forget to live in the Word, to abide in It, and let It live in us, we become as the branch of a tree that is cut off and withers away."

Based on: The Key to Eckankar - Twitchell

Jesus tells us to let "my words abide in you. ... Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit." To live in that truth, to abide in that Word, is to bear fruit richly, that is, to live harmoniously, spiritual lives. But if we forget to live in the Word, to abide in it, and let it abide in us, we become as branches that are cut off and wither. [...]

Based on: Practicing The Presence - Goldsmith

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"How can we live in the Word if we do not know It? We must know the Truth. We must learn what the correct letter of truth is. Let us have a principle with which to work, and let us stand on this principle, until the moment comes when we feel that spiritual awareness within us is realized. Then we shall know that we have attained the spirit of truth, the consciousness of truth, which is the Word of the SUGMAD and is power. Anyone with a sufficient desire for a realization of God can achieve that realization - the grace of God will guarantee it."

Based on: The Key to Eckankar - Twitchell

[...] How can we abide in this Word if we do not know it? We must know the truth. We must learn what the correct letter of truth is. Let us have a specific principle with which to work and let us stand on that principle, until the moment comes when we feel that spiritual awareness within us, which is realization. Then we shall know that we have attained the spirit of truth, the consciousness of truth, which is the Word of God and is power. Anyone with a sufficient desire for a realization of God will guarantee it."

Based on: Practicing The Presence - Goldsmith

[Note: All illustrations here should be checked for typos.]

http://www.scribd.com/doc/218780789/82916572-Practicing-the-Presence-of-God-Joel-S-Goldsmith-1

So when Paul Twitchell doesn't plagiarize correctly, and makes the Rebazar Tarzs sounds like a clown, one should surmise there are in fact no real noble, honest spiritual masters? Or just tell people Paul Twitchell made it up? It's fiction, but "spiritual" fiction?
fife
2021-06-15 15:39:03 UTC
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Nowadays people can gather round at Eckankar functions and talk about Paul Twitchell and Eckankar's many plagiarisms / made up fictions? And do it informally too? Members and not members can freely talk about it and what it means when fact and fiction get confused.
No?
Criminals and the mentally ill - one could argue - use fiction more truer than actual historical fact to justify their illegal / harmful actions. How long before the fictional Vardankar Rebazar Tarzs battles the fictional Eckankar Rebazar Tarzs in the minds of so many innocent members; for stability sake looking desperately for the truth?
Just imagine it and they will come? Imaginary characters by the droves? And how does this go over on the mentally disabled, mentally ill, users of drugs or schizophrenics? Do Eckankar and the other groups take these things into account? Or do they hide behind "freedom of religion" and / or "religious protections" to keep them free from litigation?
Personally I think a little grounding in actual factual historical provable beyond a doubt truth can go a long way toward arresting the circus clowns parading around as teachers and masters who boohoo truth and facts to the point of elevating fictional pseudo history and religion. How many people are locked up already for becoming ungrounded and acting out on some imaginary belief? Harold Klemp admitted he was wrong for jumping into the freezing cold river, or disrobing in a public airport. So why can't others admit when they are wrong for negative imaginations that aim to harm and disrupt?
Rebazar Tarzs is real because some claim to have met him in the flesh? Well, let those same claimants come here and look at the reams of made up stories and plagiarized / copied texts assigned to this supposedly real Rebazar Tarzs. Let them ask their real Tarzs' to FIX THE MESS he made. Oh, but in reality that wasn't any 500+-year-old Tibetan Lama who done those things. It was actually Paul Twitchell and Eckankar, who only claim that it was Rebazar Tarzs.
Biography of Rebazar Tarzs
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.religion.eckankar/c/e9IFSzWcKAU/m/55WQqQEuAwAJ
Rebazar talks... Rebazar was referring ...the dialogue between Rebazar Tarzs and Paul ... Rebazar outlines, etc.
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.religion.eckankar/c/KVOiP_ApFwM/m/pzuLqkipxpcJ
Really, D.R.. You're never going to regain the naive gullibility you once enjoyed. Not after years and years of researching Eckankar and whistleblowing. Do you really care about "the innocents" or do you just want (someone) to shed a tear with you over your lost virginity?
Etznab
2021-06-15 21:50:32 UTC
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Nowadays people can gather round at Eckankar functions and talk about Paul Twitchell and Eckankar's many plagiarisms / made up fictions? And do it informally too? Members and not members can freely talk about it and what it means when fact and fiction get confused.
No?
Criminals and the mentally ill - one could argue - use fiction more truer than actual historical fact to justify their illegal / harmful actions. How long before the fictional Vardankar Rebazar Tarzs battles the fictional Eckankar Rebazar Tarzs in the minds of so many innocent members; for stability sake looking desperately for the truth?
Just imagine it and they will come? Imaginary characters by the droves? And how does this go over on the mentally disabled, mentally ill, users of drugs or schizophrenics? Do Eckankar and the other groups take these things into account? Or do they hide behind "freedom of religion" and / or "religious protections" to keep them free from litigation?
Personally I think a little grounding in actual factual historical provable beyond a doubt truth can go a long way toward arresting the circus clowns parading around as teachers and masters who boohoo truth and facts to the point of elevating fictional pseudo history and religion. How many people are locked up already for becoming ungrounded and acting out on some imaginary belief? Harold Klemp admitted he was wrong for jumping into the freezing cold river, or disrobing in a public airport. So why can't others admit when they are wrong for negative imaginations that aim to harm and disrupt?
Rebazar Tarzs is real because some claim to have met him in the flesh? Well, let those same claimants come here and look at the reams of made up stories and plagiarized / copied texts assigned to this supposedly real Rebazar Tarzs. Let them ask their real Tarzs' to FIX THE MESS he made. Oh, but in reality that wasn't any 500+-year-old Tibetan Lama who done those things. It was actually Paul Twitchell and Eckankar, who only claim that it was Rebazar Tarzs.
Biography of Rebazar Tarzs
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.religion.eckankar/c/e9IFSzWcKAU/m/55WQqQEuAwAJ
Rebazar talks... Rebazar was referring ...the dialogue between Rebazar Tarzs and Paul ... Rebazar outlines, etc.
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.religion.eckankar/c/KVOiP_ApFwM/m/pzuLqkipxpcJ
Really, D.R.. You're never going to regain the naive gullibility you once enjoyed. Not after years and years of researching Eckankar and whistleblowing. Do you really care about "the innocents" or do you just want (someone) to shed a tear with you over your lost virginity?
What kind of communication is that?
fife
2021-06-15 23:31:42 UTC
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Nowadays people can gather round at Eckankar functions and talk about Paul Twitchell and Eckankar's many plagiarisms / made up fictions? And do it informally too? Members and not members can freely talk about it and what it means when fact and fiction get confused.
No?
Criminals and the mentally ill - one could argue - use fiction more truer than actual historical fact to justify their illegal / harmful actions. How long before the fictional Vardankar Rebazar Tarzs battles the fictional Eckankar Rebazar Tarzs in the minds of so many innocent members; for stability sake looking desperately for the truth?
Just imagine it and they will come? Imaginary characters by the droves? And how does this go over on the mentally disabled, mentally ill, users of drugs or schizophrenics? Do Eckankar and the other groups take these things into account? Or do they hide behind "freedom of religion" and / or "religious protections" to keep them free from litigation?
Personally I think a little grounding in actual factual historical provable beyond a doubt truth can go a long way toward arresting the circus clowns parading around as teachers and masters who boohoo truth and facts to the point of elevating fictional pseudo history and religion. How many people are locked up already for becoming ungrounded and acting out on some imaginary belief? Harold Klemp admitted he was wrong for jumping into the freezing cold river, or disrobing in a public airport. So why can't others admit when they are wrong for negative imaginations that aim to harm and disrupt?
Rebazar Tarzs is real because some claim to have met him in the flesh? Well, let those same claimants come here and look at the reams of made up stories and plagiarized / copied texts assigned to this supposedly real Rebazar Tarzs. Let them ask their real Tarzs' to FIX THE MESS he made. Oh, but in reality that wasn't any 500+-year-old Tibetan Lama who done those things. It was actually Paul Twitchell and Eckankar, who only claim that it was Rebazar Tarzs.
Biography of Rebazar Tarzs
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.religion.eckankar/c/e9IFSzWcKAU/m/55WQqQEuAwAJ
Rebazar talks... Rebazar was referring ...the dialogue between Rebazar Tarzs and Paul ... Rebazar outlines, etc.
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.religion.eckankar/c/KVOiP_ApFwM/m/pzuLqkipxpcJ
Really, D.R.. You're never going to regain the naive gullibility you once enjoyed. Not after years and years of researching Eckankar and whistleblowing. Do you really care about "the innocents" or do you just want (someone) to shed a tear with you over your lost virginity?
What kind of communication is that?
Shrink talk?
Truth to self pity?
Henosis Sage
2021-06-17 06:33:17 UTC
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Nowadays people can gather round at Eckankar functions and talk about Paul Twitchell and Eckankar's many plagiarisms / made up fictions? And do it informally too? Members and not members can freely talk about it and what it means when fact and fiction get confused.
No?
Criminals and the mentally ill - one could argue - use fiction more truer than actual historical fact to justify their illegal / harmful actions. How long before the fictional Vardankar Rebazar Tarzs battles the fictional Eckankar Rebazar Tarzs in the minds of so many innocent members; for stability sake looking desperately for the truth?
Just imagine it and they will come? Imaginary characters by the droves? And how does this go over on the mentally disabled, mentally ill, users of drugs or schizophrenics? Do Eckankar and the other groups take these things into account? Or do they hide behind "freedom of religion" and / or "religious protections" to keep them free from litigation?
Personally I think a little grounding in actual factual historical provable beyond a doubt truth can go a long way toward arresting the circus clowns parading around as teachers and masters who boohoo truth and facts to the point of elevating fictional pseudo history and religion. How many people are locked up already for becoming ungrounded and acting out on some imaginary belief? Harold Klemp admitted he was wrong for jumping into the freezing cold river, or disrobing in a public airport. So why can't others admit when they are wrong for negative imaginations that aim to harm and disrupt?
Rebazar Tarzs is real because some claim to have met him in the flesh? Well, let those same claimants come here and look at the reams of made up stories and plagiarized / copied texts assigned to this supposedly real Rebazar Tarzs. Let them ask their real Tarzs' to FIX THE MESS he made. Oh, but in reality that wasn't any 500+-year-old Tibetan Lama who done those things. It was actually Paul Twitchell and Eckankar, who only claim that it was Rebazar Tarzs.
Biography of Rebazar Tarzs
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.religion.eckankar/c/e9IFSzWcKAU/m/55WQqQEuAwAJ
Rebazar talks... Rebazar was referring ...the dialogue between Rebazar Tarzs and Paul ... Rebazar outlines, etc.
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.religion.eckankar/c/KVOiP_ApFwM/m/pzuLqkipxpcJ
Really, D.R.. You're never going to regain the naive gullibility you once enjoyed. Not after years and years of researching Eckankar and whistleblowing. Do you really care about "the innocents" or do you just want (someone) to shed a tear with you over your lost virginity?
What kind of communication is that?
Shrink talk?
Truth to self pity?
Nah. It's plain ol' judgemental horseshit being projected onto another by a self-ordained know-it-all who fraudulently believes and imagines he can peer into the being of others and nail them to a pseudo cross. reminds of kinpoop actually.
Henosis Sage
2021-06-17 08:01:51 UTC
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Nowadays people can gather round at Eckankar functions and talk about Paul Twitchell and Eckankar's many plagiarisms / made up fictions? And do it informally too? Members and not members can freely talk about it and what it means when fact and fiction get confused.
No?
Criminals and the mentally ill - one could argue - use fiction more truer than actual historical fact to justify their illegal / harmful actions. How long before the fictional Vardankar Rebazar Tarzs battles the fictional Eckankar Rebazar Tarzs in the minds of so many innocent members; for stability sake looking desperately for the truth?
Just imagine it and they will come? Imaginary characters by the droves? And how does this go over on the mentally disabled, mentally ill, users of drugs or schizophrenics? Do Eckankar and the other groups take these things into account? Or do they hide behind "freedom of religion" and / or "religious protections" to keep them free from litigation?
Personally I think a little grounding in actual factual historical provable beyond a doubt truth can go a long way toward arresting the circus clowns parading around as teachers and masters who boohoo truth and facts to the point of elevating fictional pseudo history and religion. How many people are locked up already for becoming ungrounded and acting out on some imaginary belief? Harold Klemp admitted he was wrong for jumping into the freezing cold river, or disrobing in a public airport. So why can't others admit when they are wrong for negative imaginations that aim to harm and disrupt?
Rebazar Tarzs is real because some claim to have met him in the flesh? Well, let those same claimants come here and look at the reams of made up stories and plagiarized / copied texts assigned to this supposedly real Rebazar Tarzs. Let them ask their real Tarzs' to FIX THE MESS he made. Oh, but in reality that wasn't any 500+-year-old Tibetan Lama who done those things. It was actually Paul Twitchell and Eckankar, who only claim that it was Rebazar Tarzs.
Biography of Rebazar Tarzs
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.religion.eckankar/c/e9IFSzWcKAU/m/55WQqQEuAwAJ
Rebazar talks... Rebazar was referring ...the dialogue between Rebazar Tarzs and Paul ... Rebazar outlines, etc.
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.religion.eckankar/c/KVOiP_ApFwM/m/pzuLqkipxpcJ
Really, D.R.. You're never going to regain the naive gullibility you once enjoyed. Not after years and years of researching Eckankar and whistleblowing. Do you really care about "the innocents" or do you just want (someone) to shed a tear with you over your lost virginity?
What kind of communication is that?
Shrink talk?
Truth to self pity?
Nah. It's plain ol' judgemental horseshit being projected onto another by a self-ordained know-it-all who fraudulently believes and imagines he can peer into the being of others and nail them to a pseudo cross. reminds of kinpoop actually.
and not only is it totally unnecessary, unkind, untrue and unwarranted, it's tedious to the extreme.
Henosis Sage
2021-06-17 08:03:22 UTC
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Nowadays people can gather round at Eckankar functions and talk about Paul Twitchell and Eckankar's many plagiarisms / made up fictions? And do it informally too? Members and not members can freely talk about it and what it means when fact and fiction get confused.
No?
Criminals and the mentally ill - one could argue - use fiction more truer than actual historical fact to justify their illegal / harmful actions. How long before the fictional Vardankar Rebazar Tarzs battles the fictional Eckankar Rebazar Tarzs in the minds of so many innocent members; for stability sake looking desperately for the truth?
Just imagine it and they will come? Imaginary characters by the droves? And how does this go over on the mentally disabled, mentally ill, users of drugs or schizophrenics? Do Eckankar and the other groups take these things into account? Or do they hide behind "freedom of religion" and / or "religious protections" to keep them free from litigation?
Personally I think a little grounding in actual factual historical provable beyond a doubt truth can go a long way toward arresting the circus clowns parading around as teachers and masters who boohoo truth and facts to the point of elevating fictional pseudo history and religion. How many people are locked up already for becoming ungrounded and acting out on some imaginary belief? Harold Klemp admitted he was wrong for jumping into the freezing cold river, or disrobing in a public airport. So why can't others admit when they are wrong for negative imaginations that aim to harm and disrupt?
Rebazar Tarzs is real because some claim to have met him in the flesh? Well, let those same claimants come here and look at the reams of made up stories and plagiarized / copied texts assigned to this supposedly real Rebazar Tarzs. Let them ask their real Tarzs' to FIX THE MESS he made. Oh, but in reality that wasn't any 500+-year-old Tibetan Lama who done those things. It was actually Paul Twitchell and Eckankar, who only claim that it was Rebazar Tarzs.
Biography of Rebazar Tarzs
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.religion.eckankar/c/e9IFSzWcKAU/m/55WQqQEuAwAJ
Rebazar talks... Rebazar was referring ...the dialogue between Rebazar Tarzs and Paul ... Rebazar outlines, etc.
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.religion.eckankar/c/KVOiP_ApFwM/m/pzuLqkipxpcJ
Really, D.R.. You're never going to regain the naive gullibility you once enjoyed. Not after years and years of researching Eckankar and whistleblowing. Do you really care about "the innocents" or do you just want (someone) to shed a tear with you over your lost virginity?
What kind of communication is that?
Shrink talk?
Truth to self pity?
Nah. It's plain ol' judgemental horseshit being projected onto another by a self-ordained know-it-all who fraudulently believes and imagines he can peer into the being of others and nail them to a pseudo cross. reminds of kinpoop actually.
and not only is it totally unnecessary, unkind, untrue and unwarranted, it's tedious to the extreme.
it sure isn't humourous, good natured nor uplifting.
fife
2021-06-17 15:36:23 UTC
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Nowadays people can gather round at Eckankar functions and talk about Paul Twitchell and Eckankar's many plagiarisms / made up fictions? And do it informally too? Members and not members can freely talk about it and what it means when fact and fiction get confused.
No?
Criminals and the mentally ill - one could argue - use fiction more truer than actual historical fact to justify their illegal / harmful actions. How long before the fictional Vardankar Rebazar Tarzs battles the fictional Eckankar Rebazar Tarzs in the minds of so many innocent members; for stability sake looking desperately for the truth?
Just imagine it and they will come? Imaginary characters by the droves? And how does this go over on the mentally disabled, mentally ill, users of drugs or schizophrenics? Do Eckankar and the other groups take these things into account? Or do they hide behind "freedom of religion" and / or "religious protections" to keep them free from litigation?
Personally I think a little grounding in actual factual historical provable beyond a doubt truth can go a long way toward arresting the circus clowns parading around as teachers and masters who boohoo truth and facts to the point of elevating fictional pseudo history and religion. How many people are locked up already for becoming ungrounded and acting out on some imaginary belief? Harold Klemp admitted he was wrong for jumping into the freezing cold river, or disrobing in a public airport. So why can't others admit when they are wrong for negative imaginations that aim to harm and disrupt?
Rebazar Tarzs is real because some claim to have met him in the flesh? Well, let those same claimants come here and look at the reams of made up stories and plagiarized / copied texts assigned to this supposedly real Rebazar Tarzs. Let them ask their real Tarzs' to FIX THE MESS he made. Oh, but in reality that wasn't any 500+-year-old Tibetan Lama who done those things. It was actually Paul Twitchell and Eckankar, who only claim that it was Rebazar Tarzs.
Biography of Rebazar Tarzs
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.religion.eckankar/c/e9IFSzWcKAU/m/55WQqQEuAwAJ
Rebazar talks... Rebazar was referring ...the dialogue between Rebazar Tarzs and Paul ... Rebazar outlines, etc.
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.religion.eckankar/c/KVOiP_ApFwM/m/pzuLqkipxpcJ
Really, D.R.. You're never going to regain the naive gullibility you once enjoyed. Not after years and years of researching Eckankar and whistleblowing. Do you really care about "the innocents" or do you just want (someone) to shed a tear with you over your lost virginity?
What kind of communication is that?
Shrink talk?
Truth to self pity?
Nah. It's plain ol' judgemental horseshit being projected onto another by a self-ordained know-it-all who fraudulently believes and imagines he can peer into the being of others and nail them to a pseudo cross. reminds of kinpoop actually.
:-)
Well, there's certainly a lot of imagination at work when there's no other way to sustain daily outrage over reality and truth.
Henosis Sage
2021-06-18 01:38:28 UTC
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Nowadays people can gather round at Eckankar functions and talk about Paul Twitchell and Eckankar's many plagiarisms / made up fictions? And do it informally too? Members and not members can freely talk about it and what it means when fact and fiction get confused.
No?
Criminals and the mentally ill - one could argue - use fiction more truer than actual historical fact to justify their illegal / harmful actions. How long before the fictional Vardankar Rebazar Tarzs battles the fictional Eckankar Rebazar Tarzs in the minds of so many innocent members; for stability sake looking desperately for the truth?
Just imagine it and they will come? Imaginary characters by the droves? And how does this go over on the mentally disabled, mentally ill, users of drugs or schizophrenics? Do Eckankar and the other groups take these things into account? Or do they hide behind "freedom of religion" and / or "religious protections" to keep them free from litigation?
Personally I think a little grounding in actual factual historical provable beyond a doubt truth can go a long way toward arresting the circus clowns parading around as teachers and masters who boohoo truth and facts to the point of elevating fictional pseudo history and religion. How many people are locked up already for becoming ungrounded and acting out on some imaginary belief? Harold Klemp admitted he was wrong for jumping into the freezing cold river, or disrobing in a public airport. So why can't others admit when they are wrong for negative imaginations that aim to harm and disrupt?
Rebazar Tarzs is real because some claim to have met him in the flesh? Well, let those same claimants come here and look at the reams of made up stories and plagiarized / copied texts assigned to this supposedly real Rebazar Tarzs. Let them ask their real Tarzs' to FIX THE MESS he made. Oh, but in reality that wasn't any 500+-year-old Tibetan Lama who done those things. It was actually Paul Twitchell and Eckankar, who only claim that it was Rebazar Tarzs.
Biography of Rebazar Tarzs
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.religion.eckankar/c/e9IFSzWcKAU/m/55WQqQEuAwAJ
Rebazar talks... Rebazar was referring ...the dialogue between Rebazar Tarzs and Paul ... Rebazar outlines, etc.
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.religion.eckankar/c/KVOiP_ApFwM/m/pzuLqkipxpcJ
Really, D.R.. You're never going to regain the naive gullibility you once enjoyed. Not after years and years of researching Eckankar and whistleblowing. Do you really care about "the innocents" or do you just want (someone) to shed a tear with you over your lost virginity?
What kind of communication is that?
Shrink talk?
Truth to self pity?
Nah. It's plain ol' judgemental horseshit being projected onto another by a self-ordained know-it-all who fraudulently believes and imagines he can peer into the being of others and nail them to a pseudo cross. reminds of kinpoop actually.
:-)
Well, there's certainly a lot of imagination at work when there's no other way to sustain daily outrage over reality and truth.
Pot Kettle Black (shrug)

Your bad habits and imaginations and related bs are your own. (shrug)

It's plain ol' judgemental horseshit being projected onto another by a self-ordained know-it-all who fraudulently believes and imagines he can peer into the being of others and nail them to a pseudo cross.

Keep going round and round in circles repeating the same old crap the rest of your life if it makes you so happy and content.

There are none so blind as those who cannot see or who do but deny what they are doing.

Great Minds Discuss Ideas. Average Minds Discuss Events. Small Minds Discuss People.

Disturbed Minds also discuss disordered psychological diagnoses. such as kinpoop, JR, and fife.

with a huge shrug .. knock yourself out knucklehead. ROFL
Henosis Sage
2021-06-18 07:05:47 UTC
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Nowadays people can gather round at Eckankar functions and talk about Paul Twitchell and Eckankar's many plagiarisms / made up fictions? And do it informally too? Members and not members can freely talk about it and what it means when fact and fiction get confused.
No?
Criminals and the mentally ill - one could argue - use fiction more truer than actual historical fact to justify their illegal / harmful actions. How long before the fictional Vardankar Rebazar Tarzs battles the fictional Eckankar Rebazar Tarzs in the minds of so many innocent members; for stability sake looking desperately for the truth?
Just imagine it and they will come? Imaginary characters by the droves? And how does this go over on the mentally disabled, mentally ill, users of drugs or schizophrenics? Do Eckankar and the other groups take these things into account? Or do they hide behind "freedom of religion" and / or "religious protections" to keep them free from litigation?
Personally I think a little grounding in actual factual historical provable beyond a doubt truth can go a long way toward arresting the circus clowns parading around as teachers and masters who boohoo truth and facts to the point of elevating fictional pseudo history and religion. How many people are locked up already for becoming ungrounded and acting out on some imaginary belief? Harold Klemp admitted he was wrong for jumping into the freezing cold river, or disrobing in a public airport. So why can't others admit when they are wrong for negative imaginations that aim to harm and disrupt?
Rebazar Tarzs is real because some claim to have met him in the flesh? Well, let those same claimants come here and look at the reams of made up stories and plagiarized / copied texts assigned to this supposedly real Rebazar Tarzs. Let them ask their real Tarzs' to FIX THE MESS he made. Oh, but in reality that wasn't any 500+-year-old Tibetan Lama who done those things. It was actually Paul Twitchell and Eckankar, who only claim that it was Rebazar Tarzs.
Biography of Rebazar Tarzs
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.religion.eckankar/c/e9IFSzWcKAU/m/55WQqQEuAwAJ
Rebazar talks... Rebazar was referring ...the dialogue between Rebazar Tarzs and Paul ... Rebazar outlines, etc.
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.religion.eckankar/c/KVOiP_ApFwM/m/pzuLqkipxpcJ
Really, D.R.. You're never going to regain the naive gullibility you once enjoyed. Not after years and years of researching Eckankar and whistleblowing. Do you really care about "the innocents" or do you just want (someone) to shed a tear with you over your lost virginity?
What kind of communication is that?
Shrink talk?
Truth to self pity?
Nah. It's plain ol' judgemental horseshit being projected onto another by a self-ordained know-it-all who fraudulently believes and imagines he can peer into the being of others and nail them to a pseudo cross. reminds of kinpoop actually.
:-)
Well, there's certainly a lot of imagination at work when there's no other way to sustain daily outrage over reality and truth.
I'd better tone it down. (sigh)

making it personal, pointing fingers, fictional strawmen, or throwing adhom is not necessary. some good tips on the other thread.
Great Minds Discuss Ideas. Average Minds Discuss Events. Small Minds Discuss People.
not a bad aim / ideal.

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